2001 Female Goshawk Egg Laying

[Hawkmaster]

Here is some scribbling I have done leading up to Cherry laying eggs. My first experience of it and it is absolutely brilliant.:supz:

I have tried for 4 years now and think it could have been done earlier, had I got enough experience, receive more, better, or some kind of different advice. Or actually doing Terry's course sooner.

01/04/2006 Did an AI Course with Terry Burden from Kentish Falconry.02/04/2006
Started behaving REALLY well
03/04/2006
Giving her smaller amounts at a time, one chick per visit, fed two for the day
04/04/2006
First chick today made her stand and wait to get it after having to careful touch her back but still wants to kill me
05/04/2006
Fed 2 docs again today visited her 5 times
06/04/2006
Took 3 Docs today and was a bit mean toward me on the 4th one so only gave a leg & head
07/04/2006
Today only offered 6 Doc legs to make her keener all started looking better and less aggression.
08/04/2006
Much better today starting to chup me well and tipping for me to inseminate, fed her 2 Docs
09/04/2006
Great day she is tipping up her tail, chupping me and calling all day for me to come visit her, made several small visits with food
10/04/2006
Today I saw he cloaca opening really well and a bit more swollen, it was also moving to accept semen. 3 Docs
11/04/2006
First call at AM and boy was her up for it, took the glove off and could even handle her fed her a quail in several bits.
12/04/2006
Displaying correctly for insemination and more swollen taking food so sweetly and seems like a new bird.
13/04/2006
Desperate for semen now as I think she is really ready but can not get hold of Angelo, worried. She is great though.
14/04/2006
Managed to get some from Angelo today, gave her most of it, 2.5 times the amount he said, rather easy and it sucked in very well
15/04/2006
Gave her the rest, very little. Got more in the late afternoon and gave her more about 3 1/2 loads
17/04/2006
Saw her brood spot today nice and pink. Gave her pure semen today about 2.5 times the amount at about 6PM
18/04/2006
Saw she was really swollen at about 4PM Yahoo!! 17AM Laying an egg now! Off to get semen ASAP. Could not give it to her too dark late and would not stand well.
19/04/2006
Inseminated her this morning at about AM Not as keen as I would have thought, but got it in well enough I think?
20/04/2006
Inseminated her at about 17AM Very easily taken and really swollen so looks like another egg is ready.
21/04/2006
She has laid another egg today, only found it at 12:AM, but she had been sitting tight since early about 9 am Gave her another insemination at about PM
22/04/2006
Wanting insemination from AM and standing very well. Fed her a quail. She is still very keen to be inseminated and it rather swollen and feels like another egg is due soon.

[GregMik]

This is awsome Paul!! Here is hopeing for many chicks!!:drinkers:

Greg

[Hawkmaster]

Cheers Greg!

Today she has been really keen to get me in there and entice me too give her some more of the good stuff but I do not have any till tomorrow now.

Here are some pictures of her on her nest.

[Finnish]

Come on Paul more pic's ... Good luck mate..

[GregMik]

Good pic, I see she is dropping feathers also.

Greg

[Hawkmaster]

Yes the first one that happen when I went in there!

[Tim Laycock]

Is that one of her moulted feathers in the nest Paul?

Another imprint exploding the myth that goshawks wont breed once they have started moulting :supz:

[Red-Devil]

Is that one of her moulted feathers in the nest Paul?

Another imprint exploding the myth that goshawks wont breed once they have started moulting :supz:
is she molting or are the feathers of her brood patch ? good luck with the eggs hm hope you caught them both

[Tim Laycock]

The feather in the nest to the right of her in the first pic looks a little large to have come from her brood patch!

[Red-Devil]

The feather in the nest to the right of her in the first pic looks a little large to have come from her brood patch!
lol did not see that one

[Goshawks00]

Most all of my goshawks females will pick up feathers that they are moulting and add them to their nests, sometimes spending a great amount of time to weave them in. Good job so far Paul. My first female is down on her eggs the second female is due her second egg tomorrow, and third female has three in the incubator.
Barry

[Hawkmaster]

Yes that is her feather.

Today she has really been calling me and comes of the nest to touch me up on the perch.

[Hawkmaster]

Inseminated her yesterday at 5 past 6 in the evening with about a 3 times dose.

Been calling a lot today from early in the morning. At about 9am I found her on another egg.
This is number 3:supz:

Noticed she was keen to let me inseminate too, as she got off the nest and was right up for it.

[Jastreb]

Excellent!
Do you live close to Angelo?

[Kentish Falconry]

lol did not see that one

Either put your glasses on Garry or stop drinking the good stuff
Terry

[Kentish Falconry]

Inseminated her yesterday at 5 past 6 in the evening with about a 3 times dose.

Been calling a lot today from early in the morning. At about 9am I found her on another egg.
This is number 3:supz:

Noticed she was keen to let me inseminate too, as she got off the nest and was right up for it.

Paul.....First may I say well done at least I now know 1 person actually listened to what I said on the course.
I am not a Goshawk specialist but the principal is the same.
However I have to say something about your insemination methods, the best way to get fertile eggs is by inseminating the correct size sample as many times a day as she will allow. If you give a larger sample most of it is wasted you are not doing a forced insemination so you will have plenty of chances to inseminate again, so little and often is the key, if you watch a natural pair they are copulating all the time and the sooner you can get semen into her after she lays the better chance you have of a fertile egg also inseminating before the egg is laid is good if she will allow it, other than that you are doing well and I am praying you are lucky with the fertility
ATB
Terry :supz: :supz:

[Sandeep]

Great Job... May the hawk god bless your bird with fertile eggs...:supz: :supz:

[Finnish]

Fingers crossed for you mate...:D

[Hawkmaster]

Excellent!
Do you live close to Angelo?
103 mile round trip to get the juice and come back home.:mad:
Paul.....First may I say well done at least I now know 1 person actually listened to what I said on the course.
I am not a Goshawk specialist but the principal is the same.
However I have to say something about your insemination methods, the best way to get fertile eggs is by inseminating the correct size sample as many times a day as she will allow. If you give a larger sample most of it is wasted you are not doing a forced insemination so you will have plenty of chances to inseminate again, so little and often is the key, if you watch a natural pair they are copulating all the time and the sooner you can get semen into her after she lays the better chance you have of a fertile egg also inseminating before the egg is laid is good if she will allow it, other than that you are doing well and I am praying you are lucky with the fertility
ATB
Terry
Yes I was afraid of spilling the semen Terry, so I give her a short shot and then mess around with the nesting material or the water or leave and come back in a minute or so and then she is ready again and pop in the rest. As you said she is better storing it in her, than what I can do it?
Great Job... May the hawk god bless your bird with fertile eggs...Ahhh Sandeep Thanks mate:oops:
Fingers crossed for you mate...
Cheers Bud, I really only want one to be able to say WOW she has done it!

[Jastreb]

Great job HM!
Cheers Viktor

[Hawkmaster]

Tonight between 7:45pm and 8:45pm Cherry laid her 4th egg, insemination for this one took place just before she laid number 3, so we will see if it is fertile?

She is siting tight now and will not let me inseminate her, so I will see if she is up for it tomorrow!

[Big JoeJoe]

Excellent stuff Paul really pleased for you mate. I would say the trip to Terrys to do the AI course really paid off for you.

Cheers Joe

[Adam Barrett]

Thanks very intresting thread mate- lovley pics :-)

[Tim Laycock]

There should definatly be something in the last egg if the semen was good Paul

[Hawkmaster]

Thanks Guys!

Yes that lot of semen was a real good batch. I had a lot yesterday that turned out to be totally blank, so she never got one and could not give her one today as I was running late and when I got the semen back here she was about to lay and did not want it.

We can only hope for the best:?:

All VERY exciting though and new:!: :-P

[Sandeep]

Major insemination going on there....:supz: :supz:

Wish you luck mate...

[Hawkmaster]

Gave her another single dose again today, only because I had it and paid for it.

She has been siting on those eggs really well now and only comes off for a drink, bath or some food. The brooding has begun:!: :lol:

[Red-Devil]

hawkmaster number your eggs 1-4 then put one up for auction on the site lets have a proper auction ,what do you reckon ?

[Jackson]

Hawkmaster - nice pics of the gos on the nhest with the eggs!! nice one!! hope all goes well for you!!

[Jastreb]

Great job, excellent!
Cheers Viktor

[Hawkmaster]

Thanks guys, I hope so too.
hawkmaster number your eggs 1-4 then put one up for auction on the site lets have a proper auction ,what do you reckon ?:supz: Yes at this rate if ALL goes well I may have too, boy can you imagine what a stir that would cause? What if somebody wins a clear one?:lol: This has been absolutely magic for me and I am loving the experience to tell the truth I love the bird even more now and just really want to fly her again, but will have to see what happens . . .

[Kentish Falconry]

Thanks guys, I hope so too.
:supz: Yes at this rate if ALL goes well I may have too, boy can you imagine what a stir that would cause? What if somebody wins a clear one?:lol: This has been absolutely magic for me and I am loving the experience to tell the truth I love the bird even more now and just really want to fly her again, but will have to see what happens . . .

Best of luck Paul, I hope all the cash and time you have put in pays off for you.
At least if nothing else you know you can both do it so there is always next year, but I am sure you have got it right this year so you may be a Daddy to 4 Goshawks with any luck
ATB
Terry:supz: :supz:

[Hawkmaster]

Thanks Terry, just went in to feed her again a minute ago, she seems to be eating tons more than usual, it was her second warm blooded:wink: quail of the day.

[Red-Devil]

Thanks guys, I hope so too.
:supz: Yes at this rate if ALL goes well I may have too, boy can you imagine what a stir that would cause? What if somebody wins a clear one?:lol: This has been absolutely magic for me and I am loving the experience to tell the truth I love the bird even more now and just really want to fly her again, but will have to see what happens . . .
but thats the fun of it you may get a female if your lucky or a male or nothing at all if your luck is like mine lol ,fingers crossed for you

[Fawkes]

Best of luck HM! Here's to hoping 4 goshawk chicks in a month or so!

[Hawkmaster]

Cheers guys!

She is really sitting well on the eggs now and I almost feel like I will bore everyone just repeating it.

I have however found she will not eat if I am not actually feeding her by hand, so the whole male roll seems to be something I need to take further with her. Is this normal?

It also helps to feed her on a one to one basis anyway, I think, as I can then be 100% sure the vitamins and supplements I am giving her are not wasted but really comsumed. I am also loving the gentleness of her something I have not had with her in 4 years, of trouble and strife:lol:

PS What is the earliest I could candle the eggs?

[Red-Devil]

Cheers guys!

She is really sitting well on the eggs now and I almost feel like I will bore everyone just repeating it.

I have however found she will not eat if I am not actually feeding her by hand, so the whole male roll seems to be something I need to take further with her. Is this normal?

It also helps to feed her on a one to one basis anyway, I think, as I can then be 100% sure the vitamins and supplements I am giving her are not wasted but really comsumed. I am also loving the gentleness of her something I have not had with her in 4 years, of trouble and strife:lol:

PS What is the earliest I could candle the eggs?
around 10 days you should be able to see embryo starting to develope ,dont hold over candler for to long though

[M & J Raptors]

Cheers guys!

She is really sitting well on the eggs now and I almost feel like I will bore everyone just repeating it.

I have however found she will not eat if I am not actually feeding her by hand, so the whole male roll seems to be something I need to take further with her. Is this normal?

It also helps to feed her on a one to one basis anyway, I think, as I can then be 100% sure the vitamins and supplements I am giving her are not wasted but really comsumed. I am also loving the gentleness of her something I have not had with her in 4 years, of trouble and strife:lol:

PS What is the earliest I could candle the eggs?

6 days for gos eggs.

[Hawkmaster]

Ahhh, thanks that would be today then.:lol:

Here is a picture of the semen donor!

[Red-Devil]

Ahhh, thanks that would be today then.:lol:

Here is a picture of the semen donor!
how much did semen cost ?

[Hawkmaster]

£60 a pop. The straws varied from 2.5 times the amount to about 4 times, considering say 50 ul is one shot.

[Red-Devil]

£60 a pop. The straws varied from 2.5 times the amount to about 4 times, considering say 50 ul is one shot.
is that £60 X4 for whole clutch

[Hawkmaster]

No I paid a total of £420 for the semen. So I just got charged £60 per straw and sometimes there was more in and other times less.

[PeregrinesUK]

Any luck with candling the eggs mate? Fingers crossed for you! Mike

[Hawkmaster]

Tried them with the Brinsea, but could not make anything out, could just see the yolk a bit. So not sure or it is not looking good.

It may also be my imagination but I think the eggs are heavier, but I never weighed them so can't tell.

[Red-Devil]

Tried them with the Brinsea, but could not make anything out, could just see the yolk a bit. So not sure or it is not looking good.

It may also be my imagination but I think the eggs are heavier, but I never weighed them so can't tell.
eggs should get lighter?

[Hawkmaster]

I know but as I said not sure:(
My live is SO busy at the moment I am thinking what happens happens? I took a gamble and the semen from the male is good and many people have used it and had good results, so we will see.

According to folks that know I have done enough to get fertile eggs.

If I get one I will be happy, it is just the achievement thing really.

[Red-Devil]

give it another week then have a look ,from what i have been told gos eggs are thick sheled and are hard to candle

[Red-Devil]

any news hm ?

[Shikra]

Looking forward to see the eggs to fertile and then hatch day by day as she laid them… Best Of Luck :)

[Finnish]

Hawkmaster borrowed my candler today so he is going to check the eggs tonight. So fingers crossed.

[Finnish]

First egg infertile:cry:

[Finnish]

ok second egg fertile third egg fertile forth egg fertile....:supz: :supz:

Paul is over the moon....

[BrianM]

charge on mate

[Albie]

Good on ya Paul, Oh and Cherry too!!

[Tim Laycock]

1/4 of the way there then :supz: :supz: :supz:

[Mayersie]

Brilliant Paul, well done

[Aristiri]

Fantastic paul really pleased for you! :supz:
Now are you sure you cant spare one?? :grin:

[Red-Devil]

you can auction one of the eggs now then what do you reckon ,well done!!!!

[Tim Laycock]

you can auction one of the eggs now then what do you reckon ,well done!!!!

If its a fertile one my first bid is £50 :yawinkle:

[Red-Devil]

£100 over here

[Tim Laycock]

£200 :yawinkle:

[Red-Devil]

£250

[Tim Laycock]

£300 :lol:
(Hatched :yawinkle: )

[Red-Devil]

£300 :lol:
(Hatched :yawinkle: )
ok you win the first hatched ,1 more to auction of hm ,,£!00 bid:supz: :weedman:

[Ladyhawk]

When are they due to hatch?

[Finnish]

They have hatched looks like two males and one female. He will sale them as imprints if any body is interested pm me for details...:D

[Wilfred]

They have hatched looks like two males and one female. He will sale them as imprints if any body is interested pm me for details...:D

I am just reading this treat last time was when the first egg was laid..found it one of the greatest posts to read here really. And I am very pleased and happy for Hawkmaster with this excellent results! in fact friend of mine breeds goshawk naturally well as far as possible and i also follow his developments each year. It it one of the greatest if not the greatest experience especially for falconers having only one or a few birds they breed with. Am looking forward to more information and pictures about the developments! And wish Hawkmaster all the best but since the 3 eggs all hatched the rest will probably go very fine not many risks anymore. Really great and all the best for now!

[Ladyhawk]

Just spoke to Hawkmaster, he can be contacted on 01803-310146 or 01803-310660 and he is in a position to offer some lucky person a male or female 3/4 Finnish baby Gos at the right money. There are only the two left one female got eaten by mum and the other two.

He has split up with his partner and needs to move them asap. The birds were hatched on the 02nd and are ready to go now for imprinting!

COME ON GUYS!

[MickeyDredd]

He has split up with his partner and needs to move them asap.

COME ON GUYS!

So the April fool wasnt a wind-up after all then!! ;) :lol:

[Big JoeJoe]

So the April fool wasnt a wind-up after all then!! ;) :lol:

lol You have a good memory Mick lol

[MickeyDredd]

lol You have a good memory Mick lol

Only for the ridiculous Joe :roll:

oh, and eighties music!! :lol:

[Finnish]

Paul has one female and one male for sale. £1000.00 and £500.00.

[OutFlying]

Should have taken the offer :lol:

[GoneHawking]

Were you after the female Jim? what ages are they?

Mark

[Finnish]

14 days old.....

[GoneHawking]

cheers Lee

Someone will have them for imprinting no doubt.


Mark

[Finnish]

Are you still looking Jim. Just spoke he might change his mined...:yawinkle:

[OutFlying]

Is it definately a female ?

Jim.

[Finnish]

Thats what he told me mate...:D

[OutFlying]

Let me know Lee, what he wants to do.

Jim.

[Hawkmaster]

Hi there Guys!

I still have two birds a male and a female and am REALLY looking for them to go now!

I will either sell them at them right money or I will be prepared to let them go out on loan.

Cheers Paul
01803-310410 or 07947885698