Breeding Imprinted Falcons

[Dave Johnson]

Hi all.
Is it possible to breed imprinted peregrines in a breeding pen without using AI.What I am saying is, will imprinted peregrines breed naturally without the need to AI them.Dave

[Peregrine1]

Perhaps away of getting imprints to breed naturally is to dual imprint them.
Get a unrelated tiercel and falcon around 10 days old and imprint them together in the same tank and keep them together as they grow and mature.
The only thing is they will not see as youngsters, is an adult peregrine so they would not imprint on a adults plumage. I think me and brad touched on this on a post about falcons being raised by foster parents of a different species and being hard to pair of and even harder to breed from before the thread disapeared:( If I wanted the "tameness" and the way imprints seem at ease with the world in there pens to form a natural pair. I would imprint together has stated but but back with a imprint falcon several times a day to feed.But perhaps the best bet would be to go for parent reared pair, man them well fly them hard for a few seasons then place them in a chamber and cross everything :o I have never done the above process with imprints it is just an idea that might work. Dave recieved you're letter thankyou very much.
Regards
Colin

[Kentish Falconry]

Hi all.
Is it possible to breed imprinted peregrines in a breeding pen without using AI.What I am saying is, will imprinted peregrines breed naturally without the need to AI them.Dave

Hi Dave............ It is not imposible for an Imprint to revert and breed naturally it depends on how exactly she was reared, but in saying that it is highly unlikely to be achieved especially with Peregrines. In Diana Derman Waters book she talks about reverse imprinting where you give the Imprint a chick to rear of the opposite sex you then remove the chick for flying when it is hard penned the chick is then returned to the chamber and with luck the Female will accept him, I have never tried this therory out so I can make no comment on the method but it is there if you want to try it out but it is long term project.
Why do you want to try and breed naturally from an Imprinted Female? it is a much better bet to start with Parent Reared birds if you do not want to do AI.
ATB
Terry

[Kentish Falconry]

Moved to correct section Breeding

[Dave Johnson]

Hi Dave............ It is not imposible for an Imprint to revert and breed naturally it depends on how exactly she was reared, but in saying that it is highly unlikely to be achieved especially with Peregrines. In Diana Derman Waters book she talks about reverse imprinting where you give the Imprint a chick to rear of the opposite sex you then remove the chick for flying when it is hard penned the chick is then returned to the chamber and with luck the Female will accept him, I have never tried this therory out so I can make no comment on the method but it is there if you want to try it out but it is long term project.
Why do you want to try and breed naturally from an Imprinted Female? it is a much better bet to start with Parent Reared birds if you do not want to do AI.
ATB
Terry

Hi Terry
I dont want to breed from a imprinted female.I dont have any birds,it was just a query that was in my mind,and the only way I could get an answer was by putting it out on a thread{sorry you had to move it,i'm still finding my way around the computer}and getting replies from experienced guys like yourself and Colin.The whole imprinting and AI fasinates and confuses me at the same time,and i'm learning bit by bit.Thanks Guys Dave

[Hawkmaster]

Dave have you seen the AI Course Terry is offering? He still has a couple of places I think?

[Dave Johnson]

Thanks for that Hawkmaster,I cant get the time off of work.Dave

[MitchellBrad]

I think me and brad touched on this on a post about falcons being raised by foster parents of a different species and being hard to pair of and even harder to breed from before the thread disapeared:( Regards
Colin

Peregrines can be easy if you lay the foundation properly. Parent hatched and raised, ie peregrine not something else, is the only almost sure fire way of raising them if you truly want natural breeders. I'm sure everyone can come up with an example to the contrary, what I'm saying is your going to dramatically increase your odds if you do it right. If your ever lucky enough to watch peregrines hatch their own chicks the first thing you'll notice is during the event there is an incredible amount of communication between parent and chick before the chick has hatched. If you incubate eggs take one, a day or two before pipping, and place it on a smooth surface. Chup at the egg and watch it wiggle. After the chicks are hatched the communication continues. I pull eyeases at 60 days if I plan on flying one for myself. Prior to that the birds saw me once, at banding. These eyeases are flown for as long as I want. If I want to keep the bird for breeding I'll toss it in with a member of the opposite sex. There is a little more to it, I won't bore anyone with that. Usually there will be fertiles in the first or second clutch.

The up side to this is you really don't have to do anything except feed the adults. The down side is many birds, even those pleasant gamehawks I flew, will attack in the chambers. No big deal, actually, they are only defending their eyeases to a perceived threat.

Frankly I don't know why I write this stuff. So many have made this breeding into something complicated when, in reality, it's pretty simple. Pour quail it, pull eyeases out. If you lose an egg or eyeas on occasion, so what. I know people who can screw up a wet dream so it is to my advantage to breed from only birds I raised and not something someone else has had a hand in. Yes, I get birds from others occasionally. I always hope they told me the truth though on occasion I find out they didn't.

[Peregrine1]

Hello Brad,
Good old common sense prevails :o
Regards
Colin