wot bird????

[Peachey16]

hi all new today
ive been intrested in falconry scince i was neh high (bout 6) and have always like bop's now im 16 getting ready to leave school im thinking of getting a bop so i need some advice on where to start and wot bird i should look up on for begginers.
im in swindon wiltshire if anyone would be as kind to take me out for a day or two to learn the rope's please p.m me. :D

thanks in advance

lee :supz:

[Moses]

mate welcome

hopefully their maybe a member close to u, who can take u oot for a day or 2

[Peachey16]

thanks for the welcome.
:grin:

[Moses]

thanks for the welcome.
:grin:


mate if u can , try to get a haud of some nice falconry books

will give u a wee bit of knowledge of what u will need

these r 2 of my fave modern falconry titles plus jemima parry jones books as well

http://www.schwartzbooks.com/mas_assets/full/85/0713725885.jpg


http://www.borch.suite.dk/images/HawBeg.jpg

[Peachey16]

thanks alot will get these titles
:yawinkle:

[Peachey16]

does anyone no of any one in or clase to swindon

thanks lee:P

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Avoid Halgarth like the pleague, read his book (Amongst others) but avoid him like the pleague!

[Peachey16]

helgarth??:?:

[Jackson]

hi
depends what you want out of the bird???
i would personally start with a hh! i know most people are going to say thats boring or "what they all say!" but i think hh are a great way to start and will definately be my first bop! they, usually, work well with other hh so is great because you can learn the ropes along side others with their birds, if yours is ok with other hh that is (you may get the odd one that is antisocial shall we say)! also they are usually well tempered, friendly and medium sized! there are probably others that can and will be suggested! but i personally prefer the hh!
best of luck

[Finnish]

Hello and welcome to the forum. Give Chris S a pm. I'm sure he will take you out lives by you too...

Finnish

[Peachey16]

thanks for the advise guy i will probs get a hh in the future im still learning so not yet.

as for chris s i have p/m him twice but had no reply do you have his no.
or contact info :?:

thanks alot ppz

lee:supz:

[Peachey16]

thanks sharah will do.
as for giving shris a p/m i have twice but no responce anyone have a contact no.

thanks again

lee:supz:

[Peachey16]

oops dubble post

[Hawkmaster]

MOVED FROM GENERAL FALCONRY

[Peachey16]

if i get a young harris which is better male or female ive heard females are like female women (hormonal):)

[CJ#HaRrIs HAwKs RuLe#]

iv'e haerd this to when i did a falconry course in center parcs

In The wild fhh are bigger and more dominant. So are more likely to want to be dominant over you.

If you whant to catch larger stuff like hares and phesies a female is better as even though males will go 4 larger stuff they can't all ways kill it on there own!!

Males are supposed to me more "layed back" they will accept you as boss quicker.

ps. i don't have my own bird this is stuff iv'e been told or read!!

[NGuruve]

iv'e haerd this to when i did a falconry course in center parcs

In The wild fhh are bigger and more dominant. So are more likely to want to be dominant over you.

If you whant to catch larger stuff like hares and phesies a female is better as even though males will go 4 larger stuff they can't all ways kill it on there own!!

Males are supposed to me more "layed back" they will accept you as boss quicker.

ps. i don't have my own bird this is stuff iv'e been told or read!!


no you are right in saying that but i think both are good beginners birds as the weight control on a smaller male can be a little bit more tricky that the larger female

[Kornie]

Avoid Halgarth like the pleague, read his book (Amongst others) but avoid him like the pleague!

PMSL!!!!!

Read as much as you can to begin with and lookout for local falconers. Search out local clubs aswell.

[Jonathan Hall]

Now this should get some replies
I (personal view) think that a Harris is a bad choice as a first bird, they are so intelligent i dont think you learn enough from them. Thats fine if all you want to fly is a harris but everyone i know has had problems when moving on to a gos or falcon. I started with a common buzzard went on to a red tail and a ferrug followed by a saker and then a spar.
Im not bashing the harris as i like them even to the point of maybe flying a pack in displays could be quite a sight.
Anyway thats my two pennith worth whatever you get have fun
happy hawking
jon

[Jackson]

Now this should get some replies
I (personal view) think that a Harris is a bad choice as a first bird, they are so intelligent i dont think you learn enough from them. Thats fine if all you want to fly is a harris but everyone i know has had problems when moving on to a gos or falcon. I started with a common buzzard went on to a red tail and a ferrug followed by a saker and then a spar.
Im not bashing the harris as i like them even to the point of maybe flying a pack in displays could be quite a sight.
Anyway thats my two pennith worth whatever you get have fun
happy hawking
jon

fair point bout them!!! i think you can learn quite a bit form them but at the same time another bop may be more! but i think for people who have no experiance then they are better!!! i mean they can always get a common buzard after and move up form there! i think it depends what kinda person you are!! if you like jumping in the deep end, have loads of support around you and a pretty confident then go for something else!! But if you have no experiance and want an easy introduction then go for hh!! thats my personal opinion!!! but you have a fair point about them being to easy!!!

[Coedhirion]

Now this should get some replies
I (personal view) think that a Harris is a bad choice as a first bird, they are so intelligent i dont think you learn enough from them. Thats fine if all you want to fly is a harris but everyone i know has had problems when moving on to a gos or falcon. I started with a common buzzard went on to a red tail and a ferrug followed by a saker and then a spar.
Im not bashing the harris as i like them even to the point of maybe flying a pack in displays could be quite a sight.
Anyway thats my two pennith worth whatever you get have fun
happy hawking
jon

To put it bluntly...RATS. No one I know other than idiots had a problem changing from HH to Reds to Gos to Falcons and back to the versatile, all round HH. The HH will just put up with the not so ...errr..."full time" or "knowledgeable" owner for longer than the others before it b...rs off given half a chance...... Sorry :oops: but dont slag off HH, they are versatile and you get out what you put in and to fly properly are just as "difficult" as any bird. they will put as much in the freezer as a Gos and fly in all terrains and weather.

[Renton]

To put it bluntly...RATS. No one I know other than idiots had a problem changing from HH to Reds to Gos to Falcons and back to the versatile, all round HH. The HH will just put up with the not so ...errr..."full time" or "knowledgeable" owner for longer than the others before it b...rs off given half a chance...... Sorry :oops: but dont slag off HH, they are versatile and you get out what you put in and to fly properly are just as "difficult" as any bird. they will put as much in the freezer as a Gos and fly in all terrains and weather.


Too right!

[Berkut]

To put it bluntly...RATS. No one I know other than idiots had a problem changing from HH to Reds to Gos to Falcons and back to the versatile, all round HH. The HH will just put up with the not so ...errr..."full time" or "knowledgeable" owner for longer than the others before it b...rs off given half a chance...... Sorry :oops: but dont slag off HH, they are versatile and you get out what you put in and to fly properly are just as "difficult" as any bird. they will put as much in the freezer as a Gos and fly in all terrains and weather.
I am not slagging of harris hawks as they can put a lot in the freezer ,which is great if you like rabbit stew,however you will never be able to put your best harris hawk against your best gos and expect it to equal it in ability in catching quarry,especially feather.The gos wasn,t called "The Cooks Hawks" for nothing !!!!

[Peachey16]

thanks again for the advise guys.:supz:

[Coedhirion]

I am not slagging of harris hawks as they can put a lot in the freezer ,which is great if you like rabbit stew,however you will never be able to put your best harris hawk against your best gos and expect it to equal it in ability in catching quarry,especially feather.The gos wasn,t called "The Cooks Hawks" for nothing !!!!

Depends how much you love to eat crow pie!!!
Woodcock is caught by my MHH & Gos
Pheasant is caught by both
Hare also, but not often seen
Rabbit of course
The MHH has only had the odd crow I am glad to say as I hate them.
the Gos has had quite a lot plus the flees that go with them.

[Berkut]

Depends how much you love to eat crow pie!!!
Woodcock is caught by my MHH & Gos
Pheasant is caught by both
Hare also, but not often seen
Rabbit of course
The MHH has only had the odd crow I am glad to say as I hate them.
the Gos has had quite a lot plus the flees that go with them.
Yes harris hawks will take a variety of quarry, but not in the style of a gos.They will take pheasants, but when they do the pheasant must be at some disadvantage,whereas a good gos will fly them down over several hundred yards.The vast majority of harris hawking I have seen has been several people moving from rabbit warren to rabbit warren catching bolted rabbits. I am not slagging that off, it is just not for me. People do fly harris hawks well ,of that there is no doubt ,but you cannot even try and compare a harris to a good gos being flown in its native country.

[Coedhirion]

Yes harris hawks will take a variety of quarry, but not in the style of a gos.They will take pheasants, but when they do the pheasant must be at some disadvantage,whereas a good gos will fly them down over several hundred yards.The vast majority of harris hawking I have seen has been several people moving from rabbit warren to rabbit warren catching bolted rabbits. I am not slagging that off, it is just not for me. People do fly harris hawks well ,of that there is no doubt ,but you cannot even try and compare a harris to a good gos being flown in its native country.
Aren't Gos native to Wales then :confused: some one should tell the HH and Gos that, Yes they are different but recon "the vast majority of harris hawking" you have seen is may be the wrong people in the wrong place, to get a real idea of a good HH. Bolted rabbits from a warren can be flown down quicker with a good Gos, so stand well back!! Put the Hawk on the soar over open country and I prefer the HH the Gos tends to head for the trees.

[Berkut]

Aren't Gos native to Wales then :confused: some one should tell the HH and Gos that, Yes they are different but recon "the vast majority of harris hawking" you have seen is may be the wrong people in the wrong place, to get a real idea of a good HH. Bolted rabbits from a warren can be flown down quicker with a good Gos, so stand well back!! Put the Hawk on the soar over open country and I prefer the HH the Gos tends to head for the trees.
The last native gos to the UK ,prior to their re-introduction ,was shot in the late 1800s on Rothiemurcas Estate in Speyside, Scotland.
And yes the majority of harris hawks I have seen flown were probably being flown in the wrong place ,but not by me , although I did fly a couple a few years ago,caught a lot of game, but it just did not do it for me.
However seeing a gos at full tilt after a cock pheasant ,which is ultimately what gos flying is all about ,that is a different story.
If your gos headed for the trees,well I can,t explain that one.
All the best with your harris in any case.

[Coedhirion]

The last native gos to the UK ,prior to their re-introduction ,was shot in the late 1800s on Rothiemurcas Estate in Speyside, Scotland.
And yes the majority of harris hawks I have seen flown were probably being flown in the wrong place ,but not by me , although I did fly a couple a few years ago,caught a lot of game, but it just did not do it for me.
However seeing a gos at full tilt after a cock pheasant ,which is ultimately what gos flying is all about ,that is a different story.
If your gos headed for the trees,well I can,t explain that one.
All the best with your harris in any case.

Your Gos hunts off the soar a lot then?? just most of the Gos that I have been out with are either off the fist to give the rabbit a fighting chance, or much prefer woodland, or to sit up in a tree... admit a lot is the way they tend to be flown that makes them that way but a Gos is a more secretive bird by nature, tho even an imprint when first introduced to the side of a Welsh mountain appeared a bit 'gob smacked' and coudn't work out the gale hitting the hill. Tho the HH could have shown it if it wasnt back in its box to give the Gos the second part of the day.

[Barbary Boy]

Aren't Gos native to Wales then :confused: some one should tell the HH and Gos that, Yes they are different but recon "the vast majority of harris hawking" you have seen is may be the wrong people in the wrong place, to get a real idea of a good HH. Bolted rabbits from a warren can be flown down quicker with a good Gos, so stand well back!! Put the Hawk on the soar over open country and I prefer the HH the Gos tends to head for the trees.
do you allways fly your gos with its tail guard on? dosnt it restrict its manouverability?

[Berkut]

Your Gos hunts off the soar a lot then?? just most of the Gos that I have been out with are either off the fist to give the rabbit a fighting chance, or much prefer woodland, or to sit up in a tree... admit a lot is the way they tend to be flown that makes them that way but a Gos is a more secretive bird by nature, tho even an imprint when first introduced to the side of a Welsh mountain appeared a bit 'gob smacked' and coudn't work out the gale hitting the hill. Tho the HH could have shown it if it wasnt back in its box to give the Gos the second part of the day.
I don,t know if you are just looking for a disagreement.It certainly looks that way.Each to his own.I have not slagged off harris hawks.I would not attempt to slope soar a gos,it would not interest me.If I want that sort of flying I will fly one of my Goldies.
All I have done is state a fact " you cannot compare a harris hawk to a gos".
It would appear I have maybe hit a raw nerve.
I do think it would be great to see harris hawks flying in their native land.
Regards

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

This is an argument that has flaired on many a thread. When it comes down to it Harris people will defend the Harris to the death, likewise Gos people. All I would say is thank god there arent asmany well meaning weekend flyers out there with Gos as there are Harris'. Mind you the population would be abbundant.

[Coedhirion]

Point is they were slagging off HH and as I have flown both ...the slope soar on a Gos was a dig ...You Cant compare them.....exactly.. ...so how CAN you say one is better than another. Is his Goldie better than an Owl???
Depends...If the Goldie had to hunt at night etc. etc.
So just forget the ..'one is better than another'..it depends what you hunt, where you hunt, how often you hunt etc etc. Mice in the dark with no torch I recon a nice little Barn Owl :lol:

[Tim Laycock]

You cant compare a Harris hawk with a Goshawk because there is no comparison!

A Goshawk can fly down a pheasant in level flight and bind to it before the put it (Not on the rise)
A Harris hawk can mug pheasants on the rise, fall on them from trees or tag along to take them on the put in.
It holds no hope of overhauling them unless they are sick or wounded birds.

No comparison, they are a different species :rolleyes:

[Berkut]

You cant compare a Harris hawk with a Goshawk because there is no comparison!

A Goshawk can fly down a pheasant in level flight and bind to it before the put it (Not on the rise)
A Harris hawk can mug pheasants on the rise, fall on them from trees or tag along to take them on the put in.
It holds no hope of overhauling them unless they are sick or wounded birds.

No comparison, they are a different species :rolleyes:
Blackbird,
Thankyou.Exactly what I was trying to put across .

[Berkut]

Point is they were slagging off HH and as I have flown both ...the slope soar on a Gos was a dig ...You Cant compare them.....exactly.. ...so how CAN you say one is better than another. Is his Goldie better than an Owl???
Depends...If the Goldie had to hunt at night etc. etc.
So just forget the ..'one is better than another'..it depends what you hunt, where you hunt, how often you hunt etc etc. Mice in the dark with no torch I recon a nice little Barn Owl :lol:
When I say "I am not slagging harris hawks off",what part of that do find hard to understand? The problem is when you try and make constructive remarks about harris hawks people throw their rattle out the pram and get all defensive.At no point did I say a gos is better than a harris.It would be like me saying gosses are better than harris hawks at hunting in family groups from the top of cactus plants in Arizona.
I have flown harris hawks and goshawks,and there is a place for the harris hawk in falconry in the UK,but it happens not to be on my glove.

[Berkut]

To put it bluntly...RATS. No one I know other than idiots had a problem changing from HH to Reds to Gos to Falcons and back to the versatile, all round HH. The HH will just put up with the not so ...errr..."full time" or "knowledgeable" owner for longer than the others before it b...rs off given half a chance...... Sorry :oops: but dont slag off HH, they are versatile and you get out what you put in and to fly properly are just as "difficult" as any bird. they will put as much in the freezer as a Gos and fly in all terrains and weather.
????

[Falcon]

Hey Lee,
Didn't realise it was you who had emailed me the other week, did you try any of the contacts I gave you?
Sarah

[Peachey16]

hi sarah are you on about me?
i cant remember lol

to much :drinkers: