Security

[CooperMan]

Kanati's thread http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=10723 raises a very good question of just how safe your bird is, there is nothing to stop some git from stealing your harris or owl cutting off the ring and reporting it found only to claim it because you cannot identify it conclusivly (however its spelt)
I must admit mine aren't but Kanati's post has made me wonder.
By the way my profile is wrong I live in Cornwall

[Juzzer]

yes i would have it done or should i say it SHOULD be done,i personally havnt tho:oops: so it is a bit hypicritical me posting this but there seems to be a lot of bird theft around especially non-indiginous birds as they dont require breeders rings put on there leg.

just my thoughts hth.

[Big Dazz]

i will be getting mine done

[Pitbull]

Its got me thinking, I got to see the vet tomorrow so will be asking then.
The only thing is if i get it done and I was too loose my good friend I would have to by a scanner. :rolleyes:

[Saker-Sucker]

Had all my birds chipped within a day of getting them; it will not stop anyone from nicking your bird BUT it will prove who it belongs to in the long run or if someone later makes out it was found and they were 'looking after it until............................'

[Sparrow Hawker]

Best thing is to avoid loose talk and be careful about what you put on forums!

HH

[CooperMan]

Best thing is to avoid loose talk and be careful about what you put on forums!

HH
Now he tells me. lol
PB most vets have scanners now I think and you could always give the locel dog warden a ring.
The worrying thing would be if you got a call about a big doggy with your micro chip no. why dig you get it implanted on its belly. oops

[CooperMan]

Who has voted 'No I wouldn't have one near my bird' do you know something we don't or did I just phrase the options wrong.

[Juzzer]

Best thing is to avoid loose talk and be careful about what you put on forums!

HH


v-good point.

[Flying High]

i am getting all of my birds done this year i just have to save up the money.

[Harrisii]

apparently all vets have them and all police cars now carry them, etc.
so yes, i spoke about this with my brother when we got our new birds and we both said we were going to do it. never got round to it yet, (shame on you harrisii). but yes. i should do it.

[Albie]

i am getting all of my birds done this year i just have to save up the money.
Now there's a thought,
Any idea about the cost please.. from those of you who have had your birds done.
Albie..

[Flying High]

your right, i think i am looking about £25 per bird (i think) but i would be interested to know what other people are having or have had paid

[CooperMan]

If you have got a few birds to do or you have some mates why not go on a course to find out about it. They do them for dogs and ferrets etc. I don't know if any are done for birds.
:idea: If I could sort something out would anybody be interested in coming up to learn how to do it. I would see if we could get a proper avian vet to run the course.

[Kanati]

Kanati's thread http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=10723 raises a very good question of just how safe your bird is, there is nothing to stop some git from stealing your harris or owl cutting off the ring and reporting it found only to claim it because you cannot identify it conclusivly (however its spelt)
I must admit mine aren't but Kanati's post has made me wonder.
By the way my profile is wrong I live in Cornwall


Just for the record...thats not what I have done :roll: ;) I found a bird with the equipment and ring already missing. should I call my lawyer ??? :yawinkle:

[ColdZero]

i had my bird micro chipped a few weeks after i got her. I think it was about £25-£30 and is very simple to do. It was put on a little bald patch in the side of the chest, but i have heard since its best to do it when the bird is at its peak in muscle mass? Anyone else heard this?

[Mary Quite Contrary]

if your bird has been done was it gassed for the fitting

[StansOwls]

i do Micro Chipping if it any help to any one

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

If you have got a few birds to do or you have some mates why not go on a course to find out about it. They do them for dogs and ferrets etc. I don't know if any are done for birds.
:idea: If I could sort something out would anybody be interested in coming up to learn how to do it. I would see if we could get a proper avian vet to run the course.
Very technically a bird should legally be anethatised for the implanting of a micro chip. Though a lot of vets dont take this step, to reduce risks. Thats why you havent seen a course being run.

[Sprout]

I'd shop around, we charge roughly £18 I think. I anaesthetise small birds for it but no need for larger birds (it isn't a legal requirement). In birds the chip is inserted between the 2 muscles over the sternum so it is slightly easier if the muscle mass is up (cats and dogs is just under the skin)

[StormRider]

I have all my birds microchipped and pay approx 30 quid. I have heard of another vet locally that charges only 10 quid and he uses the same manufacturer of chip. I will try him when I get my next bird in. Being an ex Police Officer who has dealt with a lot on wild life crime I would say that it is the only real sure way of getting your bird back (Apart from DNA) if it ever gets lost or stolen. I mean this in terms of identification. I have dealt with a lot in the past when a tow rag has obviously cut off a ring, etc. It is very difficult in the eyes of the law to prove identity of any animal under such circumstances.
i would be very interested in seeing if anyone has used DNA in the past and how much does it cost in terms of an initial sample and any subsequent identity sample? Without knowing the full processes I have heard that DNA processing is very stressful to the bird (As informed by a breeder), but I would stand be be discounted on this one. I have found that microchipping has been virtually stress free on my birds.
Just for the record, not all Police vehicles carry microchip readers. I believe that most vets do and some Police stations do. The cost to read a chip when a bird is found would normally be free.
LOVE AND PEACE:heart:
STU

[Sprout]

Anyone can apply to become an implanter - the microchip companies do run courses to teach how to do it.

[Cobra]

Who has voted 'No I wouldn't have one near my bird' do you know something we don't or did I just phrase the options wrong.

Me for one
Reasons? well I will tell you a couple or three (not trying to teach anyone to suck eggs but incase you don't know)
The chip is the same size for any animal, roughly the size of a grain of rice
Ok I guess in a rotty but a musket? no thanks!
if injected sub-cut (under the skin) it can be found and removed, not pleasant but the bird won't die. (probably)
If injected directly into the breast muscle, which seems favourite, it will cause a soft tissue reaction, localised swelling as the body defends itself against a "foreign body" which may or may not have a lasting effect.
(would you want something the size of an orange segment injected into your breast muscle for all eternity?) think of the relative sizes and the irritation a small thorn causes
last count there were 3 manufacturers and each reader will NOT read every transponder.
there are every limited numbers of the readers with the police forces I am reliably informed that there is only one in the whole of the Thames Valley region.
Thats my view and the reasons for not chipping my birds. But its a free world I will not try and persude anyone either way, takes ya' choice & pays ya' money.
Chris

[Sprout]

The chip is inert and doesn't cause any significant tissue reaction, nothing like a foreign body reaction. It is not easy to remove a chip even from a cat or dog where it is subcutaneous and can be palpated (I have had to do this in the past), I would say it is pretty much impossible to remove one from between the muscles of a raptor without anaesthetic and MAJOR surgery to find it. Whether the police have a scanner or not (they don't keep hold of lost/found birds anyway) it is your way to prove said bird is yours - you can request it be scanned to prove it is yours. The most modern readers will read other manufacturers chips.

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

I stand corrected Karl.

[Stewigan]

i had my fhh chipped soon as i got her, i think it cost about £20. ive heard since about data protection stopping you finding out if someone else has your cat dog or bird, has anyone else heard this?

[Saker-Sucker]

i had my fhh chipped soon as i got her, i think it cost about £20. ive heard since about data protection stopping you finding out if someone else has your cat dog or bird, has anyone else heard this?

Can't see that being the case; that is why the chip is done.

If someone takes a stolen pet to the vet and they 'routinely' check the chip. If the registration details, are not the the same as what is on screen then surely the vet, RSPCA:evil: or any authority with a scanner, should ask questions and if necessary, keep the animal until they have all the info. they need.
Any one can say that they bought the bird/animal and have posted off the registraion form but as the bird/animal should have been listed as lost or stolen, alarm bells should start ringing.

[Stewigan]

right clive there was a case a while back, where a couple had a cat stolen and were informed by another vet somewhere in the country that the cat had turned up but they couldnt tell them where because of data proection. believe me im not making this up, i agree its stupid but thats what i read im sure it was in the mail a while back now

[Saker-Sucker]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not doubting what you've read:goodman: but it goes to show that if that is the case, then the vet should have a responsibility to report the animal as stolen.
If one of my birds had been stolen and I was contacted by a vet, and told the same; I would then contact the police and let them deal with it. They have the powers to gain the infomation from the vets etc.:supz:

[StormRider]

This may have been the case regarding that particular vet. What it does show is that the vet is misinformed about the Data Protection Act. If the original owners were in possession of the registration certificate issued by the microchip company then they are entitled by law to have the information regarding the whereabouts of the cat divulged to them. Common sense dictates that by that time the cat would be in the possession of either the Police or a rehomer and would have been seized from the thief. The Data protection Act would not allow the Police to give out the details of the offender but would allow them to divulge the details of the rehomer,etc. Obviously only if the rehomer was willing to have his or her details given out.
Lets bare in mind the way in which the IBR works. I have had birds recovered under the scheme and Jullianna has had to arrange a 3rd party location in which to have the bird recovered. this is because the rehomer who may also be a falconer/breeder does not want his details divulged due to security reasons.
Regardless of the Data Protection Act, the microchip system allows the identification process to take place. The laws states that upon proof of ownership and capability to take care of the said pet then you have to be reunited. Its just down to arranging a suitable place to pick the pet up.
Simple as really.
LOVE AND PEACE :heart: I LURV U ALL GUYS I REALLY DO
STU

[Cobra]

The chip is inert and doesn't cause any significant tissue reaction, nothing like a foreign body reaction. It is not easy to remove a chip even from a cat or dog where it is subcutaneous and can be palpated (I have had to do this in the past), I would say it is pretty much impossible to remove one from between the muscles of a raptor without anaesthetic and MAJOR surgery to find it. Whether the police have a scanner or not (they don't keep hold of lost/found birds anyway) it is your way to prove said bird is yours - you can request it be scanned to prove it is yours. The most modern readers will read other manufacturers chips.

Hi Sprout
Most of the time a chip doesn't case any real lasting efefct, they are are also "friction coated" to supposedly stop them moving around.
I know several cases where they have moved mostly an inch or two sometimes a lot further
Sub cut ones are easy to remove it it has been done time and again especially on high value dogs
And granted to remove one from a breast muscle is a major op.
The veiws I expressed were in answer to Coopermans request for the "NO" voters to stand up and be counted.
Having worked with these "chips" for over 20 years I PERSONALLY would not put one near my bird(s) (dogs and larger animals? ....maybe) if others feel so inclined, to chip their birds then they must take the available information and make up their own minds.
Fair enough?
Chris

[AndyYounger]

I wouldnt be without it. i value my birds and if anybody were to steal them i would be on the hunt. microchipping is an easy and fast way. i dare say i would even buy a chip reader. all of my birds are done and it gives me good peace of mind.