bull terrier and the harris

[Terrier Girl]

have you ever seen an english bull terrier, jack russell and a harris work. My bull terrier is a dream to watch when she stands and points at prey. Mind you she has to be in the mood. What do you think of that

[Barbary Boy]

have you ever seen an english bull terrier, jack russell and a harris work. My bull terrier is a dream to watch when she stands and points at prey. Mind you she has to be in the mood. What do you think of that
not a lot!

[NGuruve]

i thinks that amazing ive only ever had bullys and i love them so well done

[Kennelre]

Hello Bull Terrier Girl...I think thats awesome, the best my bully will do is catch and try to swallow a squirrel whole. It took two of us to pin her down and drag it out before she choked to death. I've loved, and been owned by bullies for twenty five years now..current one is sired by Charming White Devil(Crufts winner). Shame on you for using the word 'English' in connection with bullies..aint no such thing..there is only one bull and thats THE Bull Terrier.Good on you for getting it to run free with the hawk, what does it do when the bird catches?

[Terrier Girl]

only people who understand the bully can appreciate what i mean

[NGuruve]

got any pics of the bully with the hawk

[Terrier Girl]

life is too short

[MattSpar]

have you ever seen an english bull terrier, jack russell and a harris work. My bull terrier is a dream to watch when she stands and points at prey. Mind you she has to be in the mood. What do you think of that

Very interesting, but I think it's a disaster, just waiting to happen.

[Joey]

wouldnt trust one of those monster with a kid never mind a hawk its a accident waiting to happen.

[Terrier Girl]

why do you think that, have you had this experience

[Joey]

well a friend has been dragged round his living room by his bitch that he had from a pup there fighting dogs its in there blood to do harm

[MattSpar]

why do you think that, have you had this experience

Oh yes, and more than once.

[Terrier Girl]

my bully bitch is very social, she is a calm dog . both parents are champ show dogs and she also has done quite well in the ring. It all depends on how their raised.

[Joey]

true but never say never my friends got a big scar on his right arm and his dog was very calm just telling you if ur bird goes missing well u know were its gone

[NorthenEnglandHawker]

my bully bitch is very social, she is a calm dog . both parents are champ show dogs and she also has done quite well in the ring. It all depends on how their raised.



it hepls how there raised but it doesnt depend on it its in there nature/instincts to kill or chase and it doesnt matter what they get hold of. ive herd of shoot retrevers deciding that il keep this one and eat a rabbit whole whilst still running and these are dogs that are trained by people with lots of knowledge and experence. even the best behaved dogs can snap and with your dog its a time bomb regardless of her raising

sorry to be negative

[Stevie]

Well done Terriergirl! Glad to hear 'real bullie ' people are still around, and better still into falconry.

Understand exactly what you are saying, unless you have owned a bully you cannot understand them. We kept and showed bullies for many years (along with babies) Unfortunately when our last bullie died aged 12, decided to get a springer pup to work with the birds. Although she is great, no comparision to a 'Bull Terrier', they win hands down every time.

People should not be so quick to judge, how many times have we heard people asked "will that 'bird' attack my child" and other silly questions.

If you have got any photos of your bully would like to see them

Best wishes

[MattSpar]

I had a freind whose English Bull terrier was just as you described, quiet, friendly, a bit on the soft side, what the Black Country dog fighters would have called "nesh". Shared the fireside basket with the cat for years, till something in its tiny mind went "click", and the cat was neatly bitten in half.
Another friend (My God, but I do pick them) used two Jack Russells (one bred by Eddie Chapman) with his redtail for years, till the hawk grabbed a rabbit the dog was chasing. The outcome was, shall I say, disagreeable.

[Joey]

some dogs shouldnt be used with a bop


joey

[NorthenEnglandHawker]

bulls were breed to fight and rip other dogs apart not to point grouse like a pointer or crash cover like spaniels horses for courses and all that:

[Big JoeJoe]

I think you will be very lucky in the future if your English bull does not do some harm to your bird. I have owned many Bull breeds in the past and I really like, em had some working cover, bit big and clumsy not that good at following stuff through(limited scenting ability) but some did ok.

They tend to be very over enthuisatic and clumsy and some can turn on anything and anybody for no reason whats so ever. If these dogs kick off it is maximum power and somthing gets hurt or killed there aint any second chances.

Everything may be fine for you but I would definatly be wary and never take my eyes off the dog.

Good luck

BJJ

[MattSpar]

I think you will be very lucky in the future if your English bull does not do some harm to your bird. I have owned many Bull breeds in the past and I really like, em had some working cover, bit big and clumsy not that good at following stuff through(limited scenting ability) but some did ok.

They tend to be very over enthuisatic and clumsy and some can turn on anything and anybody for no reason whats so ever. If these dogs kick off it is maximum power and somthing gets hurt or killed there aint any second chances.

Everything may be fine for you but I would definatly be wary and never take my eyes off the dog.

Good luck

BJJ

I find they're doers, rather than thinkers.

[Big JoeJoe]

I find they're doers, rather than thinkers.

Had plenty of em Matt in my time and I have never had one that could disprove the statement you made above.

Cheers Joe

[Pitbull]

Had plenty of em Matt in my time and I have never had one that could disprove the statement you made above.

Cheers Joe

too true

[Matthew Symons]

too truemine was crackin gun dog

[Bones]

There a time bomb waiting to explode on the poor unsuspecting casualty
PAUL

[Kennelre]

Now this is an issue that is more than a bit close to my heart:heart: .... Bullies were, of course, originally bred to be fighting dogs and attempts have been made to moderate their temperaments now that fighting is no longer their specific purpose. Many of the most 'showy' show ring bullies are difficult to handle because the same qualities that make them show well also make them fairly 'game' elsewhere. The fact of bullies is that you cannot decide you want a dog and get a Bull Terrier because they are not like anything else. Numerous recent threads have queried the responsibilty of BOP breeders to ensure the quality of people they sell to. Have you ever tried to get a bull terrier from a top breeder...signing in blood is not enough! There are few breed that it's more important to ensure proven temperament with, and the need to buy from a line which is stable in temperament cannot be stressed highly enough. After a lifetime with bullies I think I represent them fairly, having experienced both extremes of temperament so, sadly, they way you bring them up is not in itself enough, but the same applies to other breed also. I have had a six stone male Bull Terrier bring up the four kittens that I dropped into his box and I have also had one a few years back that tried to do for me. Bullies are not unique in their propensity to resist training but Ch Romany Righteous Wrath was an obedience star in the 50's..so the possibility exists. If someone were to succeed in getting a BT to work well with a BOP, I would think that was more than a bit impressive, not necessarily impossible...although I would not try it personally. Those of us who are committed to Bull Terriers have a tendency to draw together when the breed is insulted..after all we watched the Pit Bull Terrier become a banned breed and feared it would encompass us also, as it still might. It has been incredibly difficult to watch, over the years, the number of people that have got bullies as 'penis extensions' and the degree to which they have brought the breed into disrepute by the way they have kept them and also by their decision to breed. Bull Terriers are for Bull Terrier people...those that are not prepared to put in the work, discipline and understanding required should perhaps get a dog.

[Pitbull]

i would love one again..:heart:

[MattSpar]

I have no wish to insult anyone on this, or any other subject, but I have been told, via a personal message, that as I have never owned a dog of this breed, my opinions don't count. I'm well aware that my opinions count for little at the best of times, but I shall continue to air them.

[Bones]

Now this is an issue that is more than a bit close to my heart:heart: .... Bullies were, of course, originally bred to be fighting dogs and attempts have been made to moderate their temperaments now that fighting is no longer their specific purpose. Many of the most 'showy' show ring bullies are difficult to handle because the same qualities that make them show well also make them fairly 'game' elsewhere. The fact of bullies is that you cannot decide you want a dog and get a Bull Terrier because they are not like anything else. Numerous recent threads have queried the responsibilty of BOP breeders to ensure the quality of people they sell to. Have you ever tried to get a bull terrier from a top breeder...signing in blood is not enough! There are few breed that it's more important to ensure proven temperament with, and the need to buy from a line which is stable in temperament cannot be stressed highly enough. After a lifetime with bullies I think I represent them fairly, having experienced both extremes of temperament so, sadly, they way you bring them up is not in itself enough, but the same applies to other breed also. I have had a six stone male Bull Terrier bring up the four kittens that I dropped into his box and I have also had one a few years back that tried to do for me. Bullies are not unique in their propensity to resist training but Ch Romany Righteous Wrath was an obedience star in the 50's..so the possibility exists. If someone were to succeed in getting a BT to work well with a BOP, I would think that was more than a bit impressive, not necessarily impossible...although I would not try it personally. Those of us who are committed to Bull Terriers have a tendency to draw together when the breed is insulted..after all we watched the Pit Bull Terrier become a banned breed and feared it would encompass us also, as it still might. It has been incredibly difficult to watch, over the years, the number of people that have got bullies as 'penis extensions' and the degree to which they have brought the breed into disrepute by the way they have kept them and also by their decision to breed. Bull Terriers are for Bull Terrier people...those that are not prepared to put in the work, discipline and understanding required should perhaps get a dog.
very good post and like you say best left to those in the know as i allready stated i think there a time bomb waiting to explode but i think they can do allright in the 'RIGHT' hands
PAUL

[Kennelre]

I have no wish to insult anyone on this, or any other subject, but I have been told, via a personal message, that as I have never owned a dog of this breed, my opinions don't count. I'm well aware that my opinions count for little at the best of times, but I shall continue to air them.

I don't know who sent you that message but I would not consider it to be acceptable...any one who has follwed your contribution to threads will know that you are a very experienced dog man. Why should you not contribute your opinion....we are all free to agree or disagree on this or any other subject.

[MattSpar]

I don't know who sent you that message but I would not consider it to be acceptable...any one who has follwed your contribution to threads will know that you are a very experienced dog man. Why should you not contribute your opinion....we are all free to agree or disagree on this or any other subject.

It's ok. It's been resolved now. Forget it.

[NGuruve]

well i dont know how anyone can say that they are monsters and i wouldnt trust them ive been left as well as my sisters with our bullies since we we babys and so wer many of our friends and we did watever we wanted to the dogs and they showed no aggression watsoever the only aggression they showed was to other animals and i even had one that was fine with any animal and they are im sure fine with the hawks once they are trained and are real man pleasers so well done anyone that has trained theres :supz:

[HarrisHawk.1.]

Well i have to say that terrier girls know what she is talking about cause we do something else that people wont see much of and thats terrier girls dog and our staffordshire bull out playing lovely together every week the sight of them two together is something else

[Blaze]

I had a english bull terrier bitch a few year ago!....same as what everyones said soft as **** was good with my saluki bitch until one day out of the blue i put them both in the car to go for a walk with our lass and snap the bull bitch locked onto the salukis leg in the motor once id got her off i had to shoot down to the vets and the saluki bitch was never able to work agian due to her injurys!....Needless to say my partener at the time was petrified of it!

[Tim Laycock]

I love my boy, my hawk and my dog!
Its always the dog I watch and much as it would pain me to do so Im always ready to spring on him and part his front legs if he decides to get lairy :yawinkle:

[Kennelre]

Well i have to say that terrier girls know what she is talking about cause we do something else that people wont see much of and thats terrier girls dog and our staffordshire bull out playing lovely together every week the sight of them two together is something else

I know this is quite possible because all my dogs are, and have always been, house dogs......so I've had complex mixes of the bull breeds ranging from three bull terriers; two bull terriers and a stafford; two bullterriers and a pitbull all living very happily together without a problem. All I would say to anyone is that you have to really know what you are doing and make sure that you intervene with any thing that even begins to look like a scrap.Also, never ever leave them alone together. That doesn't make for a bad dog though does it?..and you could argue that any collection of the terrier breeds require firm and thoughtful handling. I don't think that those of us who love Bullies should ever try to convince the world at large that they are softies really if you just get to know them, because actually they can be more than unpleasant when they take against something. But they are also not latent psychopaths just waiting for the opportunity to annihilate. Bullies need a constant reminder of their place in the scheme of things and if they receive a consistent message in that regard they will settle nicely and, with skill, can be accommodated in multi dog households. In my experience they will always give you clues that they are going to cause bother and, if you are knowledgable enough to read what they are telling you, the situation can be handled. If you miss the signals it is difficult, and sometimes impossible, to retrieve the ground lost. So why do we keep them? Well, why do you fly a Gos...why do you fly an Eagle....I'm quite happy with my Harris!

[MattSpar]

I know this is quite possible because all my dogs are, and have always been, house dogs......so I've had complex mixes of the bull breeds ranging from three bull terriers; two bull terriers and a stafford; two bullterriers and a pitbull all living very happily together without a problem. All I would say to anyone is that you have to really know what you are doing and make sure that you intervene with any thing that even begins to look like a scrap.Also, never ever leave them alone together. That doesn't make for a bad dog though does it?..and you could argue that any collection of the terrier breeds require firm and thoughtful handling. I don't think that those of us who love Bullies should ever try to convince the world at large that they are softies really if you just get to know them, because actually they can be more than unpleasant when they take against something. But they are also not latent psychopaths just waiting for the opportunity to annihilate. Bullies need a constant reminder of their place in the scheme of things and if they receive a consistent message in that regard they will settle nicely and, with skill, can be accommodated in multi dog households. In my experience they will always give you clues that they are going to cause bother and, if you are knowledgable enough to read what they are telling you, the situation can be handled. If you miss the signals it is difficult, and sometimes impossible, to retrieve the ground lost. So why do we keep them? Well, why do you fly a Gos...why do you fly an Eagle....I'm quite happy with my Harris!

For what it's worth, I think that's the most sensible post on this subject that I've read.

[Palmer]

I love my boy, my hawk and my dog!
Its always the dog I watch and much as it would pain me to do so Im always ready to spring on him and part his front legs if he decides to get lairy :yawinkle:


Your a nice man:lol: !
No i would do the same.:roll:

[Dave G]

i have never heard of any story where a staff has attacked children or other people ??? other breeds yes but not the staff great dogs with great temperment, but dont know how they would world the fields but they are full of energy so why not ??

[MattSpar]

i have never heard of any story where a staff has attacked children or other people ??? other breeds yes but not the staff great dogs with great temperment, but dont know how they would world the fields but they are full of energy so why not ??

To stray form the central subject of the thread for a second, during my youth, I knew an old man who must have been one of the last to keep (and use) what must also have been about the last of the old "fast" fighting strain of Stafford. He was an expert at getting them just right by reducing them till they were decidedly "ribby", then building them back up with the choisest lean meat, no fat, and some concoction made from calve's foot jelly with "extras". He'd give them a lot of road work and also train them using a tyre on a spring, encouraging them to pull and wrestle it, which they would do till their eyes glazed over with ecstacy. At the end of all this, they'd be lean, and incredibly muscular. He'd then pit them against animals belonging to other enthusiasts.
Far from being some kind of ogre with no feelings, he was a kind, gentle man, and his dogs, quite frankly, he worshipped. Quite how he could allow them to be sometimes hideously damaged, may take some understanding. He'd lived through some hard times, and hard times beget hard men, I suppose. He admired displays of great bravery and courage.
Mankind is a stange beast for sure.

In view of the above, I should perhaps add, this man has been dead this past fifty years.

[Terrier Girl]

its been great reading private messages and emails etc regarding this thread, and i have replied to most ( i think), when it comes to our dogs, birds, etc we all are passionate and thats great. Good luck to everyone

[Terrier Girl]

For what it's worth, I think that's the most sensible post on this subject that I've read.
I shall keep this for my friend who adores her staffy (and her boxer)

[NGuruve]

i have never heard of any story where a staff has attacked children or other people ??? other breeds yes but not the staff great dogs with great temperment, but dont know how they would world the fields but they are full of energy so why not ??
my auntie has a staffy and he is only 7 months old and is as usual full of energy they want me to try and train him to go out with meand the hawk im still undecided and we will see how he reacts to the hawk

[AngelJakki]

i have never heard of any story where a staff has attacked children or other people ??? other breeds yes but not the staff great dogs with great temperment, but dont know how they would world the fields but they are full of energy so why not ??
There was a case I know of that made the front of the papers where the staffie had taken the boys nose and ear and scared the lads face but then I believe that ANY dog shouldn't be left with small children unsupervised all our dogs if not asleep would follow me round the house and I wouldn't have it any other way. We've had lots of different dogs rotties (by the way BB yours is a cracker) shepards, bullies, spaniels, boxers and cavi's

[MattSpar]

I think the fact of the matter is that some devotees of any particular breed extol its good points, but have a blind spot regarding any bad points, and, let's face it, all breeds have bad points. Border collies can suffer from Collie Eye Anomily and an overdeveloped herding instinct, Greyhounds can never be fully trusted with small furry animals, some strains of German Shepherd still suffer from hip displacia, and Bull Terriers always have the inborn potential to turn on another dog (or the family cat, or a hawk).

[Paul1966]

There was a case I know of that made the front of the papers where the staffie had taken the boys nose and ear and scared the lads face but then I believe that ANY dog shouldn't be left with small children unsupervised all our dogs if not asleep would follow me round the house and I wouldn't have it any other way. We've had lots of different dogs rotties (by the way BB yours is a cracker) shepards, bullies, spaniels, boxers and cavi's

Also remember the french woman who had a face transplant after being bitten by her labrador. we have a lab and certainly would never leave her unsupervised with kids, and she is as soft as anything, typical lab.

[Matthew Symons]

Also remember the french woman who had a face transplant after being bitten by her labrador. we have a lab and certainly would never leave her unsupervised with kids, and she is as soft as anything, typical lab.
I think what youve got to remember is that all animals can never be trusted 100 percent. My rotty is a big un and hes as soft as sh*T but youve always got to remember with all animals is that they all have there own personalities just as we humans do.
And lets face it I could be the most pleasent person any of you know, you may feel you trust me 100 percent, But hey in your own mind you know you wouldnt fully trust someone 100 percent would you ?
All im saying is that this is the approach you have to take with all animals. Give them the respect they deserve, and you wont get any problems

[Terrier Girl]

my auntie has a staffy and he is only 7 months old and is as usual full of energy they want me to try and train him to go out with meand the hawk im still undecided and we will see how he reacts to the hawk
My bully was introduced to our 6year hh when she was 3 months old, straight away the hh put her in her place but of course, because as pups their hyper just watch the dog doesn't get caught by the talons, our dog had regular contact with the bird, GOOODLUCK