landrover defender 90

[BrianM]

as i said on another post i am going to see a landrover defender 90 on wednesday with a veiw to buying it, any tips on what to look out foR ????

[HawkMan69UK]

hello brian the first thing to look for is 4 tyres and an engine helps too...:lol: .........

[NorthenEnglandHawker]

check to see if its rusted on the bulk head if it is dont buy it it will set you back 2 grand to fix

[HawkMan69UK]

and if it does its a good start ,,,what reg mate i looked at a few but window sills were a fav to go rear hinges on the boot door... electrics are simple.... arches are aprone to rust and bottom of the doors ....they are proper off roaders mate engines go on forever:supz:

[Heike]

arches are aprone to rust and bottom of the doors ...

They are aluminium ?

[Chris S]

dont worry his from bristol ha ha
look out for oil leaks and smoke just look at the underside for rust and if its had any welding done on it.the so called RUST on the doors is the alloy it reacts with the paint in places and so the paint flacks off

[OwlsFoot]

Try And Get The 300 Tdi Engine In It Mate Thats A Good Lump As You Will Get They Are Great Landys I Have One At Work With Big Bf Goodriches On It Pulls Anything And Goes Anywere Best Of Luck Mate Just Look At A Few B4 Jumpin In Buyin One Cos Just As You Buy One Another With Big Spots A Winch And Snorkel Will Come Round The Corner At The Same Price All The Best
Paul

[HawkMan69UK]

arches are aprone to rust and bottom of the doors ...

They are aluminium ?thats what i thought but the one i went to see all the bottom of the doors were gone on the inside????i drove all the way to burton on trent for nothing:evil:

[HawkMan69UK]

dont worry his from bristol ha ha
look out for oil leaks and smoke just look at the underside for rust and if its had any welding done on it.the so called RUST on the doors is the alloy it reacts with the paint in places and so the paint flacks off cheeky f----r:-D

[Chris S]

the go on forever m8 got a 1986 D reg 110 pick up had it ten years still on the same tyers its been used and abused put a 200 tdi in it about four years ago, never part with her,just spray underneth with oil every couple of years and should be ok must do some good cos mines never had any welding done and is solid as a rock

[AngelJakki]

arches are aprone to rust and bottom of the doors ...

They are aluminium ?
I'll have to how you the doors on my 110 defender or whats left of them new ones on the way:wink:

[HawkMan]

Check the oil level m8 ,
If its high the engine could be F####d.
I bought 1 years ago and they filled it with thick oil .The engine blew up 6 months later costing over a k to skim the head and other stuff .
Take a good mechanic with you it,ll save in the long run .
All the best
Jb
Im sure there,s a AA check you can do aswell ,for about £25

[Kennelre]

What you should look out for depends on your vehicular knowledge really which is why, I think, it's always best to take someone mechanical with you, especially if you are planning to part with serious money. If it's a private buy then I like the one owner from new situation accompagnied by a full service history. If you are a serious Landrover head whose idea of a good time is to live under the bonnet, then all well and good....if not, then you just end up shelling out money. Something about Landrovers appears to inspire trust in buyers and a mistaken assumption that they don't go wrong...but, when they do, it can cost alot if you can't do it yourself...even the ones that you were thrilled to pay so little for. I am assuming, from your question, that you are not a mechanical whizz and you don't mention the age of the Lanny that you're thinking of buying but traceable history is important, a lively engine (ie. not too tired), decent tyres and rust..and rust...and rust. I :heart: Defenders!

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

check to see if its rusted on the bulk head if it is dont buy it it will set you back 2 grand to fix
A little of the mark there. A brand new bulkhead costs 275, an idiot with a haynes manual could fit one!

[Sparrow Hawker]

Hi Brian,

Drop Gos212 a pm he's from up your way there's nothing he doesn't know about Defenders. :)

Depending on how old the Landy is, the cambelt may need replacing and check the condition of the bulkhead if thats worse for wear then its very costly to fix, look for the general overall conditon of the vehicle have to be careful as most Landy's have been used and abused.

All The Best,

SH

[W Jenkins]

Hi Brian that is sound advise that Kennelre has given you m8, i had the Td4 some two years ago and was a great 4x4 but when somethin does go wrong make sure you have good warranty cause they are really expensive cars to fix, secondly m8 servicing is also through the roof better still if you know a mechanic get them to do it, and if you need one give me a call for i have a freind who runs his own garage in Airdrie.

Funny that cos i am picking up my Shogun 2.5 Tdi warrior sport on Friday, anyway if you need it given the once over m8 before you buy it give us a call.

[BrianM]

thanks wullie the guy who is selling it is a director at st mirren football club , i was fair impressed with it its a 1992 ,, 2.5 diesel defender 90 with 92000 on the clock ,, i was told mileage isnt really that important on these beasts,, talked him down from £3500 to £2600,, and with the insurance at only £180 , i think i got a bargin ???? i will put up pics asap. ps whos your buddy with the garage??

brian

[LanczSpringer]

Sounds like a fair price that Brian, good haggleing skills!

I have always fancied a defender 90 but they sure do hold their prices, should make a super falconry wagon!

[BrianM]

thanks Antony gave a good firm handshake ,,,, ;) i know what your saying mate about the prices,, i couldnt believe what defenders that were 15 / 16 years old with 115000 odd mile on the clock were going for,,,, WHY??????

[LanczSpringer]

;-)

Crazy prices, old series 2 landys are expensive then you probably need to repalce the whole of the bulkhead, outriggers etc etc!

Still wouldn't mind one but will stick to my old daihatsu sportrak for now, cost next to nowt only done 56k and in summer I can remove the rear roof and put the soft top on!

Only prob is its a petrol and its a Daihatsu, (not realy soft top totty machine ;-) )

[Hacker]

Because they are built like a big meccano set.
You can almost rebuild one with about dozen spanners.
Plus massive aftermarket parts market, again rebuild one from the parts bin.
I used to race them all over the world in my younger days,Sahara, Russia,Arctic and many other places in big off road rallies using powerhouses from 4.7 ltr V8`s down to 2.5 TDI`s.
Also use to manage a LR conversion specialist garage.
There are good ones and bad ones, buy a good one and you have many miles of trouble free motoring, buy a dog and woe betide you and the bank manager!

[NorthenEnglandHawker]

A little of the mark there. A brand new bulkhead costs 275, an idiot with a haynes manual could fit one!


thanks for the info k the person who told me that seems not to no as much as he thinks:rolleyes:

[North East Harris Hawker]

i got into them about 4 years back, ive now got 3, brilliantly simple, not particularly fast, but speed is not the reason for buying one. parts are cheap, there is a massive market for parts even going back to the very earlyones. mine has just hit 200k miles and still goes great. the series three on the other hand has been a pain in the arrse. i am close to colmpleting an engine transplant on this one (but with the replacement engine costing £75 its kinda funny) this old truck is a 71 S3, and it'll go again!

[Jack Merlin]

I agree. I had about five Peugeot 504's in succession and swore by them (and at them at they would get stuck on a blade of grass). I didn't like the price of Land Rovers. But I wish I had switched years ago.

Had a 200Tdi which got bent. Replaced the rear tub and cross member and sold it for a substantial profit. Now have a 300Tdi which is quite fast enough for me and have never looked back.

Easy to work on and if you access the Land Rover news groups, lots of helpful guys out there with good advice. Just be careful what you buy, preferably taking someone knowledgeable along with you to do an examination. Garages can be VERY expensive, especially the authorised agents.

[Johnny Abbott]

check to see if its rusted on the bulk head if it is dont buy it it will set you back 2 grand to fixcouldnt agree more mate

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Theres a guy near leeds/Bradford airport selling brand new bulkheads for 275.

[North East Harris Hawker]

http://www.lro.com
has a forum asnd you can buy just about any part on here pretty cheaply. most of the guys on here are enthusiasts, ive been looking for an overdrive linkage for some time, a bloke sent me some pieces for free! now you cant get much better than that!

[BrianM]

picking mine up tomorrow ,, i will post pics asap ,,, BTW like your siggy NEHH , wonder who ya heard saying that lol;) :supz:

[Sambo]

all i can say is hope u pick a good one, i had this one for a while proper shed on wheels just check for rust on bulkhead and on the chassie and also check the steering as this can also have problems

[BrianM]

yes ive test drove it already,, its been recommended by a mate who has a 4x4 center and i trust his word,,,,,,,,,,,, BTW why is you defender parked outside a sex shop lol

[Kennelre]

My first landrover was an ex military lightweight with a canvas tilt....it drove like a pregnant hippo and was always trying to throw me in the ditch. Never any problem with parking though because it had that 'nothing to lose' sort of look that made people sort of volunteer their space! I still feel sad about selling her :heart: .....but she went to a good home :cry:

[HawkGirl]

What you should look out for depends on your vehicular knowledge really which is why, I think, it's always best to take someone mechanical with you, especially if you are planning to part with serious money. If it's a private buy then I like the one owner from new situation accompagnied by a full service history. If you are a serious Landrover head whose idea of a good time is to live under the bonnet, then all well and good....if not, then you just end up shelling out money. Something about Landrovers appears to inspire trust in buyers and a mistaken assumption that they don't go wrong...but, when they do, it can cost alot if you can't do it yourself...even the ones that you were thrilled to pay so little for. I am assuming, from your question, that you are not a mechanical whizz and you don't mention the age of the Lanny that you're thinking of buying but traceable history is important, a lively engine (ie. not too tired), decent tyres and rust..and rust...and rust. I :heart: Defenders!

I've no experience of the Defender, but have owned both the discovery and freelander. The discovery we owned for about 18 months in which time we must have spent £2500 on it, fire engines on the motorway and everything, still got the freelander. Thought we'd have more luck with it because it was a lot newer, (x-reg) but within 2000 mile the cylinder head had gone, costing mega-bucks, and now we have a mad water leak requiring the manifold to be changed (apparently). Thats gettin done next week and I don't reckon it's gonna be cheap! The Landrovers I've had have looked cool, but have both been an expensive pain in the a**e! Wouldnt touch one again personally!

[Harris]

My first landrover was an ex military lightweight with a canvas tilt....it drove like a pregnant hippo and was always trying to throw me in the ditch. Never any problem with parking though because it had that 'nothing to lose' sort of look that made people sort of volunteer their space! I still feel sad about selling her :heart: .....but she went to a good home :cry:


I can tell you from experience that Millitary Landys are way over serviced, but I would buy one tomorrow! for example:-

A landrover I was in charge of in the Army, was due a "Service", typical stuff, all the oils and filters etc. etc. however the landy never left the hanger for 2 weeks, and was then due another service (by a different name) basically the same thing done again within 2 weeks for no reason! this was routine, we used to service these vehicles about every 300 miles! There used to be auctions somewhere of these exmillitary vehicles, I was once told that you could pick one up for a few hundred quid! would like to find out where tho.

[BrianM]

I've no experience of the Defender, but have owned both the discovery and freelander. The discovery we owned for about 18 months in which time we must have spent £2500 on it, fire engines on the motorway and everything, still got the freelander. Thought we'd have more luck with it because it was a lot newer, (x-reg) but within 2000 mile the cylinder head had gone, costing mega-bucks, and now we have a mad water leak requiring the manifold to be changed (apparently). Thats gettin done next week and I don't reckon it's gonna be cheap! The Landrovers I've had have looked cool, but have both been an expensive pain in the a**e! Wouldnt touch one again personally!


i have heard this from others about the cylinder head // gasket going ,, seemingly a fault on freelanders that landrover wont own up to

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Are these TD4 engines buy any chance?

[BrianM]

thats the ones .. gaskets and head made from inferior materals that were replaced on newer models,,, 93 onwards

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

AAhhhhhh. Thats what you get when you let BMW loose on british design. One of BMW's improved engines!

[BrianM]

there was a big bit on watchdog a few months ago about them , literaly hundreds of compaints about gaskets going ,,,

[Hacker]

No it is not the TD4 engine, that is the only engine worth having.
The problem is the K series 1.8 rover engine.
They are also experiencing problems with the V6 engine, another rover product.
I wouldn`t touch one with a barge pole.
The TD4 bmw diesel engine is a gem in comparison.

[BrianM]

No it is not the TD4 engine, that is the only engine worth having.
The problem is the K series 1.8 rover engine.
They are also experiencing problems with the V6 engine, another rover product.
I wouldn`t touch one with a barge pole.
The TD4 bmw diesel engine is a gem in comparison.


i stand corrected ,, it that the model before bmw came on board??

[Hacker]

Yes m8, thats the one, nice car,**** engine.

[BrianM]

my new defender 90

i will get some proper ones up when i get out into the fields

[AngelJakki]

WOW thats well tidy. I shall have to post a pic of mine its waiting for a respray and new doors as said but you'll laugh at it will look totally different when finished the worlds your oyster with the landys :rolleyes: so many after sales bits I love it not a handbag girl me :lol:

[AngelJakki]

You putting light guards, wrap around bumper on and running board

[BrianM]

erm, no jakki , susan says if i spend any more money she will lynch me,, lol

[AngelJakki]

Oh no thats the fun of these things maybe you can just sneak a piece here and there and say it was on when she asks if it was there before.:roll:

[Moses]

very nice bud, is that gonna be used mainly for falconry mate

cheers

[GosFlyer]

BRIANM. just needs the wing mirror modifying to rest a .223 on. and a roof spot light to save getting cold hands.:rolleyes:

[BrianM]

very nice bud, is that gonna be used mainly for falconry mate

cheers
both the birds and foxin

[BrianM]

BRIANM. just needs the wing mirror modifying to rest a .223 on. and a roof spot light to save getting cold hands.:rolleyes:


its in the post mate

[Moses]

both the birds and foxin


nice one mate :)

[AngelJakki]

BRIANM. just needs the wing mirror modifying to rest a .223 on. and a roof spot light to save getting cold hands.:rolleyes:
Now thats a good idea David went out in my brava as the engine is so quite and shot through the mirror as he forgot about his barrel:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[North East Harris Hawker]

smart truck brian, have you had a little peep on ebay yet at all the bits and bobs that "need" to be bought for it?

[Hacker]

First things first, get rid of those bl***y land rover Enthusiast stickers!:oops:

[North East Harris Hawker]

No it is not the TD4 engine, that is the only engine worth having.
The problem is the K series 1.8 rover engine.
They are also experiencing problems with the V6 engine, another rover product.
I wouldn`t touch one with a barge pole.
The TD4 bmw diesel engine is a gem in comparison.
now here is a man who knows land rovers!

the k series petrol engine is notoriouse for cylinder head gaskets, even when replaced/skimmed they are still an inferior engine, and a very thirsty one too. I know of at least 5 people who have owned them and EVERY one of them have suffered this problem. As for the fire engine incident..was this a properly maintained vehicle? sounds very unusual.
The diesels are pretty solid (early 2286cc diesels are a bit rough though and getting them to pass emissions can be fun)the early 2286cc petrol is probbaby stronger (albeit a little thirsty)
I know of a couple of people who ahve had problems with the early 2.5 turbo but once you move on from here..AND provided the engine is well serviced the diesel engines are pretty bomb proof. 200tdi and 300tdi are both great engines that are not over thirsty. Gentle driving should see a return of 35 MPG or more on a decent run. The bigger petrols whilst thirsty really pack some grunt and again will seemingly go on forever whilst maintained. The TD5/TDV6 i cant comment on at the moment as they ae still quite new. From those who i have spoken to they seem to like the extra power that the TD5 has but dont like the economy when compared to the earlier tdi engines.
the 200/300 tdi offer about the best MPG at the moment. (unless any tdv6 owners can tell me otherwise) late low mileage 300tdi defenders can command a higher price than early TD5's :shock: as they seem to be preffered by the diy mechanic.
I still love em though :wink:

[BrianM]

First things first, get rid of those bl***y land rover Enthusiast stickers!:oops:


lol whys that then mate ??

[Hacker]

I`ll have to see if i can post some pics of us racing in the Sahara, Russia and on the Warn Trophy and other places.
All good fun!

[Pitbull]

Now thats a good idea David went out in my brava as the engine is so quite and shot through the mirror as he forgot about his barrel:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

bloody BSA superten why did the barrel have to be so short.
Missed for f!"k sake...The bunnie was in my sights,... this scope must be well out..ohhhh thats why..:lol:
12653

[Hacker]

LOS:supz:

[BrianM]

pmsl

[BrianM]

where would i get chequerboarding for the doors and bonnet???

[Hacker]

Just look in any mag m8, LRO LRW etc. it`s coming out of your ears!.
Just be careful if you fix it with rivets, because the steel of the rivet will react with the aluminium body skin and cause corrosion, as will the damp and **** that can get behind the chequer plate on the sills.
Most of it that you see is like upvc cladding on houses, it covers up the cr*p!
Looks good though!
I know a guy that bought an LR90 that looked like it had rolled a couple of times, but after he attached chequer plate everywhere it looked like new and he sold it for a tidy profit!

[BrianM]

Just look in any mag m8, LRO LRW etc. it`s coming out of your ears!.
Just be careful if you fix it with rivets, because the steel of the rivet will react with the aluminium body skin and cause corrosion, as will the damp and **** that can get behind the chequer plate on the sills.
Most of it that you see is like upvc cladding on houses, it covers up the cr*p!
Looks good though!
I know a guy that bought an LR90 that looked like it had rolled a couple of times, but after he attached chequer plate everywhere it looked like new and he sold it for a tidy profit!


thats why i want it mate ,, theres a few dings and dunts on the bonnet and doors , just to cover them up

[HawkGirl]

The freelander is 1.8 petrol engine, the discovery with the 'fire engine incident' was diesel... we had only has head it 3 months and it wasn't short of water or oil, although it's history before we had it i could not say. We were takin the kids he zoo....aged 3, 18 mnth and three mnth old, we pulled over on M56 coz of a mad noise, black smoke everywhere, didnt know ourselves if we were alight or not as smoke prevented us from seeing through , got the kids out which was hard as it was only 3 door and they were all strapped in the back! took the keys out and still the engine roared (those who know about cars will probably know about this, i've heard) but as we dont it was scary! we literally wrapped ourselves round the kids as we were pulling them out thinkin it was gonna blow up! 3 fire engines and three police cars came...scared us to death! Later the turbo went (it was the 2.5Tdi model) which cost another £800...totally NO FAITH whatsoever in Landrover, although lovely looking vehicles!!! When we did make the decision to part-ex it, the previous owner's had HPI!! and the story goes on........:mad:

[Sambo]

where would i get chequerboarding for the doors and bonnet???
www.rebel4x4.co.uk (http://www.rebel4x4.co.uk) have quite a bit of chequer plating stuff

[LanczSpringer]

Looks great Brian, did it even come with two boxes of DOC ;-)

[AngelJakki]

you can get new skins for the doors and juut spary then new doors cool eh http://www.johncraddockltd.co.uk. BUt if you look on ebay you can get chequer plate really cheap and loads of other stuff;)

[BrianM]

thanks guys and jakki ,, your the only one who noticed antony lol

[HoumaFalconer]

those are really cool , how much do they cost

[BrianM]

what the car ???

[LanczSpringer]

Nah the DOC lol ;-)

£6 per 200

[North East Harris Hawker]

those are really cool , how much do they cost

they can be picked up for a couple of thousand, but your likely to get one that has been abused for that price. A well maintained one holds its price indefinately even a 1980 vehicle that is in a good roadwrthy condition can fetch 3-4000 pounds. not good if your buying one, but something to remember for when you sell it (if you sell it)

[Hacker]

Brian,
Here`s a pic of my 1984 LR90 200tdi.
I use it as my shooting/falconry/dog carrier.
Takes mud better than the Honda CRV.

[BrianM]

nice mate nice ,, mine wouldnt bloody start this morning ,, needed a new battery and glowplugs ,,,,,,,,,,, "and so it begins " lol

[Renton]

Brian,
Here`s a pic of my 1984 LR90 200tdi.
I use it as my shooting/falconry/dog carrier.
Takes mud better than the Honda CRV.

On those tyres; I should hope it would! :lol:

[Spudy]

nice landy brian mate...

this is mine my range rover(this is before the work got started lol)its a 2.5di import three door with 4 speed manual(with overdrive) and constent four wheel drive(useual low/high range and diff lock system)

its a lot higher now with bigger wheels but as you can see it still gets me anyware lol...spud