what scales do you use?

[Matthew Symons]

Hi im just starting to buy some equipment for a harris hawk. What scales do you good peaple use or recommend?
Im concerned the digital scales read out will vary to much as the bird is never going to stand totally still !
Im sure the old fashioned block weights that you add to the scales are more accurate:rolleyes:
Let me know your thoughts please
cheers !

[Fires59]

i have got a pair of digaital scales but also have a weight so that i can check the scales once a week for any problems

[HawkMan]

Ive got electronic scales m8 .
They,ve always worked for me .
I had to modify them by bulding a perch on them .
Im sure they cost about £25
Cheers
Jb

[Matthew Symons]

Ive got electronic scales m8 .
They,ve always worked for me .
I had to modify them by bulding a perch on them .
Im sure they cost about £25
Cheers
Jb
i was looking on ebay for some and theres a set of digital scales there (for falconry) and to me they just look like normal kitchen scales with a perch on top!

[Matthew Symons]

i have got a pair of digaital scales but also have a weight so that i can check the scales once a week for any problems
makes sense m8 cheers

[Renton]

A very heavy and damned expensive set of balance scales from Ben Long. They do have the advantage of being EEO proof!

[Matthew Symons]

A very heavy and damned expensive set of balance scales from Ben Long. They do have the advantage of being EEO proof!
does he have a web address m8

[Puzo]

The best way to cope with a bird thatwont stop moving around is when the bird is on the scales press the on/tarre button setting the readout to zero. When you take the bird off the scale read the minus weight.

[Renton]

does he have a web address m8

There you go: http://www.benlongfalconry.com/

[Matthew Symons]

The best way to cope with a bird thatwont stop moving around is when the bird is on the scales press the on/tarre button setting the readout to zero. When you take the bird off the scale read the minus weight.
smart bloke thanks alot m8

[Matthew Symons]

There you go: http://www.benlongfalconry.com/
thanks alot appreciate the help

[Renton]

You're welcome.

[Johnny Abbott]

always have and always will use counter balance

[HawkSwoop]

Hi Mat

I use the old scale you used to get in a sweet shop, these are nice and heavy so the bird never tips them over like some of the digital ones you can get. I will take a picture and post later to show you the kind i mean, i think the most important thing is to always use the same scales and every couple of weeks check them with the same thing.

[MattSpar]

I use a vast dial type scale I managed to get from a fish shop that closed down years ago. It's fine, but it took me some time to get used to the idea that my gos flew at 17s 6d per pound.

[Jimmy]

I use digital postal scales with a perch mounted on them. I've never had a problem with them and I've never had a problem with the bird sitting still long enough to read their weight. They are small, light weight, and inexpensive, about $25 US.

Jimmy

[Talon]

always have and always will use counter balance


me too....dont think you can beat them. i dont like the electronicl ones.plus i think there too light. if a young birds a bit nervers on them and bates.the scales go flying on to the floor.

[Matthew Symons]

Hi Mat

I use the old scale you used to get in a sweet shop, these are nice and heavy so the bird never tips them over like some of the digital ones you can get. I will take a picture and post later to show you the kind i mean, i think the most important thing is to always use the same scales and every couple of weeks check them with the same thing.
I honestly thought the older ones would be better myself, thanks for the comments

[Matthew Symons]

I use a vast dial type scale I managed to get from a fish shop that closed down years ago. It's fine, but it took me some time to get used to the idea that my gos flew at 17s 6d per pound.
lol fair play m8 if it works for you you gotta do it no matter how much brain stretchin it gives you !

[Jeremiah Johnson]

Don't go wasting your money on pre made ones mate.. Half the fun is making your own gear... balance sacle are best the only ones to consider are avery ...old avery at that... scour the second hand shops car boots and ebay simple to convert.......... unscrew the brackets that hold the bowl hammer it straight hacksaw off excess bits u dont need... drill two holes... drop two lengths of threaded bar in each hole with some nuts to hold in place and a wooden perch on top (if you get a 28lb model you can use steel as the perch to help rebalcne..) rebalance with stick on weights from your local car tyre fitter.. cost ya about 20 squids all inif you must have digital .. simply make a t perch out of a piece of broom stayscrew it to the inside of a coffee jar lid and epoxy it to the scales... get a known weight to check each day or soI really believe that everyone should be able to make there own kitregards Jez..

[Matthew Symons]

Don't go wasting your money on pre made ones mate.. Half the fun is making your own gear... balance sacle are best the only ones to consider are avery ...old avery at that... scour the second hand shops car boots and ebay simple to convert.......... unscrew the brackets that hold the bowl hammer it straight hacksaw off excess bits u dont need... drill two holes... drop two lengths of threaded bar in each hole with some nuts to hold in place and a wooden perch on top (if you get a 28lb model you can use steel as the perch to help rebalcne..) rebalance with stick on weights from your local car tyre fitter.. cost ya about 20 squids all inif you must have digital .. simply make a t perch out of a piece of broom stayscrew it to the inside of a coffee jar lid and epoxy it to the scales... get a known weight to check each day or soI really believe that everyone should be able to make there own kitregards Jez..
that sounds a really good idea ! Im off out now Going to the bristol falconry meet. But if you could post a pic sometime that would be really helpfu! :yawinkle:

[Kennelre]

Don't go wasting your money on pre made ones mate.. Half the fun is making your own gear... balance sacle are best the only ones to consider are avery ...old avery at that... scour the second hand shops car boots and ebay simple to convert.......... unscrew the brackets that hold the bowl hammer it straight hacksaw off excess bits u dont need... drill two holes... drop two lengths of threaded bar in each hole with some nuts to hold in place and a wooden perch on top (if you get a 28lb model you can use steel as the perch to help rebalcne..) rebalance with stick on weights from your local car tyre fitter.. cost ya about 20 squids all inif you must have digital .. simply make a t perch out of a piece of broom stayscrew it to the inside of a coffee jar lid and epoxy it to the scales... get a known weight to check each day or soI really believe that everyone should be able to make there own kitregards Jez..

I also use the, adapted, old Avery scales...from a fruit and veg. shop I think. You can find stuff like that at auctions all the time and really should not expect to pay much at all....

[StormRider]

I cannot understand anyone who go's out and buys scales from Ben Long and the likes. All they do is what every one else does and modifies existing scales that you can buy from places like ASDA. I personally have used Aviary Balance scales and to be honest thought they were ****. I am now using a set of digital postal scales that measure the exact average in grammes for when a bird may move. I always check the scales each week against a known weight and have never had to make any adjustments. There is no way that a balance scale type can measure more accurately than a digital type because the weight increments on a balance type are much greater.
Ive been through this before on another thread and am amazed as to the amount that still use balance scales considering the cost of digital and their greater accuracy.
STU

[FoxHunter]

Each to his own, but for what it's worth I agree with both Jeremiah Johnson and Storm Rider. Adapt a digital kitchen scales as described.The "insides" of a scales sourced from Asda/Argos or similar will be identical to, or better than, that which equipment dealers sell at inflated prices.

[Nemesis]

I have a set of counter balance scales that I converted only cost me £15 and a little time you might even get a set on e bay for less quite easy to convert hope this help,s/dave

[Harris]

Argos do a digital scale (841/8508 ) for £5.99, is simple to build a perch to fit it, I can knock these up for less than a tenner.

And NO I am not offering them for sale, as I am not a sponsor :wink:

[Jimmy]

A cheap and easy way to make a perch for scales is to use a paint roller on a piece of PVC pipe. Epoxy it to the scales. I tried to attach a picture for those who don't know what I'm talking about, but couldn't figure out how to resize it.

Jimmy

[GregMik]

Jimmy,
This may help with the pics.

http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=8342



Greg

[Jimmy]

Thanks, Greg.
But, I don't have XP. I'm still using '98. I'll upgrade one day.......

Jimmy

[Sean]

I use digital scales i got from about 15 quid or so, then got a tin, wrapped it up in carpet and stuck it to the scales, alot cheaper than if you pay an extra 50 quid for a falconry shop to do it for you.

[Dave G]

as most i use salter digital scales and made a t perch on a base works a treat,and cost half of what the falconery out lets want :supz:

[Matthew Symons]

Thanks for all your replies peaple

[Ninja-Jon]

well here on my scales dude sister brought them for me for xmas box

[Matthew Symons]

well here on my scales dude sister brought them for me for xmas box
Ive seen something similar to that on ebay

[Dave G]

:supz: jon

[Tilly]

just reading through this....
normal kitchen scales are infamously inaccurate.....
would be better to get balance scales or buy falconry ones from a respectable dealer....

xxxxxxx

Tilly

[Harris]

just reading through this....
normal kitchen scales are infamously inaccurate.....
would be better to get balance scales or buy falconry ones from a respectable dealer....

xxxxxxx

Tilly

I disagree, If you get an oz weight or other known weight, you can check and rezero the scales before weighing the bird, and it does save you a lot of money, after all most of the "Falconry Scales" are only modified kitchen scales, they basically all have the same electronics in them :P

[Dave G]

just reading through this....
normal kitchen scales are infamously inaccurate.....
would be better to get balance scales or buy falconry ones from a respectable dealer....

xxxxxxx

Tilly
my scales are very accurate and ive never had a prob ?? ninja jon brought his scales over to mine the ones in the pic about ? and even though it showed oz and the front it would not read out in oz only gramms which we sorted out as 25 gramms is 1/4 oz but not as straight forward if you only used to oz , and mine go down to 1/8 of an oz :supz:

[GregMik]

just reading through this....
normal kitchen scales are infamously inaccurate.....
would be better to get balance scales or buy falconry ones from a respectable dealer....

xxxxxxx

Tilly

Tilly,
It doesn't matter if they are accurate or not. They just have to be consistant. You could have one that is 6oz's off, and as long as it is always 6oz's off....it won't matter. The thing you have to do is have something that wieghs close to what your bird does and check your scale with that to make sure it is not varying at all.

Greg

[Harris]

my scales are very accurate and ive never had a prob ?? ninja jon brought his scales over to mine the ones in the pic about ? and even though it showed oz and the front it would not read out in oz only gramms which we sorted out as 25 gramms is 1/4 oz but not as straight forward if you only used to oz , and mine go down to 1/8 of an oz :supz:


I think you will find m8 that 25 Grammes is nearly an oz!! 7gms to 1/4 of an ounce 14gms to 1/2oz and 28gms to 1oz ;)

[Ninja-Jon]

Ive seen something similar to that on ebay


my sis brought from Falconi Formes uk M8... But yes i have also seen on Ebay..

[GregMik]

I think you will find m8 that 25 Grammes is nearly an oz!! 7gms to 1/4 of an ounce 14gms to 1/2oz and 28gms to 1oz ;)

28.35g per oz.

Here is a converter for ya.

http://www.sciencemadesimple.com/weight_conversion.php

Greg

[Harris]

28.35g per oz.

Here is a converter for ya.

http://www.sciencemadesimple.com/weight_conversion.php

Greg

Trust you to be so accurate lol

romeo must be flyin his bird at around 8lb goin on his math.lol

no offence romeo m8 :wink:

[Dave G]

greg it showed 25 on these lol as was 1/4oz ;( ???

[Dave G]

:supz: my male harris flys at 8lb yipeee

[GregMik]

Trust you to be so accurate lol

romeo must be flyin his bird at around 8lb goin on his math.lol

no offence romeo m8 :wink:

Hey I live with a woman who flies small accipiters...She weighs her bird to the tenth (yes that is .1) of a gram. If my scale would read down to that she would be doing that with her Red also. :roll: It kinda rubs off on ya after a while.

Greg

P.S. That is why Romeos birds are always the biggest around!!:lol: :supz:

[Harris]

:supz: my male harris flys at 8lb yipeee

you could be huntin wild buffalo with that m8 :lol:

[Dave G]

greg i fly a harris eagle pmsl :butthead:

[Harris]

I'll pick up one of those scales from Argos today, and modify it, if it works out ok, I will put up the pics and details of how to do it with costings etc.

[Dave G]

ninja jon get them scales out and put a 2 pence on them and plz post up on here what it reads :supz: helllllllppppppp meeeeeee pmsl

[Dave G]

I'll pick up one of those scales from Argos today, and modify it, if it works out ok, I will put up the pics and details of how to do it with costings etc.
hi m8 the salter ones m8 if so they are bang on weigh down to 1/8 oz up to 5lb

[Harris]

ninja jon get them scales out and put a 2 pence on them and plz post up on here what it reads :supz: helllllllppppppp meeeeeee pmsl

probably about a kilo on your scales pmsl ;)

[Harris]

These ones

http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Search?storeId=10001&catalogId=4501&langId=-1&searchTerms=8418508+&go.x=9&go.y=14

[Dave G]

harris m8 mine do the oz and pounds so ive no probs it was ninja jons scales they didnt show oz only gramms when i placed a 2 pence on it it read 25 grms ??? as if i place a 2 pence on my scales it shows 1/4 oz ;) so mine are ok it was ninjas we had to work out :butthead:

[Dave G]

These ones

http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Search?storeId=10001&catalogId=4501&langId=-1&searchTerms=8418508+&go.x=9&go.y=14
no mate not the hansons the salter ones

[Harris]

harris m8 mine do the oz and pounds so ive no probs it was ninja jons scales they didnt show oz only gramms when i placed a 2 pence on it it read 25 grms ??? as if i place a 2 pence on my scales it shows 1/4 oz ;) so mine are ok it was ninjas we had to work out :butthead:


that would be about right, I just weighed a 2p on my pocket digital scales and it weighs 7.2gms which as you said is around a 1/4oz ;)

[Harris]

no mate not the hansons the salter ones

Have you seen how many scales are in the new argos catalogue??? there must be 10 pages of them lol, will have a better look l8r I just thought that at £5.00 they are worth a look :cool:

[Dave G]

the scales i have harris are on the bottom of the first page of argos salter microtonics £24.99 they are brill

[Dave G]

ive just been notified by jon that when his scales are on lb they dont show oz up as 1/4 i.e it shows up as 0:25 thats what i was on about so sorry it wasnt in grams pmsl im a thicko :butthead:

[Bash]

Tilly,
It doesn't matter if they are accurate or not. They just have to be consistant. You could have one that is 6oz's off, and as long as it is always 6oz's off....it won't matter. The thing you have to do is have something that wieghs close to what your bird does and check your scale with that to make sure it is not varying at all.

Greg

Greg,

If your scales are off then would you agree that there might be something wrong with them? Maybe they are not functioning correctly? If I had scales that where inaccurate then I would certainly presume that they might have a problem.

As such, it would be dangerous to persume that they would be 6oz off from one day to another. Who's to say the next day they might be 7oz off? If you don't check them accurately each week then how would you know if they are giving you the correct weight from one day to the next?

You can't weigh something that is close to your birds weight if you don't know what it is in the first place.

I used to travel around the country meeting friends to go flying. I wouldn't take my weighting machine as I use a counter balance that is too heavy. I would always weight my bird on my friends scales who were accurate balance scales like mine. I guess you would never be able to do that if you wanted?

I would like to point out to new comers the importance of having accurate balance scales for your birds. Good stamped weights are just as important which all must be tested and calibrated at least once a week.

Do NOT take a chance with your birds weight. It is one of the most important and basic handling requirements of falconry. Do so and you'll kill it or loose it.......simple as.

Greg, sorry mate but I found your statement concerning. I don't mean to have a go but I think it sent out the wrong message to newcomers. An experienced person such as yourself might get away using scales like that but a newcomer wouldn't I'm afraid.

[Ninja-Jon]

Rite mine dont come up as daves did ie; Romeo they showed 0.25 with a two pence piece sat on them but did not display the oz

[GregMik]

Greg,

If your scales are off then would you agree that there might be something wrong with them? Maybe they are not functioning correctly? If I had scales that where inaccurate then I would certainly presume that they might have a problem.

As such, it would be dangerous to persume that they would be 6oz off from one day to another. Who's to say the next day they might be 7oz off? If you don't check them accurately each week then how would you know if they are giving you the correct weight from one day to the next?

You can't weigh something that is close to your birds weight if you don't know what it is in the first place.

I used to travel around the country meeting friends to go flying. I wouldn't take my weighting machine as I use a counter balance that is too heavy. I would always weight my bird on my friends scales who were accurate balance scales like mine. I guess you would never be able to do that if you wanted?

I would like to point out to new comers the importance of having accurate balance scales for your birds. Good stamped weights are just as important which all must be tested and calibrated at least once a week.

Do NOT take a chance with your birds weight. It is one of the most important and basic handling requirements of falconry. Do so and you'll kill it or loose it.......simple as.

Greg, sorry mate but I found your statement concerning. I don't mean to have a go but I think it sent out the wrong message to newcomers. An experienced person such as yourself might get away using scales like that but a newcomer wouldn't I'm afraid.

I never said anything about using someone elses scale. If you have a scale that is 6oz off...I would hope that you would think about getting something else. But...and that is a big but, you can still use it to weigh your bird as long as it is always 6oz's off. If you have a standard(something that will not change in weight) that you check it with often. You will still be consistent in your weighing of the bird.

Try this once. Got to a meet with a standard. Put it on every bodies scale. I bet you get at least a 5g range in the readings you get. Now 5g's is not that much difference for a bigger bird. But you get down to the smaller birds say a Musket, that is a big difference. I would be more concerned using someone else's scale than I am my own that I know isn't varying at all.

If you don't know your scale is off and you have a lead weight that is close to the weight of your bird. And using that lead weight your scale never changes in the readings you get. That scale will do fine for flying a bird. It doesn't matter what it reads as long as it always reads the same, with the standard. That is all I am trying to get across. Of course you would like to have as accurate a scale as you can get. But it doesn't matter if your scale is a few grams off, as long as it is always that same few grams off.

Greg

[Bash]

I never said anything about using someone elses scale. If you have a scale that is 6oz off...I would hope that you would think about getting something else. But...and that is a big but, you can still use it to weigh your bird as long as it is always 6oz's off. If you have a standard(something that will not change in weight) that you check it with often. You will still be consistent in your weighing of the bird.

Try this once. Got to a meet with a standard. Put it on every bodies scale. I bet you get at least a 5g range in the readings you get. Now 5g's is not that much difference for a bigger bird. But you get down to the smaller birds say a Musket, that is a big difference. I would be more concerned using someone else's scale than I am my own that I know isn't varying at all.

If you don't know your scale is off and you have a lead weight that is close to the weight of your bird. And using that lead weight your scale never changes in the readings you get. That scale will do fine for flying a bird. It doesn't matter what it reads as long as it always reads the same, with the standard. That is all I am trying to get across. Of course you would like to have as accurate a scale as you can get. But it doesn't matter if your scale is a few grams off, as long as it is always that same few grams off.

Greg

Greg,

In your first paragraph you say that if it is 6oz off then you would hope they get something else. With that I guess that you agree with my preivous statement? But then straight after you go on to say that you can still use it to weigh your bird as long as it's always 6oz off?

You either think this is acceptable or you dont?

As I said eariler, I think if your scales are off by this much then there is probably something wrong with them and as such you could never guarantee that they would be either 6oz or 7oz off from day to day.

I understand what your saying Greg but I disagree with you. As I said previously, it may work for you as your an experienced falconer but it's not a message we should be giving newcomers who would surely kill or loose their bird using such a method.

I guess we both have different experiences weighing our birds?

[Jimmy]

You should always check your scales against something that is a similair weight to your bird. Your scales might read fine when you check it with a small weight, say an ounce, but could still be WAY off when you weigh something that's a couple of pounds.
Never the less, I agree with Greg. As long as they always read the same amount off, you won't have any problems.

Jimmy

[Yarak1]

You should always check your scales against something that is a similair weight to your bird. Your scales might read fine when you check it with a small weight, say an ounce, but could still be WAY off when you weigh something that's a couple of pounds.
Never the less, I agree with Greg. As long as they always read the same amount off, you won't have any problems.

Jimmy

I agree with you Jimmy that Greg is right in the principal he applies..........

As long as the scale reads the same all the time there is no difference in it starting at 6ozs than at zero.....

[Yarak1]

Greg,

In your first paragraph you say that if it is 6oz off then you would hope they get something else. With that I guess that you agree with my preivous statement? But then straight after you go on to say that you can still use it to weigh your bird as long as it's always 6oz off?

You either think this is acceptable or you dont?

As I said eariler, I think if your scales are off by this much then there is probably something wrong with them and as such you could never guarantee that they would be either 6oz or 7oz off from day to day.

I understand what your saying Greg but I disagree with you. As I said previously, it may work for you as your an experienced falconer but it's not a message we should be giving newcomers who would surely kill or loose their bird using such a method.

I guess we both have different experiences weighing our birds?

If a scale is always 6ozs off then that is no different to a scale always starting on zero.........
As long as you are aware then it doesn't matter..........

If it always reads 6ozs off then it can never be 7ozs off can it!

[GregMik]

Greg,

In your first paragraph you say that if it is 6oz off then you would hope they get something else. With that I guess that you agree with my preivous statement? But then straight after you go on to say that you can still use it to weigh your bird as long as it's always 6oz off?

You either think this is acceptable or you dont?

As I said eariler, I think if your scales are off by this much then there is probably something wrong with them and as such you could never guarantee that they would be either 6oz or 7oz off from day to day.

I understand what your saying Greg but I disagree with you. As I said previously, it may work for you as your an experienced falconer but it's not a message we should be giving newcomers who would surely kill or loose their bird using such a method.

I guess we both have different experiences weighing our birds?

Bash,
I do agree with you. I was just using 6oz as an example. I was trying to get the point across on consistency. I know what you mean about the scale having a problem if it is 6oz off. It should be replaced if it is, but you can still use it until a replacement comes, as long as you use a standard to make sure it is consistent. I again want to stress consistency. And the way to get and maintain consistency is to use a standard to check your scale often.
We are arguing over semantics when we are really in agreement. I hope I am coming across right this time.


Did I say consistent enough?:roll: :lol:


Greg

[Bash]

Bash,
I do agree with you. I was just using 6oz as an example. I was trying to get the point across on consistency. I know what you mean about the scale having a problem if it is 6oz off. It should be replaced if it is, but you can still use it until a replacement comes, as long as you use a standard to make sure it is consistent. I again want to stress consistency. And the way to get and maintain consistency is to use a standard to check your scale often.
We are arguing over semantics when we are really in agreement. I hope I am coming across right this time.


Did I say consistent enough?:roll: :lol:


Greg

Yes you have ....:lol:

[stoney_sjl]

Thanks for an interesting thread - here's how I modified my Salter digi scales (argos 8405731) if anyone would like to do the same ?
Took me about 15 minutes all told using bits left over from other projects - The decking and aluminium tube came originally from B & Q, the perch from a tree branch (fallen).

Materials:
Base - 8"x6"x1" timber (offcut of decking)
Perch - 8" long perch piece (another offcut)
Uprights - 2 off 7-8" 5/16" diameter aluminium tube

Tools:
Drill
1/4" drill
5/16" drill
1/4" stud/bolt/dowel

1 - drill 1/4" hole through base piece at either end of the 8" length, between 1/2" and 3/4" in
2 - drill 1 x 1/4" hole through middle of perch at same distance in as hole in base
3 - put 1/4" stud/bolt/dowel through base and into perch to hold in place
4 - drill 1/4" hole through other end of perch using hole in base as a guide
5 - now use 5/16" drill and open hole up to 5/16"
6 - press one of the uprights through base and into perch to hold in place
7 - remove 1/4" stud/bolt/dowel
8 - open this hole up to 5/16" too
9 - remove upright that's holding perch to base
10 - now assemble by pressing uprights into perch and then into base
11 - gently tweak so that everything's nice and square
12 - cover perch with astroturf or similar using your preferred technique

This all fitted together so snugly I didn't have to glue anything, but if things look a little loose, Araldite as required.

Place on scales and hit the "on" button, scales should auto-zero, then test with some known weights.

The remaining bit of work is to attach the platform to the scales (they have a glass disc on top) so I'll test them out tonight and assuming I get a good result, I'll work out an attachment and post back results tomorrow.

If anyone wants a picture, I'll post one here ?

Cheers

Simon

[Merlinni]

A picture of the scales would be handy simon if poss:)

[Huntsalone]

About ten years ago I converted a set of old hospital baby balance scales.They are big scales with a movable weight on the side so when some dampness or dryness gets into the perch you can adjust it to get ot spot on.
I remember flying a red tail its weight was a odd lump of metal 7 2pence peices selotaped together and a fishing weight.
Balance scales work better for me as I have confidence in them.But I am shure digital scales work just as well.AQs have been said in previous threads.its consistency.

[Yarak]

I use a triple beam O'Haus scale. It requires no batteries or electricity. It can take a fall without damage. It is easily calibrated and has extra weights.
Yarak

[Nigg]

Ive got electronic scales m8 .
They,ve always worked for me .
I had to modify them by bulding a perch on them .
Im sure they cost about £25
Cheers
Jb

Try ARGOS'S cheapest, and so far no problems. Nigg

[Graham Stuart]

Electronic scales with a plastic top just turn and it pops off, then used the wifes rolling pin, cut it and glued it and nailed it together, screwed it from the underside of the plastic top then clip it back into place, cover with astro-turf and jobs a good un, costing less than a tenner...graham