Can our Private PM'S be read by the Mods????

[Yarak1]

I have just been notified that our PM'S can be read by admin on this forum...................If this is true then that is not right!!!!!!!!!......

A PM is just that..A private message!!!....................

So can someone verify if this is true or not?????????????:-|

[Dave G]

hi jon this was brought up not long ago as the same was said but the answer came back they the mods did not read or want to read pms ???,

[Yarak1]

hi jon this was brought up not long ago as the same was said but the answer came back they the mods did not read or want to read pms ???,

Hi mate, yes but can they read them?.........not reading or not wanting to is totally different from being able to?......:-|

[Harris]

Hi mate, yes but can they read them?.........not reading or not wanting to is totally different from being able to?......:-|

Yes mate they can!

[Dave G]

yes they can ?? as i was told too

[Yarak1]

Yes mate they can!

Then that is totally wrong then..a private message should be just that.......PRIVATE !!!!!!!!!!

[Darren]

administrators & owners of any site can access your PM's & read them if they want

[Yarak1]

administrators & owners of any site can access your PM's & read them if they want

But that is wrong is it not??????????

[Darren]

no it isnt wrong.....the owners own the site & the PM's....just like at work your boss & IT admin team can access all your emails if they wish.

[Harris]

Then that is totally wrong then..a private message should be just that.......PRIVATE !!!!!!!!!!

What you need to remember John, is that any message sent via a computer, ie. Email etc is insecure. PMs work in a similar way to email, and can therefor be read by anyone who can intercept them. I am sure that the Admins have no cause to read PMs, but if someone was being harrassed via pm then the messages could be read by admin inorder to monitor them etc. Remember Admins have access to every part of the forum and its various components, such as PMs and profiles

[Jester]

isnt this more of a "friday night" sort of thread ??:rolleyes:



I dunno if they can or cant read them or not and im not really bothered to be honest. If i want to send something privately i will send by email instead :cool:

[GriffMJ]

Yes its is wrong if this is true? If this is the case then I advise that you switch your e-mail option "ON" (so that you can be e-mailed directly from the post or thread) and e-mail only from now on.

Scenario
If, as a sponsor, I conduct the beginings of a business deal via PM .... then a MOD sympathetic to a competitor could give him the tip off by reading my PM's and he/she could act on this information.

** The above is hyperthetical and I do not think that this would or has happened.

[PDF]

In the current climate of fear of terrorism, I wouldn't send any message I expected to keep private by a computer system - it's not only the mods you have to worry about reading your emails, even the Egg marketing inspectorate may be keeping an eye on you.

http://comment.zdnet.co.uk/mattloney/0,39020679,39116403,00.htm

[Hells99]

I consider 'private messaging' to be just what it says on the box. If it's not, then it's very misleading and dishonest.

[Harris]

I consider 'private messaging' to be just what it says on the box. If it's not, then it's very misleading and dishonest.

The term " Private Message" simply means that the message will not appear in the public forum.

[Kevin Massey]

i have raised this question on many a time and also i was sent that link aswell yarak....

private messages can't be read on the iff

[Hells99]

Thank you for clearing that up Mass. Helen

[Harris]

i have raised this question on many a time and also i was sent that link aswell yarak....

private messages can't be read on the iff

Kev, as an IT Consultant I find that hard to believe! I am not saying you are wrong, but possibly missinformed. :yawinkle:

[Finnish]

Yes mate they can!

Tell me how they can be read then. You obviously no more about this site than i do...

[Berkut]

As far I am concerned ,if I cannot send a pm,in the knowledge that it is just that, I shall leave the forum.
I normally keep myself to myself,but I joined the forum to exchange experiences and opinions with like-minded falconers.
I will not enter into any ******** or personal attacks on individuals and if asked about such ,I WILL DO IT BY PRIVATE MESSAGE and not on the public forum.
I think we need to clarify the position here.
As far as I an concerned there should be no explanation required, just look at what these messages are called. " Private Messages ".
I rest my case.
Concise Dictionary
PRIVATE - "not public,kept or withdrawn from publicity or observation,
secret,confidential "

[Kevin Massey]

i believe there is a mod that can be added to v-bulletin boards.....

however missinformed i am not neither forum admin or the mods cant see private messages.....as for sparrow i can't say

kev

[Harris]

Tell me how they can be read then. You obviously no more about this site than i do...


You see this is the kind of sarcastic stroppy reply I have come to expect on this forum, and by people who should know better.

I don't know your system mate, so can't be precise. but as an IT consultant for over 10 years, I have never come accross any "forum" or system where messages are passed between recipients, that cannot be intercepted and read at some stage.

So no I don't know more about YOUR forum than you, and have never proffessed to, but was giving what I beleive I am entitled to do on a public forum and this is give my opinion based on experience and vast knowledge.

Sorry if this pi***s you off.:twisted:

[PDF]

The admins have a legal responsibility for all information that is sent across their site - to that extent it is necessary for them to be able to read all messages, private or othrewise.

If the messages couldn't be read it would be an ideal place for terrorists, paedophiles and other criminals to conduct their business safe in the knowledge that the messages are well and truly private.

Unless the data is securely encrypted (and this site doesn't register as a secure site on my browser), then work on the basis it can be read by anyone.

PS I'm with Harris on this one

[Harris]

i believe there is a mod that can be added to v-bulletin boards.....

however missinformed i am not neither forum admin or the mods cant see private messages.....as for sparrow i can't say

kev

Cheers Kev, that wasn't a personal jibe at you m8, is just my opinion based on experience and knowledge thats all, something which others don't like.:roll:

[Hawkmaster]

YAWN!!!

Same old thread, just read the last 100 of them, I can't be bothered, how many times must we say they can't be read?

[Harris]

The admins have a legal responsibility for all information that is sent across their site - to that extent it is necessary for them to be able to read all messages, private or othrewise.

If the messages couldn't be read it would be an ideal place for terrorists, paedophiles and other criminals to conduct their business safe in the knowledge that the messages are well and truly private.

Unless the data is securely encrypted (and this site doesn't register as a secure site on my browser), then work on the basis it can be read by anyone.

PS I'm with Harris on this one


THANKYOU!

[Kevin Massey]

Cheers Kev, that wasn't a personal jibe at you m8, is just my opinion based on experience and knowledge thats all, something which others don't like.:roll:

i know that....and i have viewed that link to the v-bulletin boards aswell....all i can say is what i see....and im sure to clear this up paul could give anyone mod/admin status to some one for a moment or two to prove this

[Harris]

YAWN!!!

Same old thread, just read the last 100 of them, I can't be bothered, how many times must we say they can't be read?

Paul, if you were approached by the police, and told that a paedophile was operating on this site and they wanted to monitor PMs sent by them, What would you say?

[PDF]

YAWN!!!

Same old thread, just read the last 100 of them, I can't be bothered, how many times must we say they can't be read?

Cool, I can use the site for my sideline in money-laundering. :lol:

[Finnish]

You see this is the kind of sarcastic stroppy reply I have come to expect on this forum, and by people who should know better.

I don't know your system mate, so can't be precise. but as an IT consultant for over 10 years, I have never come accross any "forum" or system where messages are passed between recipients, that cannot be intercepted and read at some stage.

So no I don't know more about YOUR forum than you, and have never proffessed to, but was giving what I beleive I am entitled to do on a public forum and this is give my opinion based on experience and vast knowledge.

Sorry if this pi***s you off.:twisted:

Does not p**s me off just as Paul said same old boring thread...

[Harris]

I think the missunderstanding is! that mods and admin have access to PMs by default, which I do not think this is true, but there is a way admins can view Pms, which is simple, admins can if required (by Law) change a users password so that their account can be logged into in order to view messages. that being the least technical way it could be done. so the answer to the question is YES, although I doubt they would ever do it unless told to by Police etc. and even if they did have free access, I don't see any reason why they would want to.

[Claire]

does it really matter? If you are that worried send by e-mail, personally it really wouldn't bother me

[Kevin Massey]

what you say is true....however you would know if your password has been changed...cos you could'nt log in

[Kevin Massey]

does it really matter? If you are that worried send by e-mail, personally it really wouldn't bother me

:supz:

[Harris]

what you say is true....however you would know if your password has been changed...cos you could'nt log in

Yes I agree, was just tryin to put this back into proportion. :yawinkle:

[Joey]

ya could read mine it wouldnt bother me just tell me if your doing it



joey:cool:

[PDF]

Just go to the vbulletin website & search their forum for the ability admins to read PMs - you'll find several methods.

As far as I'm concerned, it's not a problem one way or another - if I wanted something kept truly private then I wouldn't use a forum (or email) to send the message.

But the answer to the question is that PMs can be read in a variety of ways.

[Jack Merlin]

Just go to the vbulletin website & search their forum for the ability admins to read PMs - you'll find several methods.

As far as I'm concerned, it's not a problem one way or another - if I wanted something kept truly private then I wouldn't use a forum (or email) to send the message.

But the answer to the question is that PMs can be read in a variety of ways.

Doesn't bother me either.

Logically, if they can change a password to read pm's, then they can change it back afterwards!

I think this would be a necessity, as it might be alleged (for example) that someone was using the forum to distribute child porn and in that situation forum moderators/owners might be implicated. If you are doing that, better get worried!<g>

[Harris]

Doesn't bother me either.

Logically, if they can change a password to read pm's, then they can change it back afterwards!



No the passwords are encrypted so they wouldn't know what the original password was.

and just for the record, I am not bothered either if they read my PMs, as they are just full of worthless banter that I don't want to clog the forum up with. :yawinkle:

[Kevin Massey]

harris you are correct....but this is the same for most forums....

but its a lot of hastle to look at a pm aint it.

[Harris]

harris you are correct....but this is the same for most forums....

but its a lot of hastle to look at a pm aint it.

Yes I agree with you, and I don't think for one minute that any of you have either the time or the inclination to do so! but was trying to point out that it is possible, so ultimately the answer to Johns question is YES you can, but as you said it would involve a lot of head work! :yawinkle:

[Dave G]

ive just read some ones pm ??? opssss it was set too me :rolleyes: pmsl

[Degadar]

Why worry wether or not the IFF can read PM's when your ISP can, their ISP can, the prime minister and all his ladies and gentlemen can, as do the police, the Inland Revenue, Customs and Excise and probably a dozen other organisations on top.

If security is a concern - get PGP

Deg.

[Harris]

ive just read some ones pm ??? opssss it was set too me :rolleyes: pmsl

Was that the one about................................. :lol: PMSL

[Dave G]

yep that was the one about ????? dont think i should have read it but ******** to it :rolleyes:

[Harris]

Why worry wether or not the IFF can read PM's when your ISP can, their ISP can, the prime minister and all his ladies and gentlemen can, as do the police, the Inland Revenue, Customs and Excise and probably a dozen other organisations on top.

If security is a concern - get PGP

Deg.

Totaly agree, but I think the concern is that it could lead to issues for people doing business on the IFF "if", (and I use that term hyperthetically) certain people had access to PMs.

[PDF]

Why worry wether or not the IFF can read PM's when your ISP can, their ISP can, the prime minister and all his ladies and gentlemen can, as do the police, the Inland Revenue, Customs and Excise and probably a dozen other organisations on top.
Deg.

Don't forget the Egg Marketing Inspectorate !! :roll:

[PDF]

Totaly agree, but I think the concern is that it could lead to issues for people doing business on the IFF "if", (and I use that term hyperthetically) certain people had access to PMs.

Mmm - would these same people ask the admins/mods if they could go around to their house and borrow their phone to conduct their business. :)

[Ben C]

This has gone on so many times as to be SOOOOOOOOOOOO boring.

I give you permission to read my PM's......there you go!!!! :heart: :supz: :supz: :supz:

[Harris]

Mmm - would these same people ask the admins/mods if they could go around to their house and borrow their phone to conduct their business. :)


What?:confused:

[Kevin Massey]

This has gone on so many times as to be SOOOOOOOOOOOO boring.

I give you permission to read my PM's......there you go!!!! :heart: :supz:

pmsl...ben i do like your style:P

[Dave G]

rite clip scroll open ben c pms mmmmmmm all sorts on there tut tut, not nice ?? thought you liked him mmmm. interesting ??? pmsl cheers ben c good reading m8 thanx

[PDF]

This has gone on so many times as to be SOOOOOOOOOOOO boring.

I give you permission to read my PM's......there you go!!!! :heart: :supz: :supz: :supz:

Just suprises me how many people expect that any use of the internet is in any way or form private.

[Joey]

they can read them and thats the end of it we have all done the agreements thing so were on there site



joey

[Degadar]

Quite right pdf - it can be done, but it's not easy. And since that Chinese lady cracked SHA1 a few months back...

Just suprises me how many people expect that any use of the internet is in any way or form private.

[Jester]

i got an idea :!:


why dont we just disable the PM option and then nobody will get their Pms read :supz:

[Kevin Massey]

dont be daft....how you gonna complain to a moderator:lol:

[Harris]

dont be daft....how you gonna complain to a moderator:lol:


You could just put up a BIG RED Complain button! PMSL

[Kevin Massey]

ive allready had my in box increesed from 50 to 250:rolleyes:

[Claire]

surely if you don't do anything illeagal and tell people by pm or sell pirate copys of dvd's by pm you have nothing to worry about, I've sent the odd photo by pm which I wouldn't have put on the forum :oops: but it wouldn't have bothered me if even those were read by others lol

[Hacker]

And what sort of photo`s are these then Claire?
:goodman:

[Hawkmaster]

I've sent the odd photo by pm which I wouldn't have put on the forum :oops: but it wouldn't have bothered me if even those were read by others lol

Damm! Now I am sorry we can't read them:!:
Can you send them to me any way?:lol:

[Joey]

And what sort of photo`s are these then Claire?
:goodman:i would like to know to lol:supz:


joey

[Claire]

ha ha ha ha no that was a very drunken night and not likely to be repeated lol

[Joey]

if i take you out will it be repeated lol but be warned i stay out for atleast 2days



joey

[Hawkmaster]

I think you need to put pictures up here first Joey, so we can see if you are good enough for or Claire:supz:

[Joey]

am off me barnet on the rate the member thread lol
and shes abit far for me too lol

joey

[Hawkmaster]

Where is the link then?

[Joey]

here i am off me barnett

[Ben C]

Wasn't me..................PMSL

[Hawkmaster]

UKJay

[Hells99]

Figures

[Harris]

Sparrow, this thread was about if you are able to do so, not if you do or don't, I don't think anyone is accusing anyone of doing so, only trying to accertain if it is possible thats all.:yawinkle:

[Yarak1]

Oh shut up please!!!

Admin team can change people's password and get into somebody's account and so read messages, but they would not know how to change it back, and such action would be detected (and all admin actions are logged).

I, as the technical admin, can obviously trawl through the database and decipher messages, but since I'm in noway involved in Falconry I have no motive nor interest in doing so. Life is too short.

If the day come when a court order land on my door step requesting details of private messages for some sort of evidence, I'd rather trash the database and shut down everything we simply can't afford to get involved like that, but it is theoretically possible.

So in short... NO! Nobody is reading anybody else's private messages. Nobody ever did, and nobody will. Whoever is spreading this rumour is talking cr*p and just wants to stir up trouble.

Hi Sparrow, just talked to the boss and everything has been explained to my satisfaction....................

Please close the thread..............Cheers, John.