What bird does this wing belong to?

[Palmer]

What bird does this wing belong to?
I was out with my hawk the other day and came across this wing.
I was just wondering what bird it belonged to because the gamekeeper around here has been known to shoot red kites and buzzards. But never been able to proove it.
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[MattSpar]

Looks like goose to me.

[Palmer]

LOL yea thats what i just thought.
But pretty rare around here.

[MattSpar]

Where are you, Oxfordshire? Canada goose perhaps?

[Puzo]

Looks like maybe a canada goose it's hard to tell the size but best guess

[Palmer]

Yea perhaps i rekon it may be, but it was in a very strange place for a goose to be there arnt many ponds, lakes about.

[MattSpar]

Strange place? Could have been carried there. Fox?

[ChakChek]

geese dont souly live near ponds because most of them are grazers i beleive?

[Palmer]

Ow right, yea i believe it could have been a goose. Dying of natural causes hopefully, this is a sceary thought but what if it's birdflu what it died of?

[Luke Davison]

If you have still got the wing, try putting a bit of water on it. if it's anything like a duck the water should glide off really smoothly.

just an idea....

[Palmer]

If you have still got the wing, try putting a bit of water on it. if it's anything like a duck the water should glide off really smoothly.

just an idea....

Yea good idea, but arn't "normal" birds also waterproof, or are they not as much?

[Out Hunting]

Canada Goose M8!

If the keeper has been known to shoot protected spp. then he would have been prosecuted. Speculation is one thing, but unfounded accusations another!

[Barbary Boy]

cant see the pic m8?

[Out Hunting]

Thats because its on page 1 BB. LOL

:supz: :supz:

[Barbary Boy]

Canada Goose M8!

If the keeper has been known to shoot protected spp. then he would have been prosecuted. Speculation is one thing, but unfounded accusations another!
show me someone who has anything to do with game rearing and ill show you someone who persecutes birds of prey? its just a case of ?to what extent? they all deny it ! of course! there employers deny it obviously! but they are all at it to one degree or another. some actually like bop but occasionally one oversteps the mark and requires "removing" others still wage war on anything with a hooked beak and anything else that isnt "game".you will never prove it, they will allways deny it i will be a **** for saying it !but it is the truth? there will be hundreds of peregrines, goshawks and hundreds of other bop "removed" every year without anyone ever knowing it, but we cant get licenses because they are rare?

[ChuddyJT250]

show me someone who has anything to do with game rearing and ill show you someone who persecutes birds of prey? its just a case of ?to what extent? they all deny it ! of course! there employers deny it obviously! but they are all at it to one degree or another. some actually like bop but occasionally one oversteps the mark and requires "removing" others still wage war on anything with a hooked beak and anything else that isnt "game".you will never prove it, they will allways deny it i will be a **** for saying it !but it is the truth? there will be hundreds of peregrines, goshawks and hundreds of other bop "removed" every year without anyone ever knowing it, but we cant get licenses because they are rare?

Thats a synical way of looking at things BB. Sad thing is that its often true

[Red-Devil]

show me someone who has anything to do with game rearing and ill show you someone who persecutes birds of prey? its just a case of ?to what extent? they all deny it ! of course! there employers deny it obviously! but they are all at it to one degree or another. some actually like bop but occasionally one oversteps the mark and requires "removing" others still wage war on anything with a hooked beak and anything else that isnt "game".you will never prove it, they will allways deny it i will be a **** for saying it !but it is the truth? there will be hundreds of peregrines, goshawks and hundreds of other bop "removed" every year without anyone ever knowing it, but we cant get licenses because they are rare?
slightly of thread but all of obove i second ,gamekeepers round hear will kill anything that looks at the phesants

[Barbary Boy]

Thats a synical way of looking at things BB. Sad thing is that its often true
I KNOW FOR A FACT ITS TRUE

[Out Hunting]

show me someone who has anything to do with game rearing and ill show you someone who persecutes birds of prey? its just a case of ?to what extent? they all deny it ! of course! there employers deny it obviously! but they are all at it to one degree or another. some actually like bop but occasionally one oversteps the mark and requires "removing" others still wage war on anything with a hooked beak and anything else that isnt "game".you will never prove it, they will allways deny it i will be a **** for saying it !but it is the truth? there will be hundreds of peregrines, goshawks and hundreds of other bop "removed" every year without anyone ever knowing it, but we cant get licenses because they are rare?


You could be quite right M8, however there is one exeption i know of, ME, never harmed a BOP but i do shoot and do rear game, though the game now is destined for my falcons and not for shoots. I do know of one particular shoot captain who openly asks people to 'shoot those bloody buzzards' but this is now out of my hands! and details have been passed on to the relevent authorities.

But hey, look on page 1 for the pictures, i think that was my origional gag! LOL

[ChuddyJT250]

Yea m8 But as with all things where theres commercial gain nature as a whole suffers. not all keepers are like that but some need shootin

[Hacker]

Keith m8,
I am sorry but i have to refute your last post as i have always been involved with shooting gamebirds ever since i was big enough to hold a gun, but at the same time i have always been involved in falconry and not once would i harm a bop.
I spend many a night lamping foxes etc. but when it comes to bop`s then never would i attempt to harm one.
We have a pair of buzzards that use a large ash tree by one of our rearing pens as a favourite lookout, but thet are still there many years down the line.
I feel we must get rid of this jaundiced view that anyone involved in shooting is a threat to bop`s as without each others support we will all fall.
No doubt there are the odd bad apples but then there must be plenty of "practising falconers" that are killing birds through lack of knowledge.
Some of us are true country boys or girls regardless of our sports and love to see any gracefull bop in it`s true enviroment. Unharmed.
:lol: :lol:
Other than that m8 when are you going to post your owl pic`s on the owly thread?;)

[ChuddyJT250]

Keith m8,
I am sorry but i have to refute your last post as i have always been involved with shooting gamebirds ever since i was big enough to hold a gun, but at the same time i have always been involved in falconry and not once would i harm a bop.
I spend many a night lamping foxes etc. but when it comes to bop`s then never would i attempt to harm one.
We have a pair of buzzards that use a large ash tree by one of our rearing pens as a favourite lookout, but thet are still there many years down the line.
I feel we must get rid of this jaundiced view that anyone involved in shooting is a threat to bop`s as without each others support we will all fall.
No doubt there are the odd bad apples but then there must be plenty of "practising falconers" that are killing birds through lack of knowledge.
Some of us are true country boys or girls regardless of our sports and love to see any gracefull bop in it`s true enviroment. Unharmed.
:lol: :lol:
Other than that m8 when are you going to post your owl pic`s on the owly thread?;)

Well said! wish i could write as diplomatically as that

[NGuruve]

haha i have to admit im on a gamekeeping and wildlife managment course and dontwanna be a gamekeeper im just after the qualification but many peps on the course hate bops

we had a trip to the hawk conservancy and manyoff the game boys were terrified of the birds which i thought odd but yer they do kill bops

[ChuddyJT250]

haha i have to admit im on a gamekeeping and wildlife managment course and dontwanna be a gamekeeper im just after the qualification but many peps on the course hate bops

we had a trip to the hawk conservancy and manyoff the game boys were terrified of the birds which i thought odd but yer they do kill bops

Is that the National Award in Countrysid Management? If so i did that last year, good choice of course m8:supz: . wot college u @. im @ Plumpton Agric coll doing National Diploma in Countryside Management

[Out Hunting]

Or you at Sparsholt? i was there doing the GWHM ND many moons ago!

[Hacker]

haha i have to admit im on a gamekeeping and wildlife managment course and dontwanna be a gamekeeper im just after the qualification but many peps on the course hate bops

we had a trip to the hawk conservancy and manyoff the game boys were terrified of the birds which i thought odd but yer they do kill bops
Rather than all this heresay, why not do people actually report all these so called bop killers.
After all i thought you are meant to like bops and their welfare, not just talk about it.
Some people really p*** me off!!!!!!!!!!
Or is it all gossip, ie all the pretenders just saying what they feel is acceptable.

[Barbary Boy]

Keith m8,
I am sorry but i have to refute your last post as i have always been involved with shooting gamebirds ever since i was big enough to hold a gun, but at the same time i have always been involved in falconry and not once would i harm a bop.
I spend many a night lamping foxes etc. but when it comes to bop`s then never would i attempt to harm one.
We have a pair of buzzards that use a large ash tree by one of our rearing pens as a favourite lookout, but thet are still there many years down the line.
I feel we must get rid of this jaundiced view that anyone involved in shooting is a threat to bop`s as without each others support we will all fall.
No doubt there are the odd bad apples but then there must be plenty of "practising falconers" that are killing birds through lack of knowledge.
Some of us are true country boys or girls regardless of our sports and love to see any gracefull bop in it`s true enviroment. Unharmed.
:lol: :lol:
Other than that m8 when are you going to post your owl pic`s on the owly thread?;)
im not talking about people who shoot, im talking about full time keepers in particular. though i KNOW a lot of amature "keepers" are no better.i dont beleive anyone, including the "spit on the ground" rspb really understand the full extent of the problem. these guys are murdering huge amounts of bop every year and will continue to do so forever there is virtually no way to stop them as they operate so far from the comfy offices of the enforcment agencies. we should have a system were falconers could remove problem birds from particular places, as have other countries, but weve got the good old rspb! so were ****ed as the government seems to beleive every thing they say! peregrines are still endangered in this country by the way? never forget! they are a charity not a government agency?

[Hacker]

I am not sying everyone is chalky white m8, i know there are some out there that want shooting themselves, but there are many that are now pro bop`s.
We do our own keepering, so realise what the impact predators have on our poults and bops is minimal m8.

Well, where are your fav owly pic`s then?:lol:

[Out Hunting]

Rather than all this heresay, why not do people actually report all these so called bop killers.
After all i thought you are meant to like bops and their welfare, not just talk about it.
Some people really p*** me off!!!!!!!!!!
Or is it all gossip, ie all the pretenders just saying what they feel is acceptable.


I tend to agree. There is so much talk on the forum re: BOP killers but there are very few actual prosecutions through the courts. If you know someone who claims to be killing these animals then report it. The only way to stop this 'mass destruction' of birds of prey which is talked about on this forum or on gamekeeping courses is to get prosecutions through the court and send out the message that this is NOT acceptable. Get photos, physical evidence, video or tape recordings, if the authorities can not do this well we have to do it, then pass the evidence on. If you cant do this or can not be bothered to do it then dont harp on about this mass slaughter of BOP.
Just one other small point most of the land we fly over will be managed for game, but the keepers still allow you there:confused: :confused:

[Hacker]

I tend to agree. There is so much talk on the forum re: BOP killers but there are very few actual prosecutions through the courts. If you know someone who claims to be killing these animals then report it. The only way to stop this 'mass destruction' of birds of prey which is talked about on this forum or on gamekeeping courses is to get prosecutions through the court and send out the message that this is NOT acceptable. Get photos, physical evidence, video or tape recordings, if the authorities can not do this well we have to do it, then pass the evidence on. If you cant do this or can not be bothered to do it then dont harp on about this mass slaughter of BOP.
Just one other small point most of the land we fly over will be managed for game, but the keepers still allow you there:confused: :confused:
Very well said that man!!!!

[Barbary Boy]

"people claiming to do this?" who the hell is going to claim to kill bop? of course they wont! but it is going on on a massive scale. its only when you get to know these people that they "hint" at whats going on . these guys know thier beat and know when its safe to "do anything" they are usually so remote from any law enforcement that they are the law! do not! anyone be unconvinced it is happening all over the country right under your very noses,these guys can take out a nest before anyone including the "authorities" even knew it existed. its prime time publicity to catch one falconer with one dodgy bird. easy meat for the antis! but to catch a keeper is virtually impossable! but they are the main enemy , we know it, the authorities know it every one knows it but they cant be touched so dont fool yourselves! then theres the pigeon fanciers?

[OwlsFoot]

looks like a pink footed goose to me may be a canada but hard to tell nothin to scale it against

[falconer 1987]

looks like Canada Goose to me m8.

[Red-Devil]

"people claiming to do this?" who the hell is going to claim to kill bop? of course they wont! but it is going on on a massive scale. its only when you get to know these people that they "hint" at whats going on . these guys know thier beat and know when its safe to "do anything" they are usually so remote from any law enforcement that they are the law! do not! anyone be unconvinced it is happening all over the country right under your very noses,these guys can take out a nest before anyone including the "authorities" even knew it existed. its prime time publicity to catch one falconer with one dodgy bird. easy meat for the antis! but to catch a keeper is virtually impossable! but they are the main enemy , we know it, the authorities know it every one knows it but they cant be touched so dont fool yourselves! then theres the pigeon fanciers?
WAKE UP THIS IS HOW IT IS !!!!!!!!!!!remove your blinkers if you dont think it is

[NGuruve]

Is that the National Award in Countrysid Management? If so i did that last year, good choice of course m8:supz: . wot college u @. im @ Plumpton Agric coll doing National Diploma in Countryside Management
no m8 mine is in game keeping and wildlife managment and it the national diploma soa two year course chackcheck on here is doing the nd in countryside managment

[Luke Davison]

Yea good idea, but arn't "normal" birds also waterproof, or are they not as much?

HH about the waterproof thing on normal birds, they are a little bit waterproof. But mainly water birds have a higher level of oil on their feathers to make sure they dont get wet and because oil is less dense then water so it helps keep them afloot.