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[Kentish Falconry]

Hi Guy's, as anyone who was on line yesterday afternoon and evening will know by now the Forum almost crashed again and slowed down to almost a standstill.
The reason for this is the ammount of use the Server or in our case Servers are getting. We had a new Record of user numbers again yesterday at 21.58 hrs there were 142 people using the Forum. The Forum is getting bigger and bigger by the day and the new servers just can't cope with this ammount of traffic.
Unfortunatley there appears to be little we can do about it at the moment, the costs involved in getting another server is way beyond the ammount of revenue beeing generated by the Forum.
So we have a few choices of how to resolve the situation

we can put up with the crashing and hang ups on the Forum

We can start to charge for Classified Adverts like the IBR Site. I don't think this should effect Members advertising one bird but Breeders like myself should pay for the adverts and not just put them on the Forum For Sale section. If we wanted to advertise with Cage & Aviary Birds the cost would be £25 plus a week for the advert or on the IBR site £10 per advert.

Or we can all say put a £10 note each into the Forum to help to try and resolve the Forum issues of cash flow via PayPal.

Or we can just run the Forum untill it finally crashes and is forced to close down, so if we want to save the Forum something must be done now before it is too late. I know many of you will just say so what we can go elsewhere but then the other sites will start to get the same problems. A lot of work and money has gone into this Forum to make it work better for you the Members, so the time has come to try and help out our Community.

We also need to find more Sponsors for the site as it has been running at a loss since it started and Paul (Hawkmaster) and Sparrow are both getting into debt keeping the Forum running in the hope that matters will resolve themselved in the longrun but it is not working out for them.

If any one has any bright ideas of how we can resolve this then please put your ideas forward. We have to act now before it is too late.

Terry

[Johnny Abbott]

totally agree with everyone paying a tenner terry and as for the new members let them have a weeks free trial and after the week they like what they see pay the membership fee

[Harris]

I agree! am happy to pay a Tenner.

Perhaps we could arrange a grand auction on here, I am sure many people have got some falconry gear they no longer use or need. not sure how we could organise it, but a percentage could go to the site. just a thought :idea:

[Sean]

dont think people should have to pay for membership, afterall its the peoples forum! also dont think people should be charged for advertising, unless they are a site sponder. i doubt this forum doesnt make money one way or another, why else would HM go on about hits per day all the time

[Defender]

fine by me tenner it is then:supz: :supz:

[Harris]

dont think people should have to pay for membership, afterall its the peoples forum! also dont think people should be charged for advertising, unless they are a site sponder. i doubt this forum doesnt make money one way or another, why else would HM go on about hits per day all the time

Sean the Hits per day and page ranking etc, by themselves don't make money! the idea is that a site with a great page ranking and lots of hits, means that it is in a better position to offer advertisers a good deal, unfortunately the admins still need to sell the advertising space!

[Sean]

surely they get good money from site sponsers, what about these t shirts and hats, maybe they could bring in some money. but no way will i be taxed for going on a forum lol.

[Hells99]

I'll happily pay a tenner - worth it for the entertainment value! :)

[Harris]

surely they get good money from site sponsers, what about these t shirts and hats, maybe they could bring in some money. but no way will i be taxed for going on a forum lol.

I think the Tshirts are a good idea, but they need to get them on sale before the Falconry fair, as it will give peeps the opportunity to wear them and hence meet others off the forum!

[Sighthound]

I'm willing to pay.

[Osiris]

I'd be happy to pay some cash. Seems like a good idea to keep the forum going.

[Johnny Abbott]

surely they get good money from site sponsers, what about these t shirts and hats, maybe they could bring in some money. but no way will i be taxed for going on a forum lol.sean ive being to ireland a few times mate they never seem tight with there cash

[Dave G]

sean has some scotish in him ;) :supz:

[Jester]

a bike forum i used to be in had an annual subscription system

if you paid £5 a year you got access to PMs, got to upload pictures and access to some extra stuff. :supz:

if you didnt want to pay you got to use the forum but no PM or photo uploads (could still link to photos on other sites though) no avatars either

seems fair enough to me as that way if you are using bandwidth to upload pictures at least you are paying something towards it.

[Kentish Falconry]

dont think people should have to pay for membership, afterall its the peoples forum! also dont think people should be charged for advertising, unless they are a site sponder. i doubt this forum doesnt make money one way or another, why else would HM go on about hits per day all the time

Sean.......... Sorry M8 your attitude towards this matter is rather negative.
If you look there are 8 Sponsors of this Forum, it is not enough to pay the bills. Let me put it this way so you understand better, the outgoings are greater than the income so the site is running at a loss, we the members are in a position to save the site from folding, Hawkmaster and Sparrow are keeping the whole thing running at the moment from their own pockets and if it continues to loose money do we expect them to keep forking out.
Hawkmaster may be the owner of the Forum but the Forum is ours, we the members are the Forum so if each member was to put something back into our Community then we can save the Forum from disaster, if we all put in £10 or whatever we can afford even if it were £2 for those who have no money then we can carry on.
I for one enjoy the Forum and would miss it if it had to close down and looking at the ammount of time you spend on here and the posts you make so do you. When you started out in Falconry you got help here, all I am asking you is to help out just a little for all the hours of enjoyment you have had here
I hope you now understand and if you don't have any money then just say so don't just climb on your Soapbox, think before you type an answer. There is nothing in this for me and I am willing to pay towards keeping the ship afloat
Terry

[Midland hawker]

i think paying 2 use the IFF is agreat idea as u could never get the information like u can on here in books and books cost a lot more than a tenner and everyone birds are trained diffrent and there real life situations not something that happened years ago also advertising on here is second too none ive seen birds for weeks on sale on other forums and places .:supz: 5 mins on here and be for u can say i wonder how much that is its sold so what ever the out come im happy

[Dave G]

well said terry im sure most would put alittle money into this site to keep it afloat,as some of us have made new friends on here and have had some great days out flying and hunting .and some have made enimies but sod them :supz: ;)

[Harris]

Terry,

Perhaps Sparrow can put a link up direct to the IFF Paypal account, that way it will make it easier for everyone to make their donations!

[Fires59]

I think paying something towards the forumn would be a good idea but i do think it would put off more people than it would attract, agree with shauns point in a way. Would be interested to see how many people would put there wallet were there mouth is

[Osiris]

Terry,

Perhaps Sparrow can put a link up direct to the IFF Paypal account, that way it will make it easier for everyone to make their donations!

Its on the index/home page Harris.

» Support us
If you like this website, and would like to give something in return, you can make a donation.
Your donation will be used to pay for hosting service, domain, & maintenance costs only!

On the right hand column...

Jamie

[Harris]

There we are, I just put my money where my mouth was! and made 2 £5.00 donations!

Terry, it will be easier if a £10.00 amount can be added to the donations list in the drop down.

[Rapt0r]

It might be an idea to make the forum accessible for free (to read and view) but charge anyone that small fee to make posts and put photo's on the forum, hopefully not scaring off any potential members.

would the payment be a one-off to setup the server etc or an annual fee??

[Kentish Falconry]

I think paying something towards the forumn would be a good idea but i do think it would put off more people than it would attract, agree with sauns point in a way. Would be interested to see how many people would put there wallet were there mouth is

Hi, I am not saying we have to pay a £10 or anything like it, what I am after is ideas on how we can raise some cash to keep the ship afloat any contributions at the moment would be a great help in the intrim but we have to try and help with some ideas to keep going long term and I for one do not want to be re-writing this again next year. The Forum is now the biggest Falconry site in the World, when it was small in the early days it was not such a problem but now it has grown so big the costs of running it are going through the roof and the success of the site is now becoming it's own worst enemy, the more Users there are the greater Bandwidth we need to handle it and what we have now is just not capable of greater use so a bigger sever is needed, as I am sure you remember the new server was installed a few weeks back and it took us less than an hour to blow it up and we lost a days posts and threads in one hit. Someone has to pay for the upkeep, repairs and sever rentals why should this all rest on the shoulders of 2 people who quiet often get the blame for things going wrong when it is not their fault and they are the ones keeping our Forum alive.
ATB
Terry

[Kentish Falconry]

There we are, I just put my money where my mouth was! and made 2 £5.00 donations!

Terry, it will be easier if a £10.00 amount can be added to the donations list in the drop down.

Will try to get Sparrow on it now Thanks M8
Terry

[Fires59]

Totally agree with you kentish like i said would be happy to contribute myself, but do feel that it may put off some people especially younger members who maybe dont have the funds to do so. The shirt sale was a great idea i thought and i think most people wouldnt have minded paying abit on top to help fund the site. As for the hassle they may get this is from a small number of narrrow minded people that cant always see a bigger picture and that they do a good job. Seen a few slanging matches on here and can dowithout having to read them sometimes.

[Harris]

Terry, What about approaching more breeders and other falconry related businesses for advertising space and sponsorship, there must be hundreds out there moaning about their sales! I don't think anyone will mind a few adverts dotted around the site, as long as you don't use popups!! a simple listings page of these would be a start, with bigger and more promenantly placed adverts costing more. What about Honeybrook for example? also there are loads of BOP centers around the country. etc etc. :idea:

[Fires59]

What about haing a auction night on here once a month and charge the person a nominal amout for the advertisment or the sale say 5-10% of the sale price Good way of people getting rid of surplus stock and helping others who maybe cant pay full price for something.

[BrianM]

didnt we go down this route last year with t shirts , hats etc they never materialised

[Talon]

dont mind paying at all .but i dont know anything about pay pal.or how it works .so just put up a address wich i can send it to.ether by cash or postal order.

[Kentish Falconry]

Totally agree with you kentish like i said would be happy to contribute myself, but do feel that it may put off some people especially younger members who maybe dont have the funds to do so. The shirt sale was a great idea i thought and i think most people wouldnt have minded paying abit on top to help fund the site. As for the hassle they may get this is from a small number of narrrow minded people that cant always see a bigger picture and that they do a good job. Seen a few slanging matches on here and can dowithout having to read them sometimes.

I tried to make it clear that we would not expect someone to pay for site use if they couldn't afford it and yes some Members are out of work and struggleing to live or too young to work we have to make allowances for them
This is not a charge you have to pay if you don't want to but every little helps some can afford to pay more others less and some none at all.
The T Shirt idea was a great one but there is very lttle profit in them, to get a decent discount you have to buy in bulk and the Forum does not have the funds to buy this way so we have to keep buying in small numbers for now.
Terry

[Goldie]

I don't have a problem with a nominated amout being paid for to keep ANY forum running if it is required.
However, i fail to understand why anyone would run one that puts them in debt, especialy Sparrow who has no interest in falconry whatsoever.

I also think its fair to say that the majority of "regular" members would have a problem paying to keep it running whilst other view for free. It would in my opinion have to be done as a subscription and i am sure that those who ARE regulars would have no problem with a nominal yearly fee. New members would be allowed limited access on a trial basis.

One thing it would certainly do is reduce the falsely inflated member numbers and with a bit of luck get rid of the deadwood that are only here for the **** take.

[Kentish Falconry]

dont mind paying at all .but i dont know anything about pay pal.or how it works .so just put up a address wich i can send it to.ether by cash or postal order.

I will try to sort out an address for cheques, Postal Orders and cash to be sent to but I am unable to get through to Admin at the moment. Will sort it out tonight
Thanks
Terry:supz:

[Goldie]

I should have clarified that i wasn't having a dig at Sparrow, just trying to point out that if the forum was running at a major loss that he in particular having no interest in the falconry side would be unlikely to be doing it out of the goodness of his heart.
So that begs the question, what sort of loss are we talking about ?

[Fires59]

Just chipped in with my contribution hope it goes well and keep us informed:) why does it say $ donor though as it did say on my paypall that is was paid in £

[Osiris]

Adding a subscription (annaul subscription) would be the better of ideas. Although, simply donatiing would be a great help also. However There's a lot of people (i believe) which have donated in the past and haven't been recognised, which is a shame.

Icons like that Fires59 has, should be placed if someone at present or in the past has donated as a means of thank you.

Saying that, an annual subscription service would rectifiy most of everyones problems and help us and the forum going in discussions about our life in falconry and keeping.

I for one do not want to see this forum closed. Its a great discussion forum giving advice and gives us the chance to express our views on related topics etc. All to which we can't really let slip.

J

[Kentish Falconry]

Terry, What about approaching more breeders and other falconry related businesses for advertising space and sponsorship, there must be hundreds out there moaning about their sales! I don't think anyone will mind a few adverts dotted around the site, as long as you don't use popups!! a simple listings page of these would be a start, with bigger and more promenantly placed adverts costing more. What about Honeybrook for example? also there are loads of BOP centers around the country. etc etc. :idea:

Cheers for that M8 and it is on my list of things to do. I only found out last night by accident what has been going on and I am doing this off my own back as I feel it is very unfair of us Members to allow Sparrow & Hawkmaster to run the Forum from their back pocket.
Sparrow is a nice guy and has faith in the Forum being successfull in the long term so his work here is for just about nothing at the moment in the long term he may get some of his money and time back and I would hate to tell you how much Hawkmaster paid out to get the Forum up and running in the begining and he has not seen 1 penny of it back yet, like Sparrow he has faith but faith will not pay the bills
Terry:supz:

[Fires59]

why not just ask people via a mailing system to think about donating, sometimes it dosent just cross peoples minds or they are not fully aware of the situation i personnly wouldnt subscribe to a site but like i have done will donate. Just needed to be told about the reasons why and i suppose have got alot more involved on the site as confidence has increased with using the site:)

[Fires59]

Wots the likelihood of a auction night once a month like i mentioned in a realier reply

[ShortWing]

as a newish member I agree with Terry I am willing to pay a nominal fee for membership and advertising on the forum

[Kentish Falconry]

Wots the likelihood of a auction night once a month like i mentioned in a realier reply

Good idea I am already on it with Sparrow will talk to Hawkmaster tonight and see how best to arrange it
Regards
Terry

[ChrisRobbo]

I would agree with the annual subcription!

But i have no idea what a site like this would cost to upkeep/run and before donating an amount i would like to know some ball park figures of what losses the forum is expected to make. This way then we know how much is needed.

I don't mean to sound funny as i am willing to pay but i would appreciate knowing the costs!

all the best

[Fires59]

there are most probably loads of ideas that members can come out with just need to keep the ideas going and pick the best and the ones that would attract the interest of people and also attract people to the site

[Sean]

like chris said, what excatly are the costs? if all the members are charged 10 quid then that could lead to 20,000 quid or more. what about taking of the image attachments, instead people use another source such as photobucket. and what about all the free froms you see on the web, why not use those.

[Fires59]

All i can say is that it has been worth the donation for the information i have received and learnt no more than the cost of a good book.

[Intek Hosting]

I've talked privately with Sparrow about the hosting of this site, but we didnt get into costs profitability and we couldnt come to an agreement that would work for both of us.
I've done pretty much every kind of hosting you can imagine over the last 10 odd years. Everything from dodgy home BBS at £20 to multi million pound commercial projects.
There are a couple of technical details I dont have about the site (because it would be rude!! and against a half dozen laws for me to find out) but the total users you mention dont seem that high to me. (flame away I have thick skin and have survived worse comments :-) !!)

With regard to advertising, there are a lot of ways to make money from the web.
The site's good page ranking and link popularity is only usefull if you can make a sale from it.
The easiest way to do that is to affiliate sell for other sites or alternatively to run a commision driven affiliate scheme yourselves.
The former I suspect would be unpopular because you start to get adverts for drain cleaner and toilet paper and celeb magazines, stuff that "everyone" as in the "whole world" needs but is often completely off topic and ends up making your readers think, "Will these guys do anything for a bit of advertising??"
But think about it objectively if your weekly Tesco shop could pay a commision to the IFF would you consider doing your shopping through them??

Running your own affiliate scheme would involve more technical work for "someone", hey I'm honest I know how much work is involved, can I just pay a tenner??
But the commisions you earn from directing traffic to other advertisers sites could very well pay for the site.
Of course the first time a popup adverts for smileys jumps up on my browser will be the last time I use a site so you have to be carefull how far you go.

Some questions that will go over most people's heads, has anyone load tested the actual performance of the site architecture. By that I mean the PHP interpreter and the backend database. On different OS platforms?
It may be a different DB could provide better performance. Is there another forum shell (most seem to be PHP based, but is there a .net platform or something SOAP or JAVA based that provides better performance.)

"Servers" was mentioned, but the DNS only resolves a single address for www.
Is the new server architecture based on seperate DB and Web servers? If so could the DB server run as a load balanced www server during peak times? This would split your web load while keeping data concurrency in a single database. It wouldnt really cost anything except a change to the DNS when things get busy.

I'm not stupid enough to criticise a particular hosting company on a public forum, but was this one used chosen becuase of its network connections and server infrastructure or because of price.
Remember it only takes 10 x 100Mbit full duplex links to flood an ISP's gigabit backbone linking the server to the gateway routers. Not something ISP's like to admit to but it does happen.

What would members tolerate as far as advertising on the site??

[Sean]

wouldnt mind a banner right of the logo on top, it already seems to be on some pages.

[Renton]

One thing it would certainly do is reduce the falsely inflated member numbers and with a bit of luck get rid of the deadwood that are only here for the **** take.

Now that would be worth the cost of subscribing! :lol:

[UKJay74]

I dont mind throwing a little in the pot am gonna have to knock a few customers doors first though :lol: will sort out a donation meself soon:supz:

chrisrobbo with the regards of costs of running a site like this i can give an estimate in my experience but would be possibley way off base with not knowing what the site needs to run as smooth as so to speak

[Coedhirion]

I recon a small amount should be charged for members who sell things via the forum, after all it is a forum, not a free ads. They have to pay to put stuff on ebay. I agree with Sparrow, that the forum should be free for all to post and read. Having said that I personally have no problem paying a fee or donation, I just dont have paypal. It is true that if a fee was introduced it may deter some of the people who come to cause agro, have several user names and sort out who is still a member and who has come and long gone, or just changed their name.
So may be a fee for some areas, plus every one start thinking how we can get more sponsors and advertisers????

Good luck Sparrow!!
I am sure you will work it out....you always have done so far!!
ahhhh...what it is to be popular :lol: :roll:

[Ninja-Jon]

Just a thought what about in the articles for sale category the seller contributes a small fee of 10% of what ever the total value the item was sold for the advertising space ?

[Ninja-Jon]

I recon a small amount should be charged for members who sell things via the forum, after all it is a forum, not a free ads. They have to pay to put stuff on ebay. I agree with Sparrow, that the forum should be free for all to post and read. Having said that I personally have no problem paying a fee or donation, I just dont have paypal. It is true that if a fee was introduced it may deter some of the people who come to cause agro, have several user names and sort out who is still a member and who has come and long gone, or just changed their name.
So may be a fee for some areas, plus every one start thinking how we can get more sponsors and advertisers????

Good luck Sparrow!!
I am sure you will work it out....you always have done so far!!
ahhhh...what it is to be popular :lol: :roll:




LOL sorry m8 was typing my two pennies worth out as u have already posted something similar..

[Kevin Massey]

I have been down the questioning about the forums financies in the past and all made up conclusions that have been off wack, running a site the size this has become, does cost real money, and the revenues at the momment barely keeps the forum going at the size it is now(Hence the problems as of late).

As for making a donation well in my opinion should be up to the member, not to have a fee imposed, I like the merchandise idea and they are being put together, another one is the E-mail addresses...for £5 you contribute and get something in return... another thing that may be worth a try.... (seeing as the donation auction was such a success).... maybe that is a thing to explore?....even to the point of having a live auction as such.... 1-2 times a month auctioning off donated goods?

[Renton]

I'm not stupid enough to criticise a particular hosting company on a public forum, but was this one used chosen becuase of its network connections and server infrastructure or because of price.
Remember it only takes 10 x 100Mbit full duplex links to flood an ISP's gigabit backbone linking the server to the gateway routers. Not something ISP's like to admit to but it does happen.



Indeed it does!

What then is the ideal long term solution? What would it cost, both to set up and maintain? Is there a sufficient prospective subscriber base to generate sufficient revenue over the longer term to realise these objectives?

I'm happy to donate £10 now, yet I doubt my contribution will go very far in securing a long-term solution.

[Renton]

£10 as promised! :D

[UKJay74]

with regards web and database servers the closer tey are the better the transfer rates and the likes are so if your hosting company has a web server at(such and such st ) and the database in a different building on (such and such rod a mile away) it has a drastic affect. where as if you can find a dedicated web host and db(sql) server in the same building withing 100meters of each other and secondary nic's you would have much faster access rates.

the maing thing to do on pricing is check basic hosting packages and remember that there may be anywhere from 5-a couple of hundred sites hosted on these packages the only way to get atrue and solely dedicated speed is dedicated servers you and no one else on it :D sory for those who aint into the tech stuff

also from a previous post have to say i have found most forums with sql dbs run like a bag of C**p on sql2003 onwards :rolleyes: no idea why but mine runs 2000 and is nice and fast

[Renton]

All that is needed now is for anyone who reads this thread to contribute £10 a head. Then we'd soon have the princely sum of... err... more than there was before! :D

[Hells99]

There's my donation !

[Gwaihir]

I for one would be more than happy to take part in a site auction once or twice a month. As previously stated there must be some odd bits of falconry furniture floating about in people homes they dont need anymore. I would also be the first to purchase an IFF t-shirt or baseball cap or whatever (I love my designer gear:lol: ) However I do agree with Sparrow that posts should be free to all. Asking for donations is great but not sure about showing everyone who has, because some may not be able to afford to and would not like to be thought of as tight because they dont have a dollar sign on every post they make!

John M

[Renton]

There's my donation !

Who else is prepared to donate? Don't be shy! :D

[Graham Stuart]

If we all pay a membership fee then we would all have a say in who is moderating the site, only fair if we are contributing, i would be happy to pay as long as i can have a say:yawinkle:

[Storm The Rabbit Slayer]

im new to this been a guest many times try to find out where i can sell a 433 finntracker telemetry set

[Renton]

Asking for donations is great but not sure about showing everyone who has, because some may not be able to afford to and would not like to be thought of as tight because they dont have a dollar sign on every post they make!

John M

Good point. Although, if people want this forum to keep going, preferably without crashing or grinding to a halt on a regular basis, it would be a great help if as many people as possible could make a donation. Maybe Sparrow could modify things to make the dollar sign optional?

[Renton]

im new to this been a guest many times try to find out where i can sell a 433 finntracker telemetry set

Not on this thread m8!

[UKJay74]

Asking for donations is great but not sure about showing everyone who has, because some may not be able to afford to and would not like to be thought of as tight because they dont have a dollar sign on every post they make!

John M
John i have to agree with this
Sparrow anychance of removing the $sign next to names??
i feel this is like saying your tight but your not so to speak when the case may be you just cant afford to or are too young to have a job to do so ?
on some sites i am a member of they have a list of regular donators who are essetially sponsors maybe this could be an idea ??

[UKJay74]

im new to this been a guest many times try to find out where i can sell a 433 finntracker telemetry set
look in the lefthand menu for classifieds then click on everything else hope this helps

[Tr1gger]

I also agree with that UkJay

[Renton]

If we all pay a membership fee then we would all have a say in who is moderating the site, only fair if we are contributing, i would be happy to pay as long as i can have a say:yawinkle:

Good idea. What say the rest of you?

[Dave G]

ive sent some ££ by paypal thanx and keep up the good work cheers dave

[Tr1gger]

Good idea. What say the rest of you?

Again mabey not a full solution as i wouldnt be alowed to pay for membership (mums really paranoid bout paying over internet), i would say giving paying members more privilages such as arcade, thier own area in the forum and a say in moderators and the like might be a good idea, but it should be an option instead of a must

[UKJay74]

Barney Renton before you call for a mass vote as to who says who moderates the site at the end of the day the person that runs it decides :twisted:
like it or not moderators are not and have NEVER been chosen by members of a site but by the owner this isnt the thread for this this one is about donations voluntary donations not compulsary i am sure you will admit just cos you pay a quid into the company lottery sindicate you dont have the decision on numbers called???

BACK TO TOPIC:supz:

[NewBird]

I would be very happy to pay a subscription to keep the forum going. Just the list of vets was worth £10 to me. But, as an accountant I am also prudent. All advert space should be sold, stick a few advert pop ups in or whatever, then calculate your remaining costs and work out a subscription fee. But be transparent ... I would be less happy to be contributing to 'profits' unless that was made very clear.
NewBird

[Sean]

If we all pay a membership fee then we would all have a say in who is moderating the site, only fair if we are contributing, i would be happy to pay as long as i can have a say:yawinkle:
here here
ok Ill pay for membership if we get a say

[Tr1gger]

Barney Renton before you call for a mass vote as to who says who moderates the site at the end of the day the person that runs it decides :twisted:
like it or not moderators are not and have NEVER been chosen by members of a site but by the owner this isnt the thread for this this one is about donations voluntary donations not compulsary i am sure you will admit just cos you pay a quid into the company lottery sindicate you dont have the decision on numbers called???

BACK TO TOPIC:supz:

brilliantly well said :lol:

[Graham Stuart]

Barney Renton before you call for a mass vote as to who says who moderates the site at the end of the day the person that runs it decides :twisted:
like it or not moderators are not and have NEVER been chosen by members of a site but by the owner this isnt the thread for this this one is about donations voluntary donations not compulsary i am sure you will admit just cos you pay a quid into the company lottery sindicate you dont have the decision on numbers called???

BACK TO TOPIC:supz:

Sounds like you dont wanna be sacked from modding to me:yawinkle: well if i dont have any say then i wont be contributing.

[Graham Stuart]

here here
ok Ill pay for membership if we get a say

Im with you mate:yawinkle:

[Harris]

All advert space should be sold, stick a few advert pop ups in

I agree with everythinh you say, but please NO POP UPS, that in my opibion would ruin the site! :(

[Renton]

Barney Renton before you call for a mass vote as to who says who moderates the site at the end of the day the person that runs it decides :twisted:
like it or not moderators are not and have NEVER been chosen by members of a site but by the owner this isnt the thread for this this one is about donations voluntary donations not compulsary i am sure you will admit just cos you pay a quid into the company lottery sindicate you dont have the decision on numbers called???

BACK TO TOPIC:supz:

I have not suggested any form of mass vote. If we want to keep this forum going it seems very probable that some form of regular funding is required. Just a brainstorming session! :D

[Sean]

so lets say we did have a say, what proposals would yous have, i would cut the 80 forums down to 10, its a absolute pain lol

[Tr1gger]

Just a brainstorming session! :D
Stop when it hurts m8 ;)

[NewBird]

I agree with everythinh you say, but please NO POP UPS, that in my opibion would ruin the site! :(
I agree a bit. If I'm honest I have a pop up blocker so don't get bothered by them - my point was to get what you could from advert revenue etc and then ask members to pay the rest.
Regards
NewBird

[Graham Stuart]

Everyone who wanted to be a mod could put in thier name and the top say 10 with the most votes would be picked...easy peasy:yawinkle:

[Harris]

Im with you mate:yawinkle:

I can see where you are comming from m8, but we will end up with the members owning the site, and a committee running it! It would never work, lets face it this site is a business, and like every other business it has to make a profit for its owner it goes belly up! however everybusiness I know of charges for their products or services. and just because you pay for their services or products doesn't give you seat in the boardroom. This is after all a free public service forum, with probably the largest source of falconry experience on the planet! most people are happy to pay £15.99 for a book, but lets face it how much is an entire library of up to the minute information worth to you!! how many people would have lost a £400 HH etc. if they had not had the benefit of the wisdom of the users on this site? How many good freindships have been forged here? We don't own the site, but by god we benefit from it! So I dont think we should be saying "we will pay if we get a say in how it run"

Well thats my say, excuse me now while I climb down off my soap box! lol ;)

[UKJay74]

I have not suggested any form of mass vote. If we want to keep this forum going it seems very probable that some form of regular funding is required. Just a brainstorming session! :D
not having a go mate was just saying is all i mean if people want a say in how things are run as a business then maybe it should run on a shares system?? what say you ??

also with regards the last blow up regards moderators it has been decided that selections would go to a public vote before appointment:)

[Dave G]

I can see where you are comming from m8, but we will end up with the members owning the site, and a committee running it! It would never work, lets face it this site is a business, and like every other business it has to make a profit for its owner it goes belly up! however everybusiness I know of charges for their products or services. and just because you pay for their services or products doesn't give you seat in the boardroom. This is after all a free public service forum, with probably the largest source of falconry experience on the planet! most people are happy to pay £15.99 for a book, but lets face it how much is an entire library of up to the minute information worth to you!! how many people would have lost a £400 HH etc. if they had not had the benefit of the wisdom of the users on this site? How many good freindships have been forged here? We don't own the site, but by god we benefit from it! So I dont think we should be saying "we will pay if we get a say in how it run"

have to agree with u mate its full of good advise for free keep it running :supz:

[Renton]

I agree a bit. If I'm honest I have a pop up blocker so don't get bothered by them - my point was to get what you could from advert revenue etc and then ask members to pay the rest.
Regards
NewBird

A subscription is the easiest route. Although, as I mentioned in an earlier post, is there a sufficient prospective subscriber base to generate sufficient revenue to keep this site going? How many members of this forum are prepared to pay?
How many forum members post on a regular basis?

[Graham Stuart]

also with regards the last blow up regards moderators it has been decided that selections would go to a public vote before appointment:)


Does that include the present Moderators, can we vote who we want rid off:yawinkle:


only joking, ive already pm'd them asking for thier resignation:lol:

[UKJay74]

AGAIN can we kep this on topic it was regards donations Voluntary donations at that not who runs or picks who mods the site if this is the issue another thread Please not this one :twisted: its driving me mad answering questions lol

[UKJay74]

Does that include the present Moderators, can we vote who we want rid off:yawinkle:


only joking, ive already pm'd them asking for thier resignation:lol:

nope this is for future consideration mate not present mods :-P

[Renton]

not having a go mate was just saying is all i mean if people want a say in how things are run as a business then maybe it should run on a shares system?? what say you ??



A very interesting idea. But how would it work? 'I've got more shares than you, so I must know more/delete your posts etc etc!'

[Stewigan]

I have been down the questioning about the forums financies in the past and all made up conclusions that have been off wack, running a site the size this has become, does cost real money, and the revenues at the momment barely keeps the forum going at the size it is now(Hence the problems as of late).

As for making a donation well in my opinion should be up to the member, not to have a fee imposed, I like the merchandise idea and they are being put together, another one is the E-mail addresses...for £5 you contribute and get something in return... another thing that may be worth a try.... (seeing as the donation auction was such a success).... maybe that is a thing to explore?....even to the point of having a live auction as such.... 1-2 times a month auctioning off donated goods?

so what happened to your forum mass? is it still going or did the finances run out and thats why your on here now! also ive no problem with paying the money but wouldnt want certain mods in charge if i was paying for the upkeep and still stood a chance of being kicked off the next post i made and the certain mods didnt like it. also the sponsors that are now mods should pay more for the extra publicity they get by being mods and sponsors and whoever is a business related to falconry and can benefit and there is a few now isnt there?

[Renton]

AGAIN can we kep this on topic it was regards donations Voluntary donations at that not who runs or picks who mods the site if this is the issue another thread Please not this one :twisted: its driving me mad answering questions lol

Thank you. More donations please!

[Tr1gger]

also ive no problem with paying the money but wouldnt want certain mods in charge if i was paying for the upkeep and still stood a chance of being kicked off the next post i made and the certain mods didnt like it.

thats like saying criminals shouldnt go to jail if they pay taxes. Just because YOU or sombody else doesnt like sombody being a mod doesnt mean you or they should chose to shunt them off

[UKJay74]

DONATIONS ARE VOLUNTARY THEY ARE NOT COMPULSARY

come on peeps surely this is understood by all

you want to donate go on , you dont then dont .
donating at the moment gives you no extra say in whos what on the site or the likes but who knows for the future

for those thinking donating will get you a say orget it what donating gets you is one of the most visited and informed forums for falconry out the on the net wih 2000+ members here to share experiences

come on guys quit the i want a different mod ****:twisted:

[Renton]

One hell of a lot of differing opinions; precious few donations lately.

[Tr1gger]

come on guys quit the i want a different mod ****:twisted:


:lol: is that fear i can smell Jay?

seriously though i agree with u, quit the chosing the mod **** its a silly idea that would complicate maters to stupid levels

[Harris]

One hell of a lot of differing opinions; precious few donations lately.

have already donated otherwise I wouldn't be postin on this thread! :wink:

[Stewigan]

i personally dont see why people should donate to the upkeep, what happens when it goes the other way and a profits made will the profits be split between all members? i think the mods who advertise and sponsors should foot the bill like terry advertising his ai courses does he pay for advertising or just invite paul down for a free place if so what way does that benefit the running of the site.

[Renton]

you want to donate go on , you dont then dont .
donating at the moment gives you no extra say in whos what on the site or the likes but who knows for the future

for those thinking donating will get you a say orget it what donating gets you is one of the most visited and informed forums for falconry out the on the net wih 2000+ members here to share experiences



I was lambasted recently for having a rant/ posting in the wrong place etc etc. I'm still here and have made a donation to keep this site going. Put up or shut up!

[UKJay74]

:lol: is that fear i can smell Jay?

seriously though i agree with u, quit the chosing the mod **** its a silly idea that would complicate maters to stupid levels
fear no i have more bating wolves after me in the past on a busier site i stayed as i did my job i dont show fear if i can help it
last time i did it bloody hurt lol

[Harris]

i personally dont see why people should donate to the upkeep, what happens when it goes the other way and a profits made will the profits be split between all members? i think the mods who advertise and sponsors should foot the bill like terry advertising his ai courses does he pay for advertising or just invite paul down for a free place if so what way does that benefit the running of the site.

When you play the lottery, do you demand a share of the winnings!!

for gods sake the information here is invaluable! why all this whinging about having a say, I just dont get it, If you want to donate, do, if you dont, dont! Simple:twisted:

[Renton]

When you play the lottery, do you demand a share of the winnings!!

for gods sake the information here is invaluable! why all this whinging about having a say, I just dont get it, If you want to donate, do, if you dont, dont! Simple:twisted:

I concur!

[NewBird]

A subscription is the easiest route. Although, as I mentioned in an earlier post, is there a sufficient prospective subscriber base to generate sufficient revenue to keep this site going? How many members of this forum are prepared to pay?
How many forum members post on a regular basis?
I can't answer that as I'm not privy to that info. But I also believe in putting my money where my mouth is, hence the donation. I think my request for vet names even got a response from a vet, and while I would never try to get free advice from a professional I am for ever grateful for the support. Easily worth £10 or so.
However, I have just burnt dinner while on this site .. so it is no longer 'vet needed' but 'divorce lawyer needed' !
Regards
NewBird

[UKJay74]

i personally dont see why people should donate to the upkeep, what happens when it goes the other way and a profits made will the profits be split between all members? i think the mods who advertise and sponsors should foot the bill like terry advertising his ai courses does he pay for advertising or just invite paul down for a free place if so what way does that benefit the running of the site.
Stewigan Terry is a sponsor o the site and pas for the privaledge of advertising on here so why make assumptions terry inviting paul means he gets it free??

[Renton]

However, I have just burnt dinner while on this site .. so it is no longer 'vet needed' but 'divorce lawyer needed' !

Sorry, we can't help you with that one! :lol:

[Harris]

who's moddin this thread as its gettin off topic!

[Stewigan]

When you play the lottery, do you demand a share of the winnings!!

for gods sake the information here is invaluable! why all this whinging about having a say, I just dont get it, If you want to donate, do, if you dont, dont! Simple:twisted:

right harris listen where in my post that you decided to quote so quickly did i question who had a say? get your facts right. my point is about sponsors and mods who advertise or gain revenue through there status so keep your nose out unless it involves you.

thankyou for your time.

[UKJay74]

who's moddin this thread as its gettin off topic!
i am watching this thread and if it doesnt head back on topic soon it will be closed alas till 5 mins ago i was the only mod online so i got the job

BACK ON THREAD OR ITS CLOSED

[Stewigan]

i am watching this thread and if it doesnt head back on topic soon it will be closed alas till 5 mins ago i was the only mod online so i got the job

BACK ON THREAD OR ITS CLOSED

i personally think my post was on thread or didnt you like what was posted?

[Harris]

right harris listen where in my post that you decided to quote so quickly did i question who had a say? get your facts right. my point is about sponsors and mods who advertise or gain revenue through there status so keep your nose out unless it involves you.

thankyou for your time.

It was just you line Quote "i personally dont see why people should donate to the upkeep" its nothing personal

[NewBird]

i am watching this thread and if it doesnt head back on topic soon it will be closed alas till 5 mins ago i was the only mod online so i got the job

BACK ON THREAD OR ITS CLOSED
Oh, and I have just donated to your cause. What else is a girl to do while she is waiting for her bird to produce a mute sample for the vet ????
Regards
NewBird

[NewBird]

Sorry, we can't help you with that one! :lol:
I bet someone on here could !
NewBird

[Renton]

Oh, and I have just donated to your cause. What else is a girl to do while she is waiting for her bird to produce a mute sample for the vet ????
Regards
NewBird

Make another donation to the forum unkeep? :lol: :lol: :lol:

[UKJay74]

stewigan i have many other things dto do rather than sit hear babysitting a bunch of kids that dont think things are fair :twisted:
i dont like the mods
i dont like this thread
i dont like this person
FFS people grow up this is a forum run by a sole person who asks another to do the grunt work
they pay serious bucks out to keep this forum up and running and only ask for voluntary donations nothing compulsary if you wish to decide who is admin/mod then starty a forum up get the traffic through hawkmaster has over the period this site has been running
sorry i have more on my mind right now than argueing with mindless morons so this thread is CLOSED

[Renton]

How much was raised in donations?

[Tr1gger]

Sry but i do not think that this is finished

if ppl can get on topic this still needs to be discussed. I for one (and im sure there are many more) do not want to see this forum close due to lack of funds.

Suggestions to how we can keep this site online only please. As we cant afford to go off topic and hav these threads deleted. This matter needs sorted properly

[UKJay74]

Sry but i do not think that this is finished

if ppl can get on topic this still needs to be discussed. I for one (and im sure there are many more) do not want to see this forum close due to lack of funds.

Suggestions to how we can keep this site online only please. As we cant afford to go off topic and hav these threads deleted. This matter needs sorted properly
your right it ist finished but wil stay on topic

sorry tr1gger but people need to stay on the topic added not go on a tangent

[Tr1gger]

that wat im saying, these threads shouldnt need to be closed as this is a serious matter.

[Renton]

I had just started a thread on the same matter!

[Tr1gger]

i thought sombody would :lol:

[Renton]

i thought sombody would :lol:

:rolleyes:

[Hawkmaster]

Thread re-open due to the other thread stating up that have now been merged with this original one, as long as everyone keeps on topic, if you have forgotten what it was about then just read the first post AGAIN please!

I will start commenting from the beginning as there is so much to say!:lol:

[UKJay74]

that wat im saying, these threads shouldnt need to be closed as this is a serious matter.
i agree but people need to think before posting this is about donations not who gets a decision on how a site is run and the likes so if it stays that way cool all the bloody better i dont want to sit here modding all night i have a living to earn to

[Hawkmaster]

totally agree with everyone paying a tenner terry and as for the new members let them have a weeks free trial and after the week they like what they see pay the membership fee

It was decided from the time this site was conceived that there will NEVER be a membership charge, as that will exclude certain people and just plan and simple turn others away from good info:!:

[MickeyDredd]

What are the running costs of the site, if they can be easily quantified?

[Harris]

Ok well if we recap, we have the following suggestions.

1. voluntary donations
2. Auctions
3. Cheaper Hosting etc.
4. Tshirts etc.
5. More advertising/Sponsorship

anyone got number 6?

if we keep it like this it will stay on topic!

[Hawkmaster]

surely they get good money from site sponsers, what about these t shirts and hats, maybe they could bring in some money. but no way will i be taxed for going on a forum lol.

Forum clothing and other wares will be sold soon and it all once again takes money time and loads of work.

But watch this space!:wink:

[Hawkmaster]

Terry, What about approaching more breeders and other falconry related businesses for advertising space and sponsorship, there must be hundreds out there moaning about their sales! I don't think anyone will mind a few adverts dotted around the site, as long as you don't use popups!! a simple listings page of these would be a start, with bigger and more promenantly placed adverts costing more. What about Honeybrook for example? also there are loads of BOP centers around the country. etc etc. :idea:

All in the pipeline, it just takes WORK! Up until recently we had all the chores to do here with a VERY small group o people and now that the site is running better as far as behaviour is concerned we can put that in to action:cool:

[Fires59]

the original question was how could we raise money to keep the site going not to charge membership, if you dont want to donate dont,there not asking you to its just a few people have been made aware of the situation, and have decided to donate (no matter what amount)

[Harris]

Forum clothing and other wares will be sold soon and it all once again takes money time and loads of work.

But watch this space!:wink:

Whats the chance of gettin them available b4 the falconry fair? as thats why most people wil buy them, so they can identify other users at the fair.

[Kentish Falconry]

i personally dont see why people should donate to the upkeep, what happens when it goes the other way and a profits made will the profits be split between all members? i think the mods who advertise and sponsors should foot the bill like terry advertising his ai courses does he pay for advertising or just invite paul down for a free place if so what way does that benefit the running of the site.

Stewigan.......I pay to advertise on this Forum as a Sponsor do you think it is free? I also gave a lot of money as donations to the Andean Condor thread, and so did Hacker who is another sponsor, in my oppinion a worthwile cause. What did you donate?
I ran an AI course for the benifit of members who wanted to learn about AI. If I was asked to run a course like that as a Commercial job then I would have charged 4 times the ammount I did. All I covered was the extra work it created for me and my staff and I think that was more than fair. No one got a free place on the course they all paid.
When I found out about the Forum being in the financial position it is in I offered a large sum of money to bail it out, but Sparrow wouldn't let me put in that sort of money so I will just make a donation like I hope some you other Forum Users do as well.
You appear to be a typical user take what you can from the Forum and give nothing back or have I missed something? I try to give sound advice to Forum members on subjects that I know about, I also try to give back to the Forum when I can but that is obviously not good enough for you is it?
Sorry M8 your comments really Pi** me off
Terry

[Hawkmaster]

What about haing a auction night on here once a month and charge the person a nominal amout for the advertisment or the sale say 5-10% of the sale price Good way of people getting rid of surplus stock and helping others who maybe cant pay full price for something.

I think this is a good idea and we will look in to it?

[Fires59]

Stewigan.......I pay to advertise on this Forum as a Sponsor do you think it is free? I also gave a lot of money as donations to the Andean Condor thread, and so did Hacker who is another sponsor, in my oppinion a worthwile cause. What did you donate?
I ran an AI course for the benifit of members who wanted to learn about AI. If I was asked to run a course like that as a Commercial job then I would have charged 4 times the ammount I did. All I covered was the extra work it created for me and my staff and I think that was more than fair. No one got a free place on the course they all paid.
When I found out about the Forum being in the financial position it is in I offered a large sum of money to bail it out, but Sparrow wouldn't let me put in that sort of money so I will just make a donation like I hope some you other Forum Users do as well.
You appear to be a typical user take what you can from the Forum and give nothing back or have I missed something? I try to give sound advice to Forum members on subjects that I know about, I also try to give back to the Forum when I can but that is obviously not good enough for you is it?
Sorry M8 your comments really Pi** me off
Terry



Terry wouldnt take it personaly most people know the situation, always will get the odd few having a go and you cant help some people and i for 1 thankyou for the advice you have given me

[MickeyDredd]

Whats the chance of gettin them available b4 the falconry fair? as thats why most people wil buy them, so they can identify other users at the fair.

And throw rotten fruit at them :lol: :lol:

[Hawkmaster]

I don't have a problem with a nominated amout being paid for to keep ANY forum running if it is required.
However, i fail to understand why anyone would run one that puts them in debt, especialy Sparrow who has no interest in falconry whatsoever.
True and that unfortunately falls on me not being able to carry on paying Sparrow what he is worth. He should get more money from me to do what he does and that is why he is out of pocket! BUT he believes it will get better:heart:

I also think its fair to say that the majority of "regular" members would have a problem paying to keep it running whilst other view for free. It would in my opinion have to be done as a subscription and i am sure that those who ARE regulars would have no problem with a nominal yearly fee. New members would be allowed limited access on a trial basis.I do agree with you in a way. So what about, member donate if they want and after that member gets to a certain level of contributing on the site he or she gets to have more priviledges and can see more sections and have everything the site has to offer?

One thing it would certainly do is reduce the falsely inflated member numbers and with a bit of luck get rid of the deadwood that are only here for the **** take.The first problem I have with the above quote is "falsely inflated" either revise the way you put that or prove your facts? The numbers we have are people that join, not ones we make up!

The second is the deadwood, which I agree I would like them to see them participate too all the time, but they are mostly to scared because of the big mouthed members taking the **** out of them! BUT once again to be fair that is starting to get better and members are being a lot more helpful now and thinking before typing, I personally think it is thanks to the NEW MOD team!:supz:

[Fires59]

Agree with the last comment there are alot of people on here that are maybe scared to post in case they get ripped to shreds as still goes on and alot, they just watch the forumns(i was 1 myself spent alot of time looking at the forumn but failing to reply)

[Sparrow Hawker]

What are the running costs of the site, if they can be easily quantified?

Mickey poses a very valid question, the forums like a club, just a suggestion but what do people think about the forum making the accounts open for members to view? Personally I think it make a lot of sence, what's being made, the cost per annum and where the money is going etc.

It certainly would save a lot of hassle with people questioning where the money is going and how much the sites running costs are etc.

All The Best,

SH

[Harris]

Agree with the last comment there are alot of people on here that are maybe sacred to post in case they get ripped to shreds as still goes on and alot just watch the forumn(i was 1 myself spent alot of time looking at the forumn but failing to reply)

This depends on the individual! I am fairly new, but have dived right in and yes I have had a few people pick a fight! but believe me they paid lol, just ask Johnny Abbott!

Anyway, back on track, what other suggestions can we come up with to raise funds?

What abbout Honeybank? do they sponsor the site, could be a good place to start plus the other hundreds of falconry businesses out there moaning about sales! has anyone approached these?

[Stewigan]

Stewigan.......I pay to advertise on this Forum as a Sponsor do you think it is free? I also gave a lot of money as donations to the Andean Condor thread, and so did Hacker who is another sponsor, in my oppinion a worthwile cause. What did you donate?
I ran an AI course for the benifit of members who wanted to learn about AI. If I was asked to run a course like that as a Commercial job then I would have charged 4 times the ammount I did. All I covered was the extra work it created for me and my staff and I think that was more than fair. No one got a free place on the course they all paid.
When I found out about the Forum being in the financial position it is in I offered a large sum of money to bail it out, but Sparrow wouldn't let me put in that sort of money so I will just make a donation like I hope some you other Forum Users do as well.
You appear to be a typical user take what you can from the Forum and give nothing back or have I missed something? I try to give sound advice to Forum members on subjects that I know about, I also try to give back to the Forum when I can but that is obviously not good enough for you is it?
Sorry M8 your comments really Pi** me off
Terry
terry ill be honest i havent donated anything to the forum and i wont be doing for a long while, ive been self employed for years but have recently gone it alone rather than workin for other people so money is tight so therefore i am tight. its not a matter of how much you donate by the way. you could donate a thousand pound but means nothing if youve got millions. obviously the lack of mine donation and drain on your information is a bone of contention so make a note i hereby resign and thats it bye bye. oh and p.s terry i dont give a **** if my comments ****ed you

[Zam]

I'm in. A tenner winging it's way to Sparrow. I am a member of Nikonians.org (a forum for Nikon photographers).

If I just want to read posts and reply - it is free. However, if I want to post my own images on the forum (fairly important for a photography forum!!) it costs $25 per year. I am more than happy to pay that.

You can get a lot out of a forum - and there's no such thing as a free lunch (not if it's worth having:supz: )

[Hawkmaster]

i think paying 2 use the IFF is agreat idea as u could never get the information like u can on here in books and books cost a lot more than a tenner and everyone birds are trained diffrent and there real life situations not something that happened years ago also advertising on here is second too none ive seen birds for weeks on sale on other forums and places .:supz: 5 mins on here and be for u can say i wonder how much that is its sold so what ever the out come im happy

I personally like the fact that the adverts are free and it does bring people here. The rules are that if you make a living from falconry or your products you need to pay to advertise on the site.

Would people think paying to advertise say £6 on here would be better than say the IBR? Would you use it? Or Both Sites?

[FlameHairedFalconer]

Sorry - I've had a hell of a week and its only wednesday - I cant be bothered to read the whole thread....where, what and how much is a donation etc? Can someone drop me a PM and give me the gen please?

FHF

[UKJay74]

i tell you what as an independat web designer how would it be if i supplied you the prices on what it would cost to run a site like this???

I would do it purely as a techy not a mod and will give the contat adetails and the likes to all including the supplier ???
How does that sound?

[Hawkmaster]

Just a thought what about in the articles for sale category the seller contributes a small fee of 10% of what ever the total value the item was sold for the advertising space ?
This would be an EXCELLENT idea!:supz:
Would members be interested in doing this?

[Hawkmaster]

I would agree with the annual subcription!

But i have no idea what a site like this would cost to upkeep/run and before donating an amount i would like to know some ball park figures of what losses the forum is expected to make. This way then we know how much is needed.

I don't mean to sound funny as i am willing to pay but i would appreciate knowing the costs!

all the best

I am quite willing to show you the figures and outgoings mate, but feel it is a waste of time as you will then go oh dear that is bad . . . Call me if you are interested 07790-942348 Paul

[Harris]

Sorry - I've had a hell of a week and its only wednesday - I cant be bothered to read the whole thread....where, what and how much is a donation etc? Can someone drop me a PM and give me the gen please?

FHF


LOL, Button on homepage bootom right (Paypal) donate what ever you want

[Hawkmaster]

like chris said, what excatly are the costs? if all the members are charged 10 quid then that could lead to 20,000 quid or more. what about taking of the image attachments, instead people use another source such as photobucket. and what about all the free froms you see on the web, why not use those.

Yes sure Sean!:lol:
Since this site had been going not a penny was donated and up until this thread was started there were 13 people that dug in their pockets.

[Pitbull]

pay per post....

£5 gives you say 500 posts
£10 gives 1000 posts.

For a member who is only on now and again £10 could seem alot for what they may think not alot

[Harris]

This would be an EXCELLENT idea!:supz:
Would members be interested in doing this?

Yes I would!! but how would you get the money in? I guess you would be relying on honesty

[Hawkmaster]

here here
ok Ill pay for membership if we get a say
What would you want a say in Sean?
Do you have as much say as me if you put in a tenner and I have been keeping the site afloat for almost 2 years?

[Hawkmaster]

When you play the lottery, do you demand a share of the winnings!!

for gods sake the information here is invaluable! why all this whinging about having a say, I just dont get it, If you want to donate, do, if you dont, dont! Simple:twisted:

Harris you have given me a good idea?
What about we run a lottery on here?
Each week we have 49 people pay a pound and then when the lottery Bonus ball is chosen that person wins say £40 and the rest goes to keep the site maintained?

[Harris]

How about takin advance orders for the merchandise, if you can get a few samples, then set a deadline for advance orders, at a slightly reduced rate, at least you will then have an idea how many you need to order, plus you could get everyone to pay a deposit. :idea:

[Hawkmaster]

Stewigan Terry is a sponsor o the site and pas for the privaledge of advertising on here so why make assumptions terry inviting paul means he gets it free??:rolleyes: Are you JOKING his wife almost charged me double for coming late:lol:

[Hawkmaster]

Ok well if we recap, we have the following suggestions.

1. voluntary donations
2. Auctions
3. Cheaper Hosting etc.
4. Tshirts etc.
5. More advertising/Sponsorship

anyone got number 6?

if we keep it like this it will stay on topic!
What about the lottery weekly idea?

[Harris]

Harris you have given me a good idea?
What about we run a lottery on here?
Each week we have 49 people pay a pound and then when the lottery Bonus ball is chosen that person wins say £40 and the rest goes to keep the site maintained?

Cracking idea! Count me in, but what if more than 40 people want in, you could do it on a percentage basis, ie if 80 people cough up, then there is a bigger win, some weeks only 20 may want in, so the pot is smaller :idea:

[Hawkmaster]

Whats the chance of gettin them available b4 the falconry fair? as thats why most people wil buy them, so they can identify other users at the fair.

I can order them tomorrow!

[Harris]

I can order them tomorrow!

Personally I would take deposits with a deadline, as you know what people are like, they may not cough up, and your stuck with a load of gear :idea:

[Pitbull]

pay per post....

£5 gives you say 500 posts
£10 gives 1000 posts.

For a member who is only on now and again £10 could seem alot for what they may think not alot


It might also stop the pointless posts. ie ********

[FlameHairedFalconer]

LOL, Button on homepage bootom right (Paypal) donate what ever you want

Thanks - couldnt see the thing for looking :rolleyes:

FHF

[Harris]

What about the lottery weekly idea?


I think it is a good idea, but is limited by virtue of the fact that it can only accomodate 49 people! If we can expand on this somehow, I think it would work!

[Hawkmaster]

Mickey poses a very valid question, the forums like a club, just a suggestion but what do people think about the forum making the accounts open for members to view? Personally I think it make a lot of sence, what's being made, the cost per annum and where the money is going etc.

It certainly would save a lot of hassle with people questioning where the money is going and how much the sites running costs are etc.

All The Best,

SHThis is easy guys, now don't blink . . .

Domain name
Hosting
SparrowAfter stuff is paid the poor man works his A55 OFF for about £23 a month!

To top it off we need more speed power and everybody thinks we are coining it BIG time!:-P

[Hawkmaster]

What abbout Honeybank? do they sponsor the site, could be a good place to start plus the other hundreds of falconry businesses out there moaning about sales! has anyone approached these?

If you mean Honeybrook, yes they are going to sponsor the site, but unfortunately my fellow counrtyman is very poorly at the minute and do not want to be pushing them! Banner is all done and ready to roll!

[Hawkmaster]

Yes I would!! but how would you get the money in? I guess you would be relying on honesty

Money can be paid by Paypal or Nochex, cash or cheque.
Folks can pay each week or in advance.
One of the lotto can be chosen, say the MAIN ONE?
Winner gets sent a cheque or Paypal payment each week!Is this worthy of a new thread?

[Harris]

If you mean Honeybrook, yes they are going to sponsor the site, but unfortunately my fellow counrtyman is very poorly at the minute and do not want to be pushing them! Banner is all done and ready to roll!


Yes Sorry Honeybrook! What about the Falconry Fair organisers, I know they get free advertising on this site, ie by word of mouth, but a decent advert will cure all the posts asking when and where it is etc. incidently their website and all th eother BASC sites have been down all day.

[Renton]

As I have mentioned before on this thread. What are the on-going costs to keep this forum going, without it falling over or crashing on a regular basis? A ballpark figure would be appreciated.

[Harris]

Money can be paid by Paypal or Nochex, cash or cheque.
Folks can pay each week or in advance.
One of the lotto can be chosen, say the MAIN ONE?
Winner gets sent a cheque or Paypal payment each week!Is this worthy of a new thread?

yes but need to get around the limit of 49 people in my opinion, am not up on the lottery, but how many of the games have a bonus ball, you could use more than one game if you know what I mean :idea:

[Hawkmaster]

Yes Sorry Honeybrook! What about the Falconry Fair organisers, I know they get free advertising on this site, ie by word of mouth, but a decent advert will cure all the posts asking when and where it is etc. incidently their website and all th eother BASC sites have been down all day.We currently have been talking to them for some time now and have agreed on a deal but there is no money in it this year, but a banner exchange!

[Hawkmaster]

As I have mentioned before on this thread. What are the on-going costs to keep this forum going, without it falling over or crashing on a regular basis? A ballpark figure would be appreciated.
Difficult to say at even a £40,000 inject could still be giving us hassles with the amount of people at the minute!

[Hawkmaster]

yes but need to get around the limit of 49 people in my opinion, am not up on the lottery, but how many of the games have a bonus ball, you could use more than one game if you know what I mean :idea:Not necessary I think if we stick to one and make that work it will be a miracle!

[Harris]

We currently have been talking to them for some time now and have agreed on a deal but there is no money in it this year, but a banner exchange!

Trouble is with them, they have very little, (if any) competition and as most people on this site use them anyway, I doubt they have too much to gain! I will give that one some thought! I am sure there is a way of makin it beneficial for them

[Ninja-Jon]

Just a suggestion what about for all the quarry we catch throughout the hunting season we donate something like 50p per rabbit caught to the forum. Lets say 400 forum members catch in total between them 1000 rabbits x that by the sum of 50p = £500.00 same again in Pheasant another £500.00 Nice total of £1,000.This is just a suggestion the more quarry that is caught the more revenue it generates towards the forum

[Biarmicus]

Hi Guy's, as anyone who was on line yesterday afternoon and evening will know by now the Forum almost crashed again and slowed down to almost a standstill.
The reason for this is the ammount of use the Server or in our case Servers are getting. We had a new Record of user numbers again yesterday at 21.58 hrs there were 142 people using the Forum. The Forum is getting bigger and bigger by the day and the new servers just can't cope with this ammount of traffic.
Unfortunatley there appears to be little we can do about it at the moment, the costs involved in getting another server is way beyond the ammount of revenue beeing generated by the Forum.
So we have a few choices of how to resolve the situation

we can put up with the crashing and hang ups on the Forum

We can start to charge for Classified Adverts like the IBR Site. I don't think this should effect Members advertising one bird but Breeders like myself should pay for the adverts and not just put them on the Forum For Sale section. If we wanted to advertise with Cage & Aviary Birds the cost would be £25 plus a week for the advert or on the IBR site £10 per advert.

Or we can all say put a £10 note each into the Forum to help to try and resolve the Forum issues of cash flow via PayPal.

Or we can just run the Forum untill it finally crashes and is forced to close down, so if we want to save the Forum something must be done now before it is too late. I know many of you will just say so what we can go elsewhere but then the other sites will start to get the same problems. A lot of work and money has gone into this Forum to make it work better for you the Members, so the time has come to try and help out our Community.

We also need to find more Sponsors for the site as it has been running at a loss since it started and Paul (Hawkmaster) and Sparrow are both getting into debt keeping the Forum running in the hope that matters will resolve themselved in the longrun but it is not working out for them.

If any one has any bright ideas of how we can resolve this then please put your ideas forward. We have to act now before it is too late.

Terry

Hello,

I have talked with many great people that are members on this forum and have been helped in many ways. I have benefited immensely from the information. I have also received help with my Raptor Biomedicine studies from people eager to help me.

I would like to donate to the IFF website, except we don’t use credit cards or Paypal so a donation would have to be made by money order from Canada. Is there an address where IFF donations can be sent by mail?

Thanks,

Brittney

[Kentish Falconry]

Hello,

I have talked with many great people that are members on this forum and have been helped in many ways. I have benefited immensely from the information. I have also received help with my Raptor Biomedicine studies from people eager to help me.

I would like to donate to the IFF website, except we don’t use credit cards or Paypal so a donation would have to be made by money order from Canada. Is there an address where IFF donations can be sent by mail?

Thanks,

Brittney

Hi Brittney.......... How are you?
Send what you can to:

K Hill
17 Shrewsbury Ave
Torquay
Devon
UK
TQ2 8AE
ATB
Terry:supz:

[HawkMan]

I said from the start you would have to charge a fee to use the site ???
I for 1 would pay an annual fee to use it as a lot have said you gain more from listening to a wide range of people then any book could ever give you .
I think the lotto stuff is a load of rubbish as we cant see which ball comes out ?????
I think a lot of people have to learn to help begginers instead of slating them.
We all havent had the chance to be a falconer from an early age ????????
The fee should include private messages and chat room etc,to none members this should,nt be allowed ???????? (as someone stated a few pages back ).
I applaud paul and sparrow for the hard work they have put in to making the forum what it is and need everyones help to keep it going .
I for 1 would have been lost without the help this forum has given me as i think a lot of falconers think they are in the magic circle and only the elite can join .
Thanks
Hm

[MickeyDredd]

I said from the start you would have to charge a fee to use the site ???
I for 1 would pay an annual fee to use it as a lot have said you gain more from listening to a wide range of people then any book could ever give you .


I for one would pay to have you banned from the site :lol: :lol:

[Dave Johnson]

Hi all
Speaking for myself,I would donate a tenner to keep this forum going.I have made some good contacts and learnt new things {and still am}without this forum I wouldn't of done so.Dave

[Kentish Falconry]

I said from the start you would have to charge a fee to use the site ???
I for 1 would pay an annual fee to use it as a lot have said you gain more from listening to a wide range of people then any book could ever give you .
I think the lotto stuff is a load of rubbish as we cant see which ball comes out ?????
I think a lot of people have to learn to help begginers instead of slating them.
We all havent had the chance to be a falconer from an early age ????????
The fee should include private messages and chat room etc,to none members this should,nt be allowed ???????? (as someone stated a few pages back ).
I applaud paul and sparrow for the hard work they have put in to making the forum what it is and need everyones help to keep it going .
I for 1 would have been lost without the help this forum has given me as i think a lot of falconers think they are in the magic circle and only the elite can join .
Thanks
Hm

Hi Hm No one is saying you have to pay a fee, if you can afford it then give what you feel comfortable to give, if you can't afford it then it is not a problem.
Regarding the Lottery number I think Paul had it in his mind to use the Bonus Ball number from the national lottery then there could be no cheating or fixing the Lotto but we will have to wait and see what comes of it
ATB
Terry:supz:

[Kentish Falconry]

I for one would pay to have you banned from the site :lol: :lol:

How Much????:lol: :lol:

[HawkMan]

And ill pay for something for you aswell ,not talking getting band aswell ya muppet ????

[HawkMan]

Im getting slated again can someone speak to this man about having me banned i think ive put alot into building this forum up ???????lol
Wait till i buy the lot you silly little man .
I cant believe your critisising on the day of GOD .
HM

[Kentish Falconry]

And ill pay for something for you aswell ,not talking getting band aswell ya muppet ????

Lol I am sure if you offer enough to Hawkmaster he will ban us all and you can talk to yourself M8 :lol: :lol:
Have fun and enjoy the Forum
Terry:supz:

[HawkMan]

Lol I am sure if you offer enough to Hawkmaster he will ban us all and you can talk to yourself M8 :lol: :lol:
Have fun and enjoy the Forum
Terry:supz:
I may well do this and call it (The Magic circle of falconry) only the elite can join ,pmsl
You for 1 would not be eligable ,lol
I have church in half an hour ,BYE

[Nemesis]

I tried to make it clear that we would not expect someone to pay for site use if they couldn't afford it and yes some Members are out of work and struggleing to live or too young to work we have to make allowances for them
This is not a charge you have to pay if you don't want to but every little helps some can afford to pay more others less and some none at all.
The T Shirt idea was a great one but there is very lttle profit in them, to get a decent discount you have to buy in bulk and the Forum does not have the funds to buy this way so we have to keep buying in small numbers for now.
Terry
Hi I am at present out of work but would still give some cash to help,I like the forum and if it help,s it would be worth it , just thought a raffel once a month with a donated prize say from one of the sponcers or some thing that some one no longer uses . if you put up adress I will send some cash dont have p pal hope this helps /dave::D

[Kentish Falconry]

Hi I am at present out of work but would still give some cash to help,I like the forum and if it help,s it would be worth it , just thought a raffel once a month with a donated prize say from one of the sponcers or some thing that some one no longer uses . if you put up adress I will send some cash dont have p pal hope this helps /dave::D


Thank you for the offer here is the address for donations please make Cheque or Postal Order out to K Hill
We all appreciate your offer but please don't give more than you can afford Home & Family must come first :)


K Hill
17 Shrewsbury Ave
Torquay
Devon
UK
TQ2 8AE


ATB
Terry:supz:

[MickeyDredd]

Im getting slated again can someone speak to this man about having me banned i think ive put alot into building this forum up ???????lol
Wait till i buy the lot you silly little man .
I cant believe your critisising on the day of GOD .
HM

Shouldnt your new-found Christianity allow you to forgive me?

I take it you arent allowed a sense of humour on the day of God either then :roll:

Perhaps you should ask your God what smilies signify :roll:

Silly little man, indeed. You are a funny guy Johnny!

[MickeyDredd]

And ill pay for something for you aswell ,not talking getting band aswell ya muppet ????

hahahahahahahahahahahaha. Funny, funny man!

[MickeyDredd]

Im getting slated again can someone speak to this man about having me banned i think ive put alot into building this forum up ???????lol
Wait till i buy the lot you silly little man .
I cant believe your critisising on the day of GOD .
HM

Thanks for the negative rep :roll: :roll: Like i'm bothered :roll: :roll:

Now who's the silly little man!!

Rgds
MD (6ft 3)

[Pitbull]

Thanks for the negative rep :roll: :roll: Like i'm bothered :roll: :roll:

Now who's the silly little man!!

Rgds
MD (6ft 3)

pmsl

[Kennelre]

When you join this forum initially, and are relatively new to falconry, you feel quite deskilled in the face of others extensive experience. Yet there is masses of skill on this forum, if you read peoples profiles, that is not falconry related. Perhaps there is even a skilled and experienced fundraiser in our midst that isn't even posting because they don't have a bird yet and are afraid of looking stupid. My point is that there must be a way of using members skills to the advantage of the whole in the same way that individuals falconry expertiese is called upon to the advantage of the whole. I am a great believer in skills trading. I'd thought about the possibility of posting members individually to contribute ideas about fundraising initiatives but it has to be said, that people with the required level of skill will want a very clear picture of the financial status of the whole. I cant see that selling a few t shirts will get you very far although, on a psycological level, it reinforces a sense of belonging which is one of this sites greatest strengths. I would find an annual membership fee quite acceptable , including the fact that some people would clearly not be in a financial position to pay it. Wether that should be imposed, or an annual April reminder that funds are required, would be open for debate. Personlly, I feel no need of the public acknowledgment represented by the rather gross ' dollar donated' box because I think its potentially divisive. Its already been stated that items advertised sell quickly on this site so, recognising that solid sponsorship is the most viable long term goal, I also favour regular on site auctions. Again members have amazing skill levels and loads of things could be produced/donated that would be extremely attractive purchases if people wanted to be that involved. I've never been on any other forum but I doubt that many, if any, are as unique as this one and, if its survival is threatened, we should attempt to preserve it. I also think that we should pull together to do that without expecting any more in return than we already have.

[Shannor]

Well, here's my two cents (or pennies) :)

Subscriptions probably aren't a good path. Nothing more to say on that, it's all been said by others.

Donations are a good idea, that way, you give money when you have it spare. I'll be donating when I have money in my bank account again.

I would personally love an IFF baseball cap, nothing too flashy, just the logo on the front, and the URL on the strap at the back, maybe? Another option might be to have patches people can buy to add to their falconry bags? Maybe even have a slightly different design every year, selling off the previous year's merchandise at a lower markup?

On-site auctions would be a brilliant idea. We have a lot of crafty people on this site who may be able to use the on-site auction to get their name known, which in turn, might increase their sales? Likewise, at some point, everyone will have spare equipment in good condition that's just taking up space.

Between the latter three, it may help keep the IFF around for years. Of course, to help make sure the money goes a long way, it would be worth finding out about whether there are ways to streamline the forum, coding-wise, and hardware-wise. Making more effective use of server space may well bring the cost down :)

[Harris]

Did anyone else just get booted? Database issue I think:?:

[UKJay's Nursey]

yupp i did and its taking around 5 mins to page load each time:x

[Harris]

Ironic really, everytime we start talking about forum funding this happens lol :lol:

[UKJay74]

Yupps slow loading and db is lower:rolleyes: sparrow mate check where the db is held from the site if its more thatn a building away then it will slow things down try keep site and DB in same building then the bottleneck wont be as bad

[Harris]

I think that was a db crash m8, looks like they done a reboot!

[UKJay74]

I think that was a db crash m8, looks like they done a reboot!
Not just a reboot this seems like the db is out of range??
seriously sql db and website need to be placed in the same place:D sparrow mate put your site and forum on the same server
not hard if dedicated

[Yarak1]

Hi, I am not saying we have to pay a £10 or anything like it, what I am after is ideas on how we can raise some cash to keep the ship afloat any contributions at the moment would be a great help in the intrim but we have to try and help with some ideas to keep going long term and I for one do not want to be re-writing this again next year. The Forum is now the biggest Falconry site in the World, when it was small in the early days it was not such a problem but now it has grown so big the costs of running it are going through the roof and the success of the site is now becoming it's own worst enemy, the more Users there are the greater Bandwidth we need to handle it and what we have now is just not capable of greater use so a bigger sever is needed, as I am sure you remember the new server was installed a few weeks back and it took us less than an hour to blow it up and we lost a days posts and threads in one hit. Someone has to pay for the upkeep, repairs and sever rentals why should this all rest on the shoulders of 2 people who quiet often get the blame for things going wrong when it is not their fault and they are the ones keeping our Forum alive.
ATB
Terry

There's dedication for you.....up manning a bird from 3am.on one hand........forum on the other hand!!!

Terry, why don't all the people with centres and the breeders on here donate say £100 as a one off!! After all we all get good free advertising.....and say £5 for all members......that should raise a few quid!! Cheers, John.

[GregMik]

There's dedication for you.....up manning a bird from 3am.on one hand........forum on the other hand!!!

Terry, why don't all the people with centres and the breeders on here donate say £100 as a one off!! After all we all get good free advertising.....and say £5 for all members......that should raise a few quid!! Cheers, John.

John,
You can become a sponser and have your own section on the forum for anouncments and such.

Greg

[Bash]

Yupps slow loading and db is lower:rolleyes: sparrow mate check where the db is held from the site if its more thatn a building away then it will slow things down try keep site and DB in same building then the bottleneck wont be as bad

You keep saying that Jay but I can't see why that would make any difference?

[Hawkmaster]

To handle the extra usage and features added on the forum lately and in the past few weeks, we have now upgraded by doubling our ram and hard disk capacity, so everyone should see an improvement in speed.:D

Thank you for your patience in this matter while we got it sorted!:supz:

[Happy Go Lucky]

while your on line,how do i become a moderator,cheers boss

[Hawkmaster]

while your on line,how do i become a moderator,cheers boss
We ask you;)

[Happy Go Lucky]

well i'm about all day tomorrow,cheers boss:heart:

[Harris]

while your on line,how do i become a moderator,cheers boss

Hi Mate. Ignore Paul.

Basically you need a masters Degree in one of the Social Sciences, but preferably in Psychology, a background in Management is essential and any experience working with the Samaritans is of enormous benefit. Another path into the profession is working in a children's home or maybe even as a retired Headmaster of a school or governor of a Correctional institution. Prison warders need not apply though because you won't have gained enough experience. A couple of the current Mods have a Circus background, which seems to have stood them in good stead. One of the Mods is also a Cage fighter, skills which are often called for on a Friday night. If you wish I can send you an application form. Please be aware though we will need several references and the psychological assessments are quite hard to pass.

Good luck

Si.

[Add]

Hi Mate. Ignore Paul.

Basically you need a masters Degree in one of the Social Sciences, but preferably in Psychology, a background in Management is essential and any experience working with the Samaritans is of enormous benefit. Another path into the profession is working in a children's home or maybe even as a retired Headmaster of a school or governor of a Correctional institution. Prison warders need not apply though because you won't have gained enough experience. A couple of the current Mods have a Circus background, which seems to have stood them in good stead. One of the Mods is also a Cage fighter, skills which are often called for on a Friday night. If you wish I can send you an application form. Please be aware though we will need several references and the psychological assessments are quite hard to pass.

Good luck

Si.


SI, I have a degree of insanity does that count???? StoP tyPing they Wont take YOU seRIOUS. yes he will, he understands! DoNT KIdd yoUr seLf TheyRE LikE ALl thE REsT.




Got to go Si, Speak soon.
ADD

[Bird of Prey Courier]

Hi Mate. Ignore Paul.

Basically you need a masters Degree in one of the Social Sciences, but preferably in Psychology, a background in Management is essential and any experience working with the Samaritans is of enormous benefit. Another path into the profession is working in a children's home or maybe even as a retired Headmaster of a school or governor of a Correctional institution. Prison warders need not apply though because you won't have gained enough experience. A couple of the current Mods have a Circus background, which seems to have stood them in good stead. One of the Mods is also a Cage fighter, skills which are often called for on a Friday night. If you wish I can send you an application form. Please be aware though we will need several references and the psychological assessments are quite hard to pass.

Good luck

Si.

SI

I take it that the mod you refer to as a cage fighter is jan h???!;-)

atb joy

[Perebrine]

I used to do Cage fighting, but had to stop when the Hampster kept beating me. lol
John B

[JanH]

SI

I take it that the mod you refer to as a cage fighter is jan h???!;-)

atb joy

You cheeky mare Joy!

[Pearl]

I used to do Cage fighting, but had to stop when the Hampster kept beating me. lol
John B
he he he :supz:

[Bird of Prey Courier]

You cheeky mare Joy!

lol

made you laugh !:box::supz:

atb joy

[JanH]

lol

made you laugh !:box::supz:

atb joy

Bet it didn't. :cool:

[Bird of Prey Courier]

Bet it didn't. :cool:

opps!:oops:
im off before she bops me one!:box:

lol

atb joy

[Hawkmaster]

Hi there guys,

We have once again done improvements to the server to overcome some of the sluggish times people were experiencing.

Can you please give us your feedback of how it is currently working for you?

Thanks Paul:D

[GSP]

Ii seems alot faster to me at the moment.

[AndyHawks]

defo lot faster!:supz:

[Perebrine]

Works OK for me.
John B

[Daniel01]

It was slow early today but seems fine now for me

[Victor213]

seems a lot faster now

[Barry]

Well, I typed a post on a thread, and clicked submit and the post vanished - I was just taken back to the thread - where my post didn't appear! But........It does seem a little faster and my 18+ and politics came back :yawinkle:
Barry

[Hawkmaster]

Well, I typed a post on a thread, and clicked submit and the post vanished - I was just taken back to the thread - where my post didn't appear! But........It does seem a little faster and my 18+ and politics came back :yawinkle:
Barry
Well I will be darned ;):supz:

[BirdNurd]

definatly seems better at the mo paul atb ian

[Leo 1]

defo beter at min

[Gozzhawk]

must be my dodgy mobile connection cos its been going slower than a week in the jail.................

[TLDWB]

Its all good here.

Tom

[Barry]

Just tried some picture attachments. Got told that at 3.01mb I was 2.9mb over my limit! I deleted the larger part of 6 years of pic's to make space it made no difference. Old pictures lost, no new ones will go on. I'm too lazy for photobucket so pretty p'd off! Lost a lot of photographic history for nothing. :evil:
Barry

[Hawkmaster]

Just tried some picture attachments. Got told that at 3.01mb I was 2.9mb over my limit! I deleted the larger part of 6 years of pic's to make space it made no difference. Old pictures lost, no new ones will go on. I'm too lazy for photobucket so pretty p'd off! Lost a lot of photographic history for nothing. :evil:
Barry
I will get on to it Barry :wink:

[UglyBear]

all good here during the day seems to get sluggish during the eves after 6.pm to 11pm then seems to come good again ...
most prob this is when its at full capisity with users.

[SoldierHawker]

The whole internet slows up after 6pm ... as there are a whole lot of users after 6pm not only on this forum but Paul the server is okay ! a little slow at times but nothing unbearable on my end !

Bill