Flying Perch

[Jackson]

What do you guys use to fly your birds from. do you use a fence post, or have you bought a flying perch or have you made one??

i need some help cos ive been out shopping - b & Q, homebase etc but cant find anything suitable!!

id like to make one and ive got astroterf to put on it!!

any help, pictures or suggestion PLEASE!!!

:-D

[MattSpar]

A friend of mine tethered his golden eagle to a lighter-than-it-should-have-been bow. She took off, taking the thing with her. That was a flying perch alright.

[Sean]

for training? i just use a fench post, making sure thats it cant catch the line. was told that if u use your bow perch, it will teach the bird bad habbits, it needs to know it cant go anywhere on the bow.

[Saker-Clive]

as in for taking training? if so, all you need is a 'Garden Claw' from Woolies or B & Q etc. and wrap the handle in astro; or do you mean something else?

[Jackson]

for training? i just use a fench post, making sure thats it cant catch the line. was told that if u use your bow perch, it will teach the bird bad habbits, it needs to know it cant go anywhere on the bow.

what happens if theres no fence post and its just an open field??

p.s. dont worry wasnt even thinking of use the bow perch!

[Saker-Clive]

you could always use a garden fork and attach a slightly longer handle...........

[Jackson]

as in for taking training? if so, all you need is a 'Garden Claw' from Woolies or B & Q etc. and wrap the handle in astro; or do you mean something else?

yea i mean for training!! like say if i get a hh and want to take him out to a local field where i have permision to train him! i put the creance on him then where do i tie that to and what does he fly from to my fist?

[Saker-Clive]

I'm sure Chris would 'lurve' to help you out and that way he'll fly from fist to fist.:heart: ;-) (private joke)

[KevGem1]

home made (T) perch, long metal pole with approx 12 inchs long piece of 3 x 2wood covered in an old piece of carpet(make sure carpet is NOT of looped type that will catch birds talons)job done ive been using one for years all the best kev

[Sean]

u tie the creance to the swivel, as clive was saying , you can almost use anything, a hanlde on a fork would be perfect, once i used my traveling box, no probs, but that was cos the wind wasnt right for the fence line

[Tim Laycock]

Initial calls are fist to fist, moving on to trees.

[Sean]

ye, but not always easy to find a helper :(

[Tim Laycock]

An upside of marriage and fatherhood :yawinkle:

[KevGem1]

it is handy having a helpfull and understanding wife KEV;-)

[JayHawk]

i use a home made t-perch (astroturf top) which i made from the cheap posts u can get in b&q pointed at one end i take the sledge with me and give it a few taps into the ground lay the creance out at the chosen distance then lay the sledge (its a big un) on the ground which i then wrap the creance handle around a few times and this acts as a wieght if the bird should take of to anywhere other than the fist.works for me

jay

[Jackson]

home made (T) perch, long metal pole with approx 12 inchs long piece of 3 x 2wood covered in an old piece of carpet(make sure carpet is NOT of looped type that will catch birds talons)job done ive been using one for years all the best kev

got any pics??

[Sean]

found what u are after :D
http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=4882&highlight=perch

[BlackShaheen1]

use a garden fork .if there is nothing els about throw it in the ground bobs your uncle .train your bird .finish bird bask on fist pick up fork fannys your aunt .

[Tooker]

A friend of mine tethered his golden eagle to a lighter-than-it-should-have-been bow. She took off, taking the thing with her. That was a flying perch alright.

heheh...keep visualising that :)

[KevGem1]

no probs but the flash on my camera doesnt work so ill put one up tomorow KEV ;-)

[Jazz1]

Hi M8 i use this made from extending clothes line pole from Asda with the perch on top works great.

[Carol]

Ken and myself usually fly fist to fist at first and then move on to the staff perch that Ken made from a concreate stengthening rod, (the twisty metal one you find on building sites and so forth.)

carol

[MitchellBrad]

OK, What is a flying perch? I'm a longwinger so much of this is foreign to me. Please forgive the igorance. Also, I live 20 miles from the end of the earth and they don't let me get our very often

Bradford

[Jack Merlin]

Sorry, can't help you. I'm an austringer and always call off from the ground -- until I can trust the hawk to come out of trees.

The last thing I want is a hawk that bates at every fence post or gate I pass thinking that it has only to fly to it to get called off!

[Yarak1]

Sorry, can't help you. I'm an austringer and always call off from the ground -- until I can trust the hawk to come out of trees.

The last thing I want is a hawk that bates at every fence post or gate I pass thinking that it has only to fly to it to get called off!

You are not giving your hawk much of a chance to view quarry from the floor jack............if the birds on it's weight then calling from a tree shouldn't be a problem!!

[MitchellBrad]

Unfortunately I don't know what these things are either Jack. Let me tell you what I do with the falcons. Betcha ya knew already<G> The first flight is off the block to the lure then go home. The second is at a pigeon, then either go home or go find the bird<G>

Incidentally I think I've accomplished something. My setter is now working like a dream. Too bad the falconry season is over with. Time to find me another pup.

Brad

[Jack Merlin]

You are not giving your hawk much of a chance to view quarry from the floor jack............if the birds on it's weight then calling from a tree shouldn't be a problem!!

Oh come off it, your bird never flew instantly out of a tall tree the first time you called it off!! Or do you buy them pre-trained?

My hawk does not "view quarry". I use good dogs, position myself at the point so as to get the best flight, unhood the gos, and send in the spaniel. That way most of the flights will be over a hundred yards and some may be up to half a mile.

I'd call allowing the hawk to select its own flights from a tree self-hunting.

[Jack Merlin]

Unfortunately I don't know what these things are either Jack. Let me tell you what I do with the falcons. Betcha ya knew already<G> The first flight is off the block to the lure then go home. The second is at a pigeon, then either go home or go find the bird<G>

Incidentally I think I've accomplished something. My setter is now working like a dream. Too bad the falconry season is over with. Time to find me another pup.

Brad

Absolutely! And I'll bet that falcon just about trained itself. If I could get some decent ground, it would not take much for me to put my name down for another tiercel. This time I bet I'd get it right!<g>

As for the dogs, most of the good ones will work it out given time. But they must think the way we do things decidedly screwy!<g>

[MitchellBrad]

But they must think the way we do things decidedly screwy!<g>

Truer words were never said.

Brad

[MitchellBrad]

Absolutely! And I'll bet that falcon just about trained itself.

Jackmerlin,

I'm beginning to think they do train themselves in spite of all the horse **** I throw their way.

Brad

[Jack Merlin]

Jackmerlin,

I'm beginning to think they do train themselves in spite of all the horse **** I throw their way.

Brad

With dogs it is definitely a case of giving them the opportunity to learn rather than teaching them much more than the controls.

I've seen many a fool with a good dog and thought to myself, "He'll never manage to train that dog", but it has all worked out in the end. Not because of anything the trainer has done except wear out his boots on the mountain!

From what I've heard of the Bradfordism Method, you just provide the opportunity and the inbred good sense does the rest. No flying perch needed, or any other gadgets come to that. (Just to keep it on topic!<vbg>).

[KevGem1]

just took this not the pretty of things but works. KEVhttp://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b249/kevgem1/tperch007.jpg

[Jester]

i wouldnt tie the free end of the creance to anything solid just in case the bird flew off in another direction and came to a sudden stop.

they can get up to quite a speed within 30mtrs, and to come to a sudden halt might cause a shock load and snap the creance leaving the bird with the swivel and a short length of line to get tangled and hung up somehwere.

even worse it could dislocate or break the birds legs. Either way i would advise against it.

i prefer to keep it in my bag or pocket so i can soften the shock when the end is reached.



i may be wrong but it makes sense to me so thats what i do :cool:

[MitchellBrad]

"From what I've heard of the Bradfordism Method, you just provide the opportunity and the inbred good sense does the rest"

Well in my own defense I do take a block with me the first time in the field. Don't bother with a creance though. Put the falcon on the block, run like hell and throw the lure out. But in the yard she's proven she is ready by coming 20 or 30 feet to the lure or fist on the creance. I'll not take a block with me the second time cause she gets to chase something and I'd probably trip over it.

Brad

[Gary.B]

i wouldnt tie the free end of the creance to anything solid just in case the bird flew off in another direction and came to a sudden stop.

they can get up to quite a speed within 30mtrs, and to come to a sudden halt might cause a shock load and snap the creance leaving the bird with the swivel and a short length of line to get tangled and hung up somehwere.

even worse it could dislocate or break the birds legs. Either way i would advise against it.

i prefer to keep it in my bag or pocket so i can soften the shock when the end is reached.



i may be wrong but it makes sense to me so thats what i do :cool:

I do the same and use a garden fork with a bit of 2x1 cable tied onto the handle for a portable perch, I don't bother with carpet or astroturf as he doesn't spend that long on it.

[Jackson]

cheers for the thread sean!! suberb!!

thanks for the advice and suggestions- all has been taken on board!!

gonna try get a garden fork thing which clive (sakersucker) suggested! and stick astroterf on the handle!

all i want is something a can stick my hawk on at a reasonable height so i can call him to the fist (this can also be used to tie the creance to!)

unfortunately i havent got anyone wiling to lend a fist which would have worked well!

will try post pics once ive finished too to show what i ment!

[Sean]

amazon i usually run the creance through my baby finer as i walk back , if teh bird flys of, it wont be more that a foot or two. while if its in your pocket, or tied to your glove and you back of, and she flys, it will be 30 yards 40 yards before she stops.
Heres a thought guys, if a bird is flown from a low perch, will be be better for intial training as it wont like being on the floor, and then learns that your fist is a safe place. when i was getting rolf to fly to the lamp i would put him on the ground, the second he seen that light he was at me like no tomorrow.

[Sandalar]

Hey Jester
numerous people say not to fasten the creance to solid stuff.I suppose it would be abit like driving your car into a solid rock and expecting to come out unscathed.
Definitely a major safety thing for the birds tie it to something mobile on yourself and could maybe(havent tried it) use a bungee for smaller birds to soften it a bit more.
Jonathan

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