panacur

[johnny abbott]

hi to you all i have heard that you should not give panacur to your birds before you put them down for the moult as this can cause problems just wandering if anyone can tell me what the problems are as i have always used panacur without any ill effects

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Same here mate. I think this could be a bit of an urban mith thing.

[Midland hawker]

hi johnny im new 2 her can u tell me the correct dossage 4 harris hawks as mine have always been done by the vet and thinkin of havin ago myself

[Sean]

erm this may sound stupid, but whats panacure?

[Saker-Sucker]

I've always dosed at the end of the season with Panacur, then again in 10 days just to make sure................if there are any eggs in the body, they would then start the cycle again.

Most people recomend having a mute sample tested; this way, you are not putting un-necessary drugs into the birds system. A sample test apparently only costs £7-8.
I only do it as my bird eats his kills.

[Saker-Sucker]

Worming treatment Sean.:P

[Sean]

ahh now i get it lol

[Saker-Sucker]

hi johnny im new 2 her can u tell me the correct dossage 4 harris hawks as mine have always been done by the vet and thinkin of havin ago myself

1ml per 1kg of weight.

[Midland hawker]

thanks saker -sucker

[johnny abbott]

hi to you all i have heard that you should not give panacur to your birds before you put them down for the moult as this can cause problems just wandering if anyone can tell me what the problems are as i have always used panacur without any ill effects
just a quick word re panacur or any other wormers panacur is not every birds liking 2 of our birds have being very ill and 1 nearly died luckly every thing turned uot ok they were both fhhs so please be very careful

[Saker-Sucker]

What was the problem JA, allergic reaction, overdose?

[Dave G]

ive always kept an eye on mine regards to worms ,and dont give worming treatment unless requires ?? as like it has been stated could be fatal

[johnny abbott]

What was the problem JA, allergic reaction, overdose?took both birds to andrew greenwood and in his opinion it was a reaction

[Saker-Sucker]

Just out of curiosity, who uses what; liquid (i do) granules or paste?

[johnny abbott]

Just out of curiosity, who uses what; liquid (i do) granules or paste?i use panacur and ivomec

[Coedhirion]

1ml per 1kg of weight.

Most panacure you buy is 10% and dose rate varies according to strength you buy and what you are worming for. One dose kills a lot, but in bad infestation you give several doses.
Any doubts, phone your Avian vet, the phone call is free!! the visit if you get it wrong is expensive

[Barry]

Be very carefull with doses, Panacur is a wormer for dogs, cats, & cattle in stronger formulas. You can get it at 10% 20% and 50% I believe. The correct dose for birds of prey at the 10% liquid solution is 0.0143ml per ounce of body weight. I find that in its natural form it is too thick to go through the tiny needles you will need to inject the liquid into yours hawks food. To overcome this I take a disinfected pot, add 1ml of water, mix in 1ml ov Panacur at 10% and double the dose. If you do this (especially when worming several birds) make sure you keep stirring the mix as the Panacur starts to sink under the water. I inject into the muscles of chick legs and offer the legs only at the start of the birds meal so that I know the full dose has gone in.
The moult/poison thing is relative to Accipiters. I do not have any proof it is true, but the old guys used to say that the hormonal imbalance at the start of the moult could make an accipiter sick, but more likely it just causes fret marks on the new feathers.

Hope this is of some use.

Barry.

[Bones]

I use panacur which is pre mixed from the vet for my HH which i crop tube into them but was told by him when i had breeding redtails to be carefull using it on the reds cause he had heard of a few reactions involving reds and panacur
PAUL

[StormRider]

I personally have had no problems with it (Harrises and Pere's) but have heard about 2 instances where problems have occured. The first was on a Female Spar, it lasted about 3 hours after dose. The vet believed it had accidently been overdosed on panacure (too much in the mix). The second was a female Coopers that my mate had. He said that the bird began to get listless by the day following dose. He checked it regularly that day and found it dead in the aviary by tea time. A blood test revealled that the bird died of dehydration caused by a rapid onslaught of watery thin mute passing. He could only say that in his opinion the Panacur would more than likely be the cause. Is there not a safer wormer to use other than Panacur?
STU

[GosFlyer]

ive used panacure sheep wormer 21/2 % 1ml per lb body weight on my gosses and had no reaction to it. but a few years ago birch vets gave cheshire hawking club a talk at one of the monthly meets, and they had a lot of trouble with birds having their crop burnt by panacure 10% cattle wormer, they were treating a few peoples birds for it and luckily i dont think any were lost but had to have some intensive treatment to overcome it. my mate does his with pigeon wormer tablets with good results. when i do mine with panacure i suck the brain out of a chick head and replace it with panacure using a short but thick syringe needle.:lol: if the head is skinned even the tiercels will swallow it whole.:lol:

[Barry]

Ivermectin is an alternative but not as broad spectrum. Also brings some risk of skin conditions. Noromectin is another possibility but is usually only used to dose worm types identified from mute samples.
The problem with Panacur is usually dose. People just go and get Panacur from the vet and give it to their bird. Problem is it is either right formula wrong dose or wrong formula right dose. The usual mistake is getting the right strength (10%) but either confusing kg and lb measures for their bird or putting the decimal point in the wrong place on the dose measure. The correct dose is 10% solution given at 0.0143ml per ounce. The common mistake is giving 0.143ml which is ten times too much and considering any wormer is poison it will make your bird very ill.

Barry.

[Barry]

Gosflyer, I have never been able to get 2 1/2% Panacur, but your dose at that strength is about a gnats c..k away from the dose I use at 10% with the same no problem results. I think crop burning (as I have heard of several times before) is usually only an issue when the dose is crop tubed, giving in food the way you or I have described should eliminate that as a problem.

Oh yeah, remember, if you are worming you need to clean the birds aviary/weathering/block/bow etc as any exposure of feet/food etc on old mutes will re-infect your bird with worms. But then you all have spotless conditions so that is no problem:-) .

Barry.

[RabbitHawker]

Panacur is very safe, but you do need to pay attention to the dose rate esp. in moulting birds as if overdosed you can get abnormal feathers coming through. The dose rate and regime depends upon the worm species to be treated, so get a mute sample assessed.

[Renton]

Panacur is very safe, but you do need to pay attention to the dose rate esp. in moulting birds as if overdosed you can get abnormal feathers coming through. The dose rate and regime depends upon the worm species to be treated, so get a mute sample assessed.

Just what my vet said!