Are thes bow perch frames safe ??

[Ellis]

Been slowly acquiring falconry gear for last few months, my mate made these perches for me, however i am concerned that the height of the cross bar probably makes them unsafe.They are about 4 inches off the floor. If they are unsafe....... if he welded a further bar preventing any access under the present cross member do you feel they would then be fine ?? Sorry if its a daft ? but would rather ask:?:

[Tarqers]

i believe a good bow ,should bow instantly from the ground,ie the ring should be forced to travel the bow from right to left if the bird bates left,both yours have a flat spot which will probably snag the ring enough to stop the afor mentioned travel, i would prefere the one on the right without the flat vertical section,good luck,,,tarqs

[Bowman]

One on left looks ok however:- my FHH can drag a mobile bow perch weighing 20lbs plus, yours dont look that heavy!!! so caution if leaving unatended.
Been trying to send you private mail so far unsucsesfull, new to this internet thingy magicy stuff so bear with me please.

[Hawkmaster]

No:!:

[Tim Laycock]

I realy hate to be the bearer of bad news but feel I must tell you that both of the perches are absolutley useless!
I cannot stress this enough!
To use either is to cause injury or feather damage to your bird!

Please, if you do anything.
Do not use either of these perches
I beg you.

[Ellis]

Ok thanks Blackbird ...... dont worry can take advice, ill splash out the cash and buy one of them gleaming ones with the black dimples. I thought there would be problems with them but just decided to check:cry:

[Tim Laycock]

I hope this is clear

Please throw the second perch away it is next to useless!

Take the first perch and modify it as shown below

1) cut and remove the bow at points A
2) cut and remove the crossmember at points B
3)Cut and remove parts marked as C from the perch feet and discard them!
4) Weld the crossmember between the perch feet forming a H shape
5) attatch and weld the bow, complete with the ring refitted to the perch feet in line with the crossmember.

If this is clear and you interpret it correctly you will then have an exellent and highly versatile, safe perch :D

If it is not clear please contact me and I will try to iron it out for you.:wink:

[Tim Laycock]

Ok thanks Blackbird ...... dont worry can take advice, ill splash out the cash and buy one of them gleaming ones with the black dimples. I thought there would be problems with them but just decided to check:cry:

Ellis, for pittys sake dont throw your money away, just tweak it as shown it wil be fine then once padded:supz:

[Ellis]

Yes its clear thanks, i'll have to build up the courage to ask him again. There was no charge just a favour. I gave hime some pics of perches from the net but he did something simular but not exact. I relize now what aspects of the design i should have emphasised. Shows how useful this site is.Thanks for your time.

[Tim Laycock]

No worries M8 glad to have helped:supz:

Its made my night:D

[Falconry Equipment International]

well done Tim, I knew this needed replying to ( just didn't have the time yesterday), your answewrs were perfect ATB J:supz: :supz: :wink:

[Ellis]

guy who made the perches modified it for me, however i should have given him "the" diagram rather than told him verbally, as he's stilled used a bit of poetic license, although he lowered the crossbar he didnt place it at base its 6cm off floor, i not sure if the arc is starting a little late also,( im a bit gutted really) :(

I think the low bow perch is fine, am i correct

feed back apprecated.... thanks

[Barbary Boy]

No worries M8 glad to have helped:supz:

Its made my night:D
just out of interest do you ever use a screen perch? bb?

[Tim Laycock]

Ellis, If Im honest the bows could still do with being a little more shallow, however they are a 1000% improvement :supz:

Good one m8 (I have seen supposed "top men" with birds on worse :wink:)

p.s your signature is mint! :lol:

BB, I would only use a screen with a parent reared Goshawk or Spar

In the past I have seen winnowing longwings in flying condition end up with square wings if left on a screen :shock:
Never yet had the misfortune to see a hawk hanging on the screen in the morning but there is time yet

[Ellis]

ok BlackBird thanks ...... thought they were better but not as i wanted them:-|

[Fawkes]

BB, you seem to have some perch know-how.. how heavy does a portable bow need to be (for, say, a RT)? What would you suggest for feet?

(sorry for stealing your thread Ellis)

[Tim Laycock]

I usualy apply the rule of between twice and three times the weight of the bird, design of the perch feet has a lot to do with how easily it is dragged

For perch coverings I like the perch to be bound with rope and then skinned in kangeroo hide
For a RT I would say the padded area should be between 2 and 3 inch diamiter

I will post some of the bows I make when I find the pics

[Tim Laycock]

For a female Spar
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/Accipitrine/lea171105003.jpg

For a tiercel Gos
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/Accipitrine/joshandperch004.jpg

[Hawkmaster]

BB why the bits in the corners of the lower bow mate?:D

[Tim Laycock]

Paul, It started as a way of rectifying a dropped bollock!
The flat bar section was too short and the ring dropped over the end and became stuck:oops:

Its now become a bit of a signature on my stainless perches and the past three or four have been made like the picture with the inserted pieces an a more shallow angle to stop the ring dropping right to the floor.
It seems to work well:lol:

Cant make em fast enough:supz:

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/Accipitrine/ring.jpg

[Hawkmaster]

Stainless? Very nice! It makes more sense now though why you put them there good idea.

[Tim Laycock]

316 stainless steel, fully Tig welded construction padded with rope and Kangeroo but Im currently experimenting with rubber solutions that are painted onto waggon rope padding:supz:

Its interesting and I have been known to fly out of my garage on an evening (Snif, Snif:lol:)

[Fawkes]

Very nice BB! I've seen the corners used on other perches to get the rings to slide over easier. I dont suppose you sell them?

[Tim Laycock]

I've replied to this before:lol:
Yes, I do sell them:D

[Fawkes]

I know you have ;)
You even told me how much you charge.
Must have gotten lost in the move on Sunday.

[Fawkes]

BB, how big are the rings you use on your bows?

[Matthew Symons]

look at this bow perch i found on ebay now these dont look good to me !
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Bow-Perch_W0QQitemZ7231960942QQcategoryZ90871QQssPageN ameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Dave G]

look at this bow perch i found on ebay now these dont look got me !
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Bow-Perch_W0QQitemZ7231960942QQcategoryZ90871QQssPageN ameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
very poor bow perch :(

[Sean]

ellis what length are the feet, just wondering cos if they are too short the leash can trap under it. BB what price is your bows

[Tim Laycock]

ellis what length are the feet, just wondering cos if they are too short the leash can trap under it. BB what price is your bows

£40+p&p

Cant make any more for a while, mowed out with orders :oops: :supz:

[Sean]

would u have some by the fair?

[Tim Laycock]

Thats when Im aiming to have the orders done by.

Would have to be after that m8.

Its going to be tight as it is

[Sean]

ahh, was hoping to save a bit on p and p by getting a bow at the fair u c. but if u do manage to catch up on orders, let me know please, if not, it aint a problem

[Tim Laycock]

Will do m8 :yawinkle:

[Fawkes]

BB, how thick is diameter of the stainless tubing you used on the Tiercel gos perch? Would that be suitable for a male RT?

[Tim Laycock]

12mm (1/2") solid bar

Would be fine for a male red