running bar system

[Merger]

Here is my much debated running bar system for my harris,s sort of self explanatory really but any replies welcomed, this is the mark 5 version!! and have used only for 4 years, but no problems so far, thanks again to gregmik.

[Harris]

Where is it?

[Red-Devil]

Where is it?
must of ran of

[Yarak1]

Here is my much debated running bar system for my harris,s sort of self explanatory really but any replies welcomed, this is the mark 5 version!! and have used only for 4 years, but no problems so far, thanks again to gregmik.

That's brilliant Merger....... can't see that ever snagging!! :-P

[Hells99]

nah, it's camouflaged so the neighbours can't complain about it being an eyesore! :yawinkle:

[Yarak1]

Palest phase of harris I have ever seen Merger...to be honest you wouldn't even know it was there....:grin:

[AndyYounger]

i presume it can be used for bigger and smaller birds but i am struggling to tell the sizes from the photo:lol:

[Harris]

i presume it can be used for bigger and smaller birds but i am struggling to tell the sizes from the photo:lol:

The White one on the left is the big one mate (the one on the white leash) hope that helps :yawinkle: :lol:

[AndyYounger]

how could i have missed that one! :lol:

[Yarak1]

Or could it just be very foggy?......:-|

[Johnny Abbott]

Here is my much debated running bar system for my harris,s sort of self explanatory really but any replies welcomed, this is the mark 5 version!! and have used only for 4 years, but no problems so far, thanks again to gregmik.what are we looking at

[Merger]

thanks greg.

[StormRider]

I like the look of that system. Ive looked and looked and cant see what problems if any the bird would have. The only pointer I could give would be to lower the height of the running bar so the birds tail would not hit it when perched (or raise the perch).
I might just give this one a try unles someone can pick out any fatal flaws.
STU

[PeregrinesUK]

Jack Merlin uses a similar method for his goshawks only instead of the bar he uses a tensioned wire this method is very popular across europe personally I like the look of it would be worth a try.

[Claire]

i use a tensioned wire and a very light ring on it for my kestrel, it just gives her access to shelter and shade if she wants it, she is fully enclosed though I'm too worried about cats. It also reasures me that if something goes wrong and breaks she still wont be going anywhere

[Merger]

The bar is 8 inches from ground.because hawks use bar as perch as well, so have to keep tail of ground. so ok, inside box is a rubber matt wrapped around the bar held on wiht cable ties ,tried wire went slack, also bar provides another perching surface, whole thing can be pressure washed, flip over doors with groove cut out for bar,bar goes thro hole in back of box, then drilled thro splitpin hold, upturned plastic pot, filled with concrete, bar goes thro hole, pot held down with peg,completely transportable, no problems as yet.

[Adam Barrett]

do you not expience any tail damage with this setup?
Not a dig as iam intrested myself in a similar setup.

Cheers
Adam

[Merger]

Never, birds are on this 24/7 and flown all year,if they bate wich is very rare, they bate between perches!!

[FlameHairedFalconer]

Excellent, more food for thought for the ferru next season.

FHF

[Merger]

Im thinking of making another for my eagle, only on a bigger scale and parralell to a wall, scaffolld pole as bar, no more than eight feet should be used for bar, so bird cannot gain to much speed!! the beauty of this in the summer is exellent, the birds are out ,bathed and preening on a nice day, before I even get out of bed!!!

[Parabuteo.de]

Your running Bar is similar to our German "Flugdrahtanlage".
There are dozends of good designs of such things published
in german falconry literature.

So if you want to see some other running bar/trolley system
setup possibilities I might be able to help.

All the Best,

Claas :o))

[Merger]

Yes I believe it is a german Idea, Ive only seen wire bieng used so far to date, its a system that works , you just need to keep enhancing it, so it becomes better and better!

[ScotsFalconer]

no offence but i think it looks dreadful

[Merger]

Believe me Ive seen birds kept on far worse than this!!what exactly looks dreadfull?

[GregMik]

no offence but i think it looks dreadful

Care to elaborate?

Greg

[Altai]

It is not the look of the thing that is important, it is how good it is for the bird.
Great idea.

[Liam Hay]

looks a good idea to me and would like to try it some time

[Ellis]

Forgive my ignorance in this, I have read threads in simular systems useing wire, i thought it was important to have a solid object behind the green block perches to stop the bird constantly attempting to possibly fly past the perches causing leg damage. Im not particularly knowledgable:oops: just curiouse.

[Merger]

Two things may be used to eliminate over shoot, Ive done both,heavier ring,,max distance between perches,7 foot,no problems so far,feel free all of you to keep enhancing this Idea,it can only get better,just let us know!!

[Jackson]

looks good merger!! have you got any close up pics so we can see how it works etc?

[Merger]

I will see what Ive got, and if I can get gregmik, to resize them.

[GregMik]

You are going to have to work on getting yourself a pic editor so you can do it yourself.:lol:

Greg

[StormRider]

As I have said before I think this system looks great. I am really considering this system for the future and would like to se more.
Haway Merger lets see some more pics. Feed me!
STU

[Merger]

One of the biggest problems I had when setting this up, was trying to find an 8 foot aliminium pole, someone told me the weekend they had no problem,, they used 32mm copper water pipe,,s**t was I jealous!!!

[Sprout]

Wheres the pics? I cant see anything??

[Parabuteo.de]

Hello,

here are some pictures of a German trolley system.
There should be some kind of bumpers at the and
of the wire/tube whatever you use.

Greetings,

Claas :o))

[Merger]

Sorry sprout there was a picture on here, looks like its dissapeared, thats why someone said it looks awfull, dont know were its gone, I think finnish put it up!!or gregmik.

[Sprout]

Always willing to try new ideas. Might give it a go this year with the HH

[Jack Merlin]

Hello,

here are some pictures of a German trolley system.
There should be some kind of bumpers at the and
of the wire/tube whatever you use.

Greetings,

Claas :o))

There is a picture and description of the set-up I use at http://www.themodernapprentice.com

I haven't found the need for any bumpers. The A frame huts on the ends prevent the birds from over-flying. Not sure if it is the layout, but I find my birds tend to fly outwards, pulling the ring on the wire at an angle, when they fly from end to end, and it "gives" too so there is no sudden shock in practice. The ring travelling along the wire also causes drag which also helps to exercise the bird (like weight training!). Sometimes the bird tries to land on the side of the hut, but it just slides down the sloping roof and no harm is done. Of course, everything needs to be carefully designed or I'm sure a hawk would be able to damage itself -- but traditional perches are ten times worse in my opinion.

This idea came to me from Henri Desmonts and I believe the idea is actually quite an old one, probably using rope instead of wire in the original design.

[Merger]

Yes I read about many years ago, but first saw it in use round Francia Desmonts, his brother in Crief!!!! What a character!! A hunter of the true order.

[PeregrinesUK]

Never, birds are on this 24/7 and flown all year,if they bate wich is very rare, they bate between perches!!


This is why i think they would be an excellent system for a p/r gos

[Merger]

I have posted new pics to finnish, dont know why they would dissapear off the thread!

[Parabuteo.de]

There is a picture and description of the set-up I use at http://www.themodernapprentice.com

I haven't found the need for any bumpers. The A frame huts on the ends prevent the birds from over-flying. Not sure if it is the layout, but I find my birds tend to fly outwards, pulling the ring on the wire at an angle, when they fly from end to end, and it "gives" too so there is no sudden shock in practice. The ring travelling along the wire also causes drag which also helps to exercise the bird (like weight training!). Sometimes the bird tries to land on the side of the hut, but it just slides down the sloping roof and no harm is done. Of course, everything needs to be carefully designed or I'm sure a hawk would be able to damage itself -- but traditional perches are ten times worse in my opinion.

This idea came to me from Henri Desmonts and I believe the idea is actually quite an old one, probably using rope instead of wire in the original design.

Hi Derry,

you are right, at the end of the trolley system near to the A-Frame huts you dont need a bumper. But at the other end a bumper might be very usefull. It reduces the stress at the legs of the bop and keeps sure that he does not hurt himself while trying to catch some possible prey near to the end of the trolley system.

You are also right that they will drag the ring not horizontally, but in a small angle so that some stress will be brought back into the trolley itself.

The trolley system should not be longer than 6 Metres and not shorter than 3 Metres for big bop. NEVER build a trolley for a spar/coopers longer than 4-5 Metres, because they could break their legs due to crashing into the end, even when its bumpered.

There are dozends of trolley desings publicated in german falconry books, but the A frame hut is the most popular.

Could post some more if there is some interest inside the forum!

All the best,

Claas :o)

[OutFlying]

Claas,
Please show the other designs.

Jim.

[OutFlying]

Claas,
Please show the other designs.

Jim.

[Parabuteo.de]

Hi there,

her is another possibility. Taken out of a very good
GDR Falconry Book, specialized on the Goshawk, beacause
in the GDR the Gos was probaly the best available and legal
gamehawk.

All the best,

Claas

More designs coming soon!

[Jack Merlin]

Hi Derry,

you are right, at the end of the trolley system near to the A-Frame huts you dont need a bumper. But at the other end a bumper might be very usefull. It reduces the stress at the legs of the bop and keeps sure that he does not hurt himself while trying to catch some possible prey near to the end of the trolley system.

You are also right that they will drag the ring not horizontally, but in a small angle so that some stress will be brought back into the trolley itself.

The trolley system should not be longer than 6 Metres and not shorter than 3 Metres for big bop. NEVER build a trolley for a spar/coopers longer than 4-5 Metres, because they could break their legs due to crashing into the end, even when its bumpered.

There are dozends of trolley desings publicated in german falconry books, but the A frame hut is the most popular.

Could post some more if there is some interest inside the forum!

All the best,

Claas :o)

Hi Claas,

I have A frame huts at both ends of the wire because up here (north of Scotland) the weather can be quite severe, especially the wind. The hawks can choose which end they shelter in according to the wind direction! This also eliminates the problem of the hawk over-flying the end of the wire and causing some damage.

Yes, please post more ideas!