when does the season end??

[Jackson]

ok now i thought i had an idea of when the season ended and what it meant!! however recent threads have made me have a rethink!!

when does the season end?
for hh i mean we hunt in the winter and i always thought that we stopped at the start of spring because of the babies or the law! now someone mentioned it was still ok to hunt rabbits but how do you stop your hh going after the babie pheasies and the like and just restrain it to rabbits?

i know this is in some of the books but id rather see what peoples oppinions are on this?

also other questions that maybe required to answer for this thread:
what is a season?
when does the season start
when does it end
do seasons differ for different species of bops?

[Tim Laycock]

My season ends effectivly on the day the Pheasant season does :(

Some have no scruples though :lol:

[Jackson]

My season ends effectivly on the day the Pheasant season does :(

which is .....

[Finnish]

Ist of Feb partridge and Pheasent season ends..

[Saker-Clive]

http://www.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-countryside/vertebrates/gamebird.htm

All you will need to know........:supz: :goodman:

[Jackson]

cheers ss!!
so you can take the hh or bop out anytime to catch rabbits??

if so then how do you stop it ctahcing game that is out of season?

[Saker-Clive]

Simple...............don't fly where there is game. Most people I would have thought have more than 1 permission. On my 6, 3 have game on and around.
If I was to carry on flying my hunting bird, I would go to the 3 places that only have rabbits etc.

[Finnish]

Basicly you can't it's like putting a bag of sweets in a young childs hands and saying dont eat them..:D

[Pitbull]

but is falconry not classed as an exempt hunting, which unless you own the land or are given permission by the land owner it is ok

[James_Falconry1]

but is falconry not classed as an exempt hunting, which unless you own the land or are given permission by the land owner it is ok


The seasons where originally created for falconers as the monks of the time hundreds of years ago where having their crops wrecked by falconers trampling all over them. So the king or whoever was incharge then created a season for hunting game. Thats where it comes from and Falconry is not exempt.

Pest species are not game so have no season.Deer also have a season. And when hare could be coursed they had a season too. but not for shooting or falconry.

Hope this helps
Jimmy

[Falconry Equipment International]

The seasons where originally created for falconers as the monks of the time hundreds of years ago where having their crops wrecked by falconers trampling all over them. So the king or whoever was incharge then created a season for hunting game. Thats where it comes from and Falconry is not exempt.

Pest species are not game so have no season.Deer also have a season. And when hare could be coursed they had a season too. but not for shooting or falconry.

Hope this helps
Jimmy
Jim would that be monks at Abingdon priory by any chance?:lol:

[James_Falconry1]

Jim would that be monks at Abingdon priory by any chance?:lol:

there the ones.

Jimmy

[Tim Laycock]

The seasons where originally created for falconers as the monks of the time hundreds of years ago where having their crops wrecked by falconers trampling all over them. So the king or whoever was incharge then created a season for hunting game. Thats where it comes from and Falconry is not exempt.


Correct James :supz:
Not a lot of people know that ;)




Amazon, the thing I cant get my head around about flying out of season is gutting rabbits that are pregnant :(

I dislike this even more than catching rabbits :wink:

[James_Falconry1]

Correct James :supz:
Not a lot of people know that ;)




Amazon, the thing I cant get my head around about flying out of season is gutting rabbits that are pregnant :(

I dislike this even more than catching rabbits :wink:

SJ taught me all i know and not just flying and hunting with a bird but what Falocnry is and what it means in history as well.

Learning things like that maybe just information with no purpose but it is like the correct terms for birds which do have a purpose they make for me my sport feel complete and it has such a long history we should all know where our sport comes from just like we should all be able to make a decent set of equipment, i certainly dont think every person with a hawk can say they can make equipment for their birds.

There is mre than just hunting in Falconry i always think. That is why i enjoy it so much.

jimmy

[Tim Laycock]

James,
Embracing the bigger picture of the whole shebang is what sets some falconers aside from the average "Ned Hunter"

I endeavour to style myself as a mixture of Austringer, Historian and Conservationst in no particular order of priority.

Just an even blend for a fuller flavour :supz: :supz: :supz:

[Pitbull]

I thought under the hunting act 2004 the made falconry an exempt hunting aslong as i said before it was on land owned by yourself or with permission of the land owner enabling falconers to carry on the use of being able to hunt stalk or flush quarry with dogs. Falconry can be classed as exempt as the act of hunting was to catch for the food for the falcon or for personal consumption hence where the loopholes for foxhunting came about. Falconry being seperate to that of shooting as Andrew knowles brown said "falconry and shooting" dont mix. If you were to hunt with dogs you were to shoot the quarry, but with falconry the falconer was the dispatcher not the gun.
A bit like the duty free fags and booze. if its for yourself you are exempt from duty. :rolleyes: :confused:

[James_Falconry1]

I thought under the hunting act 2004 the made falconry an exempt hunting aslong as i said before it was on land owned by yourself or with permission of the land owner enabling falconers to carry on the use of being able to hunt stalk or flush quarry with dogs. Falconry can be classed as exempt as the act of hunting was to catch for the food for the falcon or for personal consumption hence where the loopholes for foxhunting came about. Falconry being seperate to that of shooting as Andrew knowles brown said "falconry and shooting" dont mix. If you were to hunt with dogs you were to shoot the quarry, but with falconry the falconer was the dispatcher not the gun.
A bit like the duty free fags and booze. if its for yourself you are exempt from duty. :rolleyes: :confused:


But keep hunting phessies and **** the keeper next door off and have every anti and joe blogs asking why ur killin young birds. Even if there are loopholes doesnt mean they should be used. Falconry must be listed as it is a hunting sport. It is hunting after all.

How can the loophole for fox hunting be the same as the loophole for catching food for own consumption.

Jimmy

[Pitbull]

because we can hunt under exempt hunting using dogs. Fox hunting was not banned but hunting with dogs was. Falconry was made an exempt hunt to enable us to use dogs to hunt. Put a falconer in front of a hunt and its an exempt hunt as your using the dogs to flush for the falconer and nopt for the dogs too rip apart.

[Pitbull]

who is ****ing the keeper of next door when you have the permission to get rid.

[James_Falconry1]

because we can hunt under exempt hunting using dogs. Fox hunting was not banned but hunting with dogs was. Falconry was made an exempt hunt to enable us to use dogs to hunt. Put a falconer in front of a hunt and its an exempt hunt as your using the dogs to flush for the falconer and nopt for the dogs too rip apart.

Fox hunters are banned from using a pack of dogs. More thn 2 is a pack.

Anyway the law states hunting with dogs we shouldnt be hunting with dogs flushin is different to hunting.

Put a falconer in front of a hunt and its an exempt hunt as your using the dogs to flush for the falconer and nopt for the dogs too rip apart.

So not hunting with dogs just flushing for a hawk/..

jimmy

[James_Falconry1]

who is ****ing the keeper of next door when you have the permission to get rid.


What bout if u hawk on keeperd land or the farmed likes shooting phesant shooting good way to loose it is hunting them when he cant and when they're breeding next years sport.

[EddieT]

Amazon, the thing I cant get my head around about flying out of season is gutting rabbits that are pregnant :(

I dislike this even more than catching rabbits :wink:

Or worse still is gutting a rabbit and finding that she is a lactating doe with a full litter underground that will now die of starvation because of you.

Also, a falconry bird flown hard over the season will require a good moult the previous spring/summer to ensure fret free, strong feathers to stand the best chance of keeping good feather condition throughout the season. This requires the hawk to be rested significantly above flying/hunting weight with a minimum of stress. I know some HH owners claim that they can fly through the moult and keep good feather and maybe they can add their experience regarding quality of the moult to this thread.

So the answer to the initial question is:

Come spring, game species are out of season.
Rabbits start breeding big time.
The hawk needs to moult.
Crops and other cover start to grow and make catching game difficult.

So, most people stop flying in Febuary or March.

[Jackson]

So the answer to the initial question is:

Come spring, game species are out of season.
Rabbits start breeding big time.
The hawk needs to moult.
Crops and other cover start to grow and make catching game difficult.

So, most people stop flying in Febuary or March.


that sums it up nicely!!

cheers everyone - youve cleared that up for me fab!!

[Mikey]

And it's good to respect the animals n birds we hunt,if we all went out and hammered it there would be nothing left.Respect all round....the hunter, the hunted...and the people watching us!!??

[Pitbull]

And it's good to respect the animals n birds we hunt,if we all went out and hammered it there would be nothing left.Respect all round....the hunter, the hunted...and the people watching us!!??

fair enough if its a wild quarry. But if quarry is being bred specifically for hunting then hunt them i think. Rabbits you can hunt all year round. We cant catch them to breed too make sure theirs some for "next season" but we hunt them all year. Quarry like Pheasants are bred by the millions every year with areas that have loads left over so why not. its not as though the average person goes out and catch 6 phesants and the odd rabbit. its the other way around. But i would also say that i dont expect to do this for free. If going onto land with phesant i say to the land owner that he can have it as its his bird, if he lets me have good and well.

[SSL]

Correct James :supz:
Not a lot of people know that ;)


What about Sundays and Christmas Day then??

Steve.

[Skeld]

As far as rabbits go in the great scheme of things falconry is responsible for a very small percentage of rabbits killed in a year, when compared to say road kills, or shooting. The other thing to remember is in some places rabbits are a problem, if landowners want them controled and if you are not prepared to do it there are lots of people who will! In these circumstances you can not treat rabbits as you would game. As for flying through the molt I have tried not flying and flying and have never found that it makes any difference to feather condition, other than the birds don't get bored sitting about for months.

[AngelJakki]

What about Sundays and Christmas Day then??

Steve.

As you can see from the quote here from defra it is only your end.

"It is also an offence to take or kill game on Sundays and Christmas Day (in England and Wales)."
Haven't been able to find anything about Scotland yet.

[DorsetAde]

With regard to the open and closed season, doesn't the keeper have to abide by the season dates, even if he or his/her employer own the land ?

Even if you had permission, wouldn't hunting still be out of season ?

I agree on bunnies though, no matter how many we seem to catch locally either by ferret or hawk, the burries just seem to keep growing !!!

Ade

[Storm]

The ethics of hunting pregnant does or babies aside, it's also much easier to lose a bird once the cover grows and she kills out of sight. I've found my Harris will fly to the lure quite happily on the training field at 2 oz. above her normal flying weight so I'm moulting her at that weight and keeping some fitness and interaction going through the summer. I did this last summer and it seemed to work well. She was ready to hunt very quickly afterwards.

[Dude]

ok now i thought i had an idea of when the season ended and what it meant!! however recent threads have made me have a rethink!!

when does the season end?
for hh i mean we hunt in the winter and i always thought that we stopped at the start of spring because of the babies or the law! now someone mentioned it was still ok to hunt rabbits but how do you stop your hh going after the babie pheasies and the like and just restrain it to rabbits?

i know this is in some of the books but id rather see what peoples oppinions are on this?

also other questions that maybe required to answer for this thread:
what is a season?
when does the season start
when does it end
do seasons differ for different species of bops?

the season never ends if u a kinda falconer as I am I am a fanatist and cant sleep at night if I dont fly sumthing in daytime:rolleyes: :supz:

[Yarak1]

Correct James :supz:
Not a lot of people know that ;)




Amazon, the thing I cant get my head around about flying out of season is gutting rabbits that are pregnant :(

I dislike this even more than catching rabbits :wink:

You shouldn't hunt rabbit when they are breeding out of respect for the quarry....not only that you will be depriving the land of next years quarry..........