Dangerous - AVOID

[OutFlying]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Falconry-Wire-Leash-Do-You-Have-a-Houdini-Hawk_W0QQitemZ7169318986QQcategoryZ90871QQrdZ1QQcm dZViewItem

[GregMik]

YES!!! I agree if you use that leash you will definitly have a Houdini hawk....It will be gone in a heart beat!!

Greg

[Tim Laycock]

Good grief! http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/Accipitrine/Sexe27.gif

[Kentish Falconry]

Some Mothers do have them don't they:twisted: . I see he has 96 of them for sale so I hope the IBR are geared up for another 96 birds to go on the lost register
Some poor sod new to Falconry is bound to see them as a bargain and buy thinking they will be great on his new untrained bird.
They look like short guard chains for Dogs
Terry

[Jester]

and he can make them longer if you want ............... plenty work for vets there then fixing broken legs too :roll:

[Cobra]

and he can make them longer if you want ............... plenty work for vets there then fixing broken legs too :roll:

Ok guys whats percieved the problem with these?
I have used something simlar in the past with a hawk that continually chews through the leash or chews off the button.
no problems with this type of set up as long as there is a swivel on both ends
Chris

[OutFlying]

The 2 dog lead clips at either end should never be used to tether a hawk / falcon whilst unattended - it is an accident waiting to happen.

Jim.

[Dave G]

bloody hell its like trace wire it will also cut through a hawks leg if gets wrapped around it , stear clear

[OutFlying]

Ok guys whats percieved the problem with these?
I have used something simlar in the past with a hawk that continually chews through the leash or chews off the button.
no problems with this type of set up as long as there is a swivel on both ends
Chris

Have you tried using some thin climbing rope as a loop leash - very strong and safe.

[Cobra]

The 2 dog lead clips at either end should never be used to tether a hawk / falcon whilst unattended - it is an accident waiting to happen.

Jim.

I never leave my hawks unattended whist thethered out too many bloody cats around here :lol: :snipe:
Still not sure where the actual danger lies though?
Chris

[OutFlying]

A bating hawk could easily get off a dog clip !!!!!!!!!

[Cobra]

Have you tried using some thin climbing rope as a loop leash - very strong and safe.

Yes but I had a pere x saker that would even bite this in half GIT! :lol:
Chris

[Cobra]

A bating hawk could easily get off a dog clip !!!!!!!!!

I have never used this (wire) on a young hawk so can't really comment on the bating thing, but a trigger hook has got to be impossible for a hawk to undo?
Chris

[OutFlying]

impossible - no, it's very possible.

[Cobra]

impossible - no, it's very possible.

Just speaking from limited experiance, but I have never had it happen to me
Chris

[OutFlying]

Crack on with them Chris, you can only lead a horse to water.

Yours Jim.

[Jester]

i would be concerned about the length with a bating hawk coming to a sudden halt at the end of a long leash and breaking or dislocating legs.

raptors may have very strong legs but only in compression not so strong in tension im led to believe.

as for the clips i have no idea how easy it would be for a bird to get out of them but plenty people (even the anti owl types) i trust enough so that when they say dont use them i believe them

[IAmTheWeasel]

Chris,
Those type of snaps are frowned upon heavily by falconers for several reasons. Any snap type of clip can come unlached if the leash wraps it just right. This goes for all clips, not just this type. The second reason a leash and clip set up like this is bad is it is STEEL! No give to absorb shock whatsoever. Just asking for a broken leg. Plus, if there is no give, the stress is transfered to the swivel which is not designed for a static shock repeatedly like what happens when a bird bates. In the US, if someone tried to perch there bird in the weathering yard with a clip like that, they would be quickly and un-cerimoniously removed from the area.

[OutFlying]

As the thread states - Dangerous, Avoid.

[HoumaFalconer]

Does Anyone Know This Guy And Can Ask Him To Unlist It, This Will Cause Someone To Lose A Bird.

[OutFlying]

I believe their a member on this forum.

[Merger]

I see nothing wrong with this at all,,, if you want to hang a garden bird feeder from a tree, instead of string that keeps roting!!!

[Tim Laycock]

All its good for!..........Well I suppose you could walk a dog on it :rolleyes:

[StormRider]

Cobra, is this not your daughter selling these devices? She does have a business with a similar name I beleive.
STU

[Midland hawker]

as everyone has stated these are and would be very dangerous for a bird i use these for my dogs in the back of the jeeps and the bull greyhound we have has actualy snapped the clip in half which proves there not very well made either also they only cost a pound at are local farmer market but do seem to stop the dogs jumping all round the seats

[Jastreb]

And I think that I saw everything, but thats over my expectation!!!!!!!!!!!
Cheers Viktor