re pannacur

[Midland hawker]

hi everyone i no ive spoke about pannacur before asking the correct measure to give to the birds and i no it is given by seringe but for moulting bop that are flying free can it be innjected in to the food ur feeding ie day old chick,s and wether its ok 2 worm birds that are paired up and ready 2 lay any info would be appreciated thanks :roll:

[Saker-Clive]

I only ever inject it into the food stuff; no stress on the birds this way.

Can't answer the last part but shouldn't see any probs.

[Midland hawker]

thanks for the reply saker-sucker

[BushHawk]

hi m8,i would speak to sprout or kentish about that just to be safe,if the female is ready to lay it may be damaging something,just a thought.good luck anyway.

[Yarak1]

hi everyone i no ive spoke about pannacur before asking the correct measure to give to the birds and i no it is given by seringe but for moulting bop that are flying free can it be innjected in to the food ur feeding ie day old chick,s and wether its ok 2 worm birds that are paired up and ready 2 lay any info would be appreciated thanks :roll:

I have a great avian vet who advises don't worm unless a bird has worms...........in other words don't fix what isn't broken!!

[Midland hawker]

thanks bushhawk they dont normally breed till later on anyway but i will leave it till i find more info or just worm them after they,ve had there young :supz:

[Gaz]

[I have a great avian vet who advises don't worm unless a bird has worms] QUOTE:

This is the advise you need to take,mute samples,then treat if needed...panacur is not a cure all for ALL parasites you need to guard against..only treats a specific type of worms...pm sprout,helltell ya...hes a vet.....:supz:

[OutFlying]

I have a great avian vet who advises don't worm unless a bird has worms...........in other words don't fix what isn't broken!!

Well said, but it will fall on deaf ears.

[OutFlying]

[I have a great avian vet who advises don't worm unless a bird has worms] QUOTE:

This is the advise you need to take,mute samples,then treat if needed...panacur is not a cure all for ALL parasites you need to guard against..only treats a specific type of worms...pm sprout,helltell ya...hes a vet.....:supz:

Spot on Gaz.

[Midland hawker]

hi thanks for all the replys every one its just that i feed a mainly fresh diet and heard if fresh more prone 2 worms because frozen stuff the worms and eggs would die feel free 2 tell me different as im new on the worming side of it and just want the best for my birds :rolleyes:

[OutFlying]

How do wild hawks survive without being wormed 2, 3 or more times a year ?

Just send a mute sample off to the vets - if in doubt. Is the hawk healthy looking, are it's mute normal in apearance, is it appetite good ?

Jim.

[Midland hawker]

yes everything is fine with the birds i was just thinking prevention is better then cure thats what they say about dogs any way not sure its the same in birds it was only a question as well why say it will fall on deaf ears i hope that wasnt directed at me as u dont even no me

[Bod]

If it aint broken no need to fix it.

If you send the mute samples off to say Neil Forbes he will phone you the next day with a reply.
If there are worms present he will be able to tell you the correct product to kill the particular worm.
Sprout did my bird for me free of charge so I am not sure what the actual charge is. I don't think it will break the bank though.

[Midland hawker]

thanks bod im not saying they have them anyway i just like to no there looked after and care,d 4 as best i can .i believe if u look after ur birds and animals they will perform 2 there best abbility

[OutFlying]

yes everything is fine with the birds i was just thinking prevention is better then cure thats what they say about dogs any way not sure its the same in birds it was only a question as well why say it will fall on deaf ears i hope that wasnt directed at me as u dont even no me

No it wasn't directed at you, but this thread has been generated dozens of times before and then keeps appearing again.

If you want the best for your hawk - why pump it full of chemicals it may not need ?

[Midland hawker]

fare point outflying as i said im new 2 the side of worming them as i put in the thread before we all have 2 start some where or ask question,s thats what this forum is all about asking advice and i also said i had asked about pannacur before as i wanted 2 get the proper knowledge before trying it as the vets had done mine in the past my birds look in great shape and i have no intentions of worming them at the moment when i get them out 2 fly after there moult i may take the neccasery actions then ie mute samples and stuff thanks everyone anyway with all the comments on this as advice is greatly appreciated :supz:

[OutFlying]

The testing of mutes is needed to determined the correct wormer IF needed, just dosing the hawk on the off chance it might have worms and that is the right wormer doesn't make much sense to me.

If you look through the archives, you'll find most of the questions have been asked and answered before - they may be of help to yourself.

Jim.

[Midland hawker]

thanks outflying ive been looking in the archive but its never said anything about injecting there food with it thats why i started the thread im going 2 take everyone advice and wait till the end of moult and then take the mute samples thanks midland hawker :yawinkle:

[Sprout]

Good advice everyone. Yes, DO NOT WORM UNLESS YOU NEED. Also panacur is immunosuppressive at the usual doses for birds creating more problems, there are other alternatives!
SCENARIO - you worm your bird without testing and 5 days later it starts gasping for breath. Is it asper? is it some other respiratory problem or is it the dead worms causing an inflammatory reaction. Faecal sample is negative because the bird is wormed - were they there in the first place? So, do we do lots of tests looking for asper, spending hundreds and putting the bird through invasive, risky tests or give it a shot of anti-inflammatory for the dead worms?? Without testing prior there is no way to know if it is worms or not so always test first - it is cheaper in the long run and safer for the birds.

[Sprout]

Test twice yearly - when the bird comes out from the moult and at the end of the season

[Midland hawker]

thanks sprout i pm ,d u but u must have never got it thanks anyway