Mountain Hawk Eagle

[EagleMan]

i created this tered so we can share and talk about this magnificebt raptor too. success
for example check out this japanese splendor in the snow!

[EagleMan]

an little head profile study

[NGuruve]

im sure hawkeagle will post sum pics of his and yes they are truely awsume bird hawkeagles are the ultimate for me

[Gwaihir]

Beautiful looking eagle m8. Stunning head

John M

[AccipiterFreak]

i created this tered so we can share and talk about this magnificebt raptor too. success
for example check out this japanese splendor in the snow!
the bird in the foto is not a japanese MHE, I think it is imported from SE Asia.

[HawkEagle]

could the bird be Taiwanese mhe? It doesn't pose long crests. I have some close up of se mhe feet.

[AccipiterFreak]

could the bird be Taiwanese mhe? It doesn't pose long crests. I have some close up of se mhe feet.
the color and crest feather don't look right for a Taiwanese mhe to me? I don't know how? the Japanese hawk dealers just have their ways to import rare birds of prey form other countries.

[Osiris]

beautiful, awesome bird mate. Have seen one of these at a centre. gr8 birds.

Still think the Ornates are a bit more impressive but hey!!

[EagleMan]

japanese subspecies is a great hunter ! here sits on a killed deer !:supz:

[EagleMan]

japanese hawk eagle and chinese subspecies

[EagleMan]

taiwanese juvenile MHE head study, no coment?

[EagleMan]

japanese adult kumataka, gorgeous birds.....:supz:

[EagleMan]

another adult kumataka:supz:

[EagleMan]

this time ia a stuffed kumataka

[Takajo]

Here's a Japanese in the Tokyo Ueno Zoo (you won't see falconers with Japanese native wild birds legally). The northern island of Hokkaido boasts the laergest number of Stellar Sea Eagles in the world, threw that one in too..

[AccipiterFreak]

taiwanese juvenile MHE head study, no coment?
3rd/4th year bird kept in a small cage.

[EagleMan]

3rd/4th year bird kept in a small cage.
hou did you know that?

[Tim Laycock]

I cant guage the birds age that accurately but the birds head has been rubbing on something!
That is feather displacement, not not the head of a bird just fledging.

Also look at the patch where the birds wing joing has been rubbed!

[AccipiterFreak]

hou did you know that?
by the color of its eyes and plumage

[Sandeep]

Hi

By the colour of its eyes it seems like a 3 year bird. These look stockier than the ones in India. I have only seen these in pictures as well. One of the pictures in the above ( in the nest with the eyass) looks like a crested hawk eagle. The colour looks like that of a crested hawk eagle.

I have kept crested hawk eagles and they looked very much the same. But the MHE is a much different looking bird.

As per S.M. Osman (an old Indian Falconer) this is one of the fastest if not The fastest among the bigger BOPs. He had flown a few of these birds and has hunted patrdiges and pheasants with them. All his flights are off the fist ... Thats Fast..

Great pictures.....:supz: :supz: :supz:

[EagleMan]

3rd/4th year bird kept in a small cage.
how did you know that this particular bird was kept in a small cage? did you buyed the bird? thanks!

[Tim Laycock]

I cant guage the birds age that accurately but the birds head has been rubbing on something!
That is feather displacement, not not the head of a bird just fledging.

Also look at the patch where the birds wing joint has been rubbed!

Talking to myself evidently :rolleyes:

[AccipiterFreak]

how did you know that this particular bird was kept in a small cage? did you buyed the bird? thanks!
check out the plumage on its head, and all Taiwanese MHE head shots were all from cage birds. HY MHE eyes are dark blue/brow. SY eyes are light blue/brow. ASY eyes turn yellow. 5+ yr olds turn deep yellow. HYs don't have markings on the underparts and head. most SYs still look the same, some might have some spots on the head. strips and bards start showing on 3rd yrs. it takes 5 yrs to attend full adult plumage. (MHEs take 2 yrs to complete the molt). my 2 cents, I hope this can answer your questions.

[HawkEagle]

Check out her hind claws. Also the pic of her eating quail and the last one is a baby blyth's hawk eagle. She also developing hugh feet and tarsus.

[HawkEagle]

By the way these birds are not at all large. My mountain he is just bit bigger than a redtail.

[Sandeep]

Hawk Eagle...

Facinating pictures Buddy.... One couldnt have asked for a better picture. I never knew the Blyths was so well armed. She is a killer.

Which part of the world are you from??? Do you have a picture of you holding the Blyths. Just to get an etimate of the size of the bird.

The talons look small as comparted to the size of her toes...

[HawkEagle]

Sandeep, she is still a baby so her claws have not been fully developed. I have handle a mature bird a few years ago and she has enormous hind claws just like my mountain he.

[Joey]

Sandeep, she is still a baby so her claws have not been fully developed. I have handle a mature bird a few years ago and she has enormous hind claws just like my mountain he.what do you take with them hawkeagle
ohhh and there beutiful looking birds

cheers joey

[HawkEagle]

I use them for TV work and show mainly but my mhe will kill a 4kg hare in real quick time. The hare didn't even move more than a meter away from where it was nailed.

[Joey]

I use them for TV work and show mainly but my mhe will kill a 4kg hare in real quick time. The hare didn't even move more than a meter away from where it was nailed.nice keep it up av you any pics ov your mhe on a kill or anything


joey

[HawkEagle]

nice keep it up av you any pics ov your mhe on a kill or anything


joey
Sorry I don't.

[Sandeep]

Hawk Eagle...

Where exactly do you live???

The Mountain hawk Eagles here are much bigger... Cheers...

[Joey]

Sorry I don't.thanks anyway


cheers joey

[HawkEagle]

Hawk Eagle...

Where exactly do you live???

The Mountain hawk Eagles here are much bigger... Cheers...
I live in Thailand. I also have a larger female mhe. She is just a small individual. However she is more powerful than the other one.

[HawkEagle]

F Changeable hawkeagle, birds over her dont have crests.

[Pink_Eagle]

didnt realise thy differed so much in colour, this is another changable hawk eagle
(sorry bout size eithr too big or v.small)

[Takajo]

A Changeable Harris', Sophie???

[HawkEagle]

didnt realise thy differed so much in colour, this is another changable hawk eagle
(sorry bout size eithr too big or v.small)
You can also get a white one, I'll post the pic of the white one later. Here is a pic of a baby blyth's he on the fist.

[Sandeep]

Hawk Eagle

Great pictures... The female MHE is smaller than I thought. Do you hunt with her at all. Have you ever hunted with the BOPs you have??

Would love to come there some day and see your BOPs...

The Blyths looks awesome...:supz: :supz:

[NGuruve]

you are one lucky fella the hawk eagles are amazing id choose them over anything:supz:

[Pink_Eagle]

A Changeable Harris', Sophie???

no definetly a changable hawk eagle

[EagleMan]

another shot of the japanese kumataka:supz:

[Jackson]

fabtatsic pics hawk eagle!!

[EagleMan]

hawk eagle, my friend this is for you- an adult female MHE from Thailand ! i hope you gonna like it !

[AccipiterFreak]

Here is this Japanese website about the last MHE master, lots of fotos. It is in Japanese, but just keep clicking the "next" at the bottom. http://www.pref.akita.jp/fpd/takasho/takasho01.htm

[EagleMan]

well, accipiterfreak try this page for the english version of thet article
www.pref.akita.jp/fdp/takasho/takasho01-e.htm
tell me if you make it ! success

[AndyYounger]

well, accipiterfreak try this page for the english version of thet article
www.pref.akita.jp/fdp/takasho/takasho01-e.htm
tell me if you make it ! success

this just kept coming up page not found?

[Takajo]

Here is this Japanese website about the last MHE master, lots of fotos. It is in Japanese, but just keep clicking the "next" at the bottom. http://www.pref.akita.jp/fpd/takasho/takasho01.htm
He was, in fact, not the last master; it's just that his student wanted people to believe that he was in order to inflame his own ego. I know a master who lives in a nearby prefecture. They ARE rare, but definitely not extinct.

[EagleMan]

these are taiwanese subspecies of MHE

[EagleMan]

ant this one too:supz:

[EagleMan]

and this one is from Thailand

[Mac]

cool thread:supz:

didnt glasier go on a road trip to afganistan or somwhere to try and trap some mountain hawk eagles? and werent they about five pounds in weight?


all the best

sean

[EagleMan]

cool thread:supz:

didnt glasier go on a road trip to afganistan or somwhere to try and trap some mountain hawk eagles? and werent they about five pounds in weight?


all the best

sean

thanks Mac:)
who is this glasier, honestly, i never heard of him/her !
and MHE' s weight exceed 5 pounds, especialy for the orientalis race .

[HawkEagle]

The f mhe I have weight about 5lbs fully fat. The Taiwanese one weight about 6-7lbs fully fat. They are quite big. My Taiwanese friend said their mhe will hunt primate in the wild.

[Berkut]

Hawkeagle,
I would be very interested to hear your opinion and any experience you have of the African Hawk Eagle. I have been asked to train one and I have it in my possession now. It is this years bird , male , imprint and has a top weight of
3lb 2oz.The temperament appears to be excellent and the bird looks somewhere between a Redtail Buzzard and a Goshawk. I have been working on the bird for 5 days now and am impressed with its progress.
I will take some photographs today and post them here if that is ok with you.I do not wish to hijack your thread.
Best Wishes,
Neil.

[HawkEagle]

I'll be delighted Neil. I'd also like to know more about them. I have never come across one before.:supz:

[Berkut]

I'll be delighted Neil. I'd also like to know more about them. I have never come across one before.:supz:

HawkEagle,
A couple of photographs to start.I will take more over the weekend and post them.Hope you like !!!!

[Pogger]

What an outstanding looking bird! I really hope these become more available in this country.

[Berkut]

What an outstanding looking bird! I really hope these become more available in this country.

Pogger,
They will become more available but the price would have to come down. I will happily pay the right money for the right bird but what the guy paid for this was way over the top. I agree it is a stunning looking bird with a temperament to match.

[Pogger]

Pogger,
They will become more available but the price would have to come down. I will happily pay the right money for the right bird but what the guy paid for this was way over the top. I agree it is a stunning looking bird with a temperament to match.


I await the price drop with bated breath! :D

[HawkEagle]

What a stunning bird you have Neil. You are one of the most lucky guy on earth:lol:

[Berkut]

HawkEagle,
A couple of photographs to start.I will take more over the weekend and post them.Hope you like !!!!

This bird has a temperament to die for.He is now coming 100 yds instantly to the lure at 2lb 14oz (1300 gms).If I have my back to him he will gently land on the top of my head.He can be vocal but sounds more like an eagle than a hawk. He is aggressive towards the glove but I am working on this by feeding only from the lure. I will try and take some better photographs tomorrow and post them on here.
Neil.

[Pogger]

I will try and take some better photographs tomorrow and post them on here.
Neil.


Please do! I can't wait to see them. :)

[Berkut]

Please do! I can't wait to see them. :)

Will take a load tomorrow.He,s really settled in and will be better to photograph now.
Regards,
Neil.

[HawkEagle]

Berkut, you will fall in love with this bird, he is a killing machine and the pics please.:yawinkle:

[Mac]

berkut, please the african hawk eagle pics the waitings killing me....:)

sean

[Heike]

Here he is a bit younger when he came to visit us.

[NGuruve]

arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrg dam u neil its not far the bird im dieing to get hold of i the future when i move back to africa u already have wow man thats amazing hope all the best for him and plz more pics cheers ooo btw the redtail is doing really well

[EagleMan]

back to MHE
an adult from Japan :supz:

[EagleMan]

and another japanese bird being mobbed bu an honeybuzzard :supz:

[EagleMan]

old exceptionally photos of japanese falconers and their kumataka !

[EagleMan]

bird and man...

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Just curious here. have you ever hunted with an Eagle Eagleman? Kind Regards Karl

[EagleMan]

Just curious here. have you ever hunted with an Eagle Eagleman? Kind Regards Karl

To my shame, Not yet:-x
But it'a a dream that some day may became true !
I love eagles and i pray to Dear GOD to let this chance enter into my life !

thank you, and have a great day Karl !

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Thanks for the reply.

[EagleMan]

It seems that the nipalensis subspecies also live in Kpreas and the far east of Russia

[EagleMan]

the indian subspecies !

[EagleMan]

Another look at the russian bird, sorry for the pic.

[EagleMan]

taken in summer !

[EagleInYarak]

awesome pics one of the photo is reminiscent of a rt hawk raptors r awesome!
:-P:razz::-P

[EagleInYarak]

also eagleman i love your threds esp those concernin eagles- the powerhouses(harpy,crowned) and littleknowns(apparently most hawkeagles) btw have ospreys or bald eagles ben used for falconry or snowy owls?

[EagleMan]

Thank you !

[ScottMason]

Hi,

I Just found this thread, I thought i'd post a few pics of MHE. they have been posted on this forum before on a different thread so apologies for the repeat.

I'm an English bloke living in Nepal, my female MHE is 2 years old and from Nepal, she flies at around 1800g. She was rescued from a someone who was keeping her in a small cage as a pet for about a year, needless to say she has some issues but i'm working through them.

As for hunting, i've spent the last few months trying to get her to chase Egrets as there is not much else where i live. The problem lately is that she has developed a fear of water logged padi fields, and typically this is where the Egrets generally feed and hangout. She's just started to moult so i'll lay her up for now and crack on in Sept when i have a full season with her.

[Tanin]

Impressive Scott.

[EagleMan]

You are more than wellcomes Scott !
In fact we all thank you again for sharing with us from your experience and pictures with this magnificent raptor.
By the way, how is she ?

Here is a book of a great falconer who trrained and flight dozens of MHE, I think that you may fing interesting info in there.
I don't want to make publicity but here is the link of that particular book..

http://www.hancockhouse.com/products/fallan.htm

Regards

[DJMWyoming]

You are more than wellcomes Scott !
In fact we all thank you again for sharing with us from your experience and pictures with this magnificent raptor.
By the way, how is she ?

Here is a book of a great falconer who trrained and flight dozens of MHE, I think that you may fing interesting info in there.
I don't want to make publicity but here is the link of that particular book..

http://www.hancockhouse.com/products/fallan.htm

Regards

I have always wanted to fly a mountain hawk eagle. At least try my hand at one. One of my dreams. Probably never will. They aren't available here.

Here in Wyoming a female would be great on white-tailed jack rabbits (hares) off the fist.

Wonderful birds. Awesome birds.

Best,

DM

[EagleMan]

I have always wanted to fly a mountain hawk eagle. At least try my hand at one. One of my dreams. Probably never will. They aren't available here.

Here in Wyoming a female would be great on white-tailed jack rabbits (hares) off the fist.

Wonderful birds. Awesome birds.

Best,

DM

It's illegal to import MHE'S into U.S. ?
And in Wyoming, you could launch your MHE at foxes too, also at big waterfowles as the wild gooses.

Regards.

[Pete J.]

It's illegal to import MHE'S into U.S. ?
And in Wyoming, you could launch your MHE at foxes too, also at big waterfowles as the wild gooses.

Regards.
It isn't that is illegal to import Eagleman, it is just very very difficult and time consuming to get the permits and all that is associated with bringing them in (quarantine, etc.). And then, to begin with, you have to find someone that actually has access to them (a breeder for instance) and there aren't many of those out in the world. So even if you could find a breeder and the price wasn't too outrageous, then you have shipping (not too bad), broker at the airport to take the bird(s) to quarantine (expensive), quarantine (not cheap), then figuring out a way to get them from the quarantine station back to the airport and ship them to Wyoming (probably expensive again unless you wanted to drive all the way to the quarantine station (NY, Miami, Los Angeles)...all of which are a very long way from Wyoming. After all this, would a person even want to fly the bird(s)? Probably not, probably breed them. And that would take how many years to be successful? My brain is bleeding just thinking about the difficulty involved in bringing in much of anything. We need a falconer to win the big lottery and spend it getting in everything we might ever want NOW, before it gets it gets even harder to accomplish.:supz:

[EagleMan]

Thank you Pete !
I understand now how it's the current situation in America regarding the import of raptors.
However, could it be easier to import an ornate hawk eagle from Central America to U.S. I mean at least the distance is smaller and the ornate is less endangered in the wild than MHE ?
Regards !

[Pete J.]

Thank you Pete !
I understand now how it's the current situation in America regarding the import of raptors.
However, could it be easier to import an ornate hawk eagle from Central America to U.S. I mean at least the distance is smaller and the ornate is less endangered in the wild than MHE ?
Regards !
It could be I suppose. The other problem is that you have to be a member of a cooperative group (sanctioned by the USFWS). This "Co-op" as we call them here, must also have this species as part of their list of potential imports for you to be able to import them. If your Co-op does not have them listed then you can either join a Co-op that does have them as part of their list, or you can try to get them added to your own Co-op's list by going through a process of requesting it, then it must be submitted to the public via the Federal Register for public comment. If the public comment is favorable or totally lacking in the negative area then the species can be added to your list. There is also some sort of special deal where if the species is listed on your Co-op but not on another, it is often difficult to get it listed on yours (I guess) and as such the authorities would rather have you join the other Co-op that has it listed rather than initiate it to a different Co-op as a new listing. Of course, for you to join one of these other Co-ops often means you (as an individual) must be approved by that other Co-op to join it. And that's not all.....
Let's say you are part of Co-op that is allowed to bring something in and you actually get through all the **** to get them in. Only members of the Co-op can actually fly the birds that are brought in, or their F1 progeny. F1s that are considered as surplus birds (because you must back up all potential bloodlines before you have a surplus) must then be offered to other in this Co-op and also (I believe) to other interested Co-ops before they can be offered to a non-Co-op member falconer. This process tends to encourage breeders in to bring in fewer birds and to keep them essentially for themselves and their closest friends that are in the Co-op and actually promotes elitism and the formation of 'cliques'. Are you feeling discouraged yet?
This is essentially why bringing in birds such as HEs is such an undertaking as they are so slow to mature to reproductive age and they have so few young. This is why I think that the Wild Bird Protection Act and CITES is really not encouraging people very well to begin showing interest in captive breeding. If you were breeding some sort of upland gamebird that produces many young, or even some of the parrots...then fine. But for something like a HE or other slow reproducing species, there is no real incentive to try unless there is a tremendous financial backing to make it all happen on a level that is sustainable for years to come. I do understand what they hoped would happen with such regulations, but for some species (and mostly the ones we need to be most concerned about in the long haul) this sort of regulation is doing much more harm than good. The forest hawkeagles are likely one of the main groups of birds that is going to be lost first due to their low reproductive rate, slow maturation process, dependence on rather extensive undisturbed forest in countries where such forests are being felled at an alarming rate. The plight of the Java HE is just the tip of the iceberg in this process because of it's limited range and massive human encroachment and destruction of limited habitat. This is one area where I feel that governmental interference and regulation is actually going to be the cause of the extinction of species, because they have handicapped themselves so much by accepting the obstacles which will cause the eventual collapse of the species.

[EagleMan]

Peter, I now understand...the bureaucracy...
I never went to America.
A few years ago some american friends came to visit my coutry. We talked a lt about everything.
Once they told me a thing that I still remember :
They told me that in today's America therei is leee and less freedom for the individ....they claim that in the '70 , even the 80' there was more freedom than today.
I understand now what they were tryng to say.
Anyway back to our thread what you say about the future of hawk eagle is sad but true...
So I still belive that you can import an ornate, I wonder how acted in this direction people like Jhon Neviase and other ornate owners from U.S .?
regards

[Pete J.]

Peter, I now understand...the bureaucracy...
I never went to America.
A few years ago some american friends came to visit my coutry. We talked a lt about everything.
Once they told me a thing that I still remember :
They told me that in today's America therei is leee and less freedom for the individ....they claim that in the '70 , even the 80' there was more freedom than today.
I understand now what they were tryng to say.
Anyway back to our thread what you say about the future of hawk eagle is sad but true...
So I still belive that you can import an ornate, I wonder how acted in this direction people like Jhon Neviase and other ornate owners from U.S .?
regards
I'm not entirely sure if Jon N. imported them or whether he just got birds together that were already here in zoos? It was also before the time of all this Wild Bird Protection Act I believe, perhaps just before this regulation began. It is getting worse every year though. Which is why importing birds now rather than later is the way to go. It will only get harder over the time ahead. I think I need to start playing the Lottery...money talks these days it seems!:box:

[EagleMan]

This pic was shot this year in India.
Stunning Bird....:supz:

[EagleMan]

An extension into the life of this feathered samurai the japanese MHE...

[EagleMan]

Winter flight

[EagleMan]

Autumn flight....

[EagleMan]

Alone...

[EagleMan]

Life means death..and vice -versa...

[EagleMan]

Summer flight

[AdeyHawk1970]

Thanks for the pictures eagle man:-D:-D

[EagleMan]

Anyway friends, anyway :-D

[EagleMan]

Hunting intermezzo !

[Jorge Sales Lisboa]

Friends

There is a small however very interesting video on falconry with Spizaetus nipalensis. This video shows a Spizaetus trained by an oriental falconer, and there are some throws to great hares in the snow. It is possible to do the download of this video in the Internet using emule it or Dreamule. It is necessary to key in the place of "search" " Hawking-Cetreria con Spizaetus ". It is not a big video it has 171 Mb, and the hard filming approximately 20 minutes, I think them to myself what is valid since it is not easy videos get on this Hawk Eagle in falconry

Greetings

Jorge

[EagleMan]

Many thanks Jorge!
I love this particular specie od hawk eagle!
I'm looking for years to fing any video about MHE.once whan I was a kid I saw a movie about the japanese MHE...
I still look for that documentary...
Many regards!

[Jorge Sales Lisboa]

Many thanks Jorge!
I love this particular specie od hawk eagle!
I'm looking for years to fing any video about MHE.once whan I was a kid I saw a movie about the japanese MHE...
I still look for that documentary...
Many regards!

Hello Eagle Man

Do you have MSN?

I can to send it for MSN.

My MSN is lisboajorge@hotmail.com

Jorge

[EagleMan]

Hello Eagle Man

Do you have MSN?

I can to send it for MSN.

My MSN is lisboajorge@hotmail.com

Jorge


Jorge, my friend ! If you send me that video, I'll recongnize in public on this forum that the harpy is the most powerful eagle...:D:D:lol:

I will send you an PM.
Regards !

[Jorge Sales Lisboa]

Jorge, my friend ! If you send me that video, I'll recongnize in public on this forum that the harpy is the most powerful eagle...:D:D:lol:

I will send you an PM.
Regards !



AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Hello Eagle Man

I can send a copy by post but it has been spending for this, and I can send to you the archive for the MSN, which is quicker and better however is necessary that you add me in the MSN so that I can pass you the archive. My email is lisboajorge@hotmail.com or jorge_sales_lisboa@hotmail.com

Warn when to add me in the MSN.

Greetings

Jorge

[Takajo]

Konnichi wa.

Here's one:
YouTube - クマタカ

[Takajo]

A very short soar:
YouTube - Mountain Hawk eagle クマタカ

[EagleMan]

Many Thanks Takajo !

[EagleMan]

Subadult male MHE, originated in Thailand, this pic was taken in the wild.
Note the size of the legs and talons..:supz:

[EagleMan]

Monkey killer...:supz:
Proof from Japan

http://www.journalarchive.jst.go.jp/jnlpdf.php?cdjournal=jjo1986&cdvol=47&noissue=3&startpage=125&lang=en&from=jnlabstract

[CanadaManada]

Eagleman,
Did you get that video the gentleman from Brazil spoke about? That documentary is about Mr Matsubara, the man I told you I met a few weeks ago.

Justin

[EagleMan]

No I did not !
I has english subtitles?
No matter in fact, I'm gonna try to find it
Regards !

[CanadaManada]

Ask Jorge, please. He will give it to you if you use MSN messenger.
I doubt if it has subtitles, but you won't need them, anyway.
The way he picks the HE up off a kill is incredible and must be seen to be believed!!!

Justin

[AccipiterFreak]

just for the fun of it

[EagleMan]

Many thanks, Anthony and please excuse me for not mailed you so far...
I had some problems ...
This is the taiwanese MHE, isnt'it ?
Again I remain greateful !
Nicu

[MaeBoy]

I see many posts about MHE ,but no one seems to be hunting it successfully. I have read from Korean history report ,once a white MHE was sent to Chinese emperor as his annual tribute,but there is only faint report about falconry practise in Korea.Now they are technically extinct species over here ,but I hear informer sightings time to time.I am very curious about them as a falconey bird.

[Mark Moglich]

This is my Ornate she is getting very good at catching Jack Rabitts( Hare) here in Nevada. Hawk Eagles can be good in falconry but take alot of time to develope.

I see many posts about MHE ,but no one seems to be hunting it successfully. I have read from Korean history report ,once a white MHE was sent to Chinese emperor as his annual tribute,but there is only faint report about falconry practise in Korea.Now they are technically extinct species over here ,but I hear informer sightings time to time.I am very curious about them as a falconey bird.

[AccipiterFreak]

Many thanks, Anthony and please excuse me for not mailed you so far...
I had some problems ...
This is the taiwanese MHE, isnt'it ?
Again I remain greateful !
Nicu
no problem! Just went into these two Taiwanese MHE fotos the other day......

[MaeBoy]

This is my Ornate she is getting very good at catching Jack Rabitts( Hare) here in Nevada. Hawk Eagles can be good in falconry but take alot of time to develope.
Hello Mark.
Are they very simmilar to each other? what are they like in the relationship with human? when you say they take alot of time to develope do you mean their confidence,or learning skills in hunting?
Sang.

[Pete J.]

A bit of both is what he means Sang. In the wild the southern Spizaetus young spend basically the whole first year being cared for by the adults. Their strategy is to produce few young at a time, but put more care in their eventual potential success by easing them into their role as a hunter.
But while this may be true of the southern Spizaetus such as Marks' Ornate HE, it may not necessarily be true of the more northerly Spizaetus such as the Mountain HE. Environment pressures such as temperature may push the more northerly forms to become more active predators earlier than the more tropical species. It would be interesting to know if there is a difference? I will have to do some research to see if there is any documentation of this difference between tropical and temperate forms.

[AccipiterFreak]

A bit of both is what he means Sang. In the wild the southern Spizaetus young spend basically the whole first year being cared for by the adults. Their strategy is to produce few young at a time, but put more care in their eventual potential success by easing them into their role as a hunter.
But while this may be true of the southern Spizaetus such as Marks' Ornate HE, it may not necessarily be true of the more northerly Spizaetus such as the Mountain HE. Environment pressures such as temperature may push the more northerly forms to become more active predators earlier than the more tropical species. It would be interesting to know if there is a difference? I will have to do some research to see if there is any documentation of this difference between tropical and temperate forms.

gees! that is a doctoral dissertation research.

[EagleMan]

True !
This theory is right....
In northern areas life is harder to a predator due to shortage of prey !

[Turumti]

I havent flown any hawk eagles, but I have flown plenty of hawks and falcons. And in my experience, apart from being bigger, birds from northern latitudes are generally more aggressive and persistent than their southern cousins. For example, a calidus peregrine is generally more persistent in her pursuit of quarry than an average peregrinator is, and the former is bigger. Furthermore even amongst the same subspecies, birds from northern areas are more aggressive and persistent generally than their southern cousins. For example rednaped shaheens from southern Pakistan are very adept at catching sandgrouse, doves, pigeon and teals, but those from the arid hills of the north often hunt imperial sandgrouse on migration, and those imperial sandgrouse is not an easy quarry by any yardstick. It's big and very fast.

[Sandeep]

One of the last falconers of his time - S.M. Osman has made specific mention of the MHE. He has even gone to the extent of saying that inspite of its big size its probably one of the fastest amongst hawks and eagles. Osman mentions that he has had very good success with the MHE in taking patridges, pheasants, hares, owls, and quite a few other quarry...

His book - Falconry in the Land Of The Sun is a must read. Its more to do with his falconry escapades more than 7 decades ago rather than training.

Cheers

[Mark Moglich]

I agree and I would bet the MHE developes much faster and has a faster metabolism.

A bit of both is what he means Sang. In the wild the southern Spizaetus young spend basically the whole first year being cared for by the adults. Their strategy is to produce few young at a time, but put more care in their eventual potential success by easing them into their role as a hunter.
But while this may be true of the southern Spizaetus such as Marks' Ornate HE, it may not necessarily be true of the more northerly Spizaetus such as the Mountain HE. Environment pressures such as temperature may push the more northerly forms to become more active predators earlier than the more tropical species. It would be interesting to know if there is a difference? I will have to do some research to see if there is any documentation of this difference between tropical and temperate forms.

[MaeBoy]

Thank you for your kind reply Peter.
I can understand the fact ,that all living creatures have developed their habits,and nature for very one reason ,survival.
I am not 100years old having experience with tousands of birds. Advises,and opinions from different sides benefits my life ,and I appreciate it so much. I`m expecting more ,than just samll behavioral
differences. For example Chinese sparrow hawk Accipiter soloensis I have trained ,that was not too much different from sparrow hawk Accipiter nisus in size ,and figure if fact they were totally different in every aspects.
Chinese sparrow hawks I saw in the wild were mostly doing the still hunting from perches ,and posts unlike sparrow hawks rapidly flying around bushes,and forest edges to scare the preys ,and chasing after one.
I heard from Japanese raptor veterinarian who traps them regularly,and have worked with the falconer with Spizaetus nipalensis MHE told me he traps them all with deer carrion,and they seem to prefer still hunt from trees.
Sang

A bit of both is what he means Sang. In the wild the southern Spizaetus young spend basically the whole first year being cared for by the adults. Their strategy is to produce few young at a time, but put more care in their eventual potential success by easing them into their role as a hunter.
But while this may be true of the southern Spizaetus such as Marks' Ornate HE, it may not necessarily be true of the more northerly Spizaetus such as the Mountain HE. Environment pressures such as temperature may push the more northerly forms to become more active predators earlier than the more tropical species. It would be interesting to know if there is a difference? I will have to do some research to see if there is any documentation of this difference between tropical and temperate forms.

[EagleMan]

One of the last falconers of his time - S.M. Osman has made specific mention of the MHE. He has even gone to the extent of saying that inspite of its big size its probably one of the fastest amongst hawks and eagles. Osman mentions that he has had very good success with the MHE in taking patridges, pheasants, hares, owls, and quite a few other quarry...

His book - Falconry in the Land Of The Sun is a must read. Its more to do with his falconry escapades more than 7 decades ago rather than training.

Cheers

This book is by far the most impressive declaration to falconry as an art that I ever read...
I receive this particular masterpiece a month ago and these days I finished reading it.
Regarding to MHE, the oresentation of Sirdar Mohamed Osman is marvellous. Conform to him this species of hawk eagle is a great bird to falconry.
He hunted for 5 or 6 years with a MHE female and the hunting experience must be read by all falconers and BOP fans...
His female, named Kohistani (Mountain Girl ) in local dialects, was a bird eager to hunt everything that moves, in particular the way he described the way in wich Kohistani managed to hunt and kill the Bengal Eagle Owl, is worth to be readed. Also he decalres that MHE is very agressive toward any nocturnal raptor, Kohistani being able to tont even little owls.
This book is great in details and experiences shared...:supz:
Sandeep, How Is Sirdar Mohamed Osman ? This great falconer is still living today ?
Many Regards !

[EagleMan]

Indian MHE Female at nest.

[Pete J.]

That's a great looking individual specimen! Thanks for sharing that pic.

[Sokoly]

WOW a true beauty :supz:

[EagleMan]

no problem! Just went into these two Taiwanese MHE fotos the other day......

They look very similar to the japanese subspecies, isn't it ?
Regards

[AccipiterFreak]

I see many posts about MHE ,but no one seems to be hunting it successfully. I have read from Korean history report ,once a white MHE was sent to Chinese emperor as his annual tribute,but there is only faint report about falconry practise in Korea.Now they are technically extinct species over here ,but I hear informer sightings time to time.I am very curious about them as a falconey bird.

Do you mean something like this? My Chinese fellow falconer just send me this one.

[EagleMan]

Priceless image...

[MaeBoy]

Hello Anthony.
Its good to hear from you again!
I have only read the report. I guess it was an albino.

Do you mean something like this? My Chinese fellow falconer just send me this one.

[EagleMan]

japanese falconer along female MHE

[EagleMan]

Inside human enclosure...

[MaeBoy]

DO anybody think MHE orientalis are capable of nailing 12kg + chinese water deer?

[Takajo]

Yeah, if you pumped it up with pcp. Leave the golden to that, and then only if the deer's a baby.

[Takajo]

japanese falconer along female MHE
No one's legally allowed to hunt with MHEs in Japan except for this man (unfair really). He's a national living treasure. I wonder if we can sell him on e-bay:roll:
Same goes for goldens unfortunately.

[CanadaManada]

japanese falconer along female MHE

This man does not have a flying MHE now. The Japanese govt will not let him take another wild bird and they will not give him one from teh govt breeding program near here.
The pigeon men and antis have gotten their claws into the appropriate people in govt and made their case against him. I spoke to him a while back, and the govt may be taking away his right to free fly eagles in the future, leaving large eagles 100% off limits for falconry in Japan.
This can be squarely blamed on a couple of the falconry shops who's owners travel abroad to falconry fairs and make deals to buy large eagles that are then sold on to anyone and I mean ANYONE who can pony up $10,000+. I've heard a couple of horror stories involving loose eagles and small, expensive dogs. I know who I blame for the problem.

Justin

[Takajo]

Yup. That shop would either be Habatake in ***uoka (hilarious, I can't type 福岡in English, machine thinks I'm typing "screw you o.k.?") or Mokinya? Both of those shops are staffed with some freaky characters.

[EagleMan]

Yeah, if you pumped it up with pcp. Leave the golden to that, and then only if the deer's a baby.

Sincerely I belive than an adult female MHE orientalis can take any 12 kilo chinese water deer.
Some of these female are as large as any golden eagle male.
And compared to those smaller japanese golden eagle, I'll take anytine an female kumataka MHE to a golden eagle.
I'm curious to know how big are their talons compared with a golden eagle.
I presume there is not much difference.

[EagleMan]

No one's legally allowed to hunt with MHEs in Japan except for this man (unfair really). He's a national living treasure. I wonder if we can sell him on e-bay:roll:
Same goes for goldens unfortunately.

Hello Takajo !
I heard that several times, and I'm prety confused...
I know that japanese people are conservative and respetfull to their arts like traditions.
Alongside arts like, Cha no yu, Aikido, Karate, Kyu-do, Sumo and other arts there is the falconry art of Japan named Takagari.
This time tested tradition is a genuine japanese way of falconry.
For example japanese are the only people who hunted with MHE for several hundred years.
Now you tell ma that the japanese government reject hawking with Kumataka ?
How come that this situation degenerated so much ?
A tradition like that is not supported by your government ?
Why?
I know that japanese MHE populations are safe and stable, with 1 000 breeding pairs (I presume that this is the maximum number of MHE pairs that can be supported by japanese environment in terms of prey and area for breeding). So in this case a number of 3-4 birds taken from the nest with government permission, will tot threat the MHE's future and will keep theis unique and special tradition alive, isn't that ?
Best Regards

[AccipiterFreak]

DO anybody think MHE orientalis are capable of nailing 12kg + chinese water deer?
these are the smaller N. n. fokiensis that killed a 37 inches in length, and between 10 and 18 kg (22-40 pounds) in weighs Formosan Reeves's Muntjac (Muntiacus reevesi). This might answer your question.

[Takajo]

What does a Chinese water deer look like? I'm imagining long legs?
As far as why the government disallows hunting with larger raptors;They are large and may kill the neighbors' baby I believe is the reasoning. Larger raptors require a dangerous animals license just to keep them in a mews. So these dumb-a ss dealers dealing eagles are making eagles live in despondent, unhealthy conditions. They know the eagle will NEVER get exercise (as they're not allowed to be flown outside) but they also know that irresponsible money spenders will gladly fork it over. Shops such as HABATAKE and MOKINYA, as well as pretty much ANY dealer in Japan.

[MaeBoy]

I have no experience with eagles. I have seen few clips of golden eagles catching roe deer ,and in Korea there are good number of guys hunting them with dogs lamping at night. they seem to trip,and fall when connected while running. unlike hare hawking with gos once they fall secured around the neck they cant jump around. I heard MHEs have surprisingly strong grip,and they will never let go I think they have good chance to become a decent hawk for water deer.

[Takajo]

Hmm. Tiny legs. Tiny..:lol:little........:P..legs:twisted:

[EagleMan]

Friends, roe deer can be capurated even by harris hawk (not killed of course)
I remeber that someone caughta roe deer in Opocno falconry festival, in last years.
Not to mention that in India-Pakistan, once they used sakers and goshawks for the same job...

So I have no doubt that an MHE, can even kill a full grown roe deer.
Regards

[MaeBoy]

I am not sure about that.....
roe deer are much bigger,than water deer .
Using sakers ,and gos you need a trained dog to finnish the job.
hawk will only blind or slow the deer.
I had a male harris caught a fox if I got to the bird 1o seconds late it could have been the opposite story.... I wouldnt say he is a `fox hawk`
Friends, roe deer can be capurated even by harris hawk (not killed of course)
I remeber that someone caughta roe deer in Opocno falconry festival, in last years.
Not to mention that in India-Pakistan, once they used sakers and goshawks for the same job...

So I have no doubt that an MHE, can even kill a full grown roe deer.
Regards

[Takajo]

Yes, but although the roe deer have heinously long fangs, I don't think the hawk-eagle;) would have too much of a problem

[EagleMan]

I am not sure about that.....
roe deer are much bigger,than water deer .
Using sakers ,and gos you need a trained dog to finnish the job.
hawk will only blind or slow the deer.
I had a male harris caught a fox if I got to the bird 1o seconds late it could have been the opposite story.... I wouldnt say he is a `fox hawk`

Of course, I never claimed that the gos, harris and saker can kill an deer....to blind it or harassing.
Anyway a female MHE can kill any red deer.

[HallBeck]

Of course, I never claimed that the gos, harris and saker can kill an deer....to blind it or harassing.
Anyway a female MHE can kill any red deer.

Don't think there is an eagle out there that would kill an adult Red Deer!

Yes, but although the roe deer have heinously long fangs, I don't think the hawk-eagle;) would have too much of a problem

Never seen a Roe Deers with fangs!

[Thistle]

Don't think there is an eagle out there that would kill an adult Red Deer!

Never seen a Roe Deer with fangs!

Quit it HallBeck, I've wet me pants !! :oops::lol:

Chuckle. Meanwhile the boys were traversing the high mountains in fantasy land, a dangerous place chock full of strange creatures, eagles and goblins, fire breathing dragons and herds of sabre toothed deer. Then we heard an enraged bellow from above us. It was a stag. The gnashing of his fangs could clearly be heard echoing right across the valley. As we hurried up the rock strewn slope for a better vantage point, we caught a glimpse of them - the silhouette of two creatures struggling, locked in their mortal combat. This was clearly a vicious duel. To the death by the look of things. The large hawk eagle seemed bound fast to the red's antlers. Flap as he might, he just couldn't get airborne with his fantastic prize. Then just as the stag lowered his head it seemed the eagle would be thrown off, but no, we saw a much more remarkable thing. Something such as I've never seen, in my entire twenty years or more as a falconer.

Not before, nor since have I witnessed such a thing occur...

So, (as we're all clearly in fantasyland now) what happens next, fellas ?

[Pete J.]

.....Never seen a Roe Deers with fangs!

I think this was a typo about the Roe Deer with fangs. But that Chinese Water Deer does have fangs and I suspect that he meant the later.

[MaeBoy]

I understood what he was on about.
Korea is mainly covered with mountains ,and very thick woodlands.
everytime I go out hawking I run into water deer it is easier to find a water deer ,than a pheasant `coz pheasant will walk their way to thick woods before my dog makes a point. so I tought of hawking water deer with MHE . Most of video clips I have seen hawking roe deer with goldies needed huge space.
I think this was a typo about the Roe Deer with fangs. But that Chinese Water Deer does have fangs and I suspect that he meant the later.

[EagleMan]

Japanese MHE...

[EagleMan]

Kumataka head study

[MaeBoy]

Do people imprint them? I know Japanese falconers imprint them.
People prefer to imprint their birds for various of reasons ,if there is a MHE what is the main reason for imprinting?

[Sandeep]

This book is by far the most impressive declaration to falconry as an art that I ever read...
I receive this particular masterpiece a month ago and these days I finished reading it.
Regarding to MHE, the oresentation of Sirdar Mohamed Osman is marvellous. Conform to him this species of hawk eagle is a great bird to falconry.
He hunted for 5 or 6 years with a MHE female and the hunting experience must be read by all falconers and BOP fans...
His female, named Kohistani (Mountain Girl ) in local dialects, was a bird eager to hunt everything that moves, in particular the way he described the way in wich Kohistani managed to hunt and kill the Bengal Eagle Owl, is worth to be readed. Also he decalres that MHE is very agressive toward any nocturnal raptor, Kohistani being able to tont even little owls.
This book is great in details and experiences shared...:supz:
Sandeep, How Is Sirdar Mohamed Osman ? This great falconer is still living today ?
Many Regards !

Yes he is still very much alive and at the ripe age of 87...I think. But he has got very irritable and cranky at this age and refuses to meet people. I have a friend who meets him often and is in touch with him. I guess at his age its normal. He is living with his wife. I was told that he was releasing anotherr book called - Musings of an Afghan falconer.... No idea what happened to it...I am hoping it would release soon and also that it would be as entertaining as the other book....

Cheers
Sandeep

[EagleMan]

Japanese MHE

[MaeBoy]

Found this on the web.

[AccipiterFreak]

Found this on the web.

wow! is that a deer?

[MaeBoy]

Hello Anthony.
I think it is sika deer carcass ,this is Japanese Kumataka.
Sang.

wow! is that a deer?

[Takajo]

It's a shika (white loins). The Hawk Eagle does do carrion, though. I wonder what the circumstances of this photo were.:confused:

[Eagle-Eyrie]

Hawkeagle,
I would be very interested to hear your opinion and any experience you have of the African Hawk Eagle. I have been asked to train one and I have it in my possession now. It is this years bird , male , imprint and has a top weight of
3lb 2oz.The temperament appears to be excellent and the bird looks somewhere between a Redtail Buzzard and a Goshawk. I have been working on the bird for 5 days now and am impressed with its progress.
I will take some photographs today and post them here if that is ok with you.I do not wish to hijack your thread.
Best Wishes,
Neil.

there are threads on the african hawk eagles check them out to avoid reptition. i fly a female ahe and she s amazing. if you would like to know more pm me or reply to one of the threads.

good hawking

dylan

[Eagle-Eyrie]

Hawkeagle,
I would be very interested to hear your opinion and any experience you have of the African Hawk Eagle. I have been asked to train one and I have it in my possession now. It is this years bird , male , imprint and has a top weight of
3lb 2oz.The temperament appears to be excellent and the bird looks somewhere between a Redtail Buzzard and a Goshawk. I have been working on the bird for 5 days now and am impressed with its progress.
I will take some photographs today and post them here if that is ok with you.I do not wish to hijack your thread.
Best Wishes,
Neil.

there are threads on the african hawk eagles check them out to avoid reptition. i fly a female ahe and she s amazing. if you would like to know more pm me or reply to one of the threads. i have been flyng them for a few years and they are my fav species. have taken a good range of quarry and in good style as well. i feel they are perfectly suited to hunting hare and rabbits in europe! We have started an AFIRCAN HAWK EAGLE INTEREST GROUP in sa and if anyone is interested to recive our newsletter and mails please feel free to pm me and i will include you.

good hawking

dylan

[EagleMan]

Japanese MHE

[EagleMan]

Indian MHE

[Jorge Sales Lisboa]

there are threads on the african hawk eagles check them out to avoid reptition. i fly a female ahe and she s amazing. if you would like to know more pm me or reply to one of the threads. i have been flyng them for a few years and they are my fav species. have taken a good range of quarry and in good style as well. i feel they are perfectly suited to hunting hare and rabbits in europe! We have started an AFIRCAN HAWK EAGLE INTEREST GROUP in sa and if anyone is interested to recive our newsletter and mails please feel free to pm me and i will include you.

good hawking

dylan


Hello

At the moment I have flying a Ornate Hawk Eagle. Is this group is only African Hawk Eagle , or all species of Hawk Eagle.

Greetings.

Jorge

[EagleMan]

According to the wildlife photographers, these two pics depict the different subspecies of MHE to be found in India.

First the Nipalensis nipalenssis subspecies from Kumoain district in Himalaya
http://www.indiabirds.net/images/gallery_birds/Mountain-Hawk-Eagle-up.jpg

Second the kelaarti ssp. to be found in kelrala provinces and Ceylon

http://www.indiabirds.net/content/MoreInfo.asp?ImgId=616&id=408

noticeable differences, isn't it ?
regards

[AccipiterFreak]

According to the wildlife photographers, these two pics depict the different subspecies of MHE to be found in India.

First the Nipalensis nipalenssis subspecies from Kumoain district in Himalaya
http://www.indiabirds.net/images/gallery_birds/Mountain-Hawk-Eagle-up.jpg

Second the kelaarti ssp. to be found in kelrala provinces and Ceylon

http://www.indiabirds.net/content/MoreInfo.asp?ImgId=616&id=408

noticeable differences, isn't it ?
regards
the strange thing is, S. n. n. should have long crest (http://ibc.hbw.com/ibc/phtml/votacio.phtml?idVideo=26726&Spizaetus_nipalensis, http://www.kailash96.com/tibet_animal/bird-img/28-3.jpg, http://www.thejunglelook.com/info/bird-info/mountain-hawk-eagle?DokuWiki=074490efe2134f8b68eb479532575b69) just like S. n. kelaarti. But in the foto, the first bird is a short crest form just like a southern Chinese/Taiwanese Spizaetus nipalensis fokiensis (http://www.tesri.gov.tw/content/manager/hodgson's_hawk_eagle.htm).

[EagleMan]

the strange thing is, S. n. n. should have long crest (http://ibc.hbw.com/ibc/phtml/votacio.phtml?idVideo=26726&Spizaetus_nipalensis, http://www.kailash96.com/tibet_animal/bird-img/28-3.jpg, http://www.thejunglelook.com/info/bird-info/mountain-hawk-eagle?DokuWiki=074490efe2134f8b68eb479532575b69) just like S. n. kelaarti. But in the foto, the first bird is a short crest form just like a southern Chinese/Taiwanese Spizaetus nipalensis fokiensis (http://www.tesri.gov.tw/content/manager/hodgson's_hawk_eagle.htm).

Hello Anthony !
You are tottaly right... this was my opinion too. From all my info nipalnsis nipalensis subspecies have a long crest and darker marks than the rest of the MHE subspecies. How ever the picture seems to be genuine, a image of an northindian bird taken by a indian photohgrapher.
Could be a older bird ?
Regards

[EagleMan]

Hello everybody !

According to this material , we have a new hawk eagle species !
The so calle ssp. Legge's Hawk eagle is in fact a new different hawk eagle species not a MHE ssp.
According to the authors of this study, there are numeorus and significant differences between MHE and Laegge's hawk eagle. Not only by size differencial but DNA too.
Take your time to analyse the material, it worths !

Regards

http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/2008/f/zt01792p066.pdf

[Bravo666]

the bird in the foto is not a japanese MHE, I think it is imported from SE Asia.
yes u are rite pale, that's javanese hawk eagle, not japanese, but javanese.
i got one of that raptor. that's specific raptor from endemic bird from java island. indonesian, SE asia.

[ReluctantTwitcher]

Hello everybody !

According to this material , we have a new hawk eagle species !
The so calle ssp. Legge's Hawk eagle is in fact a new different hawk eagle species not a MHE ssp.
According to the authors of this study, there are numeorus and significant differences between MHE and Laegge's hawk eagle. Not only by size differencial but DNA too.
Take your time to analyse the material, it worths !

Regards

http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/2008/f/zt01792p066.pdf

Hi Nicu,

Thanks a lot for the interesting news and the link, which I read with great interest. Given that they differed from MHEs
to such a large extent in so many aspects, the evidence for elevating the Sri Lankan hawk-eagles to full species status
seem very convincing indeed. So thanks for sharing!

Regards,
/Magnus

[EagleMan]

Hi Nicu,

Thanks a lot for the interesting news and the link, which I read with great interest. Given that they differed from MHEs
to such a large extent in so many aspects, the evidence for elevating the Sri Lankan hawk-eagles to full species status
seem very convincing indeed. So thanks for sharing!

Regards,
/Magnus

You are wellcome Magnus !
Happy New Year to you and to all forumists !:supz:

[ReluctantTwitcher]

You are wellcome Magnus !
Happy New Year to you and to all forumists !:supz:

Same to you! May the New Year bring you joy and keep you safe.

[Bravo666]

i created this tered so we can share and talk about this magnificebt raptor too. success
for example check out this japanese splendor in the snow!

this bird of mine,.javanese hawk eagle,...:)

[EagleMan]

this bird of mine,.javanese hawk eagle,...:)


Great bird you have there !
Javan Hawk Eagle is very much alike Mountain Hawk eagle.
What is the weight and sex of oyur bird?
Also what kind of quarry do you hunt with her/him?
And please post more pictures, if possible.
Regards

[EagleMan]

Hello Peter !
I think this is a picture of one of your MHE's ?
If that's so, it's a female ?
Regards

[Simon C]

Lovely birds.

[HawkEagle]

Hello Peter !
I think this is a picture of one of your MHE's ?
If that's so, it's a female ?
Regards

Yes indeed, but I released her back into the wild last year. She is a small female but the most powerful of all the mountain hawk eagles I have seen in Thailand.

[EagleMan]

Yes indeed, but I released her back into the wild last year. She is a small female but the most powerful of all the mountain hawk eagles I have seen in Thailand.

Small ?

She looks bigger than a bonneli's eagle...
In the pic she was in immature, or juvenile plumage ?
Regards !

[HawkEagle]

Small ?

She looks bigger than a bonneli's eagle...
In the pic she was in immature, or juvenile plumage ?
Regards !
Her fat weight was 1.9kgs deffinitely smaller than a bonelli's eagle. In the pic she was in her second year.

[EagleMan]

Thanks !
But I bet that the MHE is stronger than any bonelli's !:supz:

[EagleMan]

This is a new evidence about the presence of ssp. Spizaetus nipalenis orientalis int the Amur -Ussuri Region, from the far-east Siberian Taiga.
Un fortunately most of this material is writted in russian.
Maybe Siberia can give us a clue ?:supz:
Regards !

http://ecoclub.nsu.ru/raptors/RC/09/raptors_conservation_2007_9_pages_63_67.pdf

[EagleMan]

Stunning pics, but the description is wrong, this is not a MHE...
But it's an impressive creature anyway....

[Pete J.]

Which species would you call this one then? It certainly appears to be in the 'complex', at least superficially. I'll have to take a look at my books and see if I can figure out what it could be. I'm not that familiar with the various HEs from that area of the world. Several types seem to converge there.

[EagleMan]

Which species would you call this one then? It certainly appears to be in the 'complex', at least superficially. I'll have to take a look at my books and see if I can figure out what it could be. I'm not that familiar with the various HEs from that area of the world. Several types seem to converge there.


It's the "newest" member of hawk eagle clan. The Legge's Hawk Eagle, formerly known as the Southern India/Sri Lanka ssp (Spizaetus nipalensis kelaarti) has achieved a fully status as a species not a ssp.
His scientifical name is Nisaetus/Spizaetus kelaarti.
According to sutdies this hawk eagle has absolutely huge talon fosr it's size.
Regards

[AccipiterFreak]

Nicu my friend, these fotos look MHE to me:rolleyes:

sorry, just saw your new post! ok! it is not a MHE.

[Pete J.]

Nicu my friend, these fotos look MHE to me:rolleyes:

sorry, just saw your new post! ok! it is not a MHE.
It did to me too, but maybe we'll have to look at why they have it seperated out now according to his earlier post about that.:confused:
(Oops, just saw that his reference was to another hawk-eagles species altogether...not nipalensis).

[AccipiterFreak]

http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/2008/f/zt01792p066.pdf

[AccipiterFreak]

here are some update of the MHE orientalis bred in Hokaido Japan
http://www.city.kushiro.hokkaido.jp/icity/browser?ActionCode=content&ContentID=1143193519747&SiteID=0

[MaeBoy]

Can not understand a word....
,but just over 2000g I guess its a male bird.
Do you have any information about these birds in captivity laying another egg when removed? It seems these birds lay only one at a time.

[EagleMan]

Can not understand a word....
,but just over 2000g I guess its a male bird.
Do you have any information about these birds in captivity laying another egg when removed? It seems these birds lay only one at a time.

Me too !:lol:
Maybe an japanese forum member can give us a clue...
At that weight could be as well a small female...
In the wild an 3 eggs cluthc has been reported for a Japanese MHE pair.
So probably the other MHE ssp, can lay betwwn 1-3 eggs.
Who Knows for sure ?
Regards !

[AccipiterFreak]

the MHE in Taiwan lay voluntarily only single egg clutch so far.

[MaeBoy]

That bird was 4 months old from hatching the weight will probabily go down a bit by hte time it masters flying . I Think its a male orientalis.
I have read afew times that they only lay one egg at a time.
If the female bird is an imprint don't you think it will lay another one?
,or remate and lay another one??
PS; I really enjoyed the `land of the sun` book you recommended me to read. Thank you .

Me too !:lol:
Maybe an japanese forum member can give us a clue...
At that weight could be as well a small female...
In the wild an 3 eggs cluthc has been reported for a Japanese MHE pair.
So probably the other MHE ssp, can lay betwwn 1-3 eggs.
Who Knows for sure ?
Regards !

[EagleMan]

That bird was 4 months old from hatching the weight will probabily go down a bit by hte time it masters flying . I Think its a male orientalis.
I have read afew times that they only lay one egg at a time.
If the female bird is an imprint don't you think it will lay another one?
,or remate and lay another one??
PS; I really enjoyed the `land of the sun` book you recommended me to read. Thank you .

Hello MaeBoy !
I'm glad that you liked the book.
Its actually an testimony about the some of the greatest experiences that one can acheieve when living with raptors.

[MaeBoy]

I wish he wrote about the trainning part,and its temperement etc...
,but still I haven't seen any other book that covers that much about trained mountain hawkeagle. What I really want to know is what I can benefit from imprinting them `coz traditional Japanese falconers imprinted them,and I think there must be an important reason for doing that.
As far as I know of Golden eagles are imprinted mostly because of breeding issues.
Hello MaeBoy !
I'm glad that you liked the book.
Its actually an testimony about the some of the greatest experiences that one can acheieve when living with raptors.

[Eagle-Eyrie]

I wish he wrote about the trainning part,and its temperement etc...
,but still I haven't seen any other book that covers that much about trained mountain hawkeagle. What I really want to know is what I can benefit from imprinting them `coz traditional Japanese falconers imprinted them,and I think there must be an important reason for doing that.
As far as I know of Golden eagles are imprinted mostly because of breeding issues.

i fly an imprint african hawk eagle and have flown mainly imprinted eagles of different species. they do have a reputation for agression but i have found that if one is causious and alert the agession could be avoided. i have seen that the imprinted eagles deffinatly builds a stronger bond with the falconer and this assists in the hunt. i belive that imprints are probably easyer to encorage hunting larger quarries and one also has less of a chance of the eagle getting lost. i say all of this realiing that each falconer has different styles of training and each bird is an indevidual but from my experiences the imprinted eagles work for me! if one wanted to breed naturally from a particular bird i would suggest socially imprinting or creache rearing the eagle.

good hawking

dylan

[EagleMan]

The much alike philippine hawk eagle.
Here, an trained adult male.
Beautiful isn't ?:supz:

[MaeBoy]

They do look alike right??
I really can't tell the difference between hawkeagles.....

[CanadaManada]

I wish he wrote about the trainning part,and its temperement etc...
,but still I haven't seen any other book that covers that much about trained mountain hawkeagle. What I really want to know is what I can benefit from imprinting them `coz traditional Japanese falconers imprinted them,and I think there must be an important reason for doing that.
As far as I know of Golden eagles are imprinted mostly because of breeding issues.

Which book are you referring to?

Justin

[MaeBoy]

Hello Justin.
'Land of the sun' Do you know any book s ,that covers hunting,and training of MHE?

[MaeBoy]

i fly an imprint african hawk eagle and have flown mainly imprinted eagles of different species. they do have a reputation for agression but i have found that if one is causious and alert the agession could be avoided. i have seen that the imprinted eagles deffinatly builds a stronger bond with the falconer and this assists in the hunt. i belive that imprints are probably easyer to encorage hunting larger quarries and one also has less of a chance of the eagle getting lost. i say all of this realiing that each falconer has different styles of training and each bird is an indevidual but from my experiences the imprinted eagles work for me! if one wanted to breed naturally from a particular bird i would suggest socially imprinting or creache rearing the eagle.

good hawking

dylan
Hello Dylan.
I don't have much experience with imprints,and the first worry I picture is my bird going after something both of us are not sure what it is...
I am interested in imprinting large birds with more complex mentality.
I notice many golden eagles are imprinted not only for breeding issues,also the falconer prefers it. Could you tell me some stories about your imprint eagles?

[EagleMan]

Maeboy, do you like it ?
Maybe someday you will carry the same MHE on fist, lookong for water deer !:supz:

[MaeBoy]

Thank you Nicu.
Are those orientalis found anywhere other than Japan?
The gentleman in the picture is the last traditional falconer with MHE in Japan right? Do you have any information about him ,and his falconry??

[Blueagle]

Also one of the great Philippine raptors and here's another photo.

Philippine Hawk-Eagle

[EagleMan]

Thank you Nicu.
Are those orientalis found anywhere other than Japan?
The gentleman in the picture is the last traditional falconer with MHE in Japan right? Do you have any information about him ,and his falconry??

Hello Mae Boy !

The orientalis ssp is to be found outside Japan only in Ussuriland from Russian siberian taiga, and in the northern part of China.
I think it's near impossible for anyone to import one of these raptor from Japan, because this species is protected under a severe regime by nipon authorithy.
I suppose it will be easier for you to import a big nipalensis female from India or China. Definetely she will be able to kill on spot those water deers or large hares.
Succes !
Regards
I will try to find more about the last kumataka takagari in Japan.

[EagleMan]

What is your opinion, taiwanese or japanese ?
regards !

[MaeBoy]

Thank you Nicu.
So orientalis are found out side Japan.
I don't know much about these MHE ,but from what I have read orientalis are much bigger than others,and birds from cold climates are usually better for falconry purposes.
One in the picture looks like Japanese orientalis to me.
What I notice ,they have longer beaks and heads.
Regards.

[EagleMan]

Love it's in the air .....:lol:

[MusketMad]

My mate has just aquired a mountain hawk eagle ,..Im going up to have a look at it in the next couple of days..ill see if i can get a few photos ...

[Bazwalla]

I have just seen pics of Mountain Hawk Eagle,a remarkable looking bird.Iam new to forum,if you have time could you tell me more on tthese birds also my friend used to get passage Gosses from your part of world I would like to know if trapping is still carried on.I have handeled many passage birds and much prefer them,I will be intereasted in you reply, regards Bazwalla

[EagleMan]

Note the size difference , female is much bigger, wich mean that this species
is a great hunter...

[EagleMan]

This is the nipaleniss ssp.
Pics were taken in northern Thailand.

[AccipiterFreak]

What is your opinion, taiwanese or japanese ?
regards !
:confused::confused:can't tell from this foto. after years of looking at MHE fotos, orientalis and fokiensis are so difficult to discriminate in adult plumage. fokiensis might have longer creast then the orientalis, but it could be minimum. the bigest difference is in the juv plumage, the orientalis juv have the plumage of a 3rd yr fokiensis, except the tail bars.

[Bazwalla]

Occasionaly I have seen Hawkeagles for sale at Bird market in Karachi if the unfortunate bird is not rescued it dies.yhey could not understand me when Iwent and actually bought beef to feed birds,Shikra,Hobby,littlesparrowhawk,eurospa,Lugge r,Bonnelies eagle,Basha and others.If they are not Falcons or wanted as Baracks,they have no value.

[EagleMan]

Occasionaly I have seen Hawkeagles for sale at Bird market in Karachi if the unfortunate bird is not rescued it dies.yhey could not understand me when Iwent and actually bought beef to feed birds,Shikra,Hobby,littlesparrowhawk,eurospa,Lugge r,Bonnelies eagle,Basha and others.If they are not Falcons or wanted as Baracks,they have no value.

Hello !
What kind of hawk eahles were to be selled ?
Changeable, I suppose.....
MHE is not breeding anymore in Pakistan ?

[EagleMan]

Hello everybody !

Iis this a juv. MHE or a juv CHE ?

I suppose it's a MHE...

[EagleMan]

Another proof regarding MHE's hunting monkeys in Japan.
The text is in PDF...
Enjoy !

http://www.journalarchive.jst.go.jp/english/jnlabstract_en.php?cdjournal=jjo1986&cdvol=47&noissue=3&startpage=125

[MaeBoy]

Hello Nicu.
Do you have any information about the Japanese falconer who used to fly MHE? It looked he used to imprint his birds I am curious about his methods.

[EagleMan]

Japanese MHE in some zoo enclosure

[MaeBoy]

Orientalis I guess.
I don`t know why theres no one in this forum who flies one of these MHE
,and have a digital camera to post pictures ,and stories....

[Sandeep]

Hello everybody !

Iis this a juv. MHE or a juv CHE ?

I suppose it's a MHE...


To the best of my knowledge its a CHE .... I have kept a few. But they come in varied colours. Within India itself there are so many different shades you get them in that its hard to believe.

[EagleMan]

To the best of my knowledge its a CHE .... I have kept a few. But they come in varied colours. Within India itself there are so many different shades you get them in that its hard to believe.

Could be possible to be a CHE.. his big head and beak makes me think that could be a MHE

REGARDS !

[EagleMan]

Orientalis I guess.
I don`t know why theres no one in this forum who flies one of these MHE
,and have a digital camera to post pictures ,and stories....


I don't think too that someone on this forum fly an orientalis MHE...

I doubts about japanese falconers who currently train this raptors (I might be wrong, of course).
But I suppose that in India, Pakistan and more surely mainland China an Taiwan, there are some austringers who actually hint with MHE'S...

Regards !

[Sandeep]

Could be possible to be a CHE.. his big head and beak makes me think that could be a MHE

REGARDS !

To be honest... i am certain its a CHE....

[EagleMan]

To be honest... i am certain its a CHE....

Ok, Ok, I give up !:grin: you'v seen both species for real, I cannot beat you at this stage...:lol::D

Regards

[Sara.B]

hi.
what a beatuiful bird.

[EagleMan]

Another japanese MHE.
So strange, all the books claim that japanese ssp. has lighter cooured plumage than indian sssp.
Judging from this pic, is not like that...
This bird show nice plumage contrast.

[Pete J.]

It looks to be a bird just molting into it's first adult plumage and with many species this first adult plumage is often the most striking. In the years following this first adult plumage there is often a paling and fining of the plumage which will give it a softer, less flashy look.

[Maxell]

With those coloured eyes and plumge I would think this is a fully mature bird 5+ years old.

[Turumti]

Occasionaly I have seen Hawkeagles for sale at Bird market in Karachi if the unfortunate bird is not rescued it dies.yhey could not understand me when Iwent and actually bought beef to feed birds,Shikra,Hobby,littlesparrowhawk,eurospa,Lugge r,Bonnelies eagle,Basha and others.If they are not Falcons or wanted as Baracks,they have no value.

Hawk-eagles in the Karachi Market?? Little sparrowhawk - what subspecies is this? Bonelli's eagles? When did you see all these birds. Do you have any pics of these birds that you saw there?

[Pavel Yakimov]

Hi guys!

Any oppinion regarding the Bonelli's Eagle?


Regards,
Pavel

[Sandeep]

Hi guys!

Any oppinion regarding the Bonelli's Eagle?


Regards,
Pavel

AWESOME birds.... An excellent bird to have specially if you have the right land to fly it.

Cheers

[Eagle-Eyrie]

hi guys

i do think in the right hands and with suitable quarry the bonellis is a formidable preditor. i have never had one or seen but from research i have heard that they are well suited to falconry. i can compare my female ahe as a superb hunter if offered quality slips and setups, terrain can effect the flight and it takes a commitment and understanding to achive good results. i am in the process of editing a hawk eagle newslwetter and would like to include the mountain in one issue could someone pm me if interested in writing up something at least i could include photos of subspecies or colour morphs. i would gladly appreciate any imput. there is an interesting article on the bonellis in our last issue of the newsletter for those that have recieved it.


good hawking

dylan

[Pavel Yakimov]

Thank you for the oppinion, guys! There is an slide opprotunety to obtain one or two and start thinking of the way how to use them in the hunt. I hadn't have the chance to hunt with them, being a longwinger, thought seen few. But would like to try with these.
In their environment they chase and catch pigeons, partridges and etc. I think there will be no problem with a pheasant for the male or hare (we don't have rabbits) for the female? What do you think?
Eagle-Eyrie, if you want to write about eagles I would recomend to get in contact with one of our colleagues in IAF - Bahit Karnakbaev (Baha). He is the President of the Kazakh Falconer's Club. There is one particular man there, called Alik (Abdelhak), which for our modern world is something very very precious. Just tell me if you are interested.

Regards!

[MaeBoy]

Any one flying one of these birds this year???
I hear from here ,and there ,but no one really posting photos,or stories...

[Yarak28]

are there any one flying a mhe in europe and also are there breeding them?
i love the threads that talk about hawkeagles and eagles.its a shame here in the us that theres not allot of ambition to fly deferent birds like hawkeagles. when i was a apprentice i went to my first meet and saw a ornate and that was love at first site and been trying to get one for last teen years.i remember
seeing a mhe in a japanese zoo.about ten years ago.

[Pete J.]

are there any one flying a mhe in europe and also are there breeding them?
i love the threads that talk about hawkeagles and eagles.its a shame here in the us that theres not allot of ambition to fly deferent birds like hawkeagles. when i was a apprentice i went to my first meet and saw a ornate and that was love at first site and been trying to get one for last teen years.i remember
seeing a mhe in a japanese zoo.about ten years ago.
Most of the reason you don't hear much about them being flown here is because there are very few hawkeagles here at all! There are probably less then 10 Bonnellis, about that many OHEs, until very recently there were no AHEs (but there are a few now). Part of the reason is because there isn't much incentive to breed them in captivity because they mature slowly, and produce very limited number of young (1 or 1 every OTHER year). And of course, that makes them very expensive if you wanted to buy a captive produced one. The rules for importing now are so ridiculously strict that getting birds from the wild in countries where they are common enough just isn't making the situation any better.
So I guess we just have to appreciate those they get to fly them in their native countries primarily, which is better than nothing right?

[Yarak28]

hi pete
were do you live?im in las vegas might be moving back to cali. ya i guess it bums me out though especially when there are some that are being breed here. like the ornate ya it takes about a year to start working with them but it dosnt mean that there not a good falconry bird it just mean that it will take a little time.it just stinks thats the only guys that are pretty financially set can only afford them.i do agree with you about the coast of some of these birds but still they don't need to be price that hi .don't get me wrong if i had the money for one i would defiantly have one.

do you know any one breeding any hawkeagles other than mark m?


thanks happy hawking

[Pete J.]

hi pete
were do you live?im in las vegas might be moving back to cali. ya i guess it bums me out though especially when there are some that are being breed here. like the ornate ya it takes about a year to start working with them but it dosnt mean that there not a good falconry bird it just mean that it will take a little time.it just stinks thats the only guys that are pretty financially set can only afford them.i do agree with you about the coast of some of these birds but still they don't need to be price that hi .don't get me wrong if i had the money for one i would defiantly have one.

do you know any one breeding any hawkeagles other than mark m?


thanks happy hawking
I'm not even sure if Mark still has them...seems I heard something about them being moved on from his place. I don't know where the newest arrivals (AHEs) went, I just know that they came in. I'm not much in touch with those sorts of birds....I'm more of a small falcon and goshawk guy.

[MaeBoy]

So I guess we just have to appreciate those they get to fly them in their native countries primarily, which is better than nothing right?[/quote]

I don't see anyone posting about MHE.
few stories about hunting hawkeagles were not from their native countries either....

[EagleMan]

So I guess we just have to appreciate those they get to fly them in their native countries primarily, which is better than nothing right?

I don't see anyone posting about MHE.
few stories about hunting hawkeagles were not from their native countries either....[/QUOTE]

From what I know, there are some austringers in Spain and U.K. who currently fly MHE... i don't know abut the situation in USA and Asia.
Maybe some of them are already users on IFF...

[MaeBoy]

I don't see anyone posting about MHE.
few stories about hunting hawkeagles were not from their native countries either....




I think so too. there has to be some one...
specially from China they have been using them since the biggining of falconry history.

[Yarak28]

i just came across a pic of a indian mhe it looks pretty awesome does any one know if the what one is bigger indian or the japanese mhe.hay pete i came across heeros thread and he did a great jobs and your support.i would love to fly che or any h.e.

[EagleMan]

i just came across a pic of a indian mhe it looks pretty awesome does any one know if the what one is bigger indian or the japanese mhe.hay pete i came across heeros thread and he did a great jobs and your support.i would love to fly che or any h.e.


Hello, this is not a MHE. In the past was regarded as a ssp of MHE, wich currently inhabits southern India and Ceylon.
Today was recognised a s a new species called Kelaart Hawk eagle aka. Nisaetus kelaarti.
It's smaller even than Indian MHE, but has considerably bigger toes and talons and a taller, longer beak, add thsi to increased agility and this species ahas a huge potential in falconry.

[Pavel Yakimov]

Hi, guys! Hi, Pete J.!

I know of a guy breeding 5 chicks per season from a pair of Bonelli's. A real ones I mean!
I think it is the same like with the falcons. If you make the correct egg pulling you could have bigger number of chicks. Of course, this will be like "over milking" of a cow :) but it depends on you. The birds by nature has its limited number of eggs in her and no matter how you take them - eggpulling for 5 years or normally for up to 10 - will be almost the same.
Regarding the maturity of the HE's and especially the Bonellis' I know of a case with female B'sE which laid her first egg on her 2-nd year. I was thinking that this is a joke but when the new owner called and said that to a friend of mine I was shocked.

Regards,
Pavel

Most of the reason you don't hear much about them being flown here is because there are very few hawkeagles here at all! There are probably less then 10 Bonnellis, about that many OHEs, until very recently there were no AHEs (but there are a few now). Part of the reason is because there isn't much incentive to breed them in captivity because they mature slowly, and produce very limited number of young (1 or 1 every OTHER year). And of course, that makes them very expensive if you wanted to buy a captive produced one. The rules for importing now are so ridiculously strict that getting birds from the wild in countries where they are common enough just isn't making the situation any better.
So I guess we just have to appreciate those they get to fly them in their native countries primarily, which is better than nothing right?

[Pete J.]

Hi, guys! Hi, Pete J.!

I know of a guy breeding 5 chicks per season from a pair of Bonelli's. A real ones I mean!
I think it is the same like with the falcons. If you make the correct egg pulling you could have bigger number of chicks. Of course, this will be like "over milking" of a cow :) but it depends on you. The birds by nature has its limited number of eggs in her and no matter how you take them - eggpulling for 5 years or normally for up to 10 - will be almost the same.
Regarding the maturity of the HE's and especially the Bonellis' I know of a case with female B'sE which laid her first egg on her 2-nd year. I was thinking that this is a joke but when the new owner called and said that to a friend of mine I was shocked.

Regards,
Pavel
Hi Pavel,
Thanks for that information. I suspected that both Bonellis and AHEs would probably be able to produce better. The others seem to have that production of one a year or every other year. I figured that most of them mature for reproduction at about their third year on average, which isn't that much worse than your typical Goshawk or even some of the larger falcons. Some Gyrfalcons can take many many years to become egg layers, but fortunately they do lay a good sized clutch when they do eventually start laying.
I think that obviously the reproductive issue is not the only thing standing in their way. Most of the prey we have available can be taken by RTs, Harris', Goshawks, Ferruginous, so there is really little incentive to invest in something that is a bit larger and much more powerful for the same basic quarries. Of course, you could catch geese and perhaps the significantly larger and stronger white-tailed jackrabbits that are often a tough quarry to handle for the smaller birds. But, those quarries often live in the north and are most available in the winter and many of the HEs are tropical and subtropical in origin and won't appreciate the cold weather. The Mountain and Bonelli and AHE probably would do fine though. I'm guessing that the Ornates, Blyths, Changeables probably wouldn't like it to well though.
It would be nice if they were more readily available though. I do like their look, build and some of their demeanors.

[EagleMan]

Has any of you any ideea about the total version of thos video ?
I'm happy to discover that the centuries old tradition of hawking with MHE in Japan, did not tottaly dissapeared.
Great speed and maneuvrability for a bird at this size...I suppose it's an female orientalis. Those who know this raptor better than me can confirm or not...
Enjoy...

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.

[Yarak28]

thanks eagleman great vid
to me the mhe look pretty fast and agile for a large bird.i love hawkeagles.
thanks sean

[Pavel Yakimov]

Hi, guys!

Nice video, mate! Thank you!

In nature the Bonellis Eagles catch chukars, mountain partridges, pigeons and etc. It is really amazing how these birds perform in the air. They are capable of unbelievable maneuvers!!! One of the reason I love The Bonelli!!!

Dear Pete J., I am pretty sure about the Bonelli that this bird will not have the problem with the cold like some of the HE we talk about. Another thing I am considering as advantage about the cold weather is where the chick HE has being hatched and raised. I think this is another important issue. What do you think?

Regards,

Pavel

[Robert J Penney]

Has any of you any ideea about the total version of thos video ?
I'm happy to discover that the centuries old tradition of hawking with MHE in Japan, did not tottaly dissapeared.
Great speed and maneuvrability for a bird at this size...I suppose it's an female orientalis. Those who know this raptor better than me can confirm or not...
Enjoy...

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA7oDmau-mc)
It looks like a gigantic Gos there!! LOL:lol:

[Mark Collins]

Fine looking bird, as Rob says just like a big gos, awesome.

[Pete J.]

Hi, guys!

Nice video, mate! Thank you!

In nature the Bonellis Eagles catch chukars, mountain partridges, pigeons and etc. It is really amazing how these birds perform in the air. They are capable of unbelievable maneuvers!!! One of the reason I love The Bonelli!!!

Dear Pete J., I am pretty sure about the Bonelli that this bird will not have the problem with the cold like some of the HE we talk about. Another thing I am considering as advantage about the cold weather is where the chick HE has being hatched and raised. I think this is another important issue. What do you think?

Regards,

Pavel
Pavel,
I'm sure the Bonelli would not have issues with colder temps at all, but there are very few HE that occur north of the sub-tropics. The Mountain HE is another one that can definitely handle the cold. Perhaps some of the South American HE's from very high up in the mountains would be better for cold than the ones we are more familiar with from that area (Ornates, Black and White, Black HEs). It might be that there are higher elevation populations of these same HEs there?
ATB,
Pete J.

[EagleMan]

I like the way they attach the jesses to the bird...
I'm glad to see that this old tradition did not dissapeared for good...
I'm just curious about how many japanesses carry up in these days the hunting with their huge MHE...

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.

[Pavel Yakimov]

Hi Pavel,
Thanks for that information. I suspected that both Bonellis and AHEs would probably be able to produce better. The others seem to have that production of one a year or every other year. I figured that most of them mature for reproduction at about their third year on average, which isn't that much worse than your typical Goshawk or even some of the larger falcons. Some Gyrfalcons can take many many years to become egg layers, but fortunately they do lay a good sized clutch when they do eventually start laying.
I think that obviously the reproductive issue is not the only thing standing in their way. Most of the prey we have available can be taken by RTs, Harris', Goshawks, Ferruginous, so there is really little incentive to invest in something that is a bit larger and much more powerful for the same basic quarries. Of course, you could catch geese and perhaps the significantly larger and stronger white-tailed jackrabbits that are often a tough quarry to handle for the smaller birds. But, those quarries often live in the north and are most available in the winter and many of the HEs are tropical and subtropical in origin and won't appreciate the cold weather. The Mountain and Bonelli and AHE probably would do fine though. I'm guessing that the Ornates, Blyths, Changeables probably wouldn't like it to well though.
It would be nice if they were more readily available though. I do like their look, build and some of their demeanors.



Actually about this i think you have to find information about one of our Spanish colleagues, Fernando I think, who made a revolution according to my opinion. For a breeding project from wild pair he start producing few chicks per year. Not one, not two, but few. So I think this Gentleman is good source for some reliable information.

[Pavel Yakimov]

It would be nice if they were more readily available though. I do like their look, build and some of their demeanors.

They are. But you need to look for breeders and availability...!

[Pete J.]

They are. But you need to look for breeders and availability...!
I know that the availability is getting better, slowly but surely. But I'm getting older and my desire to have one is waning. I'm sure the list for any HE over here is quite long as they believe, like most places, that bigger is better. Prices are insanely high for them as a consequence. And some people that want them do not even have proper quarry for them and would only be able to fly them on game if they traveled extensively to other parts of the country. Not that where I live would be particularly ideal for them either, although we do not have a particular shortage of hares (jackrabbits). The habitat that the hares are in though can be challenging as they tend to hang out in relatively thick brushy areas and the hares really know how to use this cover to defeat most raptors. With any luck sometime soon someone nearby will actually get one that they will hunt with so I can see what they would be like.

[Pavel Yakimov]

So, does it mean that you don't want BE anymore? :))

[Pete J.]

So, does it mean that you don't want BE anymore? :))
I wouldn't go quite that far. But I am trying to be realistic.:cool:

[AccipiterFreak]

the sad thing is, every year, tens of thousands of birds of prey were slaughtered in southern China as bush meat, including many mountain hawk eagles, Bonelli's Eagles, red-naped shaheens, peregrines, and all the dream birds.............:cry::cry: in Taiwan many mountain hawk eagle were shot for their feathers.........:cry::cry::
(too bad, I can only cry 4 times)

[EagleMan]

the sad thing is, every year, tens of thousands of birds of prey were slaughtered in southern China as bush meat, including many mountain hawk eagles, Bonelli's Eagles, red-naped shaheens, peregrines, and all the dream birds.............:cry::cry: in Taiwan many mountain hawk eagle were shot for their feathers.........:cry::cry::
(too bad, I can only cry 4 times)


Despite all the taiwanese ornithiologists efforts, those tribal communityes still kill MHE's for their feathers ?
Too sad....
In this situation, what do think about the long term survival of this species in Taiwan?

Regarding mainland China....what chan I say more... hundreds of millions of people... most of them illiterated and unneducated, who don't consider protection of Nature and Wildlife a piority....not to mention the shortage of food from that area... History of the World showed in several ocassion that humans will kill each other for food, not to mention some wild birds..even raptors...

let's keep the hope alive, folks...

Regards

[Pavel Yakimov]

the sad thing is, every year, tens of thousands of birds of prey were slaughtered in southern China as bush meat, including many mountain hawk eagles, Bonelli's Eagles, red-naped shaheens, peregrines, and all the dream birds.............:cry::cry: in Taiwan many mountain hawk eagle were shot for their feathers.........:cry::cry::
(too bad, I can only cry 4 times)

Wooow...! Come on, man! This can't be truth...! For feathers and food? This is horrible!

[Martyn]

Perhaps somebody should show these starving people how to train the He to catch food for them instead of eating them

[AccipiterFreak]

the problem is non of these people eat or pluck the feather of these birds of prey because they are hungry or starving. Actually they are expensive in the market. The southern Chinese, especially the Cantonese eat the hawk eagles because they think birds of prey will bring magical benefit for their health. The feather problem is because the tradition has been destroyed. traditionally, only the noble class or great hunter of Paiwan tribe could wear the headdress w/ hawkeagle flight feathers, but nowadays, any Paiwan has the money can put hawk eagle flight feathers on their headdress.

[Pavel Yakimov]

Sad! Somebody has to show them the other side of the coin!

[Pavel Yakimov]

I wouldn't go quite that far. But I am trying to be realistic.:cool:

In this case I would say: "Reality has nothing to do with the possibilities" :)

[Pavel Yakimov]

Guys, one question - which one is best for hunting - Bonellis' Eagle (the Northern population, i.e. South EU) or the African Hawk Eagle?

[EagleMan]

It seem that the pasion for hawking with MHE, don't disappear too easy from Japan.
This man, imported the indian ssp and train it even for people flight.
Enjoy the pics from the link bellow

http://blog.goo.ne.jp/kecha2/e/d80bc3ed20be415a5eaf1b1594ea3d29

[CanadaManada]

I like the way they attach the jesses to the bird...
I'm glad to see that this old tradition did not dissapeared for good...
I'm just curious about how many japanesses carry up in these days the hunting with their huge MHE...

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAiElxij2Ew)

None.
Unfortunately Matsubara-san, the man in the video will be the last to fly one. The bird in the video is no longer active, I think, and the govt will not let Matsubara-san take any more.
I've spent th greater part of 2 years searching for a replacement from abroad for Matsubara-san. I've been 100% unsuccessful. He's such a great man. Really funny and totally practical about his falconry.

Justin

[AccipiterFreak]

try southern China, like Guangdong. so many mountain hawk eagles (both nominate and fokienis, even some orientalis) and Bonellie's eagles were sold for less than 200 USD a bird as bush meat. save as many as you can.......

[CanadaManada]

try southern China, like Guangdong. so many mountain hawk eagles (both nominate and fokienis, even some orientalis) and Bonellie's eagles were sold for less than 200 USD a bird as bush meat. save as many as you can.......

This being Japan, I have to be sure everything is done legally.

Justin

[Daz H]

anyone know what kinds of hawk eagles are found in vietnam as a mate is looking to buy one there

[Heeroyun]

anyone know what kinds of hawk eagles are found in vietnam as a mate is looking to buy one there

Is he a falconer in England travel to Vietnam or a Vietnamese?

I'm a Vietnameses and now flying a Changeable Hawk Eagle so I think I would know what he wants but I just want to make sure who he is.

[EagleMan]

MHE male, 3 years old, indian ssp.
Probably in Thailand , judging from the language spoken.
Awesome raptor....

YouTube- Mountain Hawk Eagle

[HallBeck]

MHE male, 3 years old, indian ssp.
Probably in Thailand , judging from the language spoken.
Awesome raptor....

YouTube- Mountain Hawk Eagle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGTkICslt0Q)

It might well be an awesome raptor - but its being kept in dreadful conditions. It would appear that its kept in one of those cages at the rear. Theres what looks like a Changeable in one of them.

Brave man not having a glove though.

[David.Gook]

Very nice looking bird mate

[HawkEagle]

MHE male, 3 years old, indian ssp.
Probably in Thailand , judging from the language spoken.
Awesome raptor....

YouTube- Mountain Hawk Eagle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGTkICslt0Q)

This is in Thailand and I know the guy. The bird has just been bought and it was probably fat that is why it doesnt grip his hand. Sadly, I knew him too late to tell him that you cant let it go. He thought his bird is tame and should be able to call back when release. Mistake, the bird flew away and never look back.

[MaeBoy]

It seem that the pasion for hawking with MHE, don't disappear too easy from Japan.
This man, imported the indian ssp and train it even for people flight.
Enjoy the pics from the link bellow

http://blog.goo.ne.jp/kecha2/e/d80bc3ed20be415a5eaf1b1594ea3d29

I though it is illegal to free fly a MHE in Japan.
I guess there is a good reason behind it ,but throwing a bird from a glove makes me wonder how much benefit it gives the falconer ,or the bird in reality
specially when I see the bird braking just to stay in balance before it starts to pump.

[Yoji]

Flying Hawkeagles are legal in Japan.

Nobody need any licence to fly Hawkeagles.

Because they are regarded as hawks.

Japanese call them "Kumataka" and taka means hawk.

Flying Eagles are not allowed by the law.

You need to get special permission to fly Golden Eagle or Bald Eagle or something like that.

Yoji.

[Yoji]

I think the reason why Japanese falconers cast their hawk is as follows.

Japanese falconers are allowed to release their hawk only when the flashed quarries are legal.

Hawks don't know if the flashed quarries are legal or illegal so she will try to chase after any quarries and hung from the fist of the falconer.

If the flashed quarries are illegal, the falconer is not allowed to release his hawk.

When the flasehd quarries are legal, the falconer can release his hawk but she is hung from his fist, so to give initial speed to the bird, the falconer step in and take his hawk back, then throw his hawk.

Yoji.

[ReluctantTwitcher]

I think the reason why Japanese falconers cast their hawk is as follows.

Japanese falconers are allowed to release their hawk only when the flashed quarries are legal.

Hawks don't know if the flashed quarries are legal or illegal so she will try to chase after any quarries and hung from the fist of the falconer.

If the flashed quarries are illegal, the falconer is not allowed to release his hawk.

When the flasehd quarries are legal, the falconer can release his hawk but she is hung from his fist, so to give initial speed to the bird, the falconer step in and take his hawk back, then throw his hawk.

Yoji.

Hi Yoji,

Thank you for your explanation. At first glance it does look a bit strange and counter-intuitive, but it makes perfect sense now.

Cheers,
/Magnus

[EagleMan]

Nisaetus nipalenis fokiensis, the second largest MHE ssp. It live in Taiwan, Hainan and probably southern continental China, I'm not sure about it...

Check out the huge back talons...

[MaeBoy]

I think the reason why Japanese falconers cast their hawk is as follows.

Japanese falconers are allowed to release their hawk only when the flashed quarries are legal.

Hawks don't know if the flashed quarries are legal or illegal so she will try to chase after any quarries and hung from the fist of the falconer.

If the flashed quarries are illegal, the falconer is not allowed to release his hawk.

When the flasehd quarries are legal, the falconer can release his hawk but she is hung from his fist, so to give initial speed to the bird, the falconer step in and take his hawk back, then throw his hawk.

Yoji.
Thank you Yoji.

I understand now I have seen many footage people just throwing the bird before it bates,and hangs the reason you kindly explained makes sense.

I heard the old man who was the master of falconry with mountain hawk eagle hunted mountain goats,fox as well with great success.
I guess MHEs do chase their quarry for long distance seeing other eagles hunting foxes flights were not that short.

Regards.
Sang

[EagleMan]

Detailed pics of nipalensis ssp. on this link below
Enjoy !

http://www.google.ro/imgres?imgurl=http://www.kimuhiro.sakura.ne.jp/homepagekimuhiroSakura/newbird146/newbird2910.2.600.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.kimuhiro.sakura.ne.jp/homepagekimuhiroSakura/newbird146/newbird2910.html&usg=__Y8Q_WZ1JygnXW3ypmUvUDCEei2c=&h=399&w=600&sz=33&hl=ro&start=728&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=cILjzzepyAJt5M:&tbnh=90&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%25E3%2582%25AF%25E3%2583%259E%25E3%2 582%25BF%25E3%2582%25AB%26start%3D720%26um%3D1%26h l%3Dro%26sa%3DN%26ndsp%3D20%26tbs%3Disch:1

[Falconry Favourites]

lovely bird mate

[Falconry_Fanatic]

hawk eagles really are magnificent bird... :twisted:

[Cautney Reich]

oh my... gosh!!....:heart: it took my breath away...soo stunning....:heart:

Yes , indeed, The Japanese Hawk Eagle is truly a magestic... a large magnificent bird....!! :heart:

99266 pic from farm4.static.flickr.com

[EagleMan]

Impressive specimen :supz:

[SolidLeo]

Nice pic EagleMan !!!!

Here's one more

[EagleMan]

Old photo depicting taiwanese tribesmen preparing to pull out the flight feathers of thir local race of MHE...
I know it's a sad photo, but Accipiterfreak can give more detail about this tradition..

[AccipiterFreak]

the tradition of using MHE flight feather is limited to the Paiwan and Rukai people of the southern Taiwan. traditionally, only the nobility family members, shamans and warriors that have success in head hunt have the right to wear headdress with MHE feather, because juv MHE primaries marking resemble the marking of the Chinese moccasin (Deinagkistrodon acutus), the deadest serpent in Taiwan and the legendary ancestor of the people. People think when the viper gets old, they become the eagle. the feather represent the connection between the people and the ancestor's spirit. In the old days, people snare the eagle unharmed, plug the feather and release the bird. Nowadays, lazy hunter use steal trap, which broke the tarsus on site, so the bird end up in the pot after the feather was plugged.
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy274/accipiterfreak/normal_1184519159.jpg
Since the influence of the outside world from Chinese, Japanese invaded the mountain area. The social hierarchy has lost it's ground. Many people goes to the city to earn cash and buy whatever they can afford. Any body with the money can buy MHE feather and put them in the headdress during the tradition events. now the number of MHE is so low that each MHE primaries cost 150-200 USD.

My Chinese colleague told me that some dealers even goes to southeast Asia and China to purchase MHE feathers. which also feather damage the survival of the species.

[Eagle-Eyrie]

VERY INTERESTING INFORMATION AND CANT BE SUSTAINABLE. AS YOU SAY IN THE OLD DAYS IT WAS RESTRICTIVE THUS ALLOWING THE POPULATION TO BE STABLE BUT AS YOU SAY NOW THAT ANYONE WITH THE MONEY CAN PURCHASE THE CONTRABAND AS WELL AS THE FACT THAT THE BIRD IS NOT RELEASED BUT INSTEAD EATEN THEN THIS IS DETRIMENTAL TO THE POPULATION OF MHE. INTERESTING TRADITION AND PITTY IT HAS LOST ITS PURITY. THANKS FOR SHARING

GOOD HAWKING

DYLAN

[Cackler]

I get too many raptors. I need help in their care. Can they be trained?
Please bear with the pictures.

[Pavel Yakimov]

Of course they can! You are in the Falconry World, dear one! Read and learn! There are many colleagues who can help you with info. Also I think at your place you could find people too.

Success in this noble field I wish!

[Blueagle]

I get too many raptors. I need help in their care. Can they be trained?
Please bear with the pictures.


I think you're holding a white-bellied sea eagle, a Philippine eagle-owl and a young giant Luzon bush-tail cloud rat on your shoulder nice collection of raptors and rare animals.

How's the population of Philippine eagles there in Luzon, Cagayan? Do you still see them in Cagayan?

Welcome to Falconry forum kabayan!

[HawkEagle]

I think the first pic is a Juv rufous bellied eagle.

[Pete J.]

I think the first pic is a Juv rufous bellied eagle.
I would agree with that.

[Cackler]

Thank you HawkEagle and Pete J.

Blueagle, there are no sightings of the Philippine Eagle in our part of Cagayan. There are a lot of serpent eagles and hawk eagles though.

Thank you for your warm welcome.

[Blueagle]

Thank you HawkEagle and Pete J.

Blueagle, there are no sightings of the Philippine Eagle in our part of Cagayan. There are a lot of serpent eagles and hawk eagles though.

Thank you for your warm welcome.

I see But there are still Philippine eagle sightings in Cagayan in Sierra Madre mounatin ranges area.
Link: http://ibc.lynxeds.com/video/great-philippine-eagle-pithecophaga-jefferyi/3-day-i-was-hamut-looking-rufous-hornbill-i-found

The one at the back cage of the first photo is a crested serpent eagle, Do you also have a Changeable Hawk-eagle or Philippine Hawk-eagle? (one of my fave raptor) But I think Hawk-eagles are not advisable for Falconry training esp. for beginners.

[Cackler]

Hi Blueagle:

I had two (2) Philippine Hawk Eagles and two (2) Changeable Hawk Eagles when I was just starting out. They were wounded. My doctor friend treated them and they were released nearly a month later. I do not know what happened to them.

I now think it was foolhardy of me to just release them. I was frustrated with the PAWB then because they did not extend help.

I just came from the DENR and we are now working on establishing a Bird Sanctuary. I am now also advised to keep the birds first because our area is not suitable for release.

I will keep you posted.

[EagleMan]

The Kelaarti species...

[AccipiterFreak]

that is a big prey, is it a giant squirrel or some kind of civets?

[SolidLeo]

that is a big prey, is it a giant squirrel or some kind of civets?

Pics r from Nagarhole ( South India ). The bird is feeding on a Indian Giant Flying Squirrel !!!!

[Blueagle]

The Kelaarti species...

Nice find! Beautiful bird.. Thanks for sharing!

BTW the eagle Center is not finish yet still under renovation! I will PM you once I get those phptos for you!

regards!

[AshleyWatson]

I must say...truly awesome ....keep it up.

[EagleMan]

Nice find! Beautiful bird.. Thanks for sharing!

BTW the eagle Center is not finish yet still under renovation! I will PM you once I get those phptos for you!

regards!


I thank you too !
The center will preserve Spizaetus philippensis too, or just the mighty Philippine eagle ?

[Blueagle]

I thank you too !
The center will preserve Spizaetus philippensis too, or just the mighty Philippine eagle ?


They cared, rehabilitates and preserve all kinds of Birds, mammals and reptiles especially those that are endemic to the Philippines.

There were a few raptors that I saw like Mountain, Philippine and changeable Hawk-eagles, serpent eagle, peregrine falcon, white bellied sea-eagle, Philippine Eagle-owl and the Philippine eagle. This center is in the heart of Metro Manila in Quezon City; It temporarily sheltered confiscated animals w/c are endangered and ilegally acquired, injured animals due to hunting and trapping or animals who ventured their way in urban areas like snakes reticulated python is the most common almost every month people found them in their backyards and home. Those animals that are fit to fend themselves are release back into the wild.

I've got some pictures of these raptors from the center, Below the huge cage of Philippine eagle.

[Blueagle]

Some more photos!

Philippine eagle
White bellied sea-eagle
Phil Hawk-eagle
Luzon Giant cloud rat
osprey eagle

[Elijah]

Some more photos!

Philippine eagle
White bellied sea-eagle
Phil Hawk-eagle
Luzon Giant cloud rat
osprey eagle

greetings...
i've been to this center.i've seen this majestic phil. eagle.it is just so huge.
i'm from cebu,philippines.i wanna share my juv. phil. hawk eagle.rescued this from a trader,they said they got this in leyte,phil..i am still lookin for a good hunting ground for this.it just so rare here to find big quary for this bop.
he already caught a big rat and a small bird in our place,not enough quary for such a big hunter though...

this is Polar...
YouTube - halk eagle, Polar's off creance flight...one


YouTube - hawk eagle, Polar's off creance flight...two

[Cackler]

Beautiful.

I just pray he will not feast on your chickens. Are there no areas in your place where jungle fowl are prevalent?

[Elijah]

Beautiful.

I just pray he will not feast on your chickens. Are there no areas in your place where jungle fowl are prevalent?

don't have chickens,:) dog's, i have loads..but polar is manned with them. we have a remote place where there are jungle fowls but people from there told me that those fowls were so wild that they could notice people approaching from afar.so it is hard to hunt those...but we will try the wood pigeons...

[EagleMan]

Polar is a male or female?
And what's the flyng weight?
Regards

[MaeBoy]

mountain hawk eagle in China looked subadult to me.

[EagleMan]

Heei! Welcome back Sang!

Beautiful bird, indeed a subadult.
Loks like a male fokiensis for me.
Do you have more pics?

Look at these

YouTube - ����

YouTube - �物を回�

Regards

[SolidLeo]

Another good video
YouTube - 出羽ノ鷹狩 - HAWKING IN DEWA -　01

[MaeBoy]

Long time Nicu

I have the full DVD I also have the copy for you.
the MHE looked either forkiensis ,orientalis around 2 - 3 years old.

....

[Hoopoes]

Very great discussion. Anyone can tell me where my HE from and what age ? I got this bird 5 years ago from a friend. Weight about 2100 g.

[Hoopoes]

more pics...

[AccipiterFreak]

more pics...

MHE from Thailand or Vietnam

Long time Nicu

I have the full DVD I also have the copy for you.
the MHE looked either forkiensis ,orientalis around 2 - 3 years old.

....

Hi Sang, both are southern Chinese MHE of the tropical nipalensis subspecies, the older bird is the same one as on this thread (http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=93159)

[MansonCcXx]

:D:D:D

[MaeBoy]

Photo above is the same bird i posted it sure looked different from those I saw in Thailand.

[AccipiterFreak]

:D:D:D

is this a new hawk eagle? a different one from last year?

[RedTail17]

Look at the Boots on that :supz:

[OuyuHawking]

^^
CooLLLLL

[Cackler]

Rufous Bellied Hawk Eagle, Philippine Hawk Eagle, Serpent Eagle

[Elijah]

Polar is a male or female?
And what's the flyng weight?
Regards

hello,got a feeling polar is a female,my friend had a philippine hawk eagle of the same age but a bit smaller.and its feet is smaller than of polar's.but not an accurate basis though...i dont weight polar,i just rely on his food amount.i fly him 3x a week.so,when i fly her for a game or demo. i control her diet.but ill be weighing her this week coz she'll be used on a movie,just for flying accuracy...
cheers...

[AccipiterFreak]

http://wn.com/Mountain_Hawk-eagle
interesting site w/ many video

[MaeBoy]

^^
CooLLLLL

Hello Ouyu

Long time my friend :grin:
is your MHE an imprint?

[EagleMan]

Photostory of a kill...

http://blog.goo.ne.jp/iyosshy/e/e45aafec33dcc29c3a83ed89d0b0a9c3

[MaeBoy]

mallard never looked this small before.....
probably the eagle was watching those ducks for long time perched quietly

[Sekarlangit]

This is my Ornate she is getting very good at catching Jack Rabitts( Hare) here in Nevada. Hawk Eagles can be good in falconry but take alot of time to develope.

Waw...Yummieeeee...

[ludwig]

mallard never looked this small before.....
probably the eagle was watching those ducks for long time perched quietly

Hello

here is Damian ....please sent me your Email-adress !

[EagleMan]

Hude japanese ”goshawk”:supz:

Whole picture...:supz: