ref top quality bow perches

[Matthew Symons]

i just recievd my new bow perch from yarak1 on here (check the banner at the top of the website page)
I cannot get across the quality of this item its top quality.
Its not cheap but then the best things in life never are. its well worth the money !
Thanks very much for the great service as well john m8 cheers.

[Roberto]

Sorry, i coudn´t find it, can you help me with the web page.
Not this one? http://www.yarak.nl/

[Wilfred]

well..the yarak.nl was not mentioned. This one has some excellent small swivels for sparrowhawks. But rest of the product range I will not judge here.

[Matthew Symons]

Sorry, i coudn´t find it, can you help me with the web page.
Not this one? http://www.yarak.nl/
heres the link guys http://www.yarakbirdsofprey.co.uk/

[Yarak1]

well..the yarak.nl was not mentioned. This one has some excellent small swivels for sparrowhawks. But rest of the product range I will not judge here.

That's a yarak in Holland wilfred.....we are in England.........

[Roberto]

Thank´s Matthew

[Tim Laycock]

Another hemespherical bow perch, aside from that it looks very well made.

Shame about the shape.

[Yarak1]

Another hemespherical bow perch, aside from that it looks very well made.

Shame about the shape.

So what's wrong with the shape then mate??............you seem to be very critical of other peoples equipment all the time.....................

[Jimmy]

That's a great looking perch, though I must admit that I prefer them to have a sharper angle on the sides. It looks quite heavy,what does it weigh?

[Matthew Symons]

That's a great looking perch, though I must admit that I prefer them to have a sharper angle on the sides. It looks quite heavy,what does it weigh?
about 12 kgs if im right jimmy

[Jimmy]

So that's about 25 pounds. That should be plenty heavy. Thanks.

[Tim Laycock]

So what's wrong with the shape then mate??............you seem to be very critical of other peoples equipment all the time.....................

Im critical of everything because I wont buy anything except telemetry :yawinkle:
I see a flaw in something and I cant manage to bite my tongue.
My gripes with hemespherical bow perches are laid down on many threads and I dont wish to go into it here.
As I said in my original post the perch does look very well made.

[StormRider]

Im critical of everything because I wont buy anything except telemetry :yawinkle:
I see a flaw in something and I cant manage to bite my tongue.
My gripes with hemespherical bow perches are laid down on many threads and I dont wish to go into it here.

Well why didnt you keep yr initial comments to yourself, if your not willing to explain properly. You'de make a cracking sniper.
STU

[Jack Merlin]

Well why didnt you keep yr initial comments to yourself, if your not willing to explain properly. You'de make a cracking sniper.
STU

I would be delighted to comment -- as I'm as thick skinned as they come!

If you hung this bow perch on the wall so the "feet" were against the wall with the bow standing out from it, you could safely hang a ton weight off the "top" leg near the base and it would not slide down the bow simply because it cannot slide along the initial horizontal surface. Get it?

OK, now put the perch on the ground in the normal position. If the hawk bates sideways, along the perch, and the ring is in the same position as your ton weight was; it cannot slide over the bow as it would first have to slide upwards, at right angles, which is impossible!

A few more bates and the hawk is well and truly wrapped, by its leash, onto the perch with a minimum of a few broken feathers or, at worst, a broken leg or wing.

The up rights should be at no greater angle than 45 degrees to the horizontal so that the ring is allowed to slide from one end of the perch to the other with a minimum of force as the hawk bates. It does not require a degree in engineering to understand that!

If being told the facts hurts your feelings, I'm afraid I couldn't care less. This has been covered before and you seem to imagine that you can change the laws of physics by shouting down those who are trying to educate you. I have seen far too many of these pretty but badly designed perches. What I do care about is the welfare of the birds -- and that should also be your concern rather than your hurt pride, but I doubt if it is!

I really do not care that people have used these perches "for years" without a problem. The facts speak for themselves. It is an accident waiting to happen.

Do you get it now? That is all I am prepared to say on the subject as some here seem determined to make it personal and have a fight.

[AngelJakki]

yarak do you make these or have them made for you as we have 2 that look exactly the same. Very heavy and very good quality. If these are the same as crown falconry perches we have never had any trouble with the birds and the perches. The bath is to the side of the perch and he can get up and down from one side to the other easily.

[Tim Laycock]

Well why didnt you keep yr initial comments to yourself, if your not willing to explain properly. You'de make a cracking sniper.
STU

It has been explaind by me numerous times, what has your comment added to this thread?.......... Absolutley nothing thats what!

Very inteligent :finga:

Keep yours to yourself next time :!:

[MickeyDredd]

Yarak1

Do the bobbles wear down on your version?

Rgds
MD

[OutFlying]

What does bow perch mean ? I thought it was the shape, never seen a bow this shape before.

Jim.

[Tim Laycock]

What does bow perch mean ? I thought it was the shape, never seen a bow this shape before.

Jim.

Correct Jim :yawinkle:

Wouldnt fire an arrow very far (Fine if it had a rubber sucker on the end though :rolleyes: )

[Onyx25]

How can you pass comment on something you havn't seen? Might be a bit squished in the photo, looks similar to some bows I have which have never caused me a problem with accipiters and are the best made iv'e ever seen..

[Harris]

I think this is the issue

[AngelJakki]

Yes that is the issue but surely you have to be careful how low it is or else you will have tail damage when it touches the ground.

[Harris]

If it designed like this tho the height isn't an issue

[Tim Laycock]

If it designed like this tho the height isn't an issue

Now this is bad! Your first post was spot on :supz:

A perch has to be stupidly low to affect the tail!
(unless you dont mow your lawn :lol: )

[Harris]

Now this is bad! Your first post was spot on :supz:

A perch has to be stupidly low to affect the tail!
(unless you dont mow your lawn :lol: )


ok can you clarify for me please

[Harris]

there is no scale on my drawing, I put the second cross bar in so that it sits on the ground, is that wrong? :confused:

[Tim Laycock]

My hawks tail (Female Goshawk, about the longest tail you are going to have to deal with)
Comes no more than 9" below her feet when she is stood up straight on a bow so in theory if the bow is 10-11" high then it wont be a problem.

I cant imagine people making a perch for mediun to large raptors any lower than this at any rate.

[Harris]

Ok I see, so the second cross bar isn't neede at all then 8-)

[Tim Laycock]

there is no scale on my drawing, I put the second cross bar in so that it sits on the ground, is that wrong? :confused:

When you say the second do you mean the lower of the two crossbars?

If so what distance would you propose between the bars m8?

[Harris]

When you say the second do you mean the lower of the two crossbars?

If so what distance would you propose between the bars m8?

If so what distance would you propose between the bars m8?[/QUOTE]

yes sorry the lower! well it depends on the bird, but probably around 10" as you quote, just thought that the second bar would add some strength, as long as it was pushed in to ground level it would be ok.

Am learning here :yawinkle:

[Harris]

sorry m8 I can see it now! that would make the top of the perch around 20" or so from the ground! :roll:

[Yarak1]

I would be delighted to comment -- as I'm as thick skinned as they come!

If you hung this bow perch on the wall so the "feet" were against the wall with the bow standing out from it, you could safely hang a ton weight off the "top" leg near the base and it would not slide down the bow simply because it cannot slide along the initial horizontal surface. Get it?

OK, now put the perch on the ground in the normal position. If the hawk bates sideways, along the perch, and the ring is in the same position as your ton weight was; it cannot slide over the bow as it would first have to slide upwards, at right angles, which is impossible!

A few more bates and the hawk is well and truly wrapped, by its leash, onto the perch with a minimum of a few broken feathers or, at worst, a broken leg or wing.

The up rights should be at no greater angle than 45 degrees to the horizontal so that the ring is allowed to slide from one end of the perch to the other with a minimum of force as the hawk bates. It does not require a degree in engineering to understand that!

If being told the facts hurts your feelings, I'm afraid I couldn't care less. This has been covered before and you seem to imagine that you can change the laws of physics by shouting down those who are trying to educate you. I have seen far too many of these pretty but badly designed perches. What I do care about is the welfare of the birds -- and that should also be your concern rather than your hurt pride, but I doubt if it is!

I really do not care that people have used these perches "for years" without a problem. The facts speak for themselves. It is an accident waiting to happen.

Do you get it now? That is all I am prepared to say on the subject as some here seem determined to make it personal and have a fight.

It depends on the falconer and how he tethers Jack...if the tethering is done properly the ring will move everytime the bird bates, over the perch with no problem.............The tethering I saw on your traditional bow was miles to long and would snag on any modern bow.........it would allow the bird to walk around the end of the bow so getting tangled..........

[Yarak1]

yarak do you make these or have them made for you as we have 2 that look exactly the same. Very heavy and very good quality. If these are the same as crown falconry perches we have never had any trouble with the birds and the perches. The bath is to the side of the perch and he can get up and down from one side to the other easily.

Yes they are from Crown falconry..........Jim is an engineer in fabrication..............He knows his stuff..............Problem on here is people like Jack and Blackbird rubbish things without ever having tried one................Funny how Jims bows are so popular because they dont snag with the correct length of tether...............

[Yarak1]

[Jack Merlin Quote A few more bates and the hawk is well and truly wrapped, by its leash, onto the perch with a minimum of a few broken feathers or, at worst, a broken leg or wing.

I agree Jack if people tethered birds on as long a leash as you do!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Yarak1]

It has been explaind by me numerous times, what has your comment added to this thread?.......... Absolutley nothing thats what!

Very inteligent :finga:

Keep yours to yourself next time :!:

Your problem is that you are anti everybody elses bows!!!!!!!.....................As a moderator you are far from neutral my friend.........more petty than anything else............

[Yarak1]

Yarak1

Do the bobbles wear down on your version?

Rgds
MD

I have a bow here from Jim that is 3 yrs old used every day and still has a good bobble surface on it............

[Tim Laycock]

Your problem is that you are anti everybody elses bows!!!!!!!.....................As a moderator you are far from neutral my friend.........more petty than anything else............

I have stopped selling mine and all the faults I pick are totaly valid ones :yawinkle:

If you think picking vadid faults with gear is anything other than playing devils advocate then you are wrong but then of course you are going to gripe about it, you are pedaling these things :yawinkle:

It is interesting to see you try to refute the laws of physics though :lol:

[Yarak1]

I have stopped selling mine and all the faults I pick are totaly valid ones :yawinkle:

If you think picking vadid faults with gear is anything other than playing devils advocate then you are wrong but then of course you are going to gripe about it, you are pedaling these things :yawinkle:

But how do you have a valid fault if you don't use them yourself?..............Also for your information I wouldn't use or sell anything that I thought would be of danger to a bird..........Mine or anyone elses.............Come down off your pedastal that you have put yourself on..............

[Tim Laycock]

Im sick of posting this picture

Here is a drawing of a hemespherical bow (I realise it is not yours but it will serve again for illustration purposes!)

Note the short tether! <g>

Imagine the Hawk is sat on the bow and attempts to get to point X (as marked in red)
Lets say thar for arguements sake its bath is there or it just wants to sit there, on that bit of the floor as they are known to do (Fickle things these hawks).

What do you suppose is going to happen?
Do you think a hawk is going to jump up in the air and hover down like a giant kestrel :rolleyes:
Or do you think that it will head straight its chosen destination when the mood takes it :yawinkle:

Do your perches come fitted with special gravity defying rings :rolleyes:

[Zam]

Blackbird - Sorry if this is repetitious, as I haven't done a search on bows (and your comments) but do you have a pic of your bow perches - or a pic of a bow perch you feel is ideal?

I have a Crown Falconry one, which I have had for about 8 years or so. My bird (FHH) is free-lofted, so spends very little time on her bow.

However, your comments have now given me pause for thought. I would very much like to see your "perfect" bow perch - to see how it differs from the one I have.

Thanks

[Tim Laycock]

I have stopped posting pictures of my bows as the demand was overwhelming :yawinkle:

I will gladly PM it to you though :D

[Zam]

Good God!!

Too slow - as ever:(

[Harris]

Am I correct in saying that if the bird bates in direction A
then the ring will not slide in direction B

[Red-Devil]

Am I correct in saying that if the bird bates in direction A
then the ring will not slide in direction B
yes i think that is what is bieng said ,but all of my bows are like that ,all doiferent makes and sorry bb but no problems at all ,female goshawks,through to male harris ,

[Tim Laycock]

Am I correct in saying that if the bird bates in direction A
then the ring will not slide in direction B

Correctomundo :supz:

[Harris]

Correctomundo :supz:


Thought you would like that :yawinkle:

[Tim Laycock]

yes i think that is what is bieng said ,but all of my bows are like that ,all doiferent makes and sorry bb but no problems at all ,female goshawks,through to male harris ,

Only takes once m8, maybe not today and maybe not tomorrow but :?:

It is an easily avoided risk and one that I wont take with any charge of mine

[Yarak1]

Im sick of posting this picture

Here is a drawing of a hemespherical bow (I realise it is not yours but it will serve again for illustration purposes!)

Note the short tether! <g>

Imagine the Hawk is sat on the bow and attempts to get to point X (as marked in red)
Lets say thar for arguements sake its bath is there or it just wants to sit there, on that bit of the floor as they are known to do (Fickle things these hawks).

What do you suppose is going to happen?
Do you think a hawk is going to jump up in the air and hover down like a giant kestrel :rolleyes:
Or do you think that it will head straight its chosen destination when the mood takes it :yawinkle:

Do your perches come fitted with special gravity defying rings :rolleyes:

Why do you have to add sarcasm into your replies?????????

Anyway...........if you had a slightly shorter tether the ring will move everytime the hawk moves..always has done for me.......never had the snag you mention...........As angeljakki said she uses them and has no problems..........so do others use them.............where's the queue of people saying they do snag???

[Pitbull]

i use the crown on 2 birds when i tether the ring just sits flat so any movement the bird makes the ring moves, and due to the bows being of stainless steel they are always smooth. I think also the key thing is whats on top of the bow. if it is tapered at the ends then the ring will also slide smoothly over it where as if it is bulbus then, you may have a good bow shape but the ring could snag.

There is a lot of falconers that have seen and used the crowns that go back to get more. Like said before the only issue really is the durability of the bobbles on the rubber.

[Yarak1]

Im sick of posting this picture

Here is a drawing of a hemespherical bow (I realise it is not yours but it will serve again for illustration purposes!)

Note the short tether! <g>

Imagine the Hawk is sat on the bow and attempts to get to point X (as marked in red)
Lets say thar for arguements sake its bath is there or it just wants to sit there, on that bit of the floor as they are known to do (Fickle things these hawks).

What do you suppose is going to happen?
Do you think a hawk is going to jump up in the air and hover down like a giant kestrel :rolleyes:
Or do you think that it will head straight its chosen destination when the mood takes it :yawinkle:

Do your perches come fitted with special gravity defying rings :rolleyes:

Blackbird.............if your bird can reach point A.while the ring is at point B.......then your tethering is to long mate.........A bird should NEVER be able to get passed the end of the bow opposite to the ring in the first place.............

[Yarak1]

i use the crown on 2 birds when i tether the ring just sits flat so any movement the bird makes the ring moves, and due to the bows being of stainless steel they are always smooth. I think also the key thing is whats on top of the bow. if it is tapered at the ends then the ring will also slide smoothly over it where as if it is bulbus then, you may have a good bow shape but the ring could snag.

There is a lot of falconers that have seen and used the crowns that go back to get more. Like said before the only issue really is the durability of the bobbles on the rubber.

Hi David, totally agree with you.also as I pointed out to Blackbird .if your bird can get around the end of the bow opposite to the end where your ring lies then the tethering is to long in the first place................Any luck with your hunting?

[Yarak1]

Am I correct in saying that if the bird bates in direction A
then the ring will not slide in direction B

The bird couldn't reach point A in the first place if the tethering was correct!!!

[Harris]

The bird couldn't reach point A in the first place if the tethering was correct!!!

I agree, which is why i stated "Direction A" :yawinkle:

[Jack Merlin]

[Jack Merlin Quote A few more bates and the hawk is well and truly wrapped, by its leash, onto the perch with a minimum of a few broken feathers or, at worst, a broken leg or wing.

I agree Jack if people tethered birds on as long a leash as you do!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I didn't notice any bird tethered to the perch I illustrated in the traditional bow perch thread but imagination is a great thing.

Incidentally, falconers have been using that type of bent wooden bow perch for at least 2,000 years in which time they have also had iron. Not many used iron perches until the late 19th century when there was a revival in falconry and they got a lot of things wrong. Go think about it.

But I see you are trying to sell these perches so that might cloud your judgement!

[Jester]

i have used 2 "semicircular" bow perches for Jester for nearly 2 years now and never thought there was anything wrong with them :supz:

Admittedly Jester is usually free lofted in his aviary most of the time but does get taken out and tethered in the garden for a while occasionally but never left unattended for longer than it takes to go inside and make coffee / have a **** / make a doobie etc.etc.

yesterday was the first time i had seen the ring snag and it was caused by Jester bating towards "point A" and the ring not following cos it didnt go up the vertical. However my mrs had tied the leash and she did leave it slightly longer than usual (only about 50mm longer as there was still enough leash to tie 2 falconers knots)

oh well i guess i better see about making new ones. They will have to be in carbon steel instead of stainless cos i dont have access to (and cant use) a TIG welder.

[Harris]

All said and done, I think we can all see what BB is saying about semicircular perches, It can and does happen albeit rarley especialy if used correctly. but perhaps BB's attack on these perches is in our opinion a little strong, but I guess he has seen the damage that can be done if it goes wrong, so perhaps we would feel the same if our bird suffered a broken leg etc as a result. It is therefore in all our interests to be "aware" of the dangers that can occur by using a semicircular bow. I appreciate that hundreds of people use them and have done for years without problems and therefor swear by them. but then we all swear by different methods and different equipment don't we! so I would say "opinions are extremely valid" but "attacks without explanation are not!"

And Yes BB I know you have made this point about these perches several times in previous posts, but every time this issue raises its head on a new thread it may be the first time someone has heard about it. :yawinkle:

[Yarak1]

I didn't notice any bird tethered to the perch I illustrated in the traditional bow perch thread but imagination is a great thing.

Incidentally, falconers have been using that type of bent wooden bow perch for at least 2,000 years in which time they have also had iron. Not many used iron perches until the late 19th century when there was a revival in falconry and they got a lot of things wrong. Go think about it.

But I see you are trying to sell these perches so that might cloud your judgement!

Doesn't cloud my judgement Jack........ As for trying to sell them no.wrong.........They come striaght from Crown falconry.they sell themselves..................I was referring to your gos on the bow.............tether is miles too long mate.............

[Yarak1]

I didn't notice any bird tethered to the perch I illustrated in the traditional bow perch thread but imagination is a great thing.

Incidentally, falconers have been using that type of bent wooden bow perch for at least 2,000 years in which time they have also had iron. Not many used iron perches until the late 19th century when there was a revival in falconry and they got a lot of things wrong. Go think about it.

But I see you are trying to sell these perches so that might cloud your judgement!

I use the very same bows for my birds Jack............ It's not like I endorse something and not use it myself ............

[Tim Laycock]

Blackbird.............if your bird can reach point A.while the ring is at point B.......then your tethering is to long mate.........A bird should NEVER be able to get passed the end of the bow opposite to the ring in the first place.............

I never mentioned point A and B, I think You have confused my post with anothers :rolleyes:

If the bird had a long tether and it could reach poing X then the ring moving over the perch woulntnt be an issue(Though this is not the issue and a overly long tether is of course not good)

If the sarcasan offended I appologise, riles me up when people claim to defy the laws of physics

I totaly grasp what you say about your short tethering with leashes with balls on then but how many people who buy these perches actualy use these in conjunction with the perch?

I wonder how many are sold and equate to broken wing coverts or worse without the falconer having the slightest clue as to why?



And regarding your post about my putting myself on a pedestal :rolleyes:

The first word starts with an F and the second word is OFF (May be interpreted by using a thesarus as "Sex and Travel" :finga:)

[Kevin Massey]

Blackbird - Sorry if this is repetitious, as I haven't done a search on bows (and your comments) but do you have a pic of your bow perches - or a pic of a bow perch you feel is ideal?

http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=12179

[AndyYounger]

Being Honest BB i can see you argument and understand. your bows look good and seem very practical. i also see the other side of the coin. i have always used crown bows, spiked and wieghted and have never had any issues with them. i sometimes use a toggle leash but normally use a loop leash. i suppose its down to the length of the leash not whos right and whos wrong.

[Sprout]

How do you explain tails like this?? Hunting?? Well my HH has crashed into plenty of cover this season and is still feather perfect so its either management or perching???
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/Sproutfalcon/imped.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/Sproutfalcon/yarakhawk.jpg

Both borrowed off a professional falconers website - birds with broken feathers in my opinion don't give the right image. It certainly doesn't look professional to me but if this is the forefront of falconry in this country then I'm worried. Yes accidents to feathers happen, but I certainly don't advertise it!!!! Glass houses?? Some one posted about the loss of traditional falconry skills and language a while ago, looks like the skill of imping has also been lost!! PMSL

[Varmint]

I had noticed this earlier when i clicked on a link and thought it would only be a matter of time before someone else noticed?

Broken feathers happen, but are not a good advert for our sport or the birds in our care?

Just for the benefit of any beginners reading this, if a bird breaks a feather it is important to repair it as quick as possible as the surrounding feathers rely on its support, or will soon follow suit as can be seen in the pics.

Even a bird about to be moulted, should have any broken feathers imped, to allow growing feathers in the blood the correct guidance they need when developing.

Sorry, back to topic.

[Sprout]

100% agree with you Varmint, although I feel it is on topic. The point is to show how poor perching or tethering incorrectly can cause problems. The condition of a hawk reflects the husbandry - whether that is the skills in the field or as in this post, the equipment used at home, it is all relevant.

[Jack Merlin]

100% agree with you Varmint, although I feel it is on topic. The point is to show how poor perching or tethering incorrectly can cause problems. The condition of a hawk reflects the husbandry - whether that is the skills in the field or as in this post, the equipment used at home, it is all relevant.

I purchased a three year old female goshawk in February last year. She had one intact tail feather and had been kept on one of those bow perches. All other tail feathers were broken mid way and her wing tips were abraided.

She was on the trolley from that time until last month and is now feather perfect and in my breeding aviary on two eggs (so far).

The tiercel gos has been on the trolley system for nearly four years, 24/7. In that time, he has been flown hard but he did tip one tail feather on a cock pheasant, otherwise feather perfect.

I'd attribute the condition of these birds to two things: One, the tethering, perching, etc. is checked very carefully to see that snags/tangles are near impossible. Second, they get fed a natural diet, wild rabbit and feral pigeon (yeah, I know!) so they have strong feathers which do not break even when subjected to some pretty severe treatment.

BTW, the tiercel flies at 1lb 12oz and 50% of his bird kills last season were wild cock pheasants; he has also taken plenty of rabbits average weight 3.5lbs.

These days I would not use a bow perch except as part of a trolley set up. I would consign every hemispherical steel bow perch to the scrap metal skip. Yes, I know lots of falconers use them and say there is no risk. I know others who take crack cocaine on the same philosophy.

[Varmint]

I have never personally used the trolly system but Francois, a good friend has for as long as i can rem, his birds are always immaculate, so it must be a good system that works, but not always practical for a smaller garden or weathering.

The post perch is the next best option in my opinion, and although the bird gets no where near the freedom it does on the trolley, the post system keeps them relaxed and immaculate!

I personally still use the steel perches without incident or injury to either feet, body or feathers. But then again your perch is only a small percentage of what keeping a bird in good condition is all about!

[Yarak1]

How do you explain tails like this?? Hunting?? Well my HH has crashed into plenty of cover this season and is still feather perfect so its either management or perching???
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/Sproutfalcon/imped.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/Sproutfalcon/yarakhawk.jpg

Both borrowed off a professional falconers website - birds with broken feathers in my opinion don't give the right image. It certainly doesn't look professional to me but if this is the forefront of falconry in this country then I'm worried. Yes accidents to feathers happen, but I certainly don't advertise it!!!! Glass houses?? Some one posted about the loss of traditional falconry skills and language a while ago, looks like the skill of imping has also been lost!! PMSL

Oh Sprout, so wrong again my friend......as usual jumped in the deep end as far as my centre is concerned...........

Not that I should have to explain myself to you again but I will...............

The pics you are referring to is ( Same bird in both pics) actually an 80 yr old man ( with not long to go)...........the bird is his sons bird..it was brought along to the centre for him to fly on a hawk walk for his 80th birthday after flying our owls.............he felt confident with this bird......... The bird WAS actually imped after this day by him on my advice.........His wife asked me to put the pic on the site to preserve his day..............Who am I to say NO

The pics below are MY birds.....All tethered and flown all year round.................Yes through the MOULT as well!!!!!!!!!!! these birds probably get tethered and flown more in 1 year than most peoples do in 4 years...and these are todays photos not old ones..especially taken just for you mate!!!!!!!!!!!!!......oh and the bathwater is fresh today, just in case you wanted to comment on that as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Yarak1]

And some more sprout!!!!!!!!!!! Not bad Sprout are they mate???..and all these birds fly on everyday possible weather permitting..............I would say the perching and husbandry is excellent wouldn't you?????????????? My birds actually fly as near to wild as I can make it for them..........and that means all year mate...........So going on that principle MY birds are near PERFECT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now **** off and pick on a subject you know about!!!!!!!!!!!

[FlameHairedFalconer]

Slightly off topic, but can someone point me to the thread where the trolley system was shown and discussed. I would like to use it for my female ferruginous after the moult.

Thanks

FHF

[Kevin Massey]

http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=10866&highlight=trolly+system

[FlameHairedFalconer]

Thanks Kev

FHF

[Kevin Massey]

if you goto search...it brings up a few more threads aswell

[AndyYounger]

Thats how the birds should look. anybody should be proud to show their birds at anytime. when i visited yarak i was surprised to find the birds all in excelent condition.
thats something you dont see very often. and i was having a good look to see what could be improved on,ie cleaning. and apart from the fresh mutes from that morning the place was immaculate.

And anyboby that wants to see how birds should be kept would do well to go and see yarakbirdsofprey.

Also if your gonna have a go at someone, make sure its justified and you can backyourself up. or as in this case, you look a dick by trying to slag someone with a small piece of innacurate dirt.

[Yarak1]

I see you have gone a bit quiet Sprout???????????????

[Yarak1]

Hmmm................

[Sprout]

Sorry mate, been busy, some of us have things to do and can't sit next to a computer all day! Nice photos of your birds anyway and yes good condition, why not use those advertising your company on the website instead, would give a far better impression?? For one I never mentioned your centre or say they were your birds did I?? My post was to show how bad husbandry can affect tails... thats all. For your information I was sent the pictures so didn't know they were on your site although I did LOL when someone then sent me the link later for the same pics. Whether they are your birds or not I don';t care but just think it doesn't look good on a professional falconers website.

[Yarak1]

Sorry mate, been busy, some of us have things to do and can't sit next to a computer all day! Nice photos of your birds anyway and yes good condition, why not use those advertising your company on the website instead, would give a far better impression?? For one I never mentioned your centre or say they were your birds did I?? My post was to show how bad husbandry can affect tails... thats all. For your information I was sent the pictures so didn't know they were on your site although I did LOL when someone then sent me the link later for the same pics. Whether they are your birds or not I don';t care but just think it doesn't look good on a professional falconers website.

Whatever Sprout...................Iv'e told you the reason the photo is there....................general public would not even notice..........................only picky people would who have nothing better to do...................and if your fellow falconer was so concerned he could have contacted me himself...............and why did you lol when you knew it was my site?????????????.says it all really doesn't it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jack Merlin]

Slightly off topic, but can someone point me to the thread where the trolley system was shown and discussed. I would like to use it for my female ferruginous after the moult.

Thanks

FHF

http://www.themodernapprentice.com

[Sprout]

Whatever Sprout...................Iv'e told you the reason the photo is there....................general public would not even notice..........................only picky people would who have nothing better to do...................
Thanks for putting me right then. Look on the positive side, I've now pointed this out for you, a minor flaw which I assume you overlooked. At least you can now edit the site and put a more professional image up if you want, so I was actually doing you a favour?

[Yarak1]

Thanks for putting me right then. Look on the positive side, I've now pointed this out for you, a minor flaw which I assume you overlooked. At least you can now edit the site and put a more professional image up if you want, so I was actually doing you a favour?

Read the post 3 above..................Don't do me any favours either.not required thanks!!!!

[Liam Hay]

Back to topic <g> I have used both types of bow and not found to greater difference but have seen my birds get caught up on the half circle perch, and so prefer a BOW perch like the ones BB makes or falconry originals make.

Yarak u r wrong to think the public won't noticed the tail feathers on a website, what do u think anti's look for??????

Liam

[Yarak1]

Back to topic <g> I have used both types of bow and not found to greater difference but have seen my birds get caught up on the half circle perch, and so prefer a BOW perch like the ones BB makes or falconry originals make.

Yarak u r wrong to think the public won't noticed the tail feathers on a website, what do u think anti's look for??????

Liam

But is broken feathers cruel??...............But also if people keep pointing out little things on here they will know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Plus.....I have seen alot worse than a few broken feathers on photos uploaded on to this forum...........................

[Liam Hay]

But is broken feathers cruel??...............But also if people keep pointing out little things on here they will know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

U r obviously very short sighted indeed

Liam

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

But is broken feathers cruel??...............But also if people keep pointing out little things on here they will know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Plus.....I have seen alot worse than a few broken feathers on photos uploaded on to this forum...........................
Playing devils advocate here Yarak1 the photos of the Harris are poor. People nowadays even the general public are so much more aware than they were say ten years ago due to their ease of access to animal based experts via the media. The photos do not do your set up any favours especialy when you take so much pride in it. The problem I have encountered with the bow originally posted is the round feet to the portable. If placed as many do on a surface that dosent allow some sort of sinkage due to the weight of the bow. They have a tendancey with more powerfull raptors to allow a correctly tethered bird to get the leash nipped under the round foot of the bow. This in worst case scenario can lead to a bird being effectively tethered to the ground trying to regain a perch and damaging its train. Just my first hand experience, I'd preffer flat feet. The quality of construction cant be questioned just the design. Broken feathers point as others have said to poor management but there are other reasons!!!