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Minty
16-03-2006, 09:54 PM
Over the last 3 months i have had numerous well wishers for Ratz and many have asked for an account of my first season as it may be an advantage to others.

I started three years ago when i was struck down with illness and began to read books on BOP. Mainly eagles, vultures to start which led into Falcons Hawks etc.
My experience in the field with Shooting was medium and field craft quite good but Falconry ZERO!

So this is for the well wishers beginners and to those who have helped me along the way.

First RATZ.
To Try and keep it to the 1,000 limit post Will be brief.
My intentions where to have a full season in the field with others before purchasing a bird and as a beginner ask yourself these questions.
DO YOU HAVE THE TIME?
DO YOU HAVE THE PATIENCE?
DO YOU HAVE THE SPACE RESOURCES AND FINANCE ?
DO YOU HAVE A STRONG MARRIAGE?

IF THE ANSWER IS NO TO ONE YOU WILL STRUGGLE IF ITS TWO GO OFF AND PLAY TOY SOLDIERS WITH PAINTS!

THAT'S PLAIN AND SIMPLE! THINK ABOUT IT?

If you can say yes then get or find your local rap tor club and go down at their next meet and mingle.
They will not come to you..Why should they?
You go to them and just be honest and ask for advice and is there anyone local to teach. If the answers are polite and helpful start from there if not go somewhere else.
If need be come on here to ask if someone is local but my advice would be THATS IT FOR THIS FORUM UNTIL THE END OF THE FIRST SEASON.
There is too many conflicting views on here and if you take one and drop another then you just get in a muddle . This is a place to discuss not to learn IMO.
I think many on here will agree first port of call is a club , near bye falconer or even a good course and one other BIG thing.
BOOKS BOOKS BOOKS.
As many as you can .
My bookshelf is just hanging by its mounts of books all read and in the case of some 'Nick Fox's Understanding BOP' 3 times!
Now i am after Desert Hawking (one part at a time as my bank balance would not take it).

So, First season.
I went out with mainly 4 or 5 falconers on a regular basis and learned much plus much was re-kindled if you like from younger ferreting days.
I purchased a Young MHH for the wife as my Female was not ready until July.
RATZ as many no broke his leg....However it happened (i am not going through it again) it was my fault.
WHY?
As i was putting Ratz into his box i noticed a car drawing up , in it looked like a friend of mine 'Grant Mitchell' a Dog barking loose in the back and swerving into the space next to me when the whole car park was empty as this was a Private Archery Range but i had been given permission to fly on but not to walk a dog!
Door opens RATZ's baits after the dog jumps on my shoulders .
After having him at home i realized something was wrong and rang a close falconer who we will call 'MO' for namesake.
He came round in his work gear straight away and we thought pulled out joint on the birds leg . He dropped everything his work etc and took me as i think he knew that although he gave me directions it was dark Raining and i had 40 minutes to get there before this qualified avian vet shut.
Beginners take note.
Get a local falconer just to ask him to be on call if he cares for falconry he will agree to be just in case this is a prime example why.
My fears where true it was worse it was Broken!
Nursing RATZ back to health was not easy to do or watch for me and certainly not for him.
Beginners take note.
£1000 it cost in fees, Get insurance it is cheap.Approx £60 a year ...Thats less than a good night out and a ruby.
It covers illness loss and theft public liability + more.

BOP like most predators in the Animal Kingdom are very fragile mainly due to there abilities to hunt and diet.

You will experience the social side of falconry with many views hotly debated at times.

Ratz is now hunting has taken feather but yet to catch a Rabbit but hopefully this Sunday at his first and last field meet of the season he will.
On March 30th he will be put to moult for a deserved rest not from flying so much but just from all the trauma.
He is very well now and is quite fit after having 4-5 days flying each week for the last month and has quickened up .
Watching ratz in his first week was comical balancing on twigs and running up tree trunks, a bit like watching a baby how to walk.
The funniest thing is the look on his face when he first chased a Bunny only for it to go down to what he thought was a hole in the ground. The expression said it all on his face 'Where the F**K did that go':confused:
And continued to look down the hole and i had to stop him going down it.

Now for my Attenborough bit........
I love this sport as although most of the time i enjoy company of other falconers especially 4 or 5 i can mention to be out there with just you and your bird hunting is a real joy. We are privileged to be in the country amongst places that where hear millions of years before us and will be there millions after our ones are dust.
How could you miss such a thing.

To those thinking of taking it up then there are two options in my experience this year.
1...Stick to one Falconer..This is fine if Time and Work and Families match if they don't you will get frustrated so ...PATIENCE' is needed . I am afraid that's my weakness but i am getting there.
2....Get a tight knit of falconers say 3 or 4 and take tips from each like i have done that way you spread the load and keep reading those Books.

One last note.
Telemetry..Get it. If you Do not and you loose your bird you have killed it.
To make a training mistake is acceptable but to scrimp on Money for the sake of your bird is not.
If you can't get Telemetry do not fly free until you can or if not take up origami instead .

I leave you with RATZ who is fit and well . The picture of him on my head was a kind gesture from my wife to place a chic leg on it whilst i was not looking.

Oh yes ...'WEIGHT' and 'DIET'. iF YOU ARE ALLOWED TO WATCH A FALCONER WEIGH HIS BIRD AND LEARN ABOUT CONTROL AND SUPPLEMENTS.If you get that you are half way there.Never Fly it Underweight rather over than under.

And Finaly Be nice to Falconers Wives or Husbands they need to be on your side .
I found this out the first time i met one, a lovely lady but as i was told 'It pays to be on the good sde of her'
In this case its great advice.

This post is not designed to insult or upset anyone .If it has its you with the problem!

Minty

Finally i would like to thank many well wishers but a few personal thanks to some that are on here and some who are not.

Miguel Gomez and Mark Dunn especially for showing me the ropes putting up with my waffling eating their mince pies chirozo and cake.

And Mr Dunn will you please do something with that 'Hound of the Baskerville' as it scares the **** out of me.:prayer:


Goodbye and Good Hunting to All.




Renton
16-03-2006, 10:00 PM
Good post Minty. :D

Minty
16-03-2006, 10:05 PM
If anybody needs advice on how to nurse a Bird with a Broken leg back to health then mail me.
Or anything else that you may need or want to ask from a newbie at the end of his first season.

motardpetrolhead@aol.com

See ya!:supz:

Hawkmaster
16-03-2006, 10:08 PM
Moved to a better place in order help others.

Rep increased:supz:

Kentish Falconry
16-03-2006, 10:13 PM
10 out of 10 for that one Dave and nice to see you back on the Forum, also nice Pic's
Have fun with Ratz
ATB
Terry:supz:

Big JoeJoe
16-03-2006, 10:16 PM
Glad you and Ratz are ok Minty good post mate hope you stick around.

Cheers Joe

Mary Quite Contrary
16-03-2006, 11:43 PM
minty quote
PATIENCE' is needed . I am afraid that's my weakness but i am getting there


Never a truey word spoken.:yawinkle: :yawinkle:

You forgot to thank your wife or should I.:heart:

A good post young man.

Harris110773
16-03-2006, 11:51 PM
hi minty i enjoyed that alot it made for a good read i hope that you deside to stick around i would like to ask i have come across a small problem and that is i have been in contact with severol people such as clubs and experience day companys and so on but none of them seam to know of anyone that would be willing to let me tag along with them so that i can get some experience i dont supose that you know of any other avenews i could go down to find a local falconer that would be willing to help me many thanks

andy:D

Game & Pursuit Falcon UK
17-03-2006, 12:43 AM
Glad to hear your doing good with Ratz Minty. If you decide to resurect youself welcome back but stop posting #### and you will be respected.

IAmTheWeasel
17-03-2006, 02:51 AM
This is what I will now start passing out to people who ask about falconry. I compiled this from several different sources with their permission. Mainly from Marty who has the web site SCFalconry.....


Want to be a falconer? Careful what you wish for! “Falconry", by definition, is the taking of wild quarry in its natural state and habitat by means of a trained raptor. Of all sports in America, falconry is the only one that utilizes a trained wild creature. Falcons, hawks, eagles and owls are essential elements of our wildlife. The competent falconer takes care to follow sound conservation principles in the pursuit of the sport. Even though the federal government’s environmental assessment states falconry has “no impact” on wild raptor populations, a careless, uninformed individual, attempting to satisfy a passing fancy, can do great harm to one or more birds and cast a shadow of discredit on the sport of falconry itself. Most falconers, therefore, before they will agree to help anyone newly attracted to the sport, will require evidence of a serious, committed interest in falconry. They feel that anything less is not worth bothering with.” Quoted from the North American Falconers Association.

Express to any falconer your interest in becoming a falconer and he/she should give you a lengthy spill on why you shouldn’t. Believe it or not, the purpose of this is not to keep new people from entering the sport/art of falconry. It is only to ensure that interested persons really know what they are asking for. If for some reason, after hearing all of this, you still think the pros out weigh the cons….. then you’re just the right sort of person. There are few decisions in a person’s life that can change it so drastically. For example: proposing marriage, deciding to have a child and ranking right up there, FALCONRY.

If you contact the game department in your state, they should have an information packet they will mail to you. This should contain your federal and state regulations plus it will also contains a reading list of books that reference materials the questions on the falconry exam were drawn from. The books are not always available at a local library. Many people do quite a few interlibrary loans to get the ones that are available. The rest can be purchased and they are quite expensive.

In Texas, the TPWD Falconry Permit Coordinator is Jennifer Blecha and her office is in Austin, Texas. To get in touch with her, e-mail her at xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and request a falconry packet. If you do talk to her, remember, be polite, she is our friend in the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department.

I would suggest reading as much of this material as possible and then finding a falconer in your area to speak with. If all goes well, and that falconer can spare the time (a valuable commodity!), you may be able to hunt with him/her, giving you even more experience with the rewards of falconry. The hunting experience is the reward! Everything else is the work. If you are emotionally challenged, have more money and time than you know what to do with, and like to get cut to shreds in briar patches…..then my friend, falconry is for you! The rest of us have to carefully weigh the work vs. the reward.

A HAWK IS NOT A PET!!… It will not snuggle against you for warmth and affection. If it pecks your nose, it’s not an action of endearment…it merely wanted to know what you tasted like. If it follows you like a lost puppy, it is only because it knows you have pieces of cut up meat in your glove…if you run out of food, it will leave you for the nearest squirrel nest. If it latches onto you, it will be with eight very sharp talons and not the slightest hint of need for your existence, much less love. It will not terrorize the city to retrieve you a beer as seen in TV commercials, nor will it deliver you mail like the owls in Harry Potter.

As an apprentice you will be subject to your sponsor. What that sponsor says is law and is only superceded by state or federal regulation. The sponsor is the first to decide if after two years you can advance to the general class. There isn’t a second test…. The only factor in your obtaining his/her approval is the impression you have given them over the past two years. Did your bird hunt well? .... Did you take care of the bird? …. Did you sacrifice what used to be your life to do what was best for the bird? If so, you are then still subject to the decision of the game department of the state and federal offices. If you like this type of control over your life, then falconry is for you!

You will need to build a mews (hawk house) and weathering yard for your bird at a size no smaller than 8’x8’ each. Every falconer you will meet will have an opinion on the design as the federal regulations are loosely constructed. You will spend a good deal of $$$ and try to satisfy your sponsor, the state inspector and yourself. No two of the aforementioned will ever agree that the final plan was appropriate. ….. Most will label it a death trap. Good luck!

You are, of course, responsible for the welfare of the bird. Squirrel bites and other accidents happen. You have a moral responsibility to the bird, and if that isn’t strong enough, this bird is protected by federal regulations. You don’t just tell your veterinarian you can’t afford the needed procedure and to put the bird to sleep. Also, veterinarians with the experience to treat raptors are often not found nearby…nor are they cheap. If you have $$$ to burn, then falconry is for you!

Unless your hunting twice daily, seven days a week, you’re not going to catch enough game to feed your hawk for the entire year. You will soon be enlisting the help of friends and neighbors to pick up road kill squirrels, and ordering 50 pound boxes of frozen rats and quail for the off season.

Do you enjoy outdoor recreation like deer hunting, fishing, bicycling, etc… I can almost guarantee these activities will be on the backburner to falconry. If the weather is good enough for one of these and you have the time…you will be out with the hawk instead.

Do you work forty hours or more a week like most people? In the winter, is it dark when you leave the office? When are you going to hunt this bird? It needs to hunt several times a week and on unsuccessful hunts it may take several hours. Hawks do not see very well at night, so when it gets dark, you’re done for the day.

Your initial contact with a falconer may be some what less than what you had hoped for. Think about this for a moment… This Falconer has people who think they are interested approach him/her quite often. In the past, people have been loaned expensive books and sometimes not returned them… when invited to hunt with them, done things in the field that weren’t appropriate or that spooked the bird. I can almost guarantee that if the falconer you approach is a good falconer, he or she hardly has time to be bothered by another “wannabe” (harsh label, but true). Their time is better spent with the bird in the field. However, if you do your research and get a good understanding of what it is you’re trying to get into, you convey to them your understanding and appreciation for the time you’re taking from them and their bird… I am almost certain they will bend over backwards to help you.

There are thousands of other considerations… The more you research falconry, the more you will find that it is definitely not for everyone. If it is for you can only be answered by you…and only after you have a thorough understanding of the time and monetary commitments. Depending on your desire to proceed with falconry you will reprioritize your life. Quit taking the wife to dinner, leave work two hours early on a regular basis, stay in the field from day light to dawn on weekends, etc… Basically, when your desire to hunt with the hawk overrides all the good sense and responsibility your parents instilled in you…then you are ready to be a falconer. So far as I know, there is no cure or group therapy for this illness. All you can do is continue to hunt and hope it doesn’t wreck your entire life.

GregMik
17-03-2006, 03:35 AM
Basically, when your desire to hunt with the hawk overrides all the good sense and responsibility your parents instilled in you…then you are ready to be a falconer. So far as I know, there is no cure or group therapy for this illness. All you can do is continue to hunt and hope it doesn’t wreck your entire life.

YES!!! I knew I had some sort of Illness!


Greg

Minty
17-03-2006, 05:09 AM
hi minty i enjoyed that alot it made for a good read i hope that you decide to stick around i would like to ask i have come across a small problem and that is i have been in contact with several people such as clubs and experience day company's and so on but none of them seam to know of anyone that would be willing to let me tag along with them so that i can get some experience i dont supose that you know of any other avenews i could go down to find a local falconer that would be willing to help me many thanks

andy:D

Is there Nobody on here that can help Andy.
Andy has PM'd me on many occasions to try and get started in Falconry.

Andy , Try just asking if somebody local would not mind just being on the end of the telephone in case of emergency.
You say you have contacted a club or clubs but with no luck.
Just join one, and remember books!
Get a Ferret . Its surprising how many falconers start to like you when you have ferrets:) .
I think the club would have you but again as i said in my post its up to you to mingle, it may be true they just do not have anyone to teach you because of commitments but PATIENCE ,just join anyway.
Like a Jigsaw it will come together but you have to start at the edges.

Good luck mate:supz:

Minty
17-03-2006, 05:15 AM
10 out of 10 for that one Dave and nice to see you back on the Forum, also nice Pic's
Have fun with Ratz
ATB
Terry:supz:


Terry,

Are you sure there is no Redtail in Ratz blood line.
He has got the eyebrows the lot:lol:

StormRider
17-03-2006, 07:34 AM
Welcome back Minty. Glad to see ratz is doing fine now. Thanks for a very good thread. This is a brilliant tool for a beginners. If its okay with you, I would like to copy and paste this for the benefit of others who I come into contact with when starting.
STU

BlackShaheen1
17-03-2006, 09:09 AM
well done exelent thread .like i say to all so called newbies you well grow with your bird and it looks like you are doing just that.you took some stick on hear from me included .but if you keep this up and drop the i know it all attitude you will be a credit to all people entering this noble art.top marks for you and all the people around you.

Kentish Falconry
17-03-2006, 09:12 AM
Terry,

Are you sure there is no Redtail in Ratz blood line.
He has got the eyebrows the lot:lol:

Theres no Redtail in him Minty but if you carry on with him sitting on your head there will be some Harris in you lol :twisted:
Are you getting into AI then and training a semen donor?:lol:
Keep up the good work Dave and I have increased your reputation points accordingly
ATB
Terry:supz:

Dave G
17-03-2006, 09:38 AM
hi minty good to see ratz is back to full health and out hunting and well posted on the run down of owning and flying a hawk ,as every thing you stated was true along with a very understanding partner required :) as for andy surely theirs someone in wales who will let you tag along with them once the season starts again ??? just pm the welsh lads on here and ask them if poss to have a day out with them surley they would say yes ?? as i would welcome anyone over to spend days out with me as ive already done and show them from the weighing of the bird down to fitting equipment then out hunting ?? so good luck

Minty
17-03-2006, 09:57 AM
Welcome back Minty. Glad to see ratz is doing fine now. Thanks for a very good thread. This is a brilliant tool for a beginners. If its okay with you, I would like to copy and paste this for the benefit of others who I come into contact with when starting.
STU

No problem mate.:D

DeathFromAbove
17-03-2006, 10:09 AM
Good Post Minty. All the best with Ratz mate, hope there are no more problems for you. Also a great post by I.A.T.W. Spot on mate, crackin stuff, this falconry illness is spreading like wild fire hehe.

DeathFromAbove
17-03-2006, 10:13 AM
Is there Nobody on here that can help Andy.
Andy has PM'd me on many occasions to try and get started in Falconry.

Andy , Try just asking if somebody local would not mind just being on the end of the telephone in case of emergency.
You say you have contacted a club or clubs but with no luck.
Just join one, and remember books!
Get a Ferret . Its surprising how many falconers start to like you when you have ferrets:) .
I think the club would have you but again as i said in my post its up to you to mingle, it may be true they just do not have anyone to teach you because of commitments but PATIENCE ,just join anyway.
Like a Jigsaw it will come together but you have to start at the edges.

Good luck mate:supz:

Minty.... have pm'd andy a while ago after his wife pm'd me and asked how close i was and if they could come out. agreed and said it was no problem as long as i had a little notice beforehand and haven't heard anything since............. More than happy to help if i can, altho kaia is now down to moult so there won't be any flying going on till next season now.

Miguel Gomez
24-03-2006, 02:11 PM
Good Post Minty.

Now should you fly him at least another month and get some more kills under his belt(Miguels advice) or put him down to moult on the 30th of March due to an already stressfull season(Marks advice).

As you dont want to let one of us down, LET THE FORUM DECIDE!

Cya
Miguel
Ps. This is exactly the problem of having more than one advice giver....:-)

MickeyDredd
24-03-2006, 03:00 PM
I would personally have put him down to moult after a few weeks light flying after his leg healed.

However in answer to the current question i would moult him sooner rather than later as it is his first moult to try to ensure a complete moult.

ps Good luck Minty, you made the correct decision to disappear from here and take the hands-on advice from experienced falconers - it is the only way for a newbie to learn the basics of the sport.

BFG
24-03-2006, 03:02 PM
nice:lol: good read for people starting:-)

HoumaFalconer
24-03-2006, 03:16 PM
awsome thread, fun to read, thanks

Minty
24-03-2006, 03:31 PM
Good Post Minty.

Now should you fly him at least another month and get some more kills under his belt(Miguels advice) or put him down to moult on the 30th of March due to an already stressfull season(Marks advice).

As you dont want to let one of us down, LET THE FORUM DECIDE!

Cya
Miguel
Ps. This is exactly the problem of having more than one advice giver....:-)


This descision Spico is in my hands . I have both your views on the matter and i can see both your Pro's and con's young man.
But Hey lets have it.
The wisdom of the Forum awaits you mr chirozo but i have a sneaky suspicion that the eyes to the chuffer and against you could be the outcome.

Let me re-cap for those wishing to air there views. Its not why or how we are talking about why he broke his leg but what we do from here gentlemen


RATZ BROKE HIS LEG ON JANUARY 3RD THIS YEAR. 6 WEEKS AGO HE WAS FLYING FREE WITH NO SIGNS OF SORENESS. HE HAS FLOWN WELL AND HAS MANY CHASES KILLING A PIGEON AND A SPARROW.
BUT MUCH TO MY DELIGHT (AND OTHERS ON HERE.....I THANKYOU) HE ENTERED ON A RABBIT ON WEDNESDAY.
MY WIFE HAS NEXT WEEK OFF AND SHE WOULD LIKE TO FLY HIM (I HAVE GOT HIM COMING TO THE FIST AND FOLLOWING ON WITH HER) AND THEN ITS EITHER MOULT OR CARRY ON FOR 1 MORE MONTH TO GET HOPEFULLY MORE KILLS UNDER HIS BELT.
( I HOPE MY SUMMARY IS EQUAL FOR BOTH CORNERS)

Its a good debate i think as a member has just said not just for Ratz but maybe in future cases that might arrise with others.

Dick The Brick
05-06-2006, 08:36 PM
thanks

1st time on forum looking to learn before buying bird

thanks richard

:D :D :D