Ai

[PeelsBells]

I would love to progress to Ai in the near future as i think this is the way i would personly like to go. I can remeber some years back that some one was doing a course on this subject and it was over a two day period.
Is there anyone out there who is interested to set up a course for us who are willing to pay and gain experience from the vast knowledge which is on this site.
As the breeding season is coming near and i for one would love the chance to see this in real life.

[Sprout]

Ditto for me

[Tim Laycock]

Ditto for me

Ditto

[Flying High]

and me

[Barbary Boy]

FALCON MEWS ran a few ai courses a few years ago they were 1 day very reasonably priced and a lot of people learnt a great deal from them, sadly they no longer do them, its not acctually that hard to do and there is plenty of literature available explaining how. i personally think its made easier by the quality of your imprinting of the birds in the 1st place, birds imprinted by yourself on your self seeming to be much easier than other peoples hand me downs, so anyone interested seriously should be looking long term, i e buying youngsters to imprint themselves then putting in the time and waiting,, sometimes for several years before success can be expected. i went down the imprint route several years ago before finally giving up, it was just to labour intensive for me and my neighbours couldnt stand the noise?

[Hawkmaster]

I will also be up for the course!

[Hacker]

i wouldn`t mind an insight as well.

[Red-Devil]

me to

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

First piece of advice is dont as it is labour intensive and you have to be able to drop every thing! Second is unless you only have the one bird say like Blackbird here. Get your males first a year maybe two before females imprint them yourself fly, and generally live with them. Settle them and get them copulating with something, anything. Then move them to your hat or glove (Gosses). Second hand females are far easier to get to stand for you than males to produce semen. So buying selected females over a twelve month period once youve started to get some where with your males is viable. Buy this time you may be lucky and have viable semen. Dont forget that when yopu need semen you NEED semen, so for serious production you need around three males just for a start! OR start some type of co-operative with people around you (If you can). Then remember that theres always someone out there in the breeding freturnity that will not only pi** all over you but smile whilst he takes it.

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Khan tried spinning on my back today funny as **** he nearly took my bloody head off!

[MattSpar]

Well I'm not too old to learn. I'd be interested too.

[Kentish Falconry]

Hi All, I have been thinking about this one since it appeared on the Forum and I would be willing to give a one day Training course for Forum Members it would have to be limmited numbers as we are not geared up for courses but say 5 or 6 people who really want to learn and we could cope with that. We have certain birds here that wil carry on as normal no matter who is here but others will not respond while strangers are about so we would have to be careful of timing. Also we will only be Inseminating Falcons we do not breed Goshawks by AI so we can't help with this although in general the application is similar
Let me know if you are interested and we can sort something out
Terry:supz:

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Thats one hell of a good offer there Terrry. If it werent for my own birds Id be coming down to see what else I could learn.

[Peregrine1]

Hello
I don't mine anyone thats got a genuine interest interest in falcons and AI
popping in for a day or a few hours. I am a small back yard breeder with only a dozzen or so birds. A lot of the tasks are pretty mudane, food prep and a cleaning ect. And I am no rocket scientist, its no fancy set up, but depending
on the breeding cycle of the falcons there is semen collection which the sample's can be viewed under a mircoscope and insemination (not to sure how the falcons will take to be watched so viewing might be a bit limited.
Incubation which I am still learning, I don't think you ever Stop. Care and feeding of early chicks. And may be a young falcon or two, around being imprinted. So its nothing fancy but I dont mine a few visits throughout the season.
Regards
Colin

[MickeyDredd]

A very kind offer Falconquester and great pics :supz:

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

I geuss their Peregrines mate?

[Peregrine1]

Sorry I some times forget that not all see very young and just hatched
2 pics top bottom Peregrines middle "with shell" Perlin
Perlins tend to be ugly as young Chicks see below
Regards
Colin

[Biarmicus]

Sorry I some times forget that not all see very young and just hatched
2 pics top bottom Peregrines middle "with shell" Perlin
Perlins tend to be ugly as young Chicks see below
Regards
Colin

Hi,

In the above pictures of the Perlin and the Peregrine chicks, what material you are using for the bedding?

Thanks,

Brittney

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Its what the Peregrine fund call corn cob litter. Its like a type of cat litter.

[Biarmicus]

Thanks K,

It looked like some type of food pellet. (I don't mean as food for the falcons) :lol:


Brittney

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

I personally will not use it as I have a close friend who had a Saker nearly die buy injesting it. Each to their own though, and not meant as a knock!

[Biarmicus]

I personally will not use it as I have a close friend who had a Saker nearly die buy injesting it. Each to their own though, and not meant as a knock!

I'll remember that, though it will be many years before I consider breeding raptors.

What would you recommend as a good material to use instead?

Brittney

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Kitchen/Industrial paper towel, but remember too keep those legs tucked in. Otherwise they can splay dramatically.

[Biarmicus]

Kitchen/Industrial paper towel

Well, theres lots of that around and easy to get.

but remember too keep those legs tucked in. Otherwise they can splay dramatically

To keep the legs tucked in do you use the paper towel and bunch it up a bit or just put something underneath the paper towel? Sorry for the amount of questions.

Brittney

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Depending on the ammount of youngsters and how big the brooding tub. I make a sausage and put a ring around the inside edge of the tub if too big. If theres a few young together they tend too keep each other in good order. The trick is being vigulant. Though it isnt too hard to correct minor leg splaying.

[Peregrine1]

Hello its biogradable cat litter made from pine, used it for years natural disinfectant so no bad oudours mutes are obsorbed straight away chicks stays clean, stops legs splaying. It works out more expensive than (kitchen roll )paper but boy it is better I only use paper for a short time just to make sure chick is muting ok.
Regards
Colin

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Is it the type that expands when in contact with moisture?

[Biarmicus]

Depending on the ammount of youngsters and how big the brooding tub. I make a sausage and put a ring around the inside edge of the tub if too big. If theres a few young together they tend too keep each other in good order. The trick is being vigulant. Though it isnt too hard to correct minor leg splaying.

I really appreciate you and falconquester helping me out and answering my many questions. I will most certainly be referring back to this thread when I consider breeding raptors in the future.

I should probably get back to my school work (home-schooled). :shock: :D

Thanks again,

Brittney

[Peregrine1]

Yes it expands a little as it takes in moisture but stays quite solid. It comes into its own went imprinting, keeps the Mrs happy I also use on the floor in the mews. Used it for years with out a hitch with Perlins to Gyrs.
Regards
Colin

[Stratocaster]

nice one Col
lovely clean eyasses as usual, just one point about the "industrial paper
towel" K
some of it can contain bleach that can irritate navels on newly
hatched neonates so be careful what you use, we use a combination
the same as you do, its great for imprinting birds on as well.
Anyone wanting to take up Cols offer I suggest you hurry up,
you will learn more in a season than years on your own.
my premises are not open to non employees unfortunatly or the offer
would apply here too. I would be only to happy to offer advice to anyone
genuine no problem at all.
regards Mike

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Cheers for that one. Not had a problem as of yet, but I will keep that in mind.

[Peregrine1]

Hello Mike
You're right about the bleach in the paper , heard the horror stories also about pine wood shavings, I suppose if you find something that works for you, and stick to it. The only thing with paper its hard to keep chicks clean change the paper turn you're back they have ****ped and got plastered. I know even as little chicks they backup and try thier best bless em! Hows it going in bonnie Scotland? is this Bird flu going to affect us much do you think?
I know Peregrines are not a problem its just the hybrids do you think they will be a glut or will breeders breed to suit the " situation" if there is one?
Regards
Colin

[Stratocaster]

Hello Col
things are good up here thanks, I think most of the big breeders will
be responsable about the flu situation, breeding lots of falcons not suited
to this country is not in anyones interest, it would be a real shame if large
very specialised falcons flood the market,
really interesting thread, has any one taken you up on your offer?
Mike.

[PeregrinesUK]

Colin id love to attend if possible. Regards Mike

[Peregrine1]

yes had a few emails, and I will get to answer them all. The experts? reckon we will have bird flu here within 6 months according to news :o( can non members get read the posts?
Regards
Colin

[Peregrine1]

Hello Mike
You're more than welcome,
Regards
Colin

[Biarmicus]

can non members get read the posts?
Regards
Colin

I just signed out and went onto the forum as a guest and I could read the posts, so I guess guests (non-members) can read the posts. They cannot enter members profiles though.

Hope this helps,

Brittney

(Your offer sounds good and I would like to learn how breeding raptors through AI works but I haven't even got my first raptor yet and it will be a while before I attempt to breed raptors.)

[Barbary Boy]

Hello
I don't mine anyone thats got a genuine interest interest in falcons and AI
popping in for a day or a few hours. I am a small back yard breeder with only a dozzen or so birds. A lot of the tasks are pretty mudane, food prep and a cleaning ect. And I am no rocket scientist, its no fancy set up, but depending
on the breeding cycle of the falcons there is semen collection which the sample's can be viewed under a mircoscope and insemination (not to sure how the falcons will take to be watched so viewing might be a bit limited.
Incubation which I am still learning, I don't think you ever Stop. Care and feeding of early chicks. And may be a young falcon or two, around being imprinted. So its nothing fancy but I dont mine a few visits throughout the season.
Regards
Colin
whats the pellets the youngsters are sitting on m8?

[Barbary Boy]

Sorry I some times forget that not all see very young and just hatched
2 pics top bottom Peregrines middle "with shell" Perlin
Perlins tend to be ugly as young Chicks see below
Regards
Colin
they got enough rings on to grow up to be morris men m8

[UKJay74]

whats the pellets the youngsters are sitting on m8?
Hello its biogradable cat litter made from pine, used it for years natural disinfectant so no bad oudours mutes are obsorbed straight away chicks stays clean, stops legs splaying. It works out more expensive than (kitchen roll )paper but boy it is better I only use paper for a short time just to make sure chick is muting ok.
Regards
Colin

there you go bb

[Rocky]

Hi Colin,
Last time i came down i mentioned a interest in ai ing if its still ok would love to pop down when its ok to pick your brains and see first hand .
Cheers
Melvyn

[Barbary Boy]

there you go bb
sorry i jumped the gun b4 reading all the thread! i might give it a go, i use kitchen roll but that cat litter would be easy to make a hollow in to stop the splaying, i have used peices of plastic drainpipe lined with paper in the past to stop splaying, but now tend to make a "cup" from layers of kitchen roll changing it at every feed , its amazing how much roll you go through though. i allso have a large supply of old bathroom towels that i use, easy to make into a "cup" and easy to wash in the machine! thats why i smell like falcon pooh in the spring?

[Jack Merlin]

Hi Colin,
Last time i came down i mentioned a interest in ai ing if its still ok would love to pop down when its ok to pick your brains and see first hand .
Cheers
Melvyn

Melvyn,

You are using a photograph of mine as your avatar without permission. Not only is this is breach of copyright (intellectual theft), it is also rather impolite.

Please remove it. I think I already asked you to do this by private mail so I do not understand why you are still using it.

[BlackShaheen1]

Hi All, I have been thinking about this one since it appeared on the Forum and I would be willing to give a one day Training course for Forum Members it would have to be limmited numbers as we are not geared up for courses but say 5 or 6 people who really want to learn and we could cope with that. We have certain birds here that wil carry on as normal no matter who is here but others will not respond while strangers are about so we would have to be careful of timing. Also we will only be Inseminating Falcons we do not breed Goshawks by AI so we can't help with this although in general the application is similar
Let me know if you are interested and we can sort something out
Terry:supz:
hi terry i could do with picking your brain again .count me in if your thinking of haveing a course at yours .pm me with details . but keep simon away from me with that syringe you know what his eyesites like .cheers

[HawkMan69UK]

Hello
I don't mine anyone thats got a genuine interest interest in falcons and AI
popping in for a day or a few hours. I am a small back yard breeder with only a dozzen or so birds. A lot of the tasks are pretty mudane, food prep and a cleaning ect. And I am no rocket scientist, its no fancy set up, but depending
on the breeding cycle of the falcons there is semen collection which the sample's can be viewed under a mircoscope and insemination (not to sure how the falcons will take to be watched so viewing might be a bit limited.
Incubation which I am still learning, I don't think you ever Stop. Care and feeding of early chicks. And may be a young falcon or two, around being imprinted. So its nothing fancy but I dont mine a few visits throughout the season.
Regards
Colin....... ;) colin dont let anyone near my perlin;) :-D :-D

[Barbary Boy]

terry, you learnt from the falcon mews ai course didnt you? what did you think of it m8? me and a couple of m8s went on it and found it very impressive, peter gill and his partner richard hill really know their stuff dont they, do you do a lot of forced ai or is most of yours volentary? it is an extremely productive way of maximising fertiliyy/production i just didnt have the time with working shifts and everything, plus the noise when ive got close neighbours i just couldnt do it.could be interested in a refresher course though if you do one, its allways worth knowing how to do it just in case.

[Kentish Falconry]

terry, you learnt from the falcon mews ai course didnt you? what did you think of it m8? me and a couple of m8s went on it and found it very impressive, peter gill and his partner richard hill really know their stuff dont they, do you do a lot of forced ai or is most of yours volentary? it is an extremely productive way of maximising fertiliyy/production i just didnt have the time with working shifts and everything, plus the noise when ive got close neighbours i just couldnt do it.could be interested in a refresher course though if you do one, its allways worth knowing how to do it just in case.

Yes I did go on the Falcon Mews course I think it was 1995. Ian Garland was on the same course.
I found the course usefull but I have over the years adapted what I learnt there and now use slightly different methods and I am sure Peter has changed his methods slightly over the years.
We do both forced AI and volentary AI, I find that with most Peregrines it is far easier to get fertility through Forced AI although I do have Falcons that will stand but they just don't seem to suck the semen up as well as say a Saker so I still end up doing most by Forced AI.
I don't know which course you did at Peters the one I did was AI in the morning and Incubation in the afternoon, as Peter said at the time the afternoon was a waste of time for me as I had been incubating eggs since the 70's but it was interesting to see how someone else dealt with Incubation
So Yes it was worth going.
I know what you mean about noise and working when you are running an AI project you do need a lot of time at your disposal and having deaf neighbours helps as well but it is still possible to do it if you are dedicated and only work with Volentary birds as you can inseminate them at any time they will stand so you can inseminate in the morning and again in the evening this way you will get most eggs fertile.
Terry:supz:

[Hacker]

Terry,
When you looking at doing your intro m8, me and mark would`nt mind a look see!
Richard

[Peregrine1]

they got enough rings on to grow up to be morris men m8

Hey don't knock it it gets their hunting weight up :o)
No all it is is a defra male and female ring one which will be removed when sexed. And the same goes for the 2 raptor rescue rings from honey brook.
So they leave here one on each leg and registered to raptor rescue.
Sorry for late reply its easy to miss posts. AND yes melvin drop in anytime no probs.
Regards
Colin

[Rocky]

Thanks Colin
Happy Breeding
Melvyn

[Kentish Falconry]

Terry,
When you looking at doing your intro m8, me and mark would`nt mind a look see!
Richard

Hi Richard we will run the course in April when ther will be plenty of action going on for you to see.
We have now got 3 Forum members for the course so 2 or 3 places left and then we have to call it a day unless there are enough people to run a second course
Terry

[Red-Devil]

Hi Richard we will run the course in April when ther will be plenty of action going on for you to see.
We have now got 3 Forum members for the course so 2 or 3 places left and then we have to call it a day unless there are enough people to run a second course
Terry
count me in terry please

[Peregrine1]

Just one thing I forgot to mention all my falcons are voluntry and fingers crossed all the eggs have been fertile. So I will not be able to show stripping a male, or a forced on a falcon I know sounds daft but I respect my falcons to much to do this. However I have stripped quite a lot of males and forced females for a commercial local breeder. So I can explain the method.
I have had quite a few requests for visits and all I have said can come no problems, but its getting a tadge tight to fit many more in.
Regards
Colin

[Finnish]

I'll come i'll come when when..:D

[Hawkmaster]

I am most certainly up for it too!

[Chris S]

hi terry will be there (AGAIN)if your let me or i can just pitch me tent up now?

[UKJay74]

sorry off topic did the tx turn up mate??

[Chris S]

yes thanks m8

[UKJay74]

yes thanks m8
good good :D

[Kentish Falconry]

Hi Guys
The first AI course is now full

Red-Devil (Gary)
Finnish (Lee)
Hawkmaster (Paul)
Chris S (Chris)
Hacker (Richard)
Out Hunting (Mark)

If any of you can't make it please let me know in advance so that we can let someone else take your place.
The Course will be on April 1st from 9-30 to 4-30
We have more people than we can handle in one session so we will run a second course on 15th April same times, let me know if you want to come.
ATB
Terry:)

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Are you sure April fools day is the best day to have this on Terry?

[Kentish Falconry]

Are you sure April fools day is the best day to have this on Terry?

Only if you are coming Karl lol :lol:

[Jeremiah Johnson]

HI
Can you stick me down as reserve on the first course and pencil me in for the second please..
Regards Flame

[Hawkmaster]

Red-Devil (Gary)
Finnish (Lee)
Hawkmaster (Paul)
Chris S (Chris)
Hacker (Richard)
Out Hunting (Mark)


Where are you guys situated so we can maybe share lifts. I will be leaving from Torquay.

[Hacker]

Where are you guys situated so we can maybe share lifts. I will be leaving from Torquay.
Me and Outhunting will be coming from Tadley near Reading m8

[Kentish Falconry]

HI
Can you stick me down as reserve on the first course and pencil me in for the second please..
Regards Flame

Will do M8 I will let you know if there is a cancelation but for now you are booked on the 15th
Terry

[Hacker]

Terry,
Can you put me and Out Hunting on the 15th as he is on holiday on the 1st.
Cheers m8

[Barbary Boy]

if you guys have never seen it done b4 you will find it fasinating, enjoy.

[Chris S]

Where are you guys situated so we can maybe share lifts. I will be leaving from Torquay.

from swindon wiltshire m8

[Jeremiah Johnson]

Hopefully with Hacker and out hunting ... on the second course.. Ill now be on the first.......Ill be heading down the M54 M6 then M1 if anyone needs a lift................. room for two

[Mary Quite Contrary]

count me in please terry for the 15th

[Kentish Falconry]

Hi All
Revised lists for AI courses

1/4/06

Red Devil
Finnish
Hawkmaster
Chris S
Flame

15/4/06

Hacker
Outhunting
Chuffpiece Chas

Due to some cancelations and change of dates there is 1 place left on the 1st and 3 places left for the 15th.
Do you guys just want AI or do you want incubation included as well?
ATB
Terry

[Red-Devil]

Hi All
Revised lists for AI courses

1/4/06

Red Devil
Finnish
Hawkmaster
Chris S
Flame

15/4/06

Hacker
Outhunting
Chuffpiece Chas

Due to some cancelations and change of dates there is 1 place left on the 1st and 3 places left for the 15th.
Do you guys just want AI or do you want incubation included as well?
ATB
Terry
incubation will be good for me terry

[Hacker]

I`ll go for that as well m8.

[Jeremiah Johnson]

learning about incubation ..... would be great !! too...

[Kentish Falconry]

learning about incubation ..... would be great !! too...

We will see how the time goes on the day if we have time to deal with Incubation then we will other than that we can set a seperate day aside and do a whole day on Incubation.
I think that as this started as an AI thread it should be given preference
ATB
Terry:supz:

[Chris S]

So apart from Flame its a west country white wash(so will have to leave friday morning or the tractor will never get there

[Jeremiah Johnson]

So apart from Flame its a west country white wash(so will have to leave friday morning or the tractor will never get there

Tractors ... You Lucky lucky B***** we still use Cart Horse's up here

[Hacker]

Don`t forget your Vaseline boys!

[Talon]

Don`t forget your Vaseline boys!

pmsl ...at that hacker...bet kentish as a big barn there full of gimps just like the one in pulp fiction .whating for theses lads to turn up..lol:supz: :supz: lol

[Chris S]

after looking at them bristol girls gimps sound great

[Kentish Falconry]

pmsl ...at that hacker...bet kentish as a big barn there full of gimps just like the one in pulp fiction .whating for theses lads to turn up..lol:supz: :supz: lol

Sorry to disappoint boys no Gimp's here but Simon will put on his Crutchless Darth Vadar Suit if you ask him nicely lol
Terry:butthead:

[Hacker]

Terry,
Put your Light sabre away now.
Tut,Tut.:supz: :supz:

[Kentish Falconry]

Hi All
Revised lists for AI courses

1/4/06

Red Devil
Finnish
Hawkmaster
Chris S
Flame

15/4/06

Hacker
Outhunting
Chuffpiece Chas

Due to some cancelations and change of dates there is 1 place left on the 1st and 3 places left for the 15th.
Do you guys just want AI or do you want incubation included as well?
ATB
Terry

Sprout (Karl) Added to the 15th so we now have one place left for the 1st and 2 places left for the 15th, I thought you lot were interested in learning something lol
We have to save one place for Andy Peels Bells as he asked first but he has been off line for a few days
Terry :)

[UKJay74]

falconquester any chance of ne dropping by had anexperience with one guy that used to be on here but always want to learn more

[Peregrine1]

falconquester any chance of ne dropping by had anexperience with one guy that used to be on here but always want to learn more

Yes you can come over I will contact When things are happening. As I have said its only a small project (very) compared to some. Just had one lad over for the best part of 3 days learning shovling procedures, pea gravel in and out, and the use of jet wash :o)) The funny thing is I think he enjoyed it. Please no more this season. Plus Bird Flu could put a halt on things. I hear its made france
Regards
Colin

[Kentish Falconry]

Can anyone contact Andy Peel's and ask him to either PM me or phone me. I have been trying to get in touch for over a week now with no luck.
Thanks
Terry

[BlackShaheen1]

i have been looking for peels bells as well

[Sprout]

Try his websire and e-mail him from there - responded quick when I tried few months ago for bells

[Kentish Falconry]

Try his websire and e-mail him from there - responded quick when I tried few months ago for bells

Karl it seems his PC is in storeage at the moment mate and he isn't answering his Mobile either just thought one of his mates would be able to throw some light on him or get him to contact me.
Terry:yawinkle:

[Sprout]

Thought I'd just state the obvious (assumed there was a problem other than the obvious).

[UKJay74]

Yes you can come over I will contact When things are happening. As I have said its only a small project (very) compared to some. Just had one lad over for the best part of 3 days learning shovling procedures, pea gravel in and out, and the use of jet wash :o)) The funny thing is I think he enjoyed it. Please no more this season. Plus Bird Flu could put a halt on things. I hear its made france
Regards
Colin


lol i remember pea gravel and jet washes damn you can stink a bit after doing a ferru's seclusion pen

no worries colin just let me know :D

Jay

[PeelsBells]

Sorry for not getting back sooner .I have just got back of my holidays and forgot to put it up.
I would love to come on the April 1st course and learn a thing or two, just spent all my money in Las Vegas before i move house, hope to see some new faces .

[PeelsBells]

Terry is lunch free or do we have to by some chippy from the shops.

[Kentish Falconry]

Terry is lunch free or do we have to by some chippy from the shops.

Andy you will have to buy your own lunch M8 but we can send Simon out to get it McDonnalds, Fish & Chips or whatever everyone wants. Unless you all want a pub lunch, good food just down the road.
Coffee tea etc will be available.
Terry:supz:

[Chris S]

and simon makes a lovely cuppa

[BlackShaheen1]

and simon makes a lovely cuppa
i have seen simon in the middle of the breeding season and you will only get a grunt out of him .the man gets obsessed lol

[PeelsBells]

I would just like to take this opportunity to thank Terry for writing back and allowing me/some of us on the forum to do this course.
I spoke to him the other day and what a genuine bloke and i hope the day turns out to be the buisness.
Thanks again Terry.