Stripping

[Finnish]

Does any body no if ppl are still using this method for breeding birds...

[Kentish Falconry]

Does any body no if ppl are still using this method for breeding birds...

Hi Lee.......... Yes this method is still in use on a small scale here in the UK but in Europe it is commonplace and most of the breeders do it daily they also use forced inseminations more than we do here in the UK as well.
I will be dealing with this during the AI course's on the 1st & 15th August
Terry

[Palmer]

Whats stripping?

[StormRider]

Terry, how much are you courses mate?
STU:supz:

[Hawkmaster]

Terry you may need to put a link here for your course or start a new one in your Sponsorship forum?

Back on thread. . .

I believe some folk do it using electric probes too!:twisted:

[Goldie]

Whats stripping?

The art of getting semen from the male (without its full permission)

[Palmer]

Ow ok lol

[Finnish]

Have you ever done this way Terry???? Can you tell us how it's done????

[Kevin Massey]

hope its not like stripping salmon, i have done this many a time

[Harris110773]

can i just say it sounds as though it could be very stressfull for the bird coz it sounds a bit like rape to me can anyone enlighten me on how stripping is done please

[FalconMews]

In the right hands, stripping is as stressful as casting a bird to put a pair of anklets on only quicker. We have one tiercel Peregrine that we strip every day for upto 8 weeks if needed and he generally gives enough semen to inseminate 2 or 3 females daily.

Some of our barbarys once in the swing of things, get that excited they have been known to ejaculate while being wrapped up and prior to stripping starting, thus showing a low stress level.

[Hawkmaster]

Can any male get or be stripped:?:

[Kentish Falconry]

I don't have the time to do a full description of the Stripping methods on the Forum unfortunatley and it would also be stupid of me to try and dangerous to a bird should someone try it without the propper skills.
I have only once stripped a Male in all my life and that was to run a test to see if he was fertile or not. It causes a lot of stress IMHO for the bird and I have known of one or 2 of the top breeders in the UK killing birds by the after effects of stripping.
Peter has been using this method for over 10 years and as he said he finds it is not stressful but I know 1 UK breeder who killed 2 Jerkins in 1 season by doing it.
I wil deal with it on the AI course but I will also make it clear that I do not recommend it's use.
Stu the course will be £50 per head all the places on the 1st April are filled but there are 2 places left for the 15th April if anyone is interested.
Terry

[Kentish Falconry]

Can any male get or be stripped:?:

Yes Paul, any bird that is in condition can be stripped but you have to be sure he is properly in condition and ready to mate or you could cause him dammage.
Terry

[Hells99]

Once saw a prog on TV where a panda was sedated then had a vibrator inserted to stimulate the pituitary gland and cause ejaculation. Is it something on those lines?

[Palmer]

Once saw a prog on TV where a panda was sedated then had a vibrator inserted to stimulate the pituitary gland and cause ejaculation. Is it something on those lines?

what type of programs do you watch??????

[Kentish Falconry]

what type of programs do you watch??????

Bear Porn :lol:

[Palmer]

Bear Porn :lol:

LOL:lol:

[Hells99]

PMSL :lol: ! Just realised how bad that actually looks! It was a breeding program! Think it was on Discovery or something like that.

[Wingless]

Once saw a prog on TV where a panda was sedated then had a vibrator inserted to stimulate the pituitary gland and cause ejaculation. Is it something on those lines?

Pituitary glande? Did they drill a hole into his head and stick a vibrator in? hehe ;)

[Hawkmaster]

OK lets not spiral in to a big black hole and ruin a good thread.:lol:

[Wingless]

sorry :D - out of interest, is it as easy to strip males of small species such as merlins and hobbys or is it more tricky?

Robbie

[Hells99]

LOL! Ok, wrong gland maybe? What is it then?

[Hells99]

OK lets not spiral in to a big black hole and ruin a good thread.:lol:
Sorry, HM :oops:

[Wingless]

Prostate?

[Sprout]

Prostate?Correct

[Hacker]

sorry :D - out of interest, is it as easy to strip males of small species such as merlins and hobbys or is it more tricky?

Robbie
You just need smaller fingers:supz:

[Kevin Massey]

I don't have the time to do a full description of the Stripping methods on the Forum unfortunatley and it would also be stupid of me to try and dangerous to a bird should someone try it without the propper skills.
I have only once stripped a Male in all my life and that was to run a test to see if he was fertile or not. It causes a lot of stress IMHO for the bird and I have known of one or 2 of the top breeders in the UK killing birds by the after effects of stripping.
Peter has been using this method for over 10 years and as he said he finds it is not stressful but I know 1 UK breeder who killed 2 Jerkins in 1 season by doing it.
I wil deal with it on the AI course but I will also make it clear that I do not recommend it's use.


terry why use this way over the usual donor way?

[Sprout]

I assume not all males will give voluntarily???

[Kentish Falconry]

terry why use this way over the usual donor way?

Hi Kevin....... Tht is my point exactley with the correct training 99% of Imprinted males will give semen on the hat. we can get 3 or 4 samples from a Male this way each day with no stress involved and the chances of the sample being contaminated with mutes is almost zero.
Stripped semen can be contaminated with Mutes and urates and if not checked properly can cause peretinitus in the Female you have just inseminated especialy when it is a forced insemination.
I don't like stripped semen and I will not use it I prefer to do things my way but on the other hand each to their own. Peter is successfull with this method and he knows what he is doing so best of luck to him but it's not for me.
Terry

[FalconMews]

I can't put a figure on how many times we have stripped males over the last 20 plus years (certainly in the 1,000's) but we have never had an injury problem.The act of stripping correctly cannot injure a bird, but incorrect handling can.

When we did courses on AI the single most important lesson we could teach people was how to catch and hold a bird correctly, I have seen many very experienced falconers that simply cannot cast and hold a bird.

We have quite a few voluntary semen donors, but there are times when we want to breed a certain male with a certain female, if this male is not a voluntary bird then we strip it. To many projects are restricted to using semen from just a few voluntary males.

[Hawkmaster]

I have done it with quails, surely it is not as easy as that is it?

[Falcon911]

Hi Falcon Mews,

Are the Barbary's you mentioned imprints that won't produce or parent reared ones?

Rgds
Andy

[FalconMews]

Hi Falcon Mews,

Are the Barbary's you mentioned imprints that won't produce or parent reared ones?

Rgds
Andy

Either, it makes no difference.

[Finnish]

Thank you Peter and Terry for your replies..

Lee

[M & J Raptors]

The missus is just starting to strip now.:lol: i can see the cloaca clearly. the semen will be given shortly, and i hope it will not be a forced insemination.:goodman:

[Hacker]

And what sort of hybrid are you hoping to produce eh!

[Hawkmaster]

Mick have you ever tried this with Gosses or Falcons?

[M & J Raptors]

Paul

Tried stripping gosses years ago before we knew how to get gos semen, it does not work well with gosses, we strip some male falcons here if we are in short supply of semen, this year we have plenty of semen from our donors at the moment.

cheers.

[Finnish]

What are the reason's behind this the Bc. Why don't it work well for Goses..:confused:

[Accipitress]

Has anyone on here stripped a goshawk before? I've tried it using a diagram of a falcon but had little success. I have no one here to show me on a gos.

accipitress

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Im no expert on the Gos but I wouldnt expect an accipiter to take kindly to this. The mentality is completely different and I suspect you would knock them out of condition very easily. Are you getting mutes from the bird when stripping?

[Accipitress]

Actually he took it very well. I tried it twice over three days and after each fumbling he was placed back in the mews and started displaying. After giving up on stripping he started copulating on a pillow I made for him and after the girls were done laying he finally gave semen but smeared it everywhere.

I got a small amount of mute once and a small amount of semen once. But when the semen appeared my husband moved and it disappeared never to be seen again. After that I couldn't get any more to appear. I wish there was some one willing to show me or explain it to me in detail. I learn very quickly!!:D

accipitress

[Finnish]

Any more info...??????????????????????:D

[BHawk]

if anyone knows tommy graham it may be an i dea to ask him, i know he has a lot of donor birds but he may have info on stripping. plus if you go to his centre you can see his goshawks, theyre gorgeous!

[Accipitress]

Is Tommy on this forum? Since I'm way over here I won't be able to go to his center.:(

Becky

[BHawk]

dont know, ask "as the falcon her bells" she should know

[Accipitress]

I'm not very good at navigating this site yet. Is there a members list with everyones names? If so, where might that be? Greg are you here?

Becky

[BHawk]

at the top of the page there is a bar and a link saying "members list" click on that search there for her and send her a pm, she should get back in touch soon, or when gregs on ask him to help

[Accipitress]

Thank you BHawk, I see the link.:D

Becky

[M & J Raptors]

If you have to strip a Gos to get semen, then you must be desperate, it does not work, the stress involved just shuts the male down, it works for falcons but this method never worked for gosses,

nobody uses this method of obtaining semen from goshawks. move on and get your males to give semen the nice way.:wink:

best of luck, :roll:

[Accipitress]

I've never liked the idea of stripping but wanted others opinions on it too. (yes I'm a Little desperate) What are some of the ways you all use for collecting? He will not have anything to do with a hat and he gets really wild on the fist. He either doesn't give or he smears it everywhere. I think I'm going to try the fist again and see if he won't settle down. I have two willing females and a donor that can't get his act together.

Becky

[M & J Raptors]

Pm Me

[Reuben]

Are there any U.K breeders currently using the electro- ejaculation method,as opposed to other means, to obtain semen from their hawks?
I think the method was used with some degree of success with psittacines and certain species of longwing.
I think this is the method Hawkmaster was referring to earlier ( see post No5 )
Reuben

[Hacker]

Nick Fox mentions it in his book Understanding Birds of prey.

[M & J Raptors]

Are there any U.K breeders currently using the electro- ejaculation method,as opposed to other means, to obtain semen from their hawks?
I think the method was used with some degree of success with psittacines and certain species of longwing.
I think this is the method Hawkmaster was referring to earlier ( see post No5 )
Reuben

Hi Reuben.

use it regular on a sat night after a heavy drinking session.:yawinkle:

[Reuben]

Hi Reuben.

use it regular on a sat night after a heavy drinking session.:yawinkle:


Hi
Billy C,
NICE ONE !!!:lol: :lol:
Reuben