dispatch tool

[Dave G]

hi here is the tool i used to dispatch quarry as i for one think the knife is for gutting quarry and not safe for dispatching ??? as your bop is worth more than this one snatch at a knife blade and this could be the end of a very good bird ??? i asked at last years falconery fair if any one made the but to no avail ?? so i sorted one out ;)

[Biber]

TO RomeoHarrisHawk > SRY but wat is this a dont know your english names explaine mi it an bit PLZ :)

[Tim Laycock]

It is for killing things without cutting your hawks toes off :yawinkle:

[Biber]

Ohhhh i tinked that is it Wait i sen an foto of mi own dispatch knife :)

[Adam Barrett]

i use the same thing romeo mate, found themm a hell of a lot safer and at 99p each it doesnt matter how many you loose lol

ATB
Adam

[Biber]

Thi is mi dispatch tool from an frdeen that i become to mi 18 years

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[Tim Laycock]

That will do it :supz:

[Biber]

I dident use it yet because i dont ha an bird of prey and i dont weare hunting.But it looks Great

[KevGem1]

old screwdriver with a grinded point used one for years works fine and no danger of cutting your birds toe off KEV ;-)

[GregMik]

A Number 1 philips 6" screw driver works great. Tasha has dispatched a Fox with hers. They are cheap and easy to replace if lost. They are not really sharp enouph that you need a cork on the end.

Greg

[Pitbull]

so what quarry do you dispatch with your tools, and why not with your hands.:?:

[GregMik]

so what quarry do you dispatch with your tools, and why not with your hands.:?:

I use my hands with most quarry. Tasha doesn't have the strength to kill most quarry outright. It is faster and safer for her to use the screw driver. I would use it for squirrel tho. The rat ******** bite....:lol:

Greg

[Biber]

Squierl hunting S**T iwe nwer seen that in slovakia :lol: :lol:

[GosFlyer]

i would still prefer some sort of sheath than carry a pointed object in a pocket some of the falls that i have had in the past,:rolleyes:

[GregMik]

I have a Pineo Vest. So it would have to go thru a couple layers. Just as good as a sheath for me.

Greg

[Hawkmaster]

We always used them in the RSA, and very seldon over here in the UK.

We called it a bodkin.

[Hacker]

God, this is elementary!

[Tim Laycock]

so what quarry do you dispatch with your tools, and why not with your hands.:?:

I kill everything with a spike!
When you have both feet of a finnish female on the head and shoulders of a pheasant pulling its neck is not an option.
Same goes with a rabbit

[Coedhirion]

I kill everything with a spike!
When you have both feet of a finnish female on the head and shoulders of a pheasant pulling its neck is not an option.
Same goes with a rabbit

The ones I have known have been real nice, too busy pluming to bother about human hand, any how thats what the glove on the hand is for, the bare hand copes with the end further from the bird. A Redtail can be far more of a problem. I kill squirrels with gloved hand round neck keeping the jaws away from the bird, put thumb stick on the sqirrels head and push down. their skulls break easier than the neck and all is quicker and less dangerous...well thats what I have found

[Tim Laycock]

Im not talking adout the bird taking exception and showing its dissaproval :rolleyes:
I mean how are you to physicaly get in and do it when its wrapped up in oversized feet :lol:

[GDN]

Dispatch tool - that's just more kit to carry around and loose.

I use my hand that's why you wear a glove.

What happens when you loose your dispatch tool running to help out your bird when it has caught something. What are you going to do - use your gloved hand to dispatch the quary or go and look for the dispatch tool by which point your bird has been injured or the prey has got away. When i go out hunting i want to be carrying the minimum amount of kit.

[Tim Laycock]

Simple......Dont loose it :rolleyes:

Do you manage to loose your food while in the field?
Look after your kit and it will look after you :yawinkle:

[GaryPCO]

Dispatch tool - that's just more kit to carry around and loose.

I use my hand that's why you wear a glove.

What happens when you loose your dispatch tool running to help out your bird when it has caught something. What are you going to do - use your gloved hand to dispatch the quary or go and look for the dispatch tool by which point your bird has been injured or the prey has got away. When i go out hunting i want to be carrying the minimum amount of kit.
At the end of the day its not bein equipped in the field that generally causes problems,if you have a proper bag/vest losing equipment wont be a problem,everyone can cope with out a dispatch tool it just makes the difference in being more proffesional and humane with the way you go about it respect for your bird and quarry is paramount!!!!

[GDN]

Fair point about not loosing stuff but it does happen.

As for being more humane and professional. Using a gloved hand is quick and discreet. Rather than fumbling around looking for kit and trying to get it out of the pocket that you have stored it in securely so that you don't loose it. Taking longer to dispatch the quary. The glove should be on the hand and away you go.

At the end of the day i am not convinced that i need a dispatch tool or as it was being sold in some falconry magazines a few years - a killing spike.

Saying that you didn't say what you would do ifyou didn't have your dispatch tool. Let the quary go because you dom't have anything to dispatch it with or use a gloved hand.

Don't mean to sound cheeky - on the last glass of a really good bottle of red wine - shame.

[GaryPCO]

Fair point about not loosing stuff but it does happen.

As for being more humane and professional. Using a gloved hand is quick and discreet. Rather than fumbling around looking for kit and trying to get it out of the pocket that you have stored it in securely so that you don't loose it. Taking longer to dispatch the quary. The glove should be on the hand and away you go.

At the end of the day i am not convinced that i need a dispatch tool or as it was being sold in some falconry magazines a few years - a killing spike.

Saying that you didn't say what you would do ifyou didn't have your dispatch tool. Let the quary go because you dom't have anything to dispatch it with or use a gloved hand.

Don't mean to sound cheeky - on the last glass of a really good bottle of red wine - shame.
i never let any quarry escape if i can help it squirrels i generally bite their heads off,problem with wales too many footpaths,scare all the english ramblers away with blood streaming from my mouth so for the sake of the welsh tourism industry i act proffesionally and use a dispatch tool....:cool:

[Big JoeJoe]

i never let any quarry escape if i can help it squirrels i generally bite their heads off,problem with wales too many footpaths,scare all the english ramblers away with blood streaming from my mouth so for the sake of the welsh tourism industry i act proffesionally and use a dispatch tool....:cool:


I am soglad you stopped doing that Gaz with the squirrels mate, and I am very glad your thinking of the tourism trade your so thoughtful. I am switching to a tool this next season as I dont know my own strength and I end up with a lot of decapatated bunnies which I dont think is very proffessional

[Coedhirion]

Im not talking adout the bird taking exception and showing its dissaproval :rolleyes:
I mean how are you to physicaly get in and do it when its wrapped up in oversized feet :lol:

Well may be that is the advantage of being female!!! I find there is room for my fingers around the neck of the quarry. The bird obliges with one foot on mouth and head & other on the back, and soon learns that when help arrives it is neat to put both feet on the head (with long eared quarry) and await the end result. I mix a neck pull and chin job together and all is over without blood or risk of any spike or knife any where near me or the bird. Cant imagine how I would grapple with the hind legs of a 'long ear' or flapping kicking pheasant with one hand, while trying to fish in my hawk vest for a spike with the other, I fear the only blood getting spilled would be me or my bird :lol: as around here a fair number of kills have to be got at while hanging through a hole in a gorse bush or having crawled through a nice bramble thicket. This means there is very little elbow room and having despatched the quarry, out come secateurs to hack an escape route for me, bird and its prize.

[Tim Laycock]

Horses for courses :lol:

I go out of my way not to catch things with long ears and by the time I have found the Gos and the pheasant the kicking is usualy over, if it isnt the its neck is wrapped in feet and quite unpullable.

I dont make a habbit of adding extra things into the equasion or spending my time to no purpose, I find my spike invaluable in a myriad of situations and thats why I make much use of it

[GDN]

Each to their own if it works for you and is quick then go for it. As long as the quary is treated with respect and dispatched quickly and humanely who cares what you use.

[Tim Laycock]

valid point

[Coedhirion]

Shame I dont live closer to Blackbird :roll: If he dosnt want the bunny and hare, my freezer always has a space for them. My ferrets would get sick of all that rich pheasant meat :lol: I do like a nice varied diet for my animals and the birds appear to prefer a varied type of chase :yawinkle:

[Biber]

m8ts wen zou killing an pre with an dispatsch toll on witsch spot you kill the prey weare on his body you "stick it inside"??????

[Tim Laycock]

Shame I dont live closer to Blackbird If he dosnt want the bunny and hare, my freezer always has a space for them. My ferrets would get sick of all that rich pheasant meat I do like a nice varied diet for my animals and the birds appear to prefer a varied type of chase :yawinkle:

I like my Goshawk to be wedded To my chosen quarry the same as a gamehawker does not like killing check, I steer away from long ears :yawinkle:
(only took 3 last year :D )

I dont have a ferret to feed but there are a million and one Pheasant recipies in Blackbirds cookbook :supz:

[Palmer]

I dont have a ferret to feed but there are a million and one Pheasant recipies in Blackbirds cookbook :supz:

Maybe you should set up a stool at the falconry fair!:supz:
Sure you would get a lot of interest!:razz: :heart:

[Tim Laycock]

Maybe you should set up a stool at the falconry fair!:supz:
Sure you would get a lot of interest!:razz:

What would I do with the stool, just sit on it :yawinkle: http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif

[Palmer]

Yea and maybe have a table! you know one of those fold out plastic ones.(so you can lay on it):D

[GaryPCO]

Maybe you should set up a stool at the falconry fair!:supz:
Sure you would get a lot of interest!:razz: :heart:
i think people should steer clear of BB's stools very repulsive and probaby quite unhygenic!!!!!!!:cool:

[Palmer]

LOL:lol:

[DeathFromAbove]

Personally i dispatch with my hands where possible but i carry a screwdriver grinded to a point as my dispatch tool should i need one. I only ever use my knives for paunching/gutting etc....

[Palmer]

Personally i dispatch with my hands where possible but i carry a screwdriver grinded to a point as my dispatch tool should i need one. I only ever use my knives for paunching/gutting etc....

Same, i do intend to get a screwdriver

[DeathFromAbove]

Same, i do intend to get a screwdriver

got loads here mate - old and new, will sharpen one up and send it to ya if you want mate.

[Palmer]

Its up to you mate but me dad has got a fair few so i will use one of those. Thanks anyway mate that iis very generous:D :goodman: Much appresiated:-)

Your a good guy!!!:supz:

[DeathFromAbove]

Its up to you mate but me dad has got a fair few so i will use one of those. Thanks anyway mate that iis very generous:D :goodman: Much appresiated:-)

Your a good guy!!!:supz:

no worries mate - kindness is my middle name.... well.... actually it isn't but you get what i mean hehehe

[Palmer]

LOL yeas thanks again:supz:

[Pitbull]

which hand do you use the dispatch tool in..gloved or un gloved:?:

[Dave G]

i use mine in my ungloved hand which is shielded by the gloved hand ??? not that i need to as my bird is none footy ??? i could and have dispatched quarry using my hands as snap the kneck back without wearing a glove , just some times if quarry is caught under cover its easier to use the dispatch tool then safely remove them from the cover and saves the thrashing about ?? cheers dave

[Tim Laycock]

if quarry is caught under cover its easier to use the dispatch tool then safely remove them from the cover and saves the thrashing about ?? cheers dave

Correct :supz:

[Bones]

i use me hands as whats wrong with the occasional head being pulled from the body as my bird allways gets the head as a reward anyhows besides by the time you have mouched and ****ed around in yer pockets for the tool to dispatch them i would have done it with me hands making for quicker dispatch which is better for bird and quarry cause even if you spike the quarry or even cut it with a knife you still got to be sure to hit the brain or your having to stick it again with the quarry kicking even more cause im afraid im yet to come across any quarry my birds have caught sitting still making for absolute accuracy when dispatching with a knife or spike they are usually kicking ***** outta the hawk trying to get away from it so just feel the hands are much quicker and safer for all when dispatching
PAUL

[Tim Laycock]

i use me hands as whats wrong with the occasional head being pulled from the body as my bird allways gets the head as a reward anyhows besides by the time you have mouched and ****ed around in yer pockets for the tool to dispatch them i would have done it with me hands making for quicker dispatch which is better for bird and quarry cause even if you spike the quarry or even cut it with a knife you still got to be sure to hit the brain or your having to stick it again with the quarry kicking even more cause im afraid im yet to come across any quarry my birds have caught sitting still making for absolute accuracy when dispatching with a knife or spike they are usually kicking ***** outta the hawk trying to get away from it so just feel the hands are much quicker and safer for all when dispatching
PAUL

My spike is out as Im making in and as I grasp the game with my gloved hand the spike is already progressing through the quarrys eye and directly into its brain, after a good "stir" the quarry is dead bar the twitching and all this is done in a few seconds.

If you think getting a secure hold, then making sure your bird is clear and then doing the deed is quicker, you have a head full of magic! :rolleyes: :yawinkle: :lol:

[GaryPCO]

i use me hands as whats wrong with the occasional head being pulled from the body as my bird allways gets the head as a reward anyhows besides by the time you have mouched and ****ed around in yer pockets for the tool to dispatch them i would have done it with me hands making for quicker dispatch which is better for bird and quarry cause even if you spike the quarry or even cut it with a knife you still got to be sure to hit the brain or your having to stick it again with the quarry kicking even more cause im afraid im yet to come across any quarry my birds have caught sitting still making for absolute accuracy when dispatching with a knife or spike they are usually kicking ***** outta the hawk trying to get away from it so just feel the hands are much quicker and safer for all when dispatching
PAUL
the key isnt too fumble around looking for the despatch tool,when you're ontop of your quarry but to have it at hand on the approach then no time is lost you just put it safely in the ground and take hold of whatever you have and then use the despatch tool.........

[Bones]

If you think getting a secure hold, then making sure your bird is clear and then doing the deed is quicker, you have a head full of magic! :rolleyes: :yawinkle: :lol:
Sorry but its worked for me for the last 15 years or more so i will continue to use me hands while the rest of you's use yer screwdrivers hammers braddle(spike ) chissels or whatever it may be outta the tool box you care to use and by the way on yer help full advice i may just change me name to paul daniels as like you say i must have a head full of magic abra ca ****ing dabra!!!!!
PAUL

[Tim Laycock]

Thats magic! :yawinkle: :lol:

[Bones]

Thats magic! :yawinkle: :lol:
why thanks and now for my next trick ?
PMSL
PAUL

[Jester]

the one time Jester caught a rabbit i was glad of a blunted knife with a sharp point so i could despatch it with one hand while trying to avoid the snapping beak with the gloved hand and also skewer it to the ground so he couldnt fly off with it.


will probably change to screwdriver (just in case he does it again) instead of being done for carrying a 6" knife with me

[Tim Laycock]

Another good use of the despatch spike :supz:

Mine has a loop on the end and after I pull it out of the game I stick it into the ground and tether the bird to it.

Its a multi function tool and is also very handy for picking boy scouts out of horses hoofs :rolleyes: :lol:

[KenHawker1970]

I just break the quarrys neck, job done.

Ken

[Tim Laycock]

How do you break the neck if your hawk has the quarry by the neck and head?

[Pitbull]

what im finding hard too visualize is if you cant get your hands into grab the quarry how can you get the tool in safely.:confused: anything like moorhens and starlings obviously its snapped its neck by the time im there.

im not looking for an argument as i have never used a tool but anytime the bird has bound to the head with both feet i have been able too work my hand under at least 1 foot, but then ive only had 1 season behind me, but a variety of differrent HH

[KenHawker1970]

How do you break the neck if your hawk has the quarry by the neck and head?

Well i would think put your hand under its chin and bend its head backwards and twist to one side.

[GaryPCO]

Well i would think put your hand under its chin and bend its head backwards and twist to one side.
Thus dislocating ur hawks toes in the process!!!!

[Onyx25]

My spike is out as Im making in and as I grasp the game with my gloved hand the spike is already progressing through the quarrys eye and directly into its brain, after a good "stir" the quarry is dead bar the twitching and all this is done in a few seconds.

If you think getting a secure hold, then making sure your bird is clear and then doing the deed is quicker, you have a head full of magic! :rolleyes: :yawinkle: :lol:
Running after a gos hanging onto a hare with a 6" spike in your hand better not slip!!!! lol personally sometimes a spike others break the neck both are effective.

[KenHawker1970]

Thus dislocating ur hawks toes in the process!!!!

I hope my birds would have enough sence to move there feet, and i would never attempt to do the manover if it was going to put my birds in any danger. There is more than one way to skin a rabbit, there is also more than one way to break a rabbits neck. Hopfully you beening a falconer should know this.


Reguards Ken

[GaryPCO]

I hope my birds would have enough sence to move there feet, and i would never attempt to do the manover if it was going to put my birds in any danger. There is more than one way to skin a rabbit, there is also more than one way to break a rabbits neck. Hopfully you beening a falconer should know this.


Reguards Ken
obviously but the point i was gettin at was,sometimes just takin the rabbit by the head/neck and dislocating it isnt always that simple,sometimes you can just break its neck other times a dispatch tool is invaluable,its better to have one and not need it than,be in a predicament where you do need one but dont have one,for instance if your bird has a squirrel be it by accident or on purpose and the squirrel has your bird by the foot/leg how do you get the squirrel off sometimes a wrestling match isnt the answer same applies to any quarry.......

[KenHawker1970]

obviously but the point i was gettin at was,sometimes just takin the rabbit by the head/neck and dislocating it isnt always that simple,sometimes you can just break its neck other times a dispatch tool is invaluable,its better to have one and not need it than,be in a predicament where you do need one but dont have one,for instance if your bird has a squirrel be it by accident or on purpose and the squirrel has your bird by the foot/leg how do you get the squirrel off sometimes a wrestling match isnt the answer same applies to any quarry.......


Point taken. I tend to carry a knife in my falconry bag at all times. I just dont have to use it, well not yet anyway.
But if you bend a rabbits neck back so its head touches its sholders it doesnt dislocate its neck, it breaks it. And if someone flys his or her bird on squirrels they should have chaps fitted to there red tail buzzards legs. If they are flying a harris on tree rats then they need there bloody head looking at.

Ken

[GaryPCO]

Point taken. I tend to carry a knife in my falconry bag at all times. I just dont have to use it, well not yet anyway.
But if you bend a rabbits neck back so its head touches its sholders it doesnt dislocate its neck, it breaks it. And if someone flys his or her bird on squirrels they should have chaps fitted to there red tail buzzards legs. If they are flying a harris on tree rats then they need there bloody head looking at.

Ken
absolutely its just easyer to have one than not a knife sometimes is dodgy only one cock up and the hawk has a tendon cut or worse ive broken a few rabbits necks to know how easy it is but sometimes the tool is better,the squirrel bit was only an example wich is why i said by accident or otherwise,even chaps dont protect the bird 100% besides a lot of people dont like chaps and refuse to use em,its better to have a tool than not just my opinion....

[KenHawker1970]

absolutely its just easyer to have one than not a knife sometimes is dodgy only one cock up and the hawk has a tendon cut or worse ive broken a few rabbits necks to know how easy it is but sometimes the tool is better,the squirrel bit was only an example wich is why i said by accident or otherwise,even chaps dont protect the bird 100% besides a lot of people dont like chaps and refuse to use em,its better to have a tool than not just my opinion....


My falconry knife couldnt cut butter. And as for the chapps, I was just sayin if you hunt squirrels then use chapps. If people dont like hunting squirrels with chapps then dont hunt squirrels. I know you were using the squirrel bit as an example, but we are not the only two people that will read this thred many beginners will to.

Reguards ken

[GaryPCO]

My falconry knife couldnt cut butter. And as for the chapps, I was just sayin if you hunt squirrels then use chapps. If people dont like hunting squirrels with chapps then dont hunt squirrels. I know you were using the squirrel bit as an example, but we are not the only two people that will read this thred many beginners will to.

Reguards ken
so in effect by saying ur knife couldnt cut butter it is infact a dispatch tool and not a knife lol.......no worries KH been a good debate hope the thread carries on as you're right it is good reading for begginers who may not be as capable of breaking necks humanely as fast as youself thus warranting a dispatch tool!!!!!:cool:

[KenHawker1970]

so in effect by saying ur knife couldnt cut butter it is infact a dispatch tool and not a knife lol.......no worries KH been a good debate hope the thread carries on as you're right it is good reading for begginers who may not be as capable of breaking necks humanely as fast as youself thus warranting a dispatch tool!!!!!:cool:


Whats the point?

[LadyHawke]

I know of people that use these, and i like the idea that my hawks toes are safe, but I would be unsure of where exactly in the head/neck region to put it, so that I would dispatch my quarry effectively-can anyone advise?

[KenHawker1970]

Under the chin. Into its brain. or just below the ear.

Ken

[LadyHawke]

Is it instant?

[GaryPCO]

Is it instant?
Generally........

[KenHawker1970]

yes.
reguards Ken

[Tim Laycock]

Running after a gos hanging onto a hare with a 6" spike in your hand better not slip!!!! lol personally sometimes a spike others break the neck both are effective.

I dont hunt mamals as a rule, Its like killing check with a gamehawk to me but I see your point :lol:

[Tim Laycock]

I know of people that use these, and i like the idea that my hawks toes are safe, but I would be unsure of where exactly in the head/neck region to put it, so that I would dispatch my quarry effectively-can anyone advise?

Straight through the eye socket, provides an unhindered route through the skull of anything straight into the frontal lobes of the brain, a quick "stir" ensures you have not missed!
The quarry is dead before you remove the spike.

It may twitch for a while but knows nothing about it.

<btw> also ensures minimal bleeding as opposed to a chest or neck penetration

[Claire]

I carry a spike but its usually only used on squirrel, i was taught to break the neck and have never flown a gos so I dont know if I would do differently with one, but have only needed a spike for squirrel

[Tim Laycock]

Spiles are a must for squirrels, its best to skewer their dirty little rat heads to the floor as soon as you possibly can.
There is a thread elswhere about respect for quarry, I have no respect for squirrels, just an all consuming hatred.

Shame I cant fly them with the Gos realy :twisted:

[Dave G]

thanx every one for their veiws on the spike myself i think its a good tool ?? some think that the dispatching by hand is best ??? sometimes this is impossible due to 1 the way the bird may have hold of the quarry or 2 the quarry is under thick cover and just getting to the bird using one hand is hard enough never mind getting hold of the quarry to dispatch it ??,so my veiw is its handy to carry it and it doesnt way a ton just like the knife and comes in handy and its safe ;) cheers dave

[Palmer]

Baught some antlers yesturday and i am going to make a wooden hadle for them and then sharpen a point on the end. Pictures will follow when complete