First time incubation

[Jeremiah Johnson]

This Year will be my first time Incubating.. I have decided to go down this route because my Redtails only Hatched 1 from four eggs last year....

In addition to Redtails Hopefully Lanner eggs(not holding my breath though) and maybe some Harris hawk eggs ... I may let the harris's do it them selfs tho.

I'm going to tell you how I have prepared so far and hopefully some of you can give me some pointers or even constructive critsim

Food..
5 days Quail....two of those day's I feed fresh still twitching quail. 1 day of Rabbit or squirrel 1 day of ungutted chicks

Incubators/brooders
I have one oct 20 pro (that has the humidity controler) and 2 additional oct 20 DX's
1 Brinsea TLC 4 Brooder and intend to make a second stage brooder with two fireglow bulbs on a twin dimmer switch (have made a prototype from s**** wood and tested on quail) Oh and brinsea cool lume high intensity candeler

Incubator Room !!
I have set aside a large walk in cuboard within inside my house as a incubation room and coated/ceiling the walls with Gloss paint and covered the floors with heavy duty plastic (humidity here is currently 33%)
Running the incubators dry here I get 15% humidity

Research
I have read the nick fox book on the subject ... The falcon propagation book as well as a few others....and studied one video of nick fox "preparation for breeding" and about to order the thrid on "incubation and hatching"

Practice !!!
I have familirised myself with the incubators and egg weight charts by hatching quail (based on 13% weight loss for quail eggs)



Now I spoke with Terry a week or so ago and was advised that Redtail eggs can be a bit of a problem to get the weight off.. It was also agreed that a post on the subject of incubation may be of Intrest to all lot of people

so if any of you guys can give constructive advice on any of the above and on controling egg weight loss during Incubation I am all ears.

Regards Flame

[GaryPCO]

This Year will be my first time Incubating.. I have decided to go down this route because my Redtails only Hatched 1 from four eggs last year....

In addition to Redtails Hopefully Lanner eggs(not holding my breath though) and maybe some Harris hawk eggs ... I may let the harris's do it them selfs tho.

I'm going to tell you how I have prepared so far and hopefully some of you can give me some pointers or even constructive critsim

Food..
5 days Quail....two of those day's I feed fresh still twitching quail. 1 day of Rabbit or squirrel 1 day of ungutted chicks

Incubators/brooders
I have one oct 20 pro (that has the humidity controler) and 2 additional oct 20 DX's
1 Brinsea TLC 4 Brooder and intend to make a second stage brooder with two fireglow bulbs on a twin dimmer switch (have made a prototype from s**** wood and tested on quail) Oh and brinsea cool lume high intensity candeler

Incubator Room !!
I have set aside a large walk in cuboard within inside my house as a incubation room and coated/ceiling the walls with Gloss paint and covered the floors with heavy duty plastic (humidity here is currently 33%)
Running the incubators dry here I get 15% humidity

Research
I have read the nick fox book on the subject ... The falcon propagation book as well as a few others....and studied one video of nick fox "preparation for breeding" and about to order the thrid on "incubation and hatching"

Practice !!!
I have familirised myself with the incubators and egg weight charts by hatching quail (based on 13% weight loss for quail eggs)



Now I spoke with Terry a week or so ago and was advised that Redtail eggs can be a bit of a problem to get the weight off.. It was also agreed that a post on the subject of incubation may be of Intrest to all lot of people

so if any of you guys can give constructive advice on any of the above and on controling egg weight loss during Incubation I am all ears.

Regards Flame
hopefully the start to a great thread flame,good luck sounds like you've done ur homework,i look forward to keeping tabs on this one......;-)

[GaryPCO]

Come on guys there must be someone with a few tips trade secrets help the girl out she seems to have done a lot of work to get where she is,im a bit miffed i thought someone would be around to give some sort of advice,i aint got a clue so this thread interests me as well,what do you guys do that makes a difference,there must be something......;)

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Thats why there trade secrets.

[GaryPCO]

Thats why there trade secrets.
i understand that mate but at the end of the day everyone is quick enough to condem people for not doing things right,surely we should all help each other out to a certain degree surely breeding quality birds is the most important thing people should strive for even if it doesnt concern them it can only promote good breeding practice,at the end of the day,i try to breed the best pups i can whenever i have a litter,if someone asked me for advice id go out of my way to help,id be pleased and touched if someone took my advice and did that little extra to make the breed of dog or line that much better,i know bop breeding is a 1000 times more complicated than dog breeding but it shouldnt hidden away to an extent where the breed suffers come on guys ur views please.........

[Rocky]

Hi Flame,
Not hatched any redtails but last year i hatched ferruginous hawks in a octagon 20dx
Mel

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Rather than an incubation problem, it sounds like a cyncrnicity problem between male and female bird.

[Red-Devil]

hopefully the start to a great thread flame,good luck sounds like you've done ur homework,i look forward to keeping tabs on this one......;-)
hi what your after is covered in hatching and incubation video good luck rd

[Out Hunting]

It is important to not let the temperature of the incubator/brooder room to fluctuate too much, a stable temp is best along with a stable and adjustable humidity.

Good luck, and keep us informed!

:D :D

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Most adjustable humidity units are useless for the job in hand as they only add not take away moisture. You need to loose not gain weight!

[Kentish Falconry]

Come on guys there must be someone with a few tips trade secrets help the girl out she seems to have done a lot of work to get where she is,im a bit miffed i thought someone would be around to give some sort of advice,i aint got a clue so this thread interests me as well,what do you guys do that makes a difference,there must be something......;)

Hi Flame is coming here to attend the AI course and I believe was one of the people who also wanted the course to include Incubation, this is far better learnt by hands on type of learning than by me spouting off pages and pages of info on here.
If there are enough people interested in a days introduction to Incubation I have already said that I would be willing to run a course just for this. There is such a lot to learn about Incubation that if I were to start it here then I might as well just sit down and write a book and sell it but I just don't have the time.
ATB
Terry:supz: :supz:

[GosFlyer]

hi what happened to the red tail eggs that didnt hatch. were their fully formed chicks in them or were they clear( not fertilized) if they appeared fresh when broken open they were not fertile. if they were milky part rotten but no sign off a chick they were fertile but it died in the very early stages of incubation. the unhatched egg tells a lot.:wink:

[BlackShaheen1]

flame can my eyes be lying to me your a female into incubating bop eggs .marry me and i mean right now .bifor the season realy kicks in

[Kentish Falconry]

Most adjustable humidity units are useless for the job in hand as they only add not take away moisture. You need to loose not gain weight!
Karl
That is dependant on how each individual egg is acting in the incubation system some may need humidity higher than running dry some may need less so you would have 3 choices 1, install a dehumidifier in the Incubation room or add Silica crystals to incubator or drill egg, the choice is yours I use a combination of all 3 at times
Terry :yawinkle:

[Red-Devil]

Hi Flame is coming here to attend the AI course and I believe was one of the people who also wanted the course to include Incubation, this is far better learnt by hands on type of learning than by me spouting off pages and pages of info on here.
If there are enough people interested in a days introduction to Incubation I have already said that I would be willing to run a course just for this. There is such a lot to learn about Incubation that if I were to start it here then I might as well just sit down and write a book and sell it but I just don't have the time.
ATB
Terry:supz: :supz:
book me in please terry rd

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Karl
That is dependant on how each individual egg is acting in the incubation system some may need humidity higher than running dry some may need less so you would have 3 choices 1, install a dehumidifier in the Incubation room or add Silica crystals to incubator or drill egg, the choice is yours I use a combination of all 3 at times
Terry :yawinkle:
I agree but an open ended question like I need to know about incubation is a bit lame Terry. The ammount of subject matter is enormous, as you rightly say and the danger is missinterpritation of infomation recieved. When it comes down to it a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Go do the course with Terry he has a lot of knowledge to impart to those who are willing to learn.

[Kentish Falconry]

I agree but an open ended question like I need to know about incubation is a bit lame Terry. The ammount of subject matter is enormous, as you rightly say and the danger is missinterpritation of infomation recieved. When it comes down to it a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Go do the course with Terry he has a lot of knowledge to impart to those who are willing to learn.

Karl, I have no doubt that you know what you are doing with incubation and it is an open ended question but I just had to answer what you said and it has proved to me what I thought so now I will call you Timex the self winding watch lol and if you F*ck up with the GE eggs your gonna get it good from me lol
Terry :supz: :supz: :supz:

[Jeremiah Johnson]

Black Shaheen1
flame can my eyes be lying to me your a female into incubating bop eggs .marry me and i mean right now .bifor the season realy kicks in


I think you would Get a shock on your honey moon if we did...and I'm not sure my wife would approve!


K...
Rather than an incubation problem, it sounds like a cyncrnicity problem between male and female bird.

That was my conclusion but after reading GosFlyers Post It is possible that they were fertile as the eggs when opened were milky and part rotten

Also in hindsight it is a opened ended subject to post about & perhaps I should have carried on been the tight lipped person I am and not posted.. However I suppose what I was after was constructive critsim on how i have gone about preparing so far (altho that is the easy bit )


Terry
I signed up for a AI course ( which i really looking forward too!) .
Incubation was mentioned after (not by me) although I did state Incubation would be great... I'm coming down to you for a AI course to gain knowledge for the future should I ever decide to take that route.. not to pester you about Incubation.
However If you do an Incubation course ill be there too..!

Thanks to all others that have replied

Regards Flame

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Karl, I have no doubt that you know what you are doing with incubation and it is an open ended question but I just had to answer what you said and it has proved to me what I thought so now I will call you Timex the self winding watch lol and if you F*ck up with the GE eggs your gonna get it good from me lol
Terry :supz: :supz: :supz:
For the main part the eagle eggs are going to be incubated by the parent bird.

[BlackShaheen1]

Come on guys there must be someone with a few tips trade secrets help the girl out she seems to have done a lot of work to get where she is,im a bit miffed i thought someone would be around to give some sort of advice,i aint got a clue so this thread interests me as well,what do you guys do that makes a difference,there must be something......;)
flame see what happens when when i get my wiers crossed what happens .i get all besides my self and i had pland a wonderfull life together.lol. anyway your dumped your **** in the sack and you always leave the loo seat up and you never take me out anymore pmsl . so you will just have to get over it and move on after all we have been through together .it hurts me just as mutch as it hurts you but it best we just call it a day hope you under stand i diddent want to dump you in public but its the only way i can cope drop your key off and collect you stuf asap all the best bs1 .....pmsl

[GaryPCO]

flame see what happens when when i get my wiers crossed what happens .i get all besides my self and i had pland a wonderfull life together.lol. anyway your dumped your **** in the sack and you always leave the loo seat up and you never take me out anymore pmsl . so you will just have to get over it and move on after all we have been through together .it hurts me just as mutch as it hurts you but it best we just call it a day hope you under stand i diddent want to dump you in public but its the only way i can cope drop your key off and collect you stuf asap all the best bs1 .....pmsl
OOPS!!!sorry flame dont know why i came to that conclusion lol!!!
must be cos blaze is a woman,obviously lol,sorry black shaheen didnt mean to build ur hopes up maybe you could go out on a date with blaze lol,anyhow at least we got the thread going cheers folks.........:cool:

[Kentish Falconry]

OOPS!!!sorry flame dont know why i came to that conclusion lol!!!
must be cos blaze is a woman,obviously lol,sorry black shaheen didnt mean to build ur hopes up maybe you could go out on a date with blaze lol,anyhow at least we got the thread going cheers folks.........:cool:

Hi Gary you just done it again M8 Blaze is male or at least he says he is lol
I know we have seen a pic of him wearing a skirt some time back and he acts like a big tart sometimes and he is having an affair with a goat but come on I am sure he/she is not dressing up in drag all the time
Terry :supz: :supz:

[GaryPCO]

Hi Gary you just done it again M8 Blaze is male or at least he says he is lol
I know we have seen a pic of him wearing a skirt some time back and he acts like a big tart sometimes and he is having an affair with a goat but come on I am sure he/she is not dressing up in drag all the time
Terry
im tellin you terry blaze is a chick lol,she stayed here all weekend if you know what i mean my goat was a billy goat,if she didnt have him shed of had me im telling you, a maneater she is......crazy woman i seen her naked its not a pretty sight,il send u the pics of her underneath my goat!!!!

UCH A FI!!!!!!!:oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: