Mountain Hawk Eagle

[EagleMan]

i created this tered so we can share and talk about this magnificebt raptor too. success
for example check out this japanese splendor in the snow!

[EagleMan]

an little head profile study

[NGuruve]

im sure hawkeagle will post sum pics of his and yes they are truely awsume bird hawkeagles are the ultimate for me

[Gwaihir]

Beautiful looking eagle m8. Stunning head

John M

[AccipiterFreak]

i created this tered so we can share and talk about this magnificebt raptor too. success
for example check out this japanese splendor in the snow!
the bird in the foto is not a japanese MHE, I think it is imported from SE Asia.

[HawkEagle]

could the bird be Taiwanese mhe? It doesn't pose long crests. I have some close up of se mhe feet.

[AccipiterFreak]

could the bird be Taiwanese mhe? It doesn't pose long crests. I have some close up of se mhe feet.
the color and crest feather don't look right for a Taiwanese mhe to me? I don't know how? the Japanese hawk dealers just have their ways to import rare birds of prey form other countries.

[Osiris]

beautiful, awesome bird mate. Have seen one of these at a centre. gr8 birds.

Still think the Ornates are a bit more impressive but hey!!

[EagleMan]

japanese subspecies is a great hunter ! here sits on a killed deer !:supz:

[EagleMan]

japanese hawk eagle and chinese subspecies

[EagleMan]

taiwanese juvenile MHE head study, no coment?

[EagleMan]

japanese adult kumataka, gorgeous birds.....:supz:

[EagleMan]

another adult kumataka:supz:

[EagleMan]

this time ia a stuffed kumataka

[Takajo]

Here's a Japanese in the Tokyo Ueno Zoo (you won't see falconers with Japanese native wild birds legally). The northern island of Hokkaido boasts the laergest number of Stellar Sea Eagles in the world, threw that one in too..

[AccipiterFreak]

taiwanese juvenile MHE head study, no coment?
3rd/4th year bird kept in a small cage.

[EagleMan]

3rd/4th year bird kept in a small cage.
hou did you know that?

[Tim Laycock]

I cant guage the birds age that accurately but the birds head has been rubbing on something!
That is feather displacement, not not the head of a bird just fledging.

Also look at the patch where the birds wing joing has been rubbed!

[AccipiterFreak]

hou did you know that?
by the color of its eyes and plumage

[Sandeep]

Hi

By the colour of its eyes it seems like a 3 year bird. These look stockier than the ones in India. I have only seen these in pictures as well. One of the pictures in the above ( in the nest with the eyass) looks like a crested hawk eagle. The colour looks like that of a crested hawk eagle.

I have kept crested hawk eagles and they looked very much the same. But the MHE is a much different looking bird.

As per S.M. Osman (an old Indian Falconer) this is one of the fastest if not The fastest among the bigger BOPs. He had flown a few of these birds and has hunted patrdiges and pheasants with them. All his flights are off the fist ... Thats Fast..

Great pictures.....:supz: :supz: :supz:

[EagleMan]

3rd/4th year bird kept in a small cage.
how did you know that this particular bird was kept in a small cage? did you buyed the bird? thanks!

[Tim Laycock]

I cant guage the birds age that accurately but the birds head has been rubbing on something!
That is feather displacement, not not the head of a bird just fledging.

Also look at the patch where the birds wing joint has been rubbed!

Talking to myself evidently :rolleyes:

[AccipiterFreak]

how did you know that this particular bird was kept in a small cage? did you buyed the bird? thanks!
check out the plumage on its head, and all Taiwanese MHE head shots were all from cage birds. HY MHE eyes are dark blue/brow. SY eyes are light blue/brow. ASY eyes turn yellow. 5+ yr olds turn deep yellow. HYs don't have markings on the underparts and head. most SYs still look the same, some might have some spots on the head. strips and bards start showing on 3rd yrs. it takes 5 yrs to attend full adult plumage. (MHEs take 2 yrs to complete the molt). my 2 cents, I hope this can answer your questions.

[HawkEagle]

Check out her hind claws. Also the pic of her eating quail and the last one is a baby blyth's hawk eagle. She also developing hugh feet and tarsus.

[HawkEagle]

By the way these birds are not at all large. My mountain he is just bit bigger than a redtail.

[Sandeep]

Hawk Eagle...

Facinating pictures Buddy.... One couldnt have asked for a better picture. I never knew the Blyths was so well armed. She is a killer.

Which part of the world are you from??? Do you have a picture of you holding the Blyths. Just to get an etimate of the size of the bird.

The talons look small as comparted to the size of her toes...

[HawkEagle]

Sandeep, she is still a baby so her claws have not been fully developed. I have handle a mature bird a few years ago and she has enormous hind claws just like my mountain he.

[Joey]

Sandeep, she is still a baby so her claws have not been fully developed. I have handle a mature bird a few years ago and she has enormous hind claws just like my mountain he.what do you take with them hawkeagle
ohhh and there beutiful looking birds

cheers joey

[HawkEagle]

I use them for TV work and show mainly but my mhe will kill a 4kg hare in real quick time. The hare didn't even move more than a meter away from where it was nailed.

[Joey]

I use them for TV work and show mainly but my mhe will kill a 4kg hare in real quick time. The hare didn't even move more than a meter away from where it was nailed.nice keep it up av you any pics ov your mhe on a kill or anything


joey

[HawkEagle]

nice keep it up av you any pics ov your mhe on a kill or anything


joey
Sorry I don't.

[Sandeep]

Hawk Eagle...

Where exactly do you live???

The Mountain hawk Eagles here are much bigger... Cheers...

[Joey]

Sorry I don't.thanks anyway


cheers joey

[HawkEagle]

Hawk Eagle...

Where exactly do you live???

The Mountain hawk Eagles here are much bigger... Cheers...
I live in Thailand. I also have a larger female mhe. She is just a small individual. However she is more powerful than the other one.

[HawkEagle]

F Changeable hawkeagle, birds over her dont have crests.

[Pink_Eagle]

didnt realise thy differed so much in colour, this is another changable hawk eagle
(sorry bout size eithr too big or v.small)

[Takajo]

A Changeable Harris', Sophie???

[HawkEagle]

didnt realise thy differed so much in colour, this is another changable hawk eagle
(sorry bout size eithr too big or v.small)
You can also get a white one, I'll post the pic of the white one later. Here is a pic of a baby blyth's he on the fist.

[Sandeep]

Hawk Eagle

Great pictures... The female MHE is smaller than I thought. Do you hunt with her at all. Have you ever hunted with the BOPs you have??

Would love to come there some day and see your BOPs...

The Blyths looks awesome...:supz: :supz:

[NGuruve]

you are one lucky fella the hawk eagles are amazing id choose them over anything:supz:

[Pink_Eagle]

A Changeable Harris', Sophie???

no definetly a changable hawk eagle

[EagleMan]

another shot of the japanese kumataka:supz:

[Jackson]

fabtatsic pics hawk eagle!!

[EagleMan]

hawk eagle, my friend this is for you- an adult female MHE from Thailand ! i hope you gonna like it !

[AccipiterFreak]

Here is this Japanese website about the last MHE master, lots of fotos. It is in Japanese, but just keep clicking the "next" at the bottom. http://www.pref.akita.jp/fpd/takasho/takasho01.htm

[EagleMan]

well, accipiterfreak try this page for the english version of thet article
www.pref.akita.jp/fdp/takasho/takasho01-e.htm
tell me if you make it ! success

[AndyYounger]

well, accipiterfreak try this page for the english version of thet article
www.pref.akita.jp/fdp/takasho/takasho01-e.htm
tell me if you make it ! success

this just kept coming up page not found?

[Takajo]

Here is this Japanese website about the last MHE master, lots of fotos. It is in Japanese, but just keep clicking the "next" at the bottom. http://www.pref.akita.jp/fpd/takasho/takasho01.htm
He was, in fact, not the last master; it's just that his student wanted people to believe that he was in order to inflame his own ego. I know a master who lives in a nearby prefecture. They ARE rare, but definitely not extinct.

[EagleMan]

these are taiwanese subspecies of MHE

[EagleMan]

ant this one too:supz:

[EagleMan]

and this one is from Thailand

[Mac]

cool thread:supz:

didnt glasier go on a road trip to afganistan or somwhere to try and trap some mountain hawk eagles? and werent they about five pounds in weight?


all the best

sean

[EagleMan]

cool thread:supz:

didnt glasier go on a road trip to afganistan or somwhere to try and trap some mountain hawk eagles? and werent they about five pounds in weight?


all the best

sean

thanks Mac:)
who is this glasier, honestly, i never heard of him/her !
and MHE' s weight exceed 5 pounds, especialy for the orientalis race .

[HawkEagle]

The f mhe I have weight about 5lbs fully fat. The Taiwanese one weight about 6-7lbs fully fat. They are quite big. My Taiwanese friend said their mhe will hunt primate in the wild.

[Berkut]

Hawkeagle,
I would be very interested to hear your opinion and any experience you have of the African Hawk Eagle. I have been asked to train one and I have it in my possession now. It is this years bird , male , imprint and has a top weight of
3lb 2oz.The temperament appears to be excellent and the bird looks somewhere between a Redtail Buzzard and a Goshawk. I have been working on the bird for 5 days now and am impressed with its progress.
I will take some photographs today and post them here if that is ok with you.I do not wish to hijack your thread.
Best Wishes,
Neil.

[HawkEagle]

I'll be delighted Neil. I'd also like to know more about them. I have never come across one before.:supz:

[Berkut]

I'll be delighted Neil. I'd also like to know more about them. I have never come across one before.:supz:

HawkEagle,
A couple of photographs to start.I will take more over the weekend and post them.Hope you like !!!!

[Pogger]

What an outstanding looking bird! I really hope these become more available in this country.

[Berkut]

What an outstanding looking bird! I really hope these become more available in this country.

Pogger,
They will become more available but the price would have to come down. I will happily pay the right money for the right bird but what the guy paid for this was way over the top. I agree it is a stunning looking bird with a temperament to match.

[Pogger]

Pogger,
They will become more available but the price would have to come down. I will happily pay the right money for the right bird but what the guy paid for this was way over the top. I agree it is a stunning looking bird with a temperament to match.


I await the price drop with bated breath! :D

[HawkEagle]

What a stunning bird you have Neil. You are one of the most lucky guy on earth:lol:

[Berkut]

HawkEagle,
A couple of photographs to start.I will take more over the weekend and post them.Hope you like !!!!

This bird has a temperament to die for.He is now coming 100 yds instantly to the lure at 2lb 14oz (1300 gms).If I have my back to him he will gently land on the top of my head.He can be vocal but sounds more like an eagle than a hawk. He is aggressive towards the glove but I am working on this by feeding only from the lure. I will try and take some better photographs tomorrow and post them on here.
Neil.

[Pogger]

I will try and take some better photographs tomorrow and post them on here.
Neil.


Please do! I can't wait to see them. :)

[Berkut]

Please do! I can't wait to see them. :)

Will take a load tomorrow.He,s really settled in and will be better to photograph now.
Regards,
Neil.

[HawkEagle]

Berkut, you will fall in love with this bird, he is a killing machine and the pics please.:yawinkle:

[Mac]

berkut, please the african hawk eagle pics the waitings killing me....:)

sean

[Heike]

Here he is a bit younger when he came to visit us.

[NGuruve]

arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrg dam u neil its not far the bird im dieing to get hold of i the future when i move back to africa u already have wow man thats amazing hope all the best for him and plz more pics cheers ooo btw the redtail is doing really well

[EagleMan]

back to MHE
an adult from Japan :supz:

[EagleMan]

and another japanese bird being mobbed bu an honeybuzzard :supz:

[EagleMan]

old exceptionally photos of japanese falconers and their kumataka !

[EagleMan]

bird and man...

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Just curious here. have you ever hunted with an Eagle Eagleman? Kind Regards Karl

[EagleMan]

Just curious here. have you ever hunted with an Eagle Eagleman? Kind Regards Karl

To my shame, Not yet:-x
But it'a a dream that some day may became true !
I love eagles and i pray to Dear GOD to let this chance enter into my life !

thank you, and have a great day Karl !

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Thanks for the reply.

[EagleMan]

It seems that the nipalensis subspecies also live in Kpreas and the far east of Russia

[EagleMan]

the indian subspecies !

[EagleMan]

Another look at the russian bird, sorry for the pic.

[EagleMan]

taken in summer !

[EagleInYarak]

awesome pics one of the photo is reminiscent of a rt hawk raptors r awesome!
:-P:razz::-P

[EagleInYarak]

also eagleman i love your threds esp those concernin eagles- the powerhouses(harpy,crowned) and littleknowns(apparently most hawkeagles) btw have ospreys or bald eagles ben used for falconry or snowy owls?

[EagleMan]

Thank you !

[ScottMason]

Hi,

I Just found this thread, I thought i'd post a few pics of MHE. they have been posted on this forum before on a different thread so apologies for the repeat.

I'm an English bloke living in Nepal, my female MHE is 2 years old and from Nepal, she flies at around 1800g. She was rescued from a someone who was keeping her in a small cage as a pet for about a year, needless to say she has some issues but i'm working through them.

As for hunting, i've spent the last few months trying to get her to chase Egrets as there is not much else where i live. The problem lately is that she has developed a fear of water logged padi fields, and typically this is where the Egrets generally feed and hangout. She's just started to moult so i'll lay her up for now and crack on in Sept when i have a full season with her.

[Tanin]

Impressive Scott.

[EagleMan]

You are more than wellcomes Scott !
In fact we all thank you again for sharing with us from your experience and pictures with this magnificent raptor.
By the way, how is she ?

Here is a book of a great falconer who trrained and flight dozens of MHE, I think that you may fing interesting info in there.
I don't want to make publicity but here is the link of that particular book..

http://www.hancockhouse.com/products/fallan.htm

Regards

[DJMWyoming]

You are more than wellcomes Scott !
In fact we all thank you again for sharing with us from your experience and pictures with this magnificent raptor.
By the way, how is she ?

Here is a book of a great falconer who trrained and flight dozens of MHE, I think that you may fing interesting info in there.
I don't want to make publicity but here is the link of that particular book..

http://www.hancockhouse.com/products/fallan.htm

Regards

I have always wanted to fly a mountain hawk eagle. At least try my hand at one. One of my dreams. Probably never will. They aren't available here.

Here in Wyoming a female would be great on white-tailed jack rabbits (hares) off the fist.

Wonderful birds. Awesome birds.

Best,

DM

[EagleMan]

I have always wanted to fly a mountain hawk eagle. At least try my hand at one. One of my dreams. Probably never will. They aren't available here.

Here in Wyoming a female would be great on white-tailed jack rabbits (hares) off the fist.

Wonderful birds. Awesome birds.

Best,

DM

It's illegal to import MHE'S into U.S. ?
And in Wyoming, you could launch your MHE at foxes too, also at big waterfowles as the wild gooses.

Regards.

[Pete J.]

It's illegal to import MHE'S into U.S. ?
And in Wyoming, you could launch your MHE at foxes too, also at big waterfowles as the wild gooses.

Regards.
It isn't that is illegal to import Eagleman, it is just very very difficult and time consuming to get the permits and all that is associated with bringing them in (quarantine, etc.). And then, to begin with, you have to find someone that actually has access to them (a breeder for instance) and there aren't many of those out in the world. So even if you could find a breeder and the price wasn't too outrageous, then you have shipping (not too bad), broker at the airport to take the bird(s) to quarantine (expensive), quarantine (not cheap), then figuring out a way to get them from the quarantine station back to the airport and ship them to Wyoming (probably expensive again unless you wanted to drive all the way to the quarantine station (NY, Miami, Los Angeles)...all of which are a very long way from Wyoming. After all this, would a person even want to fly the bird(s)? Probably not, probably breed them. And that would take how many years to be successful? My brain is bleeding just thinking about the difficulty involved in bringing in much of anything. We need a falconer to win the big lottery and spend it getting in everything we might ever want NOW, before it gets it gets even harder to accomplish.:supz:

[EagleMan]

Thank you Pete !
I understand now how it's the current situation in America regarding the import of raptors.
However, could it be easier to import an ornate hawk eagle from Central America to U.S. I mean at least the distance is smaller and the ornate is less endangered in the wild than MHE ?
Regards !

[Pete J.]

Thank you Pete !
I understand now how it's the current situation in America regarding the import of raptors.
However, could it be easier to import an ornate hawk eagle from Central America to U.S. I mean at least the distance is smaller and the ornate is less endangered in the wild than MHE ?
Regards !
It could be I suppose. The other problem is that you have to be a member of a cooperative group (sanctioned by the USFWS). This "Co-op" as we call them here, must also have this species as part of their list of potential imports for you to be able to import them. If your Co-op does not have them listed then you can either join a Co-op that does have them as part of their list, or you can try to get them added to your own Co-op's list by going through a process of requesting it, then it must be submitted to the public via the Federal Register for public comment. If the public comment is favorable or totally lacking in the negative area then the species can be added to your list. There is also some sort of special deal where if the species is listed on your Co-op but not on another, it is often difficult to get it listed on yours (I guess) and as such the authorities would rather have you join the other Co-op that has it listed rather than initiate it to a different Co-op as a new listing. Of course, for you to join one of these other Co-ops often means you (as an individual) must be approved by that other Co-op to join it. And that's not all.....
Let's say you are part of Co-op that is allowed to bring something in and you actually get through all the **** to get them in. Only members of the Co-op can actually fly the birds that are brought in, or their F1 progeny. F1s that are considered as surplus birds (because you must back up all potential bloodlines before you have a surplus) must then be offered to other in this Co-op and also (I believe) to other interested Co-ops before they can be offered to a non-Co-op member falconer. This process tends to encourage breeders in to bring in fewer birds and to keep them essentially for themselves and their closest friends that are in the Co-op and actually promotes elitism and the formation of 'cliques'. Are you feeling discouraged yet?
This is essentially why bringing in birds such as HEs is such an undertaking as they are so slow to mature to reproductive age and they have so few young. This is why I think that the Wild Bird Protection Act and CITES is really not encouraging people very well to begin showing interest in captive breeding. If you were breeding some sort of upland gamebird that produces many young, or even some of the parrots...then fine. But for something like a HE or other slow reproducing species, there is no real incentive to try unless there is a tremendous financial backing to make it all happen on a level that is sustainable for years to come. I do understand what they hoped would happen with such regulations, but for some species (and mostly the ones we need to be most concerned about in the long haul) this sort of regulation is doing much more harm than good. The forest hawkeagles are likely one of the main groups of birds that is going to be lost first due to their low reproductive rate, slow maturation process, dependence on rather extensive undisturbed forest in countries where such forests are being felled at an alarming rate. The plight of the Java HE is just the tip of the iceberg in this process because of it's limited range and massive human encroachment and destruction of limited habitat. This is one area where I feel that governmental interference and regulation is actually going to be the cause of the extinction of species, because they have handicapped themselves so much by accepting the obstacles which will cause the eventual collapse of the species.

[EagleMan]

Peter, I now understand...the bureaucracy...
I never went to America.
A few years ago some american friends came to visit my coutry. We talked a lt about everything.
Once they told me a thing that I still remember :
They told me that in today's America therei is leee and less freedom for the individ....they claim that in the '70 , even the 80' there was more freedom than today.
I understand now what they were tryng to say.
Anyway back to our thread what you say about the future of hawk eagle is sad but true...
So I still belive that you can import an ornate, I wonder how acted in this direction people like Jhon Neviase and other ornate owners from U.S .?
regards

[Pete J.]

Peter, I now understand...the bureaucracy...
I never went to America.
A few years ago some american friends came to visit my coutry. We talked a lt about everything.
Once they told me a thing that I still remember :
They told me that in today's America therei is leee and less freedom for the individ....they claim that in the '70 , even the 80' there was more freedom than today.
I understand now what they were tryng to say.
Anyway back to our thread what you say about the future of hawk eagle is sad but true...
So I still belive that you can import an ornate, I wonder how acted in this direction people like Jhon Neviase and other ornate owners from U.S .?
regards
I'm not entirely sure if Jon N. imported them or whether he just got birds together that were already here in zoos? It was also before the time of all this Wild Bird Protection Act I believe, perhaps just before this regulation began. It is getting worse every year though. Which is why importing birds now rather than later is the way to go. It will only get harder over the time ahead. I think I need to start playing the Lottery...money talks these days it seems!:box:

[EagleMan]

This pic was shot this year in India.
Stunning Bird....:supz:

[EagleMan]

An extension into the life of this feathered samurai the japanese MHE...

[EagleMan]

Winter flight

[EagleMan]

Autumn flight....

[EagleMan]

Alone...

[EagleMan]

Life means death..and vice -versa...

[EagleMan]

Summer flight

[AdeyHawk1970]

Thanks for the pictures eagle man:-D:-D

[EagleMan]

Anyway friends, anyway :-D

[EagleMan]

Hunting intermezzo !

[Jorge Sales Lisboa]

Friends

There is a small however very interesting video on falconry with Spizaetus nipalensis. This video shows a Spizaetus trained by an oriental falconer, and there are some throws to great hares in the snow. It is possible to do the download of this video in the Internet using emule it or Dreamule. It is necessary to key in the place of "search" " Hawking-Cetreria con Spizaetus ". It is not a big video it has 171 Mb, and the hard filming approximately 20 minutes, I think them to myself what is valid since it is not easy videos get on this Hawk Eagle in falconry

Greetings

Jorge

[EagleMan]

Many thanks Jorge!
I love this particular specie od hawk eagle!
I'm looking for years to fing any video about MHE.once whan I was a kid I saw a movie about the japanese MHE...
I still look for that documentary...
Many regards!

[Jorge Sales Lisboa]

Many thanks Jorge!
I love this particular specie od hawk eagle!
I'm looking for years to fing any video about MHE.once whan I was a kid I saw a movie about the japanese MHE...
I still look for that documentary...
Many regards!

Hello Eagle Man

Do you have MSN?

I can to send it for MSN.

My MSN is lisboajorge@hotmail.com

Jorge

[EagleMan]

Hello Eagle Man

Do you have MSN?

I can to send it for MSN.

My MSN is lisboajorge@hotmail.com

Jorge


Jorge, my friend ! If you send me that video, I'll recongnize in public on this forum that the harpy is the most powerful eagle...:D:D:lol:

I will send you an PM.
Regards !

[Jorge Sales Lisboa]

Jorge, my friend ! If you send me that video, I'll recongnize in public on this forum that the harpy is the most powerful eagle...:D:D:lol:

I will send you an PM.
Regards !



AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Hello Eagle Man

I can send a copy by post but it has been spending for this, and I can send to you the archive for the MSN, which is quicker and better however is necessary that you add me in the MSN so that I can pass you the archive. My email is lisboajorge@hotmail.com or jorge_sales_lisboa@hotmail.com

Warn when to add me in the MSN.

Greetings

Jorge

[Takajo]

Konnichi wa.

Here's one:
YouTube - クマタカ

[Takajo]

A very short soar:
YouTube - Mountain Hawk eagle クマタカ

[EagleMan]

Many Thanks Takajo !

[EagleMan]

Subadult male MHE, originated in Thailand, this pic was taken in the wild.
Note the size of the legs and talons..:supz:

[EagleMan]

Monkey killer...:supz:
Proof from Japan

http://www.journalarchive.jst.go.jp/jnlpdf.php?cdjournal=jjo1986&cdvol=47&noissue=3&startpage=125&lang=en&from=jnlabstract

[CanadaManada]

Eagleman,
Did you get that video the gentleman from Brazil spoke about? That documentary is about Mr Matsubara, the man I told you I met a few weeks ago.

Justin

[EagleMan]

No I did not !
I has english subtitles?
No matter in fact, I'm gonna try to find it
Regards !

[CanadaManada]

Ask Jorge, please. He will give it to you if you use MSN messenger.
I doubt if it has subtitles, but you won't need them, anyway.
The way he picks the HE up off a kill is incredible and must be seen to be believed!!!

Justin

[AccipiterFreak]

just for the fun of it

[EagleMan]

Many thanks, Anthony and please excuse me for not mailed you so far...
I had some problems ...
This is the taiwanese MHE, isnt'it ?
Again I remain greateful !
Nicu

[MaeBoy]

I see many posts about MHE ,but no one seems to be hunting it successfully. I have read from Korean history report ,once a white MHE was sent to Chinese emperor as his annual tribute,but there is only faint report about falconry practise in Korea.Now they are technically extinct species over here ,but I hear informer sightings time to time.I am very curious about them as a falconey bird.

[Mark Moglich]

This is my Ornate she is getting very good at catching Jack Rabitts( Hare) here in Nevada. Hawk Eagles can be good in falconry but take alot of time to develope.

I see many posts about MHE ,but no one seems to be hunting it successfully. I have read from Korean history report ,once a white MHE was sent to Chinese emperor as his annual tribute,but there is only faint report about falconry practise in Korea.Now they are technically extinct species over here ,but I hear informer sightings time to time.I am very curious about them as a falconey bird.

[AccipiterFreak]

Many thanks, Anthony and please excuse me for not mailed you so far...
I had some problems ...
This is the taiwanese MHE, isnt'it ?
Again I remain greateful !
Nicu
no problem! Just went into these two Taiwanese MHE fotos the other day......

[MaeBoy]

This is my Ornate she is getting very good at catching Jack Rabitts( Hare) here in Nevada. Hawk Eagles can be good in falconry but take alot of time to develope.
Hello Mark.
Are they very simmilar to each other? what are they like in the relationship with human? when you say they take alot of time to develope do you mean their confidence,or learning skills in hunting?
Sang.

[Pete J.]

A bit of both is what he means Sang. In the wild the southern Spizaetus young spend basically the whole first year being cared for by the adults. Their strategy is to produce few young at a time, but put more care in their eventual potential success by easing them into their role as a hunter.
But while this may be true of the southern Spizaetus such as Marks' Ornate HE, it may not necessarily be true of the more northerly Spizaetus such as the Mountain HE. Environment pressures such as temperature may push the more northerly forms to become more active predators earlier than the more tropical species. It would be interesting to know if there is a difference? I will have to do some research to see if there is any documentation of this difference between tropical and temperate forms.

[AccipiterFreak]

A bit of both is what he means Sang. In the wild the southern Spizaetus young spend basically the whole first year being cared for by the adults. Their strategy is to produce few young at a time, but put more care in their eventual potential success by easing them into their role as a hunter.
But while this may be true of the southern Spizaetus such as Marks' Ornate HE, it may not necessarily be true of the more northerly Spizaetus such as the Mountain HE. Environment pressures such as temperature may push the more northerly forms to become more active predators earlier than the more tropical species. It would be interesting to know if there is a difference? I will have to do some research to see if there is any documentation of this difference between tropical and temperate forms.

gees! that is a doctoral dissertation research.

[EagleMan]

True !
This theory is right....
In northern areas life is harder to a predator due to shortage of prey !

[Turumti]

I havent flown any hawk eagles, but I have flown plenty of hawks and falcons. And in my experience, apart from being bigger, birds from northern latitudes are generally more aggressive and persistent than their southern cousins. For example, a calidus peregrine is generally more persistent in her pursuit of quarry than an average peregrinator is, and the former is bigger. Furthermore even amongst the same subspecies, birds from northern areas are more aggressive and persistent generally than their southern cousins. For example rednaped shaheens from southern Pakistan are very adept at catching sandgrouse, doves, pigeon and teals, but those from the arid hills of the north often hunt imperial sandgrouse on migration, and those imperial sandgrouse is not an easy quarry by any yardstick. It's big and very fast.

[Sandeep]

One of the last falconers of his time - S.M. Osman has made specific mention of the MHE. He has even gone to the extent of saying that inspite of its big size its probably one of the fastest amongst hawks and eagles. Osman mentions that he has had very good success with the MHE in taking patridges, pheasants, hares, owls, and quite a few other quarry...

His book - Falconry in the Land Of The Sun is a must read. Its more to do with his falconry escapades more than 7 decades ago rather than training.

Cheers

[Mark Moglich]

I agree and I would bet the MHE developes much faster and has a faster metabolism.

A bit of both is what he means Sang. In the wild the southern Spizaetus young spend basically the whole first year being cared for by the adults. Their strategy is to produce few young at a time, but put more care in their eventual potential success by easing them into their role as a hunter.
But while this may be true of the southern Spizaetus such as Marks' Ornate HE, it may not necessarily be true of the more northerly Spizaetus such as the Mountain HE. Environment pressures such as temperature may push the more northerly forms to become more active predators earlier than the more tropical species. It would be interesting to know if there is a difference? I will have to do some research to see if there is any documentation of this difference between tropical and temperate forms.

[MaeBoy]

Thank you for your kind reply Peter.
I can understand the fact ,that all living creatures have developed their habits,and nature for very one reason ,survival.
I am not 100years old having experience with tousands of birds. Advises,and opinions from different sides benefits my life ,and I appreciate it so much. I`m expecting more ,than just samll behavioral
differences. For example Chinese sparrow hawk Accipiter soloensis I have trained ,that was not too much different from sparrow hawk Accipiter nisus in size ,and figure if fact they were totally different in every aspects.
Chinese sparrow hawks I saw in the wild were mostly doing the still hunting from perches ,and posts unlike sparrow hawks rapidly flying around bushes,and forest edges to scare the preys ,and chasing after one.
I heard from Japanese raptor veterinarian who traps them regularly,and have worked with the falconer with Spizaetus nipalensis MHE told me he traps them all with deer carrion,and they seem to prefer still hunt from trees.
Sang

A bit of both is what he means Sang. In the wild the southern Spizaetus young spend basically the whole first year being cared for by the adults. Their strategy is to produce few young at a time, but put more care in their eventual potential success by easing them into their role as a hunter.
But while this may be true of the southern Spizaetus such as Marks' Ornate HE, it may not necessarily be true of the more northerly Spizaetus such as the Mountain HE. Environment pressures such as temperature may push the more northerly forms to become more active predators earlier than the more tropical species. It would be interesting to know if there is a difference? I will have to do some research to see if there is any documentation of this difference between tropical and temperate forms.

[EagleMan]

One of the last falconers of his time - S.M. Osman has made specific mention of the MHE. He has even gone to the extent of saying that inspite of its big size its probably one of the fastest amongst hawks and eagles. Osman mentions that he has had very good success with the MHE in taking patridges, pheasants, hares, owls, and quite a few other quarry...

His book - Falconry in the Land Of The Sun is a must read. Its more to do with his falconry escapades more than 7 decades ago rather than training.

Cheers

This book is by far the most impressive declaration to falconry as an art that I ever read...
I receive this particular masterpiece a month ago and these days I finished reading it.
Regarding to MHE, the oresentation of Sirdar Mohamed Osman is marvellous. Conform to him this species of hawk eagle is a great bird to falconry.
He hunted for 5 or 6 years with a MHE female and the hunting experience must be read by all falconers and BOP fans...
His female, named Kohistani (Mountain Girl ) in local dialects, was a bird eager to hunt everything that moves, in particular the way he described the way in wich Kohistani managed to hunt and kill the Bengal Eagle Owl, is worth to be readed. Also he decalres that MHE is very agressive toward any nocturnal raptor, Kohistani being able to tont even little owls.
This book is great in details and experiences shared...:supz:
Sandeep, How Is Sirdar Mohamed Osman ? This great falconer is still living today ?
Many Regards !

[EagleMan]

Indian MHE Female at nest.

[Pete J.]

That's a great looking individual specimen! Thanks for sharing that pic.

[Sokoly]

WOW a true beauty :supz:

[EagleMan]

no problem! Just went into these two Taiwanese MHE fotos the other day......

They look very similar to the japanese subspecies, isn't it ?
Regards

[AccipiterFreak]

I see many posts about MHE ,but no one seems to be hunting it successfully. I have read from Korean history report ,once a white MHE was sent to Chinese emperor as his annual tribute,but there is only faint report about falconry practise in Korea.Now they are technically extinct species over here ,but I hear informer sightings time to time.I am very curious about them as a falconey bird.

Do you mean something like this? My Chinese fellow falconer just send me this one.

[EagleMan]

Priceless image...

[MaeBoy]

Hello Anthony.
Its good to hear from you again!
I have only read the report. I guess it was an albino.

Do you mean something like this? My Chinese fellow falconer just send me this one.

[EagleMan]

japanese falconer along female MHE

[EagleMan]

Inside human enclosure...

[MaeBoy]

DO anybody think MHE orientalis are capable of nailing 12kg + chinese water deer?

[Takajo]

Yeah, if you pumped it up with pcp. Leave the golden to that, and then only if the deer's a baby.

[Takajo]

japanese falconer along female MHE
No one's legally allowed to hunt with MHEs in Japan except for this man (unfair really). He's a national living treasure. I wonder if we can sell him on e-bay:roll:
Same goes for goldens unfortunately.

[CanadaManada]

japanese falconer along female MHE

This man does not have a flying MHE now. The Japanese govt will not let him take another wild bird and they will not give him one from teh govt breeding program near here.
The pigeon men and antis have gotten their claws into the appropriate people in govt and made their case against him. I spoke to him a while back, and the govt may be taking away his right to free fly eagles in the future, leaving large eagles 100% off limits for falconry in Japan.
This can be squarely blamed on a couple of the falconry shops who's owners travel abroad to falconry fairs and make deals to buy large eagles that are then sold on to anyone and I mean ANYONE who can pony up $10,000+. I've heard a couple of horror stories involving loose eagles and small, expensive dogs. I know who I blame for the problem.

Justin

[Takajo]

Yup. That shop would either be Habatake in ***uoka (hilarious, I can't type 福岡in English, machine thinks I'm typing "screw you o.k.?") or Mokinya? Both of those shops are staffed with some freaky characters.

[EagleMan]

Yeah, if you pumped it up with pcp. Leave the golden to that, and then only if the deer's a baby.

Sincerely I belive than an adult female MHE orientalis can take any 12 kilo chinese water deer.
Some of these female are as large as any golden eagle male.
And compared to those smaller japanese golden eagle, I'll take anytine an female kumataka MHE to a golden eagle.
I'm curious to know how big are their talons compared with a golden eagle.
I presume there is not much difference.

[EagleMan]

No one's legally allowed to hunt with MHEs in Japan except for this man (unfair really). He's a national living treasure. I wonder if we can sell him on e-bay:roll:
Same goes for goldens unfortunately.

Hello Takajo !
I heard that several times, and I'm prety confused...
I know that japanese people are conservative and respetfull to their arts like traditions.
Alongside arts like, Cha no yu, Aikido, Karate, Kyu-do, Sumo and other arts there is the falconry art of Japan named Takagari.
This time tested tradition is a genuine japanese way of falconry.
For example japanese are the only people who hunted with MHE for several hundred years.
Now you tell ma that the japanese government reject hawking with Kumataka ?
How come that this situation degenerated so much ?
A tradition like that is not supported by your government ?
Why?
I know that japanese MHE populations are safe and stable, with 1 000 breeding pairs (I presume that this is the maximum number of MHE pairs that can be supported by japanese environment in terms of prey and area for breeding). So in this case a number of 3-4 birds taken from the nest with government permission, will tot threat the MHE's future and will keep theis unique and special tradition alive, isn't that ?
Best Regards

[AccipiterFreak]

DO anybody think MHE orientalis are capable of nailing 12kg + chinese water deer?
these are the smaller N. n. fokiensis that killed a 37 inches in length, and between 10 and 18 kg (22-40 pounds) in weighs Formosan Reeves's Muntjac (Muntiacus reevesi). This might answer your question.

[Takajo]

What does a Chinese water deer look like? I'm imagining long legs?
As far as why the government disallows hunting with larger raptors;They are large and may kill the neighbors' baby I believe is the reasoning. Larger raptors require a dangerous animals license just to keep them in a mews. So these dumb-a ss dealers dealing eagles are making eagles live in despondent, unhealthy conditions. They know the eagle will NEVER get exercise (as they're not allowed to be flown outside) but they also know that irresponsible money spenders will gladly fork it over. Shops such as HABATAKE and MOKINYA, as well as pretty much ANY dealer in Japan.

[MaeBoy]

I have no experience with eagles. I have seen few clips of golden eagles catching roe deer ,and in Korea there are good number of guys hunting them with dogs lamping at night. they seem to trip,and fall when connected while running. unlike hare hawking with gos once they fall secured around the neck they cant jump around. I heard MHEs have surprisingly strong grip,and they will never let go I think they have good chance to become a decent hawk for water deer.

[Takajo]

Hmm. Tiny legs. Tiny..:lol:little........:P..legs:twisted:

[EagleMan]

Friends, roe deer can be capurated even by harris hawk (not killed of course)
I remeber that someone caughta roe deer in Opocno falconry festival, in last years.
Not to mention that in India-Pakistan, once they used sakers and goshawks for the same job...

So I have no doubt that an MHE, can even kill a full grown roe deer.
Regards

[MaeBoy]

I am not sure about that.....
roe deer are much bigger,than water deer .
Using sakers ,and gos you need a trained dog to finnish the job.
hawk will only blind or slow the deer.
I had a male harris caught a fox if I got to the bird 1o seconds late it could have been the opposite story.... I wouldnt say he is a `fox hawk`
Friends, roe deer can be capurated even by harris hawk (not killed of course)
I remeber that someone caughta roe deer in Opocno falconry festival, in last years.
Not to mention that in India-Pakistan, once they used sakers and goshawks for the same job...

So I have no doubt that an MHE, can even kill a full grown roe deer.
Regards

[Takajo]

Yes, but although the roe deer have heinously long fangs, I don't think the hawk-eagle;) would have too much of a problem

[EagleMan]

I am not sure about that.....
roe deer are much bigger,than water deer .
Using sakers ,and gos you need a trained dog to finnish the job.
hawk will only blind or slow the deer.
I had a male harris caught a fox if I got to the bird 1o seconds late it could have been the opposite story.... I wouldnt say he is a `fox hawk`

Of course, I never claimed that the gos, harris and saker can kill an deer....to blind it or harassing.
Anyway a female MHE can kill any red deer.

[HallBeck]

Of course, I never claimed that the gos, harris and saker can kill an deer....to blind it or harassing.
Anyway a female MHE can kill any red deer.

Don't think there is an eagle out there that would kill an adult Red Deer!

Yes, but although the roe deer have heinously long fangs, I don't think the hawk-eagle;) would have too much of a problem

Never seen a Roe Deers with fangs!

[Thistle]

Don't think there is an eagle out there that would kill an adult Red Deer!

Never seen a Roe Deer with fangs!

Quit it HallBeck, I've wet me pants !! :oops::lol:

Chuckle. Meanwhile the boys were traversing the high mountains in fantasy land, a dangerous place chock full of strange creatures, eagles and goblins, fire breathing dragons and herds of sabre toothed deer. Then we heard an enraged bellow from above us. It was a stag. The gnashing of his fangs could clearly be heard echoing right across the valley. As we hurried up the rock strewn slope for a better vantage point, we caught a glimpse of them - the silhouette of two creatures struggling, locked in their mortal combat. This was clearly a vicious duel. To the death by the look of things. The large hawk eagle seemed bound fast to the red's antlers. Flap as he might, he just couldn't get airborne with his fantastic prize. Then just as the stag lowered his head it seemed the eagle would be thrown off, but no, we saw a much more remarkable thing. Something such as I've never seen, in my entire twenty years or more as a falconer.

Not before, nor since have I witnessed such a thing occur...

So, (as we're all clearly in fantasyland now) what happens next, fellas ?

[Pete J.]

.....Never seen a Roe Deers with fangs!

I think this was a typo about the Roe Deer with fangs. But that Chinese Water Deer does have fangs and I suspect that he meant the later.

[MaeBoy]

I understood what he was on about.
Korea is mainly covered with mountains ,and very thick woodlands.
everytime I go out hawking I run into water deer it is easier to find a water deer ,than a pheasant `coz pheasant will walk their way to thick woods before my dog makes a point. so I tought of hawking water deer with MHE . Most of video clips I have seen hawking roe deer with goldies needed huge space.
I think this was a typo about the Roe Deer with fangs. But that Chinese Water Deer does have fangs and I suspect that he meant the later.

[EagleMan]

Japanese MHE...

[EagleMan]

Kumataka head study

[MaeBoy]

Do people imprint them? I know Japanese falconers imprint them.
People prefer to imprint their birds for various of reasons ,if there is a MHE what is the main reason for imprinting?

[Sandeep]

This book is by far the most impressive declaration to falconry as an art that I ever read...
I receive this particular masterpiece a month ago and these days I finished reading it.
Regarding to MHE, the oresentation of Sirdar Mohamed Osman is marvellous. Conform to him this species of hawk eagle is a great bird to falconry.
He hunted for 5 or 6 years with a MHE female and the hunting experience must be read by all falconers and BOP fans...
His female, named Kohistani (Mountain Girl ) in local dialects, was a bird eager to hunt everything that moves, in particular the way he described the way in wich Kohistani managed to hunt and kill the Bengal Eagle Owl, is worth to be readed. Also he decalres that MHE is very agressive toward any nocturnal raptor, Kohistani being able to tont even little owls.
This book is great in details and experiences shared...:supz:
Sandeep, How Is Sirdar Mohamed Osman ? This great falconer is still living today ?
Many Regards !

Yes he is still very much alive and at the ripe age of 87...I think. But he has got very irritable and cranky at this age and refuses to meet people. I have a friend who meets him often and is in touch with him. I guess at his age its normal. He is living with his wife. I was told that he was releasing anotherr book called - Musings of an Afghan falconer.... No idea what happened to it...I am hoping it would release soon and also that it would be as entertaining as the other book....

Cheers
Sandeep

[EagleMan]

Japanese MHE

[MaeBoy]

Found this on the web.

[AccipiterFreak]

Found this on the web.

wow! is that a deer?

[MaeBoy]

Hello Anthony.
I think it is sika deer carcass ,this is Japanese Kumataka.
Sang.

wow! is that a deer?

[Takajo]

It's a shika (white loins). The Hawk Eagle does do carrion, though. I wonder what the circumstances of this photo were.:confused:

[Eagle-Eyrie]

Hawkeagle,
I would be very interested to hear your opinion and any experience you have of the African Hawk Eagle. I have been asked to train one and I have it in my possession now. It is this years bird , male , imprint and has a top weight of
3lb 2oz.The temperament appears to be excellent and the bird looks somewhere between a Redtail Buzzard and a Goshawk. I have been working on the bird for 5 days now and am impressed with its progress.
I will take some photographs today and post them here if that is ok with you.I do not wish to hijack your thread.
Best Wishes,
Neil.

there are threads on the african hawk eagles check them out to avoid reptition. i fly a female ahe and she s amazing. if you would like to know more pm me or reply to one of the threads.

good hawking

dylan

[Eagle-Eyrie]

Hawkeagle,
I would be very interested to hear your opinion and any experience you have of the African Hawk Eagle. I have been asked to train one and I have it in my possession now. It is this years bird , male , imprint and has a top weight of
3lb 2oz.The temperament appears to be excellent and the bird looks somewhere between a Redtail Buzzard and a Goshawk. I have been working on the bird for 5 days now and am impressed with its progress.
I will take some photographs today and post them here if that is ok with you.I do not wish to hijack your thread.
Best Wishes,
Neil.

there are threads on the african hawk eagles check them out to avoid reptition. i fly a female ahe and she s amazing. if you would like to know more pm me or reply to one of the threads. i have been flyng them for a few years and they are my fav species. have taken a good range of quarry and in good style as well. i feel they are perfectly suited to hunting hare and rabbits in europe! We have started an AFIRCAN HAWK EAGLE INTEREST GROUP in sa and if anyone is interested to recive our newsletter and mails please feel free to pm me and i will include you.

good hawking

dylan

[EagleMan]

Japanese MHE

[EagleMan]

Indian MHE

[Jorge Sales Lisboa]

there are threads on the african hawk eagles check them out to avoid reptition. i fly a female ahe and she s amazing. if you would like to know more pm me or reply to one of the threads. i have been flyng them for a few years and they are my fav species. have taken a good range of quarry and in good style as well. i feel they are perfectly suited to hunting hare and rabbits in europe! We have started an AFIRCAN HAWK EAGLE INTEREST GROUP in sa and if anyone is interested to recive our newsletter and mails please feel free to pm me and i will include you.

good hawking

dylan


Hello

At the moment I have flying a Ornate Hawk Eagle. Is this group is only African Hawk Eagle , or all species of Hawk Eagle.

Greetings.

Jorge

[EagleMan]

According to the wildlife photographers, these two pics depict the different subspecies of MHE to be found in India.

First the Nipalensis nipalenssis subspecies from Kumoain district in Himalaya
http://www.indiabirds.net/images/gallery_birds/Mountain-Hawk-Eagle-up.jpg

Second the kelaarti ssp. to be found in kelrala provinces and Ceylon

http://www.indiabirds.net/content/MoreInfo.asp?ImgId=616&id=408

noticeable differences, isn't it ?
regards

[AccipiterFreak]

According to the wildlife photographers, these two pics depict the different subspecies of MHE to be found in India.

First the Nipalensis nipalenssis subspecies from Kumoain district in Himalaya
http://www.indiabirds.net/images/gallery_birds/Mountain-Hawk-Eagle-up.jpg

Second the kelaarti ssp. to be found in kelrala provinces and Ceylon

http://www.indiabirds.net/content/MoreInfo.asp?ImgId=616&id=408

noticeable differences, isn't it ?
regards
the strange thing is, S. n. n. should have long crest (http://ibc.hbw.com/ibc/phtml/votacio.phtml?idVideo=26726&Spizaetus_nipalensis, http://www.kailash96.com/tibet_animal/bird-img/28-3.jpg, http://www.thejunglelook.com/info/bird-info/mountain-hawk-eagle?DokuWiki=074490efe2134f8b68eb479532575b69) just like S. n. kelaarti. But in the foto, the first bird is a short crest form just like a southern Chinese/Taiwanese Spizaetus nipalensis fokiensis (http://www.tesri.gov.tw/content/manager/hodgson's_hawk_eagle.htm).

[EagleMan]

the strange thing is, S. n. n. should have long crest (http://ibc.hbw.com/ibc/phtml/votacio.phtml?idVideo=26726&Spizaetus_nipalensis, http://www.kailash96.com/tibet_animal/bird-img/28-3.jpg, http://www.thejunglelook.com/info/bird-info/mountain-hawk-eagle?DokuWiki=074490efe2134f8b68eb479532575b69) just like S. n. kelaarti. But in the foto, the first bird is a short crest form just like a southern Chinese/Taiwanese Spizaetus nipalensis fokiensis (http://www.tesri.gov.tw/content/manager/hodgson's_hawk_eagle.htm).

Hello Anthony !
You are tottaly right... this was my opinion too. From all my info nipalnsis nipalensis subspecies have a long crest and darker marks than the rest of the MHE subspecies. How ever the picture seems to be genuine, a image of an northindian bird taken by a indian photohgrapher.
Could be a older bird ?
Regards

[EagleMan]

Hello everybody !

According to this material , we have a new hawk eagle species !
The so calle ssp. Legge's Hawk eagle is in fact a new different hawk eagle species not a MHE ssp.
According to the authors of this study, there are numeorus and significant differences between MHE and Laegge's hawk eagle. Not only by size differencial but DNA too.
Take your time to analyse the material, it worths !

Regards

http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/2008/f/zt01792p066.pdf

[bravo666]

the bird in the foto is not a japanese MHE, I think it is imported from SE Asia.
yes u are rite pale, that's javanese hawk eagle, not japanese, but javanese.
i got one of that raptor. that's specific raptor from endemic bird from java island. indonesian, SE asia.

[ReluctantTwitcher]

Hello everybody !

According to this material , we have a new hawk eagle species !
The so calle ssp. Legge's Hawk eagle is in fact a new different hawk eagle species not a MHE ssp.
According to the authors of this study, there are numeorus and significant differences between MHE and Laegge's hawk eagle. Not only by size differencial but DNA too.
Take your time to analyse the material, it worths !

Regards

http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/2008/f/zt01792p066.pdf

Hi Nicu,

Thanks a lot for the interesting news and the link, which I read with great interest. Given that they differed from MHEs
to such a large extent in so many aspects, the evidence for elevating the Sri Lankan hawk-eagles to full species status
seem very convincing indeed. So thanks for sharing!

Regards,
/Magnus

[EagleMan]

Hi Nicu,

Thanks a lot for the interesting news and the link, which I read with great interest. Given that they differed from MHEs
to such a large extent in so many aspects, the evidence for elevating the Sri Lankan hawk-eagles to full species status
seem very convincing indeed. So thanks for sharing!

Regards,
/Magnus

You are wellcome Magnus !
Happy New Year to you and to all forumists !:supz:

[ReluctantTwitcher]

You are wellcome Magnus !
Happy New Year to you and to all forumists !:supz:

Same to you! May the New Year bring you joy and keep you safe.

[bravo666]

i created this tered so we can share and talk about this magnificebt raptor too. success
for example check out this japanese splendor in the snow!

this bird of mine,.javanese hawk eagle,...:)

[EagleMan]

this bird of mine,.javanese hawk eagle,...:)


Great bird you have there !
Javan Hawk Eagle is very much alike Mountain Hawk eagle.
What is the weight and sex of oyur bird?
Also what kind of quarry do you hunt with her/him?
And please post more pictures, if possible.
Regards