black eagle?

[NGuruve]

this is just a out of curiosity does anyone fly a black eagle in england they look pretty formidable and there natural prey is the hyrax which is aroung bunny size but have heard that they have occasionally takes small antelope how do they compare to the goldern eagle cheers :supz:

look at those feet

[NGuruve]

some more piccis

[AndyYounger]

Miike at icarus falconry flies one. i should have some pics somewhere

[AndyYounger]

one i found

[StormRider]

That is one beautiful bird. So how much does one of those cost then?
STU

[OutFlying]

Will post on how it flies on Wednesday, weather permitting.

OF.

[Moses]

their awesome birds, main eagle in pakistan and asia

used to seem them flying all the time, when i was 16 when i was at hols in pakistan i saw a shot one, the ******* nailed it on a tree, a farmer, all so he can boast about it

[EagleMan]

since i know, it was succesfully used in hare hawking . and black eagles are somehaw inferior to golden eagles.
first- an golden's weight slightly surpass the verreaux eagle
second- golden ussualy posses larger talons and stronger grip than the black eagle, in africa black eagle is usualy bullied by the larger and more fierce martial eagle, in similar habitat the martial eagle is the dominant one !

[Moses]

since i know, it was succesfully used in hare hawking . and black eagles are somehaw inferior to golden eagles.
first- an golden's weight slightly surpass the verreaux eagle
second- golden ussualy posses larger talons and stronger grip than the black eagle, in africa black eagle is usualy bullied by the larger and more fierce martial eagle, in similar habitat the martial eagle is the dominant one !


golden eagle is the king of eagles, they dont just call it king for nothing :D

but will luv to see a showdown with a martial, martial seems the maniac of the eagle world a guerilla warrior

looks mental as well and awesome

[NGuruve]

yep ive heard it is inferiour to the goldern but certianly is powerful enough to take hare well i held a female in zimabwe last year and she was huge but think they they would be cool to fly as you could probably fly two at a time as pairs in the wild hunt together

[Moses]

yep ive heard it is inferiour to the goldern but certianly is powerful enough to take hare well i held a female in zimabwe last year and she was huge but think they they would be cool to fly as you could probably fly two at a time as pairs in the wild hunt together


mate if u ever go and stay in pakistan, pay someone 50 to a 100 quid to trap it for ya :D theirs no law, u can them tame it and hunt wae it

[NGuruve]

golden eagle is the king of eagles, they dont just call it king for nothing :D

but will luv to see a showdown with a martial, martial seems the maniac of the eagle world a guerilla warrior

looks mental as well and awesome

i would definatly go for the crowned over all of thenm but between the goldern and martial i would have to go for the martial but a it would be very close il post some pics of martials taking antelope later on

[Moses]

i would definatly go for the crowned over all of thenm but between the goldern and martial i would have to go for the martial but a it would be very close il post some pics of martials taking antelope later on


mate, truly they look spectacular dont they :), very nice those martial eagles

i had a pic once of it taking on a wild boar and trying to get the piglet

would have been cool

[NGuruve]

here are a few pictures

[NGuruve]

few more

[EagleMan]

golden eagle is the king of eagles, they dont just call it king for nothing :D

but will luv to see a showdown with a martial, martial seems the maniac of the eagle world a guerilla warrior

looks mental as well and awesome
well, man, the goldie is far from the title of king of the eagles.
go and check the thread of "the most powerful eagle"
the goldie is surpass by at least four other eagle species.
for example the crowned has similar weight and body lenght as goldie but is much much powerful, not to mention handsome.

[EagleMan]

im curious too, who is most formidable an goldie or an martial. all my money go to martial. i asked before if someone fly those two specie and i ddidn't receive any answer, i thik in your england some people fly these eagles and they could say who is more formidable....

[EagleMan]

don't get me wrong , golden eagle is a favourite bird of mine too, it's a great bird and properly trained she could dispatch a wolf , but is far behind other eagles....
golden eagles are the mighty eagles in europe and north america , but their superiority ends only on these continents.

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Youll find most UK falconers find it a pointless question. Due to terrain, rearing, quary etc etc. Biggest aint always best, unless its the ego trip thing. Oh and can we get back to "BLACK EAGLES" thats what this thread is meant to be about.

[EagleMan]

Youll find most UK falconers find it a pointless question. Due to terrain, rearing, quary etc etc. Biggest aint always best, unless its the ego trip thing.
a pointless question ? why? and biggest is most of the time the best, in this case go and hunt hares with sparrow hawk ,and even a saker cant subbmit an 6 kilo hare.... what it have to de with ego? be more explicite please ?

[EagleMan]

only in sone cases the birds temperament and behavior surpass their size....

[EagleMan]

and yes , in some eagle species size was not developed for bigger prey or combat with an aggresive quary.
for example an imperial eagle is far larger than an bonneli, or an ornate eagle or a mountain hawk eagle, but the imperiale agle doesn't dream to hunt the prey of those eagles.

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

We dont have any viable game that requires anything bigger than a golden. We dont have a captive bred population of Martials. There fore we dont have a domestic need for bigger and stronger. This seams to be a continental preocupation.

[Zam]

Youll find most UK falconers find it a pointless question. Due to terrain, rearing, quary etc etc. Biggest aint always best, unless its the ego trip thing. Oh and can we get back to "BLACK EAGLES" thats what this thread is meant to be about.

Have to agree with k! Not too many wild antelope in the UK:lol:

I can't really see a Martial fulfilling its potential in this country. I've seen a couple of Martials in static displays. I've heard of one being shot in Kent after it escaped - don't know how true that is though! Stunning bird - but is it the right bird for falconry in the UK?

Does anyone successfully hunt with a Black eagle in the UK? I wonder if it would be as agile as a Golden - unless you flew if from the top of a mountain? Wasn't someone in Scotland flying one?

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Yes Barry was flying one for ten years. She has died in the last week, so hes gutted. I dont think he will realy feel like answering questions at the mo. I know of one other sat twiddling its toes, but it has been hunted in the past.

[EagleMan]

We dont have any viable game that requires anything bigger than a golden. We dont have a captive bred population of Martials. There fore we dont have a domestic need for bigger and stronger. This seams to be a continental preocupation.
thanks man! in England do you fly goldie's at foxes and deers?

[EagleMan]

Have to agree with k! Not too many wild antelope in the UK:lol:

I can't really see a Martial fulfilling its potential in this country. I've seen a couple of Martials in static displays. I've heard of one being shot in Kent after it escaped - don't know how true that is though! Stunning bird - but is it the right bird for falconry in the UK?

Does anyone successfully hunt with a Black eagle in the UK? I wonder if it would be as agile as a Golden - unless you flew if from the top of a mountain? Wasn't someone in Scotland flying one?
shot an martial eagle brought in england with many costs i guess ? man we should kill that idiot hunter!

[EagleMan]

not killed, but tortured for mounths:supz: :supz: :supz:

[Osiris]

Gorgeous birds the Verreaux's (black) Eagle. I've never flown/hunted with one, but had the pleasure of holding, weighing etc. Cracking birds. Would love to go out hunting with one.
I saw a documentary regarding a breeding pair somewhere on t.v. a while back trying to introduce the pair to each other. Female would have nothing to do with male to begin with but given time she came around and bred successfully.

5 stars for starting this thread m8y!! lol
:-D

[MikeGyr]

loved black eagles ever sinse i started first one i saw was at mimas place on a bow looked awsome:supz:

[NGuruve]

yep i think that they are brilliant and in the top few most powrful eagles in africa and im sure that they are very agile
they hunt hyrax's they are very fast and hard to catch because there is soo many places to hide

[Afshimo]

Thats the bird I'll get lol. Black eagle's are great, the verraux I mean.

Still prefer them over godlie, my second fav is the harpy then crowned then ornate but I doubt I'll ever get the above so black eagle, who knows, maybe one day I'll get hunting with one.

I have got a pic but cant put it up. Paintshoppro is gone...grr :evil: so I'll try an finure out sum way. Its jemima's black eagle, she's gorgouse (might be male though :oops:)

But yeah, black eagle rock!

[Stanley]

what about this bird isnt beautiful.

[NGuruve]

wow exellent picture of the bonelli's yes for sure i love them to bits as a falconry bird they have to be up there with the best i cant seem to find any good pictures of them so could u post some more if you guys have any cheers guys

[FalconryMews101]

Do we have any breeders of Verraux eagles in this country? i think mid wales falconry have one flying and im pretty sure Welsh mountain zoo have a pair in a big aviary. On the subject of Martial eagles they have one on display at Gauntlet bird of prey centre near me, not seen it flown though.

[NGuruve]

these people breed all sorts www.falconiformes.nl

sorry i now they arent english

[MikeGyr]

national bird of prey centre does i think

[NGuruve]

how much do they go for roughly then do people think

[FalconryMews101]

I wouldnt think there cheaper than 5 grand, i will get in touch with the NBPC but i have a feelin Jemima has taken them with her.

[NGuruve]

ok cool would imagine there much the same price as a goldie

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

how much do they go for roughly then do people think
Between 5K and 7 1/2 K.

[Barry]

NGuruve,

Those pictures you poste of the Black Eagles, where did you get the last one? The close up head/neck shot showing a slightly over thick beak?

Barry.

[EagleMan]

what about this bird isnt beautiful.
more than beutiful, bonelli's are from my favourites eagles, is tht your bird?

[NGuruve]

NGuruve,

Those pictures you poste of the Black Eagles, where did you get the last one? The close up head/neck shot showing a slightly over thick beak?

Barry.

hey there barry i got the pic from the dullstroom bop centre website at www.birdsofprey.co.za

[NGuruve]

and please post more good pics of the bonelli's if you could cheers

there absolutly awsume:supz:

[ChakChek]

hey there barry i got the pic from the dullstroom bop centre website at www.birdsofprey.co.za

thats tehe place i was going to go and work at for a year next year isnt it zane?

my ma knows the owners sister and he said i can go over any time i want. :D

[NGuruve]

thats tehe place i was going to go and work at for a year next year isnt it zane?

my ma knows the owners sister and he said i can go over any time i want. :D

yep sure is

you want zane to go aswell:yawinkle: haha

looks a great place

[NGuruve]

howz this picture of a imature bonelli's eagle

[HawkEagle]

Oh, my word, I just had an offer of a strange eagle last week. I turned it down couse I thought it was a Tawny eagle still the plumage didn't quite fit the tawny but looking at the pic above they are similar. Must get back to the guy, it must be the bonelli's eagle.

[NGuruve]

Oh, my word, I just had an offer of a strange eagle last week. I turned it down couse I thought it was a Tawny eagle still the plumage didn't quite fit the tawny but looking at the pic above they are similar. Must get back to the guy, it must be the bonelli's eagle.

haha awwww good luck man hope it is bonell's that would be amazing

[HawkEagle]

Got the Bonelli's eagle finally. The bird is quite trashed cause it was kept in a small wire mesh enclosure by it's previous owner. It'll take quite a while to heal. Now if you ask me between Bonelli's eagle and mountain he which is more powerful, I can say mountain he is much more powerful. Bonelli's poses larger feet span but not as crushing as mountain he whose poses much thicker tarsus. Bonelli's eagle tarsus are very long and slim.

[Stanley]

hi could you please tell where you got the bonelli's need a male

[NGuruve]

wow lovley bird there and wow lucky man hawkeagle

realy like the shot ofthe feet

[Juzzer]

nice set of feet there m8 and a lovely bird she is too:heart:

[NGuruve]

what do you hunt with your bonelli's stanley she lookes awsume

[HawkEagle]

Is this bird bonelli's eagle? It's a bit trashed by it's previous owner. It'll take quite a while to heal properly.

[HawkEagle]

Another one.

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Yes in Juvenile plumage.

[Stanley]

where did you got it from

[NGuruve]

wow cool yo have a bonelli's in bad shape though are you gunna hunt with it once it has recovered

[EagleMan]

hi stanley, those pics are from your bird? i's a male or a female ? anyway great talons!

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Dont you think its a female? Especially when hes asking for a male! Read the posts dont just look at the pictures!

[NGuruve]

Dont you think its a female? Especially when hes asking for a male! Read the posts dont just look at the pictures!
he was just asking we all make mistakes

[EagleMan]

hawk eagle, yes it's a bonelli but in pretty bad shape, could have internal parasites too, i bet you don't know if the last owner feed the poor bird with a quality food.
pls. go and check a vet for a general investigation of the eagle
i don't want to sound like an authority or something but is better for the bird if a vet look at her.

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

he was just asking we all make mistakes
Annoying when you know people are just looking at the pictures! But sound advice afterwards. But there again how many birds are 100% parasite free.

[NGuruve]

Annoying when you know people are just looking at the pictures! But sound advice afterwards. But there again how many birds are 100% parasite free.
hehe yer i know but we dont need peps to get offended for no reason

[NGuruve]

could someone please tell me exactly what are the similaires or diffrences between the african hawk eagle and the bonelli's because i am always told that they are baisically the same species
i know that afhe is smaller and they look slightly diffrent and obviously there range but are there any other reasons

[MattSpar]

could someone please tell me exactly what are the similaires or diffrences between the african hawk eagle and the bonelli's because i am always told that they are baisically the same species
i know that afhe is smaller and they look slightly diffrent and obviously there range but are there any other reasons

I believe the African speaks Swahili.

[NGuruve]

I believe the African speaks Swahili.
haha yer thats probably all thats betwwen them

[EagleMan]

Dont you think its a female? Especially when hes asking for a male! Read the posts dont just look at the pictures!
what is your problem? it was just a question ! i read the text too, if you'r upset for any particular reason don't blame me.
and by the way those pics are great, no offence !:grin:

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

No problem but it says Female.

[Stanley]

i think that the difference between them is that the bonellis is a bigger bird and hunts more birds than mammals and i think she hunts more on the air, and i think they are quicker than the African one.

[NGuruve]

ok cheers stanley

[EagleMan]

i think that the difference between them is that the bonellis is a bigger bird and hunts more birds than mammals and i think she hunts more on the air, and i think they are quicker than the African one.
well friends, here it's a big paradox, while bonelli's eagle are bigger and more powrful than
african hawk eagle, all authors depicts that african hawk eagle hunts bigger prey and is more quick on the wing.

[EagleMan]

i don't know how much truth is in this fact, these are old studies, actually nobody these days tryed to study in depht those two species, by the fact bonelli and african hawk eagle where considered a single species for many years, after this period they where considered subspecies and today these two eagles are classyfied as differet species
even so is hard to belive that african hawk eagle kill larger prey than bonelli's , quicker on the wing yes, being little smaller

[EagleMan]

their wingspan proportions are different too,
bonelli;s has larger wing proportion than ahe.
ahe is more like an gos, with shorter wings and slighty longer tail

[NGuruve]

yer that pretty much what i heard eagleman dunno really another unsolved mistery i would like to find out about

[HawkEagle]

Actualy, when I first saw this bird it was in great condition but I turned it down cause I thought it was a tawny eagle. Then this thread comes up and there was a pic of juv bonelli's eagle and it was pretty similar to what I saw so I went back to get the bird 2 weeks after I saw it first time but it was left too long and it was kept in a small wire mesh enclosure. It'll take sometime to heal.

[NGuruve]

hehe cool hope it gets better soon glad i posted that pic now

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Once its moulted post some pictures please.

[GM090158]

how much do they go for roughly then do people think

A mate who has one paid 6k for guarenteed parent reared

[HawkEagle]

Thanks Nguruve, the pic really means a lot to me, saving me from miss the boat.:supz: I'll post her pic as her healing progresses. Still gutted that I did not have the pic earlier.:lol:

[NGuruve]

hehe thats cool hawkeagle lucky find anyways yer that would be great if you post pictures of her healed