hybrids - the weird and wonderful!

[Jackson]

Ok
hybrids - one species crossed with another
tribrids (yes there is such a thing) three birds crossed with eachother (obvioulsly through AI)

Whats you opinion on the hybrids out there?
the most beautiful?
the most ugly?
the best hunting?
the best display?
the weirdest?
the most common?

pics would be good (evidence)

[Afshimo]

Ok
hybrids - one species crossed with another
tribrids (yes there is such a thing) three birds crossed with eachother (obvioulsly through AI)

Whats you opinion on the hybrids out there?
the most beautiful?
the most ugly?
the best hunting?
the best display?
the weirdest?
the most common?

pics would be good (evidence)

cant get my pics up but the frutail male is an excellent display bird. They can sumasault, (not advised but sykes did!) and really flashy flying. Quick turning and nice looking! I'd love one lol. Great hunter's i bet too lol.

[Jackson]

same they are sooo b-e-a-u-tiful ill try get my pics of them as well - compare as it were! theyre the only natural hybrid too!

[James_Falconry1]

Im open to being kicked as not really a hybrid fan.
as i was corrected on another thread and have changed my opinion on them a bit but still a Pure Pere fan, but then who cant be if your around screamin Jay he talks so highly of them its hard to like any other species.

I like the look of PerexPraire and did see one fly for a season she was mean never put the brakes on wen she bound to quarry always came up covered in mud. She was a beautifull hawk tho.

PerexLanner for displays they stay around from what i have seen keep close but have nearly the pere speed. As they have a larger wing loading can fly faster in a straight line and go up quickely.

JImmy

[Jackson]

ferutail

[Hacker]

Gyr/Prairie and she is for sale.

[Pink_Eagle]

we hav a saker/lanner/lugger shes a good bird

[Jackson]

we hav a saker/lanner/lugger shes a good bird

any pics pics?? dont think ive seen one of them how are they to fly etc

[Jackson]

Gyr/Prairie and she is for sale.

what a stunner, shame i cant have a bop at the mo :(

[Saker-Sucker]

Amazon, is that Cody?

[Jackson]

i fink so but i have so many pics LOL

[Saker-Sucker]

.....well here's a better one, Ferru-tail................

[Jackson]

.....well here's a better one, Ferru-tail................

whos dat one????????????????????
very nice

[Saker-Sucker]

and again.................................I love this bird:supz:

[Saker-Sucker]

The same one you posted.!

[Pink_Eagle]

this is tessa a saker/lanner/lugger a v.gd flyer v.quick and can get sum gd height, often catches people out
this site will take u to a pic
http://www.raptorfoundation.org.uk/species.html

[Jackson]

The same one you posted.!

wow looks so different!!! wen was it taken!!!

[Saker-Sucker]

wow looks so different!!! wen was it taken!!!


Last year.

[Jackson]

Last year.

ahh a younger version then!!! LOL

p.s. tessa looks lurvely sophie!! gud pic of her in flight!!

[Moses]

clive feru tail looks nice


my face hybrids r

peregrine/sakers
gyr/peregrines
peregrine/lanner

[Hacker]

Heres a wet & full Gyr/Pere x Saker

[Tooker]

..and 1 legged!! :P

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

same they are sooo b-e-a-u-tiful ill try get my pics of them as well - compare as it were! theyre the only natural hybrid too!
Your way of the mark with the only natural hybrid thing Im afraid. Two that occur commonly are Gyr/Sakers, and Peregrine/Barbary. There are numerous other hybrids that have been recorded in wild stock as well.

[Barbary Boy]

Your way of the mark with the only natural hybrid thing Im afraid. Two that occur commonly are Gyr/Sakers, and Peregrine/Barbary. There are numerous other hybrids that have been recorded in wild stock as well.
i was just going to say that?

[Afshimo]

my baby lol. Beautifull! :heart:

[NGuruve]

wow gorgeous bird there hannah i really like the ferru tail maybe amazon meant the only natural broadwing hybrid anyways i really like the look of the peregrine/sakers and have seen a few pics of a harris/ferru they look mean

[Barbary Boy]

i flew a female pere x saker in 1976 she was one of the 1st hybreds ever bred anywhere in the world and was the product of a natural pairing!

[Scruff]

geeeeeeeez Hacker! (gyr/prairie) - that bird is stunning! :heart:

[Jackson]

Your way of the mark with the only natural hybrid thing Im afraid. Two that occur commonly are Gyr/Sakers, and Peregrine/Barbary. There are numerous other hybrids that have been recorded in wild stock as well.

wow thats something new ive lernt! thanks i realy didnt know that! Kewl

[Jackson]

wow gorgeous bird there hannah i really like the ferru tail maybe amazon meant the only natural broadwing hybrid anyways i really like the look of the peregrine/sakers and have seen a few pics of a harris/ferru they look mean

harrid/ferru???????? pics????? i havent herd of them!!!

[Hacker]

wow thats something new ive lernt! thanks i realy didnt know that! Kewl
Excellent, this is what the site has to offer to new and maybe old falconers.

[Jackson]

yea the site does have some use LOL
any one know any other wild bop hybrids

[UKJay74]

have to say personally i like pere/sakers gyr/sakers are stunning but love my little altai saker

[Jackson]

have to say personally i like pere/sakers gyr/sakers are stunning but love my little altai saker

whats an altai saker???
we have a huge gyrsaker female shes a stunner

[UKJay74]

this s an altai saker http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=10878&page=3 larger than the average saker by all accounts :D

[Jackson]

ahh right very nice!!!

[NGuruve]

here you go a harris/ferru

[Barbary Boy]

whats an altai saker???
we have a huge gyrsaker female shes a stunner
i thought you had a center ?

[Jackson]

i thought you had a center ?

i do but nver herd of one of them!!! only a normal saker

[Barbary Boy]

just goes to prove what ive allways said about falconry centers? how has anyone remotely interested in falconry NOT heard of altai sakers? how old are you ? how long have you been into falconry and tell us about yourself?

[LongWing]

how about gos/cross buzzard theres one for sale on the ibr site with pictures

[Afshimo]

altai saker's are just the bigger saker's, like sonoran harris's or the daphine eagles etc.

I havnt heard of altai's for fairly long. I thought they were a different species altogther lol.

Centre's dont do stuff like that. Its more public stuff like ure basic harris hawk or normal golden eagle. No offence but the public dont always understand the subspecies and etc.

After that its personal research and cool forum like this that teach u the cool bits!

[UKJay74]

altai saker's are just the bigger saker's, like sonoran harris's or the daphine eagles etc.

I havnt heard of altai's for fairly long. I thought they were a different species altogther lol.

Centre's dont do stuff like that. Its more public stuff like ure basic harris hawk or normal golden eagle. No offence but the public dont always understand the subspecies and etc.

After that its personal research and cool forum like this that teach u the cool bits!


spot on hannah i think a lot of display centers cater for joe average like what they do but doesnt go any further yupps your right too with the altais (bigger sakers :D A.K.A Falco cherrug altaicus stunning birds (in my eyes) and cracking character :D:D

[Barbary Boy]

altai saker's are just the bigger saker's, like sonoran harris's or the daphine eagles etc.

I havnt heard of altai's for fairly long. I thought they were a different species altogther lol.

Centre's dont do stuff like that. Its more public stuff like ure basic harris hawk or normal golden eagle. No offence but the public dont always understand the subspecies and etc.

After that its personal research and cool forum like this that teach u the cool bits!
unfortunatly your quite right, the centers dont go in for that sort of stuff because the public dont know the difference. but its a shame the owners are so inexperienced or so uninterested that it matters little to them ? you can fly a barn owl and tell joe public its a snowy owl, you can have a gyr saker claiming it to be a gyr the punters dont mind and then do a good line in imprinted owls as ideal 1st falconry birds. but if youve been around even a little while and were ever remotely interested in falconry you would have heard of ALTAI SAKERS, but then it really dosnt matter dos it coz u wouldnt know what to do with one anyway?

[Moses]

here you go a harris/ferru


mate that has to be one wicked looking bird, looks so mean, i bet its so aggresive

[Barbary Boy]

mate that has to be one wicked looking bird, looks so mean, i bet its so aggresive
werve you been ?

[Jackson]

just goes to prove what ive allways said about falconry centers? how has anyone remotely interested in falconry NOT heard of altai sakers? how old are you ? how long have you been into falconry and tell us about yourself?


17, been into falconry since i was 10 (but been geting hands on experiance since i was 15)!!! i do all the information work for our centre so i should have known about the altai saker (i feel so ashamed)! but hey im still young and learning!!!!!
as hannah siad centres dont do stuff like that! we concentrate on out individual bops that we have which is ashame because it means i dont learn about others - so i visit other centres, websites ect!

[NGuruve]

i agree yes a person involved in falconry should know of them but then again falconry is changing people can have a harris hawk and not know anything about the other birds

and yes moses the person that was training it said it was very aggressive but hunted very well and was a good mixture of the two but then dont always belive what you read

[Biarmicus]

Whats you opinion on the hybrids out there?

the most beautiful?
Gyr/Prairie/Saker hybrid. I had a picture I saved off the internet but I lost it when the computer was reformated.

the weirdest? Gyr/Peregrine hybrids, mostly because they have such a wide range of different markings... some look more like white Gyrfalcons while others are more Peregrine in appearence; for example: www.falcons.co.uk/default.asp?id=112 (http://www.falcons.co.uk/default.asp?id=112)

the most common?
Gyr/Saker Hybrids

Brittney

[BlackShaheen1]

whats an altai saker???
we have a huge gyrsaker female shes a stunner
the altai sakers are found in the altai mountain range on the borders of mongolia and china.there are some pictures on kentish for sale thread.they are the biggest of the saker family except for a group in nepal tha hunt in packs like harris hawks .and feed on monkeys .

[Ramka]

There some photos of altai sakers (Falco cherrug milvipes), females and natural breeding pairs,
http://mybirds.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=6547&st=20

[Palmer]

the altai sakers are found in the altai mountain range on the borders of mongolia and china.there are some pictures on kentish for sale thread.they are the biggest of the saker family except for a group in nepal tha hunt in packs like harris hawks .and feed on monkeys .

What are the ones called that hunt in groups?
Sound brave.:supz:

[BlackShaheen1]

What are the ones called that hunt in groups?
Sound brave.:supz:
sorry mate dont know the latin name .will look for them tonight in my notes . all i ever call them is them f****ing monsters.

[Palmer]

LOL they sound like it.

[BlackShaheen1]

There some photos of altai sakers (Falco cherrug milvipes), females and natural breeding pairs,
http://mybirds.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=6547&st=20
sorry mate altiai sakers are not milvipes they are cherrug alticus .still sakers but a differant sub species.

[Kentish Falconry]

There some photos of altai sakers (Falco cherrug milvipes), females and natural breeding pairs,
http://mybirds.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=6547&st=20

Hi Ramka.......... Sorry M8 the Milvipes Saker is not the Altai Saker, Falco Cherrug Alticus is the Altai Saker and comes from the Altai Mountain Range
Falco Cherrug Milvipes comes from South East Asia and although it is a large Saker is not as big as the Altai, In fact recent studies have reveald another Saker in the Altai range that does not migrate they are at the moment calling this the Altai Gyr, this bird is really big almost the size of a Gyr Falcon, on the Chinese side of the Altai range there is also a lighter coloured Saker that they call the Chinese Altai but research leads us to beleive this is a natural Hybrid between Gyr and Saker. Dr Chris Eastham did a lot of research in these areas when he did his doctorate a few years back.
Incidentally I can't load your picture file for some reason
Terry:)

[Ramka]

sorry mate altiai sakers are not milvipes they are cherrug alticus .still sakers but a differant sub species.
Sorry, by last classification there are four subspecies of saker in Russia - F.cherrug cherrug, F.ch. mmilvipes, F.ch. coatsi, F.ch. hendersony. So called Altai falcons integrate in milvipes subspecies.
But there are some another points of view, that altai falcon is relict gyr, or gyr/saker natural hybrides, and many others. http://ecoclub.nsu.ru/raptors/species/ellis.shtm
I'm ornithologist..

[BlackShaheen1]

Sorry, by last classification there are four subspecies of saker in Russia - F.cherrug cherrug, F.ch. mmilvipes, F.ch. coatsi, F.ch. hendersony. So called Altai falcons integrate in milvipes subspecies.
But there are some another points of view, that altai falcon is relict gyr, or gyr/saker natural hybrides, and many others. http://ecoclub.nsu.ru/raptors/species/ellis.shtm
I'm ornithologist..
dont forget f.c cyanopus witch also comes from russia .when was your(last classification dated .cos i think it a bit dated .there has been a substantial dna gene identification carried outin the last ten years . will find it then post it to you.

[Ramka]

dont forget f.c cyanopus witch also comes from russia .when was your(last classification dated .cos i think it a bit dated .there has been a substantial dna gene identification carried outin the last ten years . will find it then post it to you.
It's a not a dated classification, but more general classification :) Subspecies have a wide range. You use another, a bit detailed classification. Subspecies have a narrow range. It is not a mistake, it is common thing in biology :)
It is just mean there is no mistake to name altai falcon "milvipes" in a wide sense.
Some classificators separate up to ten saker subspecies in Russia by different signs!
Never mine, I read all that you find about saker taxonomy. :)

[Darren74]

i have a few pics of my harris x red if anyone would like to post them as i am no pc wizz

[Tooker]

i have a few pics of my harris x red if anyone would like to post them as i am no pc wizz

I'd like to see those :)

[Darren74]

give me a wallys eye view of how to post them and i will send some

[Barbary Boy]

I'd like to see those :)
ive seen them m8 there lovely, look a bit like a cross between a red tail and a harris hawk?

[Darren74]

well done BB im glad you wernt expecting any more

[Barbary Boy]

no probs m8 any time.

[Altai]

There some photos of altai sakers (Falco cherrug milvipes), females and natural breeding pairs,
http://mybirds.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=6547&st=20


I have looked at the photographs on the mybirds site.
Which ones are F.ch.milvipes and which ones are F.ch.alticus ?
Altai.