BIRD FLU - suspected case in Winchester

[ChakChek]

iv just had word that 2 swans have been found dead in Winchester, which is where i am at this moment at college. Just thought people may like to know incase they live near.

at the moment as far as i know they are being checked for bird flu, im not sure when any results will be given out but il keep on at my lecturers about it and post it up if i find anything else out.

[Mr_Colin]

Every dead bird is gonna be a suspected bird flu case and tested as a precaution, I wouldn't worry too much till it's confirmed.

[ChakChek]

Every dead bird is gonna be a suspected bird flu case and tested as a precaution, I wouldn't worry too much till it's confirmed.

rats, i was gunna put that in my post, but yeah, very good point

[NGuruve]

ooo guess i will have a lecture on that now tmorrow but anyways doubt it is but will suck big style if it is

[Ninja-Jon]

Will keep my ears open and try and have a few words with the vets. I collect offal Heads+feet feather and blood from the slaughter houses where the poultry is killed for human consumptaion. Surelly this company will no whats happing regards the bird flu as companies like this will be the first to have the bann imposed upon them regards having the chickens deliverd for Salughter if i hear anything will let you know if they are prepared to tell me anything.....

[Boobook]

From Sky News website:

Bird Flu Tests Negative
Updated: 16:56, Monday February 20, 2006

Nine dead swans found across Britain over the weekend have tested negative for the H5N1 strain of bird flu.

The tests follow confirmation a duck which died of the virus in France had the lethal strain - as our interactive map shows.

The nine swans in the UK were sent for tests after members of the public called a helpline over the weekend.

They were found in Bury St Edmonds, Winchester, Preston, Shrewsbury, Thirsk and Hertfordshire.

The British Veterinary Association said the heightened awareness of avian flu meant anybody finding a dead bird is likely to report it.

[Gaz]

...if the "bird" got the flu in France..wouldnt it be to ill/weak to fly across the channel..:confused: ..just a thought:supz:

[Tim Laycock]

Strange isnt it, How when dird flu is found in a country the entire avian and human population drops dead.............Oh hang on, thats ******** :lol:

I will be worried about bird flu when a letter from Defra drops through my door telling me my bird is to be culled!
Until then its just a load of pie, thrown into the sky by some alarmist assholes :roll:

Does my face look bothered? :D

[Saker-Sucker]

...if the "bird" got the flu in France..wouldnt it be to ill/weak to fly across the channel..:confused: ..just a thought:supz:

My sentiments also; I don't know how true some info is but I was told that it only takes 24 hours from contracting the disease to death!!!...........we also have the channel to get over and my guess is that most would fall in theocean..........................IMO:confused:

[Saker-Sucker]

..................also to catch it, our birds have either got to kill and eat one and/or get **** on by an infected bird!!! I probably stand more chance winning the lottery twice on the trot....................8-)

[Falcon]

Strange isnt it, How when dird flu is found in a country the entire avian and human population drops dead.............Oh hang on, thats ******** :lol:

I will be worried about bird flu when a letter from Defra drops through my door telling me my bird is to be culled!
Until then its just a load of pie, thrown into the sky by some alarmist assholes :roll:

Does my face look bothered? :D

Reckon your spot on! pointless worrying about it till it happens!

[BrianM]

at the mo its just the situation regarding DOCs that worries me

[Saker-Sucker]

at the mo its just the situation regarding DOCs that worries me

My supplier told me over the weekend that he thinks 'we' should try and stock up on them but my thinking is, the moult is very close; if there is a shortage of DOCs, then they will be eating more rodents, rabbit, pheasant (I got 6 in the freezer) quail etc.
Failling that, might have to consider breeding quail or something!!!

[Gaz]

!!!...........we also have the channel ..kept the krauts out:supz: :supz: :supz:

[Palmer]

!!!...........we also have the channel ..kept the krauts out:supz: :supz: :supz:

LOL:supz:

[Jack Merlin]

The truth as stated on Radio 4 early this morning:

"The most worrying thing about Bird Flu is the fact that DEFRA is in charge of its control".

I couldn't possibly comment....

[Tim Laycock]

My sentiment entirely

[Palmer]

Just incase bird flu did get over here would you put a totally solid rooth on your aviarys?

[The Ninja]

July 05: Russia confirms bird flu. Slaughters 600,000 poultry.

October 05: Turkey's first cases. Since then, 12 humans have become infected, four have died.

October 05: Wildfowl in Zdenci, eastern Croatia die of HN51.

January 06: New cases of bird flu among wild birds in the port of Sevastopol, Ukraine. Virus first found last October.

January: Domestic poultry in northern Cyprus die of HN51. More cases in the Crimea, where the virus was found last year.

11 February: The virus was found in swans in Puglia and Calabria, southern Italy, and in Sicily.

11 February: Greece confirmed bird flu near the northern city of Thessaloniki. The disease was also detected in Vidin, Bulgaria.

13 February: Greece says a dead goose on the Aegean island of Skyros was infected with HN51.

14 February: Austria confirms cases near Graz. Germany confirms cases in the Baltic island of Ruegen.

17 February: Bird flu reaches France. A dead duck in the south-east was confirmed to have the H5 strain of bird flu and suspected to have the HN51 strain, which can be transmitted to humans.


People are right to worry, right to be concerned & right to be prepared.
Best case scenario is that it doesn't reach us. (highly unlikely)
Worst case scenario, well I think we all have an idea of that.

[Hells99]

at the mo its just the situation regarding DOCs that worries me
I had heard that blast freezing kills the virus, can anyone with definite knowledge either confirm or refute this, please?

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Just incase bird flu did get over here would you put a totally solid rooth on your aviarys?
I'm fortunate in that Ialready have them.

[Saker-Sucker]

the latest from DEFRA

http://www.defra.gov.uk/news/2006/060217a.htm

[BrianM]

I'm fortunate in that Ialready have them.


me too

[Palmer]

Well all it is for me is a matter of screwing down another peice of roof

[Mr_Colin]

me too

me three

[Falcon911]

I heard on the tv the other morning that there will be a one mile exclusion zone around an area where an infected bird is found and ALL other birds in this zone will be culled. Can anyone confirm this?
There's a river less than 1/4 of a mile from me full of Duck's, Geese, Swans etc.......
What the hell's the point of killing my birds if they are showing no sign's of illness and are they them gonna put a net over the river and shoot any other bird that flys near it??
Mad if it's true....

Andy

[Lady-Luck]

our vet had a meeting for poultry keepers just before xmas, he didnt tell us much more than what was ont he news, just to be prepared to take all birds indoors, or build purpose built sheds for them, he did also tell us that all birds with in 5 miles radius of anywhere found to have it will be culled-a hell of a lot of birds in our area wild ones and all. o and cats are supposed to be suseptable to.

[NewBird]

I heard on the tv the other morning that there will be a one mile exclusion zone around an area where an infected bird is found and ALL other birds in this zone will be culled. Can anyone confirm this?
There's a river less than 1/4 of a mile from me full of Duck's, Geese, Swans etc.......
What the hell's the point of killing my birds if they are showing no sign's of illness and are they them gonna put a net over the river and shoot any other bird that flys near it??
Mad if it's true....

Andy
Remember foot and mouth anyone ? Complacency would, I think, be a mistake. I remember what it felt like when it was poss our pet lambs would have to be culled - I don't ever want that again....What I can't discover is whether bringing 'indoors' would include a mews with 'run' with a solid roof and very small guage mesh sides ( ie too small to allow wild birds in) or whether inside means totally shut off from outside.
Anyone really know ?
NewBird

[Zam]

Remember foot and mouth anyone ? Complacency would, I think, be a mistake. I remember what it felt like when it was poss our pet lambs would have to be culled - I don't ever want that again....What I can't discover is whether bringing 'indoors' would include a mews with 'run' with a solid roof and very small guage mesh sides ( ie too small to allow wild birds in) or whether inside means totally shut off from outside.
Anyone really know ?
NewBird

I was led to believe (although it may not be correct!) that transmission of the virus was through direct contact with an infected bird/pooh/meat etc

I have aviaries which are fully covered at the back - with solid walls - while the front half is open for the birds to get sun etc. I have done exactly as you are suggesting. Put a solid roof over the front half and covered the whole open area with 12mm tough bird-proof netting. NOTHING can get through to my birds - but is this deemed to be good enough?

I certainly don't want to have them in a totally "boarded up" type aviary. I would be concerned about the lack of decent ventilation!!:(

Does anyone have any information/guidelines on this?

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

Is it not weird that DEFRA who is suppose to be our gouverment, has not given out any kind of guidelines at all?
No one seems to know anything about what we are allowed to do and what to expect when it comes?
Its on the doorstep and we have no way really of prepering ourself as there is no guidelines out from DEFRA. You would be surprised on how big % of DEFRAS job is to do with captive raptors, still not one single letter or note to let us know what to expect...........

[HawkMan]

I want compensation if i have to cull my birds lads ,
All the roofs are covered some sides welded wire mesh 50mm x 50 mm .
Ive got ducks in me back which we are going to build cover over there pen soon ?
Im scared really as no 1 from defra has said what we need to do .
All the best
Jb

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

Apparentaly bop keepers/breeders are not under agriculture, so no compensation if birds where to be culled (by word from DEFRA themself)............

[Bengal Owl]

on the news they said if we get hit by it the it would be around April March
as all 9 swans had shown up negative to h5n1 strain all i know that january i build and in door aviary in the spare room just in case it does come

[Falcon911]

Hi ATFHB, (I don't know how to do the quote bit!) Reference your comments I telephoned lots of numbers at DEFRA today to try and confirm that all birds will be culled in a one mile exclusion zone around a case of avian flu and guess what - NOBODY could tell me what is happening! I even spoke to a Duty Vet and asked him why my birds would have to be killed if anything was found on the local river and all he could say was 'it's to prevent it spreading'.
What a load of ****.
The other thing that gets up my nose are the charges for A10's. I asked DEFRA what A10'S are for - 'Schedule whatever blah,blah,blah birds' So I asked what schedule blah,blah,blah birds are - 'protected and ENDANGERED SPECIES'.
Why are we all having to pay charges for DOMESTIC birds of prey (a lot of these are hybrids also) when they have nothing to do with the above??????
I had heard that other country's ignore the A10'S - is this true does anyone know??
I think we should all stand together and tell DEFRA to get lost...........
Rgds
Andy

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

Oh dear, you just opened a can of worms mate, a lot a lot has gone on behind the scenes that no one knowes about. Certain breeders and bop keepers has been trying to put pressure on DEFRA for a long time (hybrids, protected spieces????!!!!), there is no reason for both blue doc and A-10 as it is just a repeating of the same info twice, why not join them?? Save paperwork, money (as they complain about to much paperwork and need for increase charges to cover wages).
Without us they would not have a job in the first place!!
DEFRAs so called sciantific advisers (JNCC) is infiltred with RSPB and Bird Life Internationall who is completly against falconry in the first place.
The reason they do not make the legal system easier is because RSPB protested and told blantant lies (no one checked up on the info provided, and now the RSPB been cornerd and can not give an answer to where there false info came from).
The bird flue will be the best oppertunity ever for DEFRA to put a lid on falconry and raptor breeding, they will not relese any info and they will make it very hard for you to get legal help untill they basically knock on your door and then its to late!!
Everyone should phone them (harass them) and put some pressure on them to provide information and guidelines for all raptor keepers, if help or info denied, local MP's should be contacted.
Im not over reacting, ask Terry at Kentish and he will confirmed all I said and add more to it.

[Falcon911]

Seriously then why doesn't everyone with captive bred domestic stock club together and not comply with the crazy A10's.
Surely if everyone did it, it would be difficult to enforce?

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

You are absolutely right mate, something really ought to be done about DEFRA and all the very complicated and over stupid laws, but how to make a lot of falconers/breeders join together??
"We" can never agree on anyting anyway. The main problem is that RSPB and suchlike is united for a comon course, falconers weakest spot is that we never agree on anything and will take any oppertunity to come down on eachother, this forum is the best prof for that!!

[Falcon911]

I know what you mean but how many people think A10's are a good idea?

QUESTION -ANYONE THINK A10's ARE A GOOD IDEA FOR DOMESTIC BIRDS?????????


I would think most people could be contacted through clubs, forums and friends etc.
Word would soon get around about this joyous news. It would probably be more effective than getting any news from DEFRA!

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

I think to get A-10 off is a impossibility, it is a law within the EEC so you have to have it unless we would try to fight the whole of the EEC laws, but what I fail to understand is why the UK has to have a additional paperwork repeating the same info "The blue document", why do we have to reg. birds under the WILDLIFE and countryside act????
Its only the UK who has an additional registration as well as the A-10.
Bird reg. should have been s****ed a long time ago expecially for hybrids!!??