Yarak1 Has left the forum?

[Harris]

No comments, but would like confirmation!

[Midland hawker]

can some one tell me why he,s leaving or thinking of leaving every time i miss the weekend some one leaves i spoke to john not long back over the phone he helped me loads and gave me some great advice are the weekends doomed on the iff :rolleyes:

[Hawkmaster]

Yes he asked to be removed. A pity as he is a top bloke with loads of knowledge and experience with a great centre and has, and will, still offer the falconry community a huge wealth in every way.

If anyone else would like to be removed either publically on the open forum or by PM, please drop me a line. Donations and sponsorship money will be refunded pro rata.

This is a falconry forum, not a place to discuss and force an enquiry about every thread or edited post.

I will also not be challenged, threatened or have implied remarks about my actions. If you want to leave and say so, I will do it there and then.

Any takers?:lol:

[Bod]

http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=11757

"All animals are equal but some are more equal than others"

[Stewigan]

Yes he asked to be removed. A pity as he is a top bloke with loads of knowledge and experience with a great centre and has, and will, still offer the falconry community a huge wealth in every way.

If anyone else would like to be removed either publically on the open forum or by PM, please drop me a line. Donations and sponsorship money will be refunded pro rata.

This is a falconry forum, not a place to discuss and force an enquiry about every thread or edited post.

I will also not be challenged, threatened or have implied remarks about my actions. If you want to leave and say so, I will do it there and then.

Any takers?:lol:
thast a bit over the top hawkmaster! someone just asked why he has left. is it such a delicate issue? but i agree there seems to be alot of coming and going at the minute

[The Ninja]

thast a bit over the top hawkmaster!

Seems to be par for the course.

[GosFlyer]

This is a falconry forum, not a place to discuss and force an enquiry about every thread or edited post.

I will also not be challenged, threatened or have implied remarks about my actions. If you want to leave and say so, I will do it there and then.

Any takers?:lol:


what have i missed, seems like from this statement hawkmaster is about to chuck teddy out of the pram,:cry:

[Hawkmaster]

thast a bit over the top hawkmaster!Unfortunately it is part of my nature, like the scorpion that stung the frog!
seems to be alot of coming and going at the minuteCorrect and we need to get back to falconry, not moaning about the the site, threads and posts!

[Harris]

Yes he asked to be removed. A pity as he is a top bloke with loads of knowledge and experience with a great centre and has, and will, still offer the falconry community a huge wealth in every way.

If anyone else would like to be removed either publically on the open forum or by PM, please drop me a line. Donations and sponsorship money will be refunded pro rata.

This is a falconry forum, not a place to discuss and force an enquiry about every thread or edited post.

I will also not be challenged, threatened or have implied remarks about my actions. If you want to leave and say so, I will do it there and then.

Any takers?:lol:


Is that a Threat? I could comment on this Paul as I watched the whole thread, but I wil bite my tounge for now. and see how this develops

[Hawkmaster]

what have i missed, seems like from this statement hawkmaster is about to chuck teddy out of the pram,:cry:Yip sick and tired of peoples attitudes and change needs to start somewhere or EVERYTHING NEEDS TO STOP! Hope you enjoy the ride?:lol:

[Midland hawker]

hi hawkmaster ive read the other posts now all i was doing was asking a question cause i hadn,t seen the other posts hope i haven,t offended anybody as this was noy my intentions :oops:

[Ned]

listen hawkmaster,quote,i will not be challenged or threatened any takers. who do you think you are,the teacher,its you thats issuing the threats nobody else.p.s. were not here to enjoy the ride.

[Claire]

he is the owner of the site, its up to him how he runs it, i'm sure if you start your own forum you will be able to make all the rules and decisions, yarak1 asked to be removed, I for one will miss his contribution but he was not banned it was his decision

[AndyYounger]

hi Hawkmaster ive read the other posts now all i was doing was asking a question cause i hadn,t seen the other posts hope i haven,t offended anybody as this was noy my intentions No mate, (sorry do not know your name as your profile is not completed) I don't think anyone is offended. It is just that the mods work and judgement is put in to question when that is done. Folks need to trust that their work is done for the good of the forum.

listen hawkmaster, i will not be challenged or threatened any takers. who do you think you are,the teacher, its you thats issuing the threats nobody else.p.s. were not here to enjoy the ride.

As a matter of fact I am a teacher and you obviously do not know me, as you would then know, I do not make threats, they are all promises and I will stick to my words

Paul, not wishing to fall out with you mate but that is exactly the point being made...........

If a thread is allowed to continue it will or can cause damage I agree.......But on the other side of the coin when a thread is closed like the plumgate thread last night and it leaves my reputation in the eyes of some as a complete ******* who has no conscience about birds welfare then isn't that as bad??

If your easy answer is for people to opt out of the forum then please OPT me out mate...........I won't be a quiet little mouse on here saying nothing to please others and I won't sit back and let a ***** like Miguel throw **** at a reputation I have worked ****ing hard to build up, and not have the chance to post back!!!!!!!!!!!

So if you think I am wrong about this then and the other powers that be think so then do opt me out of the forum by all means..........

I am confused. i cant see where Yarak1 has said he is leaving of his own free will. i was on the understanding it is in hawk masters hands? i am also on the understanding this is a public forum and if you get a hard time unfairly you should be able to defend yourself without the tread being closed making you look a fanny! especially someone who contributes greatly to the forum.The thread you are speaking about, if I am correct was done and dusted and it is not something that needs to rear it head at each little opportunity, does it?
By opting Yarak1 off the forum is that not the same as saying " you cannot defend yourself if the mods decide to close the thread" so everyone can see you being accused but you cannot respond. if thats the case then its not right! Defend yourself yes but not make the whole forum in to an area days after things are dealt with and things are sorted, or do you think we should let people battle it out in each thread, off topic, question every call made by the IFF Team and all this after threads have been left time to straighten things out?

See it from a mods point?
1. Leave it and a guys can defend himself and get things on the level. Then gets blame that the thread was left open.
or
2. Close it and get blamed for not letting him defend himself?

Either way damn and doomed???

I wish people would come up with solutions and not problems!

[Ned]

he is the owner of the site, its up to him how he runs it, i'm sure if you start your own forum you will be able to make all the rules and decisions, yarak1 asked to be removed, I for one will miss his contribution but he was not banned it was his decision
who`s talking about yarak 1 being banned,i`am on about hawkmasters post, i know yarak 1 asked to be removed,andwhat are you on about quote,if you start your own forum.

[AndyYounger]

Yarak one hasnt asked to be removed! can anyone find where that was said. you wont because it hasnt happened!

[Sharandys]

Yes he asked to be removed. A pity as he is a top bloke with loads of knowledge and experience with a great centre and has, and will, still offer the falconry community a huge wealth in every way.

If anyone else would like to be removed either publically on the open forum or by PM, please drop me a line. Donations and sponsorship money will be refunded pro rata.

This is a falconry forum, not a place to discuss and force an enquiry about every thread or edited post.

I will also not be challenged, threatened or have implied remarks about my actions. If you want to leave and say so, I will do it there and then.

Any takers?:lol:

Sorry but nowhere in John's thread does he ask to be removed!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ned]

Yes he asked to be removed. A pity as he is a top bloke with loads of knowledge and experience with a great centre and has, and will, still offer the falconry community a huge wealth in every way.

If anyone else would like to be removed either publically on the open forum or by PM, please drop me a line. Donations and sponsorship money will be refunded pro rata.

This is a falconry forum, not a place to discuss and force an enquiry about every thread or edited post.

I will also not be challenged, threatened or have implied remarks about my actions. If you want to leave and say so, I will do it there and then.

Any takers?:lol:
just going by quote (yes he asked to be removed)

[Hawkmaster]

Oops Andy seems like I answered everything in your post sorry mate:rolleyes:

[Johnny Abbott]

hawkmaster there seem to be a lot of members that have dout myself included as to weather john asked to be removed from this forum if it was by pm then fine if it was by phone then fine but if it was on the public forum then can you show us all were he posted this request

[Sharandys]

Yarak one hasnt asked to be removed! can anyone find where that was said. you wont because it hasnt happened!

Andy....... I totally agree with you mate.... nowhere does it say that he WANTS to leave !!!!!!!!!

[GregMik]

Andy....... I totally agree with you mate.... nowhere does it say that he WANTS to leave !!!!!!!!!

Oh my god ppl. Do you guys see conspiracies everywhere? When are the aliens landing? If you don't feel he requested it call him up and ask him. It shouldn't be too hard to get his phone number.

Greg

[Hawkmaster]

Yes he never said take me off now, but is was implied and if someone is unhappy and keeps asking then I will oblige:wink:

BTW There are other threads on this same topic, maybe they should be merged?

[Sharandys]

Oh my god ppl. Do you guys see conspiracies everywhere? When are the aliens landing? If you don't feel he requested it call him up and ask him. It shouldn't be too hard to get his phone number.

Greg

I have just spoken to him, hense my reply!!!

[Defender]

greg you phone him and let us know because no where on the forum did he say he wanted to leave:roll:

[AndyYounger]

Oops Andy seems like I answered everything in your post sorry mate:rolleyes:

answering questions is ok! it sorts the problems out and i am more than happy to resolve all issues.

with you editing my thread it looks like i wrote it! not to happy with that! if i post something then i am responsible for what i say. i am not disagreeing with what you have said on it i just dont think people will see you edited my post.
You should have replied and not changed my original post. that way people will not see what i wrote. i could hardly follow it.

[Hawkmaster]

I agree, it was a mistake and I have explained.
I never edited anything, just replied.

[AndyYounger]

Ok paul.

[Claire]

answering questions is ok! it sorts the problems out and i am more than happy to resolve all issues.

with you editing my thread it looks like i wrote it! not to happy with that! if i post something then i am responsible for what i say. i am not disagreeing with what you have said on it i just dont think people will see you edited my post.
You should have replied and not changed my original post. that way people will not see what i wrote. i could hardly follow it.
i could see it was hm and not you mate, if that helps?

[Jeremiah Johnson]

Ffs !

[Johnny Abbott]

i think after talking to john on the phone for him to be banned of this forum for ever is a joke we need people like yarak1 on this forum it seems to me its alright for some people to say what they want but not for others

[AndyYounger]

i dont think he is being banned!

[Claire]

he put hm in a very arkward position. mods have to do their job, he disagreed with the way that it is done, and basicly said if it doesn't change he wants out. personally if it was my site i would have done the same as hm

[Johnny Abbott]

i dont think he is being banned!yes he has forever he has no need to lie

[Johnny Abbott]

he put hm in a very arkward position. mods have to do their job, he disagreed with the way that it is done, and basicly said if it doesn't change he wants out. personally if it was my site i would have done the same as hmyou need to speak to yarak1 so that you can get all the facts from both sides

[Claire]

I like yarak1 and think he was a very good contributor to the site but he did put hm in an impossible situation, he said that he did not want to be a prt of the site the way it is being run, as an observer to the plumbgate incident i may not have caught it all but yarak was prepared to buy back a bird that someone else had ruined for the birds sake, from what I read he did not look bad and to me all i read added to his reputation to me, the post got deleted before he could respond but i really dont think anyone would have believed what this miguel chap said over yarak

[Annie]

I thought this forum was to assist and nurture potential falconers in the Art of Falconry. Why then has an experienced falconer such as John who has been such an asset to the forum been removed. Falconry needs people like John; you won’t find John quoting from books but from actual hands on experience and a wealth of knowledge.

And yes, before anyone asks, I am biased. I had no previous experience (as can be seen by my earlier postings) but when I started as a volunteer with John he recognised my potential and has patiently nurtured my ambition to become a falconer.

John literally took me under his wing and inspired me, encouraged and put up with question after question after question. I feel privileged to be entrusted with his hawks and to call him my Employer. Both John and his partner have treated me as part of their family and I have immense respect and love for them both. Hence I cannot just sit back and not comment on his having been removed from the forum. He may at times come across as abrupt but this is due to his total and complete dedication to his calling, he will call a spade a spade but I have never known him turn away anyone in need of genuine assistance. With John the hawks come first…………………how silly for you to have lost this.

Annie

[StormRider]

What an utter disgrace. Yes this is a private forum worked in an open manner, but lets not forget that the owner of this forum started it for a reason. I am sure that he has gained a lot more from this forum than not gained.
I find it very difficult to understand that some people do not understand why John(yarak1) has stuck up for his principles. This man has a business that in my opinion is one of the better kinds in the UK. He has spent many a year building his business up without much real financial return to some degree. he prides himself on what he has achieved and how he helps others within falconry. You only have to read other threads on how people report on their meetings with him and how he conducts his business. There hasnt been a single bad report apart from those who feel threatened by him within a business sense. Some of these people are from the othere ends of the British Isles. Beats me.
The fact that this forum is meant to be open dictates that John should have had the opportunity to defend himself against the deflamatory remark. It appears that he couldnt, because the thread was closed down. From a business point of view he should have been allowed to comment on what was said, as an opportunity was given in the first place for the attacking comment to be made on this open forum.
Its a shame really, cause I agree that once again we have lost another important assett on this forum. People come to this forum because of individuals like John (Yarak1) and Terry (Kentish Falconry) and somehow there are some who feel it is their duty to drive them away.

A sad miss to the forum already.
STU

[Hawkmaster]

Seems like everything is a blur now and one post is confused with another. If there is an issue in one thread must it be carried over to almost every other one going?

[Ned]

listen hawkmaster,quote,i will not be challenged or threatened any takers. who do you think you are,the teacher,its you thats issuing the threats nobody else.p.s. were not here to enjoy the ride.
QUOTE HM as a matter of fact i am a teacher,........good guess,dont try and intimidate people,we`re not your pupils.

[Hawkmaster]

Yes Ned you are correct, as long as people do not act like children. BTW I do not teach kids exclusively.

[AndyYounger]

Seems like everything is a blur now and one post is confused with another. If there is an issue in one thread must it be carried over to almost every other one going?

i do have to agree with this. a thread should be about the subject it started with and nothing more! but do you think it is because some threads dont get resolved properly before they are closed that this happens. in some cases it could be people just wanting to causeunrest.

[Hawkmaster]

Mostly unrest as all are concluded either there or by PM.

[Beaujest]

Yes he asked to be removed. A pity as he is a top bloke with loads of knowledge and experience with a great centre and has, and will, still offer the falconry community a huge wealth in every way.

If anyone else would like to be removed either publically on the open forum or by PM, please drop me a line. Donations and sponsorship money will be refunded pro rata.

This is a falconry forum, not a place to discuss and force an enquiry about every thread or edited post.

I will also not be challenged, threatened or have implied remarks about my actions. If you want to leave and say so, I will do it there and then.

Any takers?:lol:
I looked up the word 'FORUM' and it IS a place for open discussion.We are all grateful that the forum exists,but a forum without freedom of speech is no forum at all.

[Ned]

Yes Ned you are correct, as long as people do not act like children. BTW I do not teach kids exclusively.
fair enough paul.

[Claire]

sorry but are you saying that the mods were wrong to close and delete a topic which contained deflamatry content, mods have to keep content on here suitable for kids and LEGAL if comments about john were untrue its better they were deleted than let the topic run,

maybe if yarak doesn't like the way this site is moderated you should invite him to join the mods?

[Jackson]

No comments, but would like confirmation!

here we go again! harris asked for confirmationa nd said no comments! all that was needed was a yes or no answer from hawk master but yet again its turned into a frenzie! :tfrag:

suggestion: set up a new section called of topic threads containg ******** and slagging off! and irelvant arguemnts!!

[GosFlyer]

having tried to get to grips with what actually went on between hawkmaster and yarak, its seems that yarak implied he wanted to leave and hawkmaster duely obliged. this is fine but although the site actualy belongs to hawkmaster i think it bad management on the part HM. surely it would have been better for all to keep yarak on the site as he has helped plenty of ppl on here and after all thats what the site is supposed to be for. if HM as any bal-s at all i think he would be a bigger man to reinstate yarak, come on Hm lets see how tall you are.( just my oppinion for what its worth) just incase i would like to say thanks for every one who has helped me on the site. regards mick.:cry:

[Harris]

having tried to get to grips with what actually went on between hawkmaster and yarak, its seems that yarak implied he wanted to leave and hawkmaster duely obliged. this is fine but although the site actualy belongs to hawkmaster i think it bad management on the part HM. surely it would have been better for all to keep yarak on the site as he has helped plenty of ppl on here and after all thats what the site is supposed to be for. if HM as any bal-s at all i think he would be a bigger man to reinstate yarak, come on Hm lets see how tall you are.( just my oppinion for what its worth) just incase i would like to say thanks for every one who has helped me on the site. regards mick.:cry:

Yarak did not WANT to leave or ASK to leave!

[GosFlyer]

Yarak did not WANT to leave or ASK to leave!

lets have a vote then on weather he should be asked back on. how do you do one of them poll thingies.:yawinkle:

[Renton]

Yarak did not WANT to leave or ASK to leave!

Not quite true.

[Sharandys]

lets have a vote then on weather he should be asked back on. how do you do one of them poll thingies.:yawinkle:

Well however it is done you get our vote.......... please let this wonderful man back on the forum, for all our sakes !!!!!!:supz:

[GosFlyer]

Not quite true.

what was said then.:yawinkle:

[Annie]

sorry but are you saying that the mods were wrong to close and delete a topic which contained deflamatry content, mods have to keep content on here suitable for kids and LEGAL if comments about john were untrue its better they were deleted than let the topic run,

maybe if yarak doesn't like the way this site is moderated you should invite him to join the mods?

But that's the point...the thread was not deleted but just closed.........still there for all the world to see John being slated in public for no good reason and unable to answer back in public.

Also John would never want to be a Mod on this site and put himself on a pedastal like blackbird seems to have done.......

I have spoken to John and he did not ask to leave but instead asked Paul if he considered people opting out as an easy solution for himself then please do so.........

If John and others are not ALLOWED to question the admin then that is wrong...........What has happened here is that John has stood up to the Admin not just for himself but for all of you who are too scared to voice an opinion because of the threat of backlash and the admin namely Paul doesn't like it and took the easy solution by BANNING John for life ( and i have seen that in a bulletin message to John) and putting it across as John wanting to voluntarily leave..... they took the easy option.... If they will do that to someone with the knowledge that John has in the Falconry world and who is willing to pass his experience on to people on the forum and as someone who raised funds by sponsorship and offering a 4 day course for auction ( that John will teach over 4 days for no money) with the proceeds going to the forum fund not to John then what does that say about respect for someone.....nothing.......

As far as I can see they have robbed the forum of a huge lot of knowledge and set a precedent for people to obey them or else..........

John always spoke highly of you to me Paul, shame you couldn't have returned the respect to him on this forum instead of making him a scapegoat for speaking his mind and not bending to your so called rules........

John is someone that I will always regard as being way above you as a person and a falconer...........

One other thing stands out as well........If as you say that John asked to be removed voluntarily.........Why have you Banned him for life??? and not given him the option of returning voluntarily??.....that doesn't ring true, seems to me like you have turned against him bigtime for standing up to you............

[Sharandys]

But that's the point...the thread was not deleted but just closed.........still there for all the world to see John being slated in public for no good reason and unable to answer back in public.

Also John would never want to be a Mod on this site and put himself on a pedastal like blackbird seems to have done.......

I have spoken to John and he did not ask to leave but instead asked Paul if he considered people opting out as an easy solution for himself then please do so.........

If John and others are not ALLOWED to question the admin then that is wrong...........What has happened here is that John has stood up to the Admin not just for himself but for all of you who are too scared to voice an opinion because of the threat of backlash and the admin namely Paul doesn't like it and took the easy solution by BANNING John for life ( and i have seen that in a bulletin message to John) and putting it across as John wanting to voluntarily leave..... they took the easy option.... If they will do that to someone with the knowledge that John has in the Falconry world and who is willing to pass his experience on to people on the forum and as someone who raised funds by sponsorship and offering a 4 day course for auction ( that John will teach over 4 days for no money) with the proceeds going to the forum fund not to John then what does that say about respect for someone.....nothing.......

As far as I can see they have robbed the forum of a huge lot of knowledge and set a precedent for people to obey them or else..........

John always spoke highly of you to me Paul, shame you couldn't have returned the respect to him on this forum instead of making him a scapegoat for speaking his mind and not bending to your so called rules........

John is someone that I will always regard as being way above you as a person and a falconer...........

One other thing stands out as well........If as you say that John asked to be removed voluntarily.........Why have you Banned him for life??? and not given him the option of returning voluntarily??.....that doesn't ring true, seems to me like you have turned against him bigtime for standing up to you............

Nice one Annie we totally agree and are behind you 100%... and thats from Andy and Sharon.... fantastic reply........ good for you :razz:

[Harris]

Not quite true.

Very true actually! I saw every post on both threads before all the editing, and have spoken to john!

[GosFlyer]

But that's the point...the thread was not deleted but just closed.........still there for all the world to see John being slated in public for no good reason and unable to answer back in public.

Also John would never want to be a Mod on this site and put himself on a pedastal like blackbird seems to have done.......

I have spoken to John and he did not ask to leave but instead asked Paul if he considered people opting out as an easy solution for himself then please do so.........

If John and others are not ALLOWED to question the admin then that is wrong...........What has happened here is that John has stood up to the Admin not just for himself but for all of you who are too scared to voice an opinion because of the threat of backlash and the admin namely Paul doesn't like it and took the easy solution by BANNING John for life ( and i have seen that in a bulletin message to John) and putting it across as John wanting to voluntarily leave..... they took the easy option.... If they will do that to someone with the knowledge that John has in the Falconry world and who is willing to pass his experience on to people on the forum and as someone who raised funds by sponsorship and offering a 4 day course for auction ( that John will teach over 4 days for no money) with the proceeds going to the forum fund not to John then what does that say about respect for someone.....nothing.......

As far as I can see they have robbed the forum of a huge lot of knowledge and set a precedent for people to obey them or else..........

John always spoke highly of you to me Paul, shame you couldn't have returned the respect to him on this forum instead of making him a scapegoat for speaking his mind and not bending to your so called rules........

John is someone that I will always regard as being way above you as a person and a falconer...........

One other thing stands out as well........If as you say that John asked to be removed voluntarily.........Why have you Banned him for life??? and not given him the option of returning voluntarily??.....that doesn't ring true, seems to me like you have turned against him bigtime for standing up to you............

sounds to me that hawkmaster has turned into hitler. if this is true, john has even offered me a post perch for nothing and the bloke doesnt even know me. why has someone this helpfull to a fellow falconer been given a life ban, has HM caught him in his bed or something, if john wants a session with my mrs just bring me that post perch m8 when ya come.:yawinkle:

[Jeremiah Johnson]

I looked up the word 'FORUM' and it IS a place for open discussion.We are all grateful that the forum exists,but a forum without freedom of speech is no forum at all.

:supz:


Paul you have done a brilliant Job of getting this forum up and running I would imagine the amount of work you have put into this project is collosal..

Perhaps you should stand back and look holisticly at what you have created .... and then read through some of your own post's .. particualry those that you reply to "when the deal is against you"

when you place yourself in the driving seat people will question you every move thats Human nature and will always be ..

as for Yarak dont know him dont know the full facts so wont comment on it but i have read some of your replys .....which have made me comment
:cry:

However I think you can sort this one out and continue to do the fantastic job that you do and then we can all get back onto what we do best on this forum.

[Renton]

Very true actually! I saw every post on both threads before all the editing, and have spoken to john!

I stand corrected. A great pity and a loss to all of us here now that he has resigned.

[Harris]

Personaly I think HMs action was a knee jurk reaction and I hope when all this dies down he will realise that he has made a mistake, and hopefully he will be brave enough to admit it and appologise to John. But we'll see

[Harris]

I stand corrected.

Sorry mate didn't mean to be so blunt! :rolleyes:

[Wightwings]

having been a member on here from early days i have seen many developments........i have even seen "trouble" makers ( and they are my friends also ) turned into mods.......the truth is no matter how any of you bitch and moan AND "donate" your money to the running of this forum you are only ever going to be contributers and the powers that be will always pull the strings.........i suggest you learn to accept it like i have done ( hence my lack of posting these days) or go away and get on with real life......:roll: ;)

[Laurie]

Such a shame.........and after everything he's done for this forum, to be treated like this.

DISGRACEFUL!!!!!

Come back John....

[Wightwings]

oohh Ps they all come and go and come again then GO again......kets have a look..Varmit!.Terry!.Mass.!....Johh.etc etc etc ..its the circle of life and aduration...:lol: :roll:

[Annie]

sounds to me that hawkmaster has turned into hitler. if this is true, john has even offered me a post perch for nothing and the bloke doesnt even know me. why has someone this helpfull to a fellow falconer been given a life ban, has HM caught him in his bed or something, if john wants a session with my mrs just bring me that post perch m8 when ya come.:yawinkle:

And that's the sort of person John is..........he will always help people even if he doesn't know them.........I have seen John spend a whole day advising someone on a problem bird ( for no money) just so the bird gets back on track...........

Falconry is Johns life, he spends 7 days a week every day of the year working with people and birds...........

[Wightwings]

looks like he will even more time to do the good work now .....;) .....

[Annie]

Such a shame.........and after everything he's done for this forum, to be treafted like this.

DISGRACEFUL!!!!!

Come back John....

But he can't Laurie, they have banned him for life for speaking out of turn.........

You met John the other day Laurie.............what was your impression of him?

And give an honest reply as John would want you to..........speak as you find........

[Renton]

having been a member on here from early days i have seen many developments........i have even seen "trouble" makers ( and they are my friends also ) turned into mods.......the truth is no matter how any of you bitch and moan AND "donate" your money to the running of this forum you are only ever going to be contributers and the powers that be will always pull the strings.........i suggest you learn to accept it like i have done ( hence my lack of posting these days) or go away and get on with real life......:roll: ;)

Well said. Although, some of us are prepared to dissent from excessive governance and will try to get our points across. Fighting a hopeless position? Probably. Yet myself and a few others are not prepared to go quietly.

[Annie]

looks like he will even more time to do the good work now .....;) .....

I take it that is a sincere reply and not sarcasm?........

[Wightwings]

I take it that is a sincere reply and not sarcasm?........ bit of Both annie.......spek out of turn on here its bye bye.....on the other hand im sure John has more important things in life than sitting at a computer all day like most of us.....

I suggest people should start taing the forum for what it is....a forum....good for advise and the od chat but at the end of the day if you let some meglamaniac riun your day by banning you then its time for a reality check;) .i guarentee John will lose no sleep over it

[Sharandys]

And that's the sort of person John is..........he will always help people even if he doesn't know them.........I have seen John spend a whole day advising someone on a problem bird ( for no money) just so the bird gets back on track...........

Falconry is Johns life, he spends 7 days a week every day of the year working with people and birds...........

I have not had the pleasure in knowing John for a very long time, but he has done more for me than many people in my life and I thank him for that........ everything that I have learnt about falconry I have learnt from both Annie and John........... John is one of lifes wonderful people and will go to no ends to help anybody, this does not just apply to Falconry, I condider John as one of my dearest friends and I am privileged to call him just that !!!!!

[Hawkmaster]

I personally think John is a real good bloke. If he wants to come back that is up to him. I banned him so that a point is made. My further point will be made when I can get hold of Sparrow to delete every post and also the banner.

There are several lesson to be learnt here:

To all of you that think this is about money
Everyone that said I am in bed with the sponsors
Each person thinking the sponsors run the forumThink again!

Sieg Heil :!: :twisted:

[Harris]

I personally think John is a real good bloke. If he wants to come back that is up to him. I banned him so that a point is made. My further point will be made when I can get hold of Sparrow to delete every post and also the banner.

There are several lesson to be learnt here:

To all of you that think this is about money
Everyone that said I am in bed with the sponsors
Each person thinking the sponsors run the forumThink again!

Sieg Heil :!: :twisted:

Just a shame paul that you chose to get rid of one of the best people on the site to prove that point! unfortunately at the detrement of others!

[Wightwings]

I personally think John is a real good bloke. If he wants to come back that is up to him. I banned him so that a point is made. My further point will be made when I can get hold of Sparrow to delete every post and also the banner.

There are several lesson to be learnt here:

To all of you that think this is about money
Everyone that said I am in bed with the sponsors
Each person thinking the sponsors run the forumThink again!

Sieg Heil :twisted:

crickey you know that scene in matrix when the world wobbles as he flexes his muscles......it just happened to my screen when i read that..........WOW..:shock: :shock: :lol:

[Sharandys]

I personally think John is a real good bloke. If he wants to come back that is up to him. I banned him so that a point is made. My further point will be made when I can get hold of Sparrow to delete every post and also the banner.

There are several lesson to be learnt here:

To all of you that think this is about money
Everyone that said I am in bed with the sponsors
Each person thinking the sponsors run the forumThink again!

Sieg Heil :!: :twisted:

Hawkmaster can I ask you what point you were trying to make ???????

[Wightwings]

that its his site....:roll: :roll:

[Annie]

bit of Both annie.......spek out of turn on here its bye bye.....on the other hand im sure John has more important things in life than sitting at a computer all day like most of us.....

I suggest people should start taing the forum for what it is....a forum....good for advise and the od chat but at the end of the day if you let some meglamaniac riun your day by banning you then its time for a reality check;) .i guarentee John will lose no sleep over it

Knowing John as I do he certainly won't lose sleep over small minded people like HM.........he is to laidback for that..............

[Hawkmaster]

YOu should be Ian Wiseman!:lol:

[Adam Barrett]

Just a shame paul that you chose to get rid of one of the best people on the site to prove that point! unfortunately at the detrement of others!

Good post- Jhon is a loss to the programme and i hope HM will see sense, he is the type of member the forum needs.

[Wightwings]

YOu should be Ian Wiseman!:lol: Ian Wileman.now THERE is amix it up GOD.........

[Annie]

I personally think John is a real good bloke. If he wants to come back that is up to him. I banned him so that a point is made. My further point will be made when I can get hold of Sparrow to delete every post and also the banner.

There are several lesson to be learnt here:

To all of you that think this is about money
Everyone that said I am in bed with the sponsors
Each person thinking the sponsors run the forumThink again!

Sieg Heil :!: :twisted:

So you used John who considered you a mate as a scapegoat to prove a point???......how sad is that Paul??

And a further point you are going to make is banning all his posts and banner??...............well I hope that you return to him the £220 he raised for you for the 4 day course while you are at it then??

[Laurie]

Hi Annie,

Yeah I met you and John the other day and I can honestly say I have never met anyone so proud and hard working to give his birds nothing but the best. Yes he owns his own business and like everyone he needs to earn a living but he is also willing to go out of his way to help others and give advice completely free and ask for nothing in return. A top bloke as far as I'm concerned.

Say hello to John for me Annie and I'll see you both at the end of June.

[Harris]

Paul if you remove all of johns previous posts you will be removing an invaluable source of falconry advice! forgive me if I am wrong but isn't that a bit over the top! you keep banging on about this being a falconry forum, which I agree it is and should be! but to remove johns posts would be sacralige! and a huge waste of good advice!

[Jeremiah Johnson]

I personally think John is a real good bloke. If he wants to come back that is up to him. I banned him so that a point is made. My further point will be made when I can get hold of Sparrow to delete every post and also the banner.

There are several lesson to be learnt here:

To all of you that think this is about money
Everyone that said I am in bed with the sponsors
Each person thinking the sponsors run the forumThink again!

Sieg Heil :!: :twisted:




Hmmmmmmmmm

[Hawkmaster]

As I said I am waiting for Sparrow and I will refund his £220 and his sponsor money he received 3 minutes after I posted the ban.

Maybe I should just close the whole site down.

There is far too much ******** and moaning going on and therefore as you say defeating the object of having it.

If John is such a well respected and valuble source in falconry info why did you not all treat him this way? If the site needs him and not all the idiots on here that bang on day and night about total BS then should we remove them too and only keep John and people that want to talk falconry?

[Harris]

Its your site do what you want!

[SSL]

and people that want to talk falconry?

Yes then it would be a Falconry Forum... :supz:

Steve.

[Sharandys]

Its your site do what you want!

we think you have now summed it up there Harris

[GosFlyer]

I personally think John is a real good bloke. If he wants to come back that is up to him. I banned him so that a point is made. My further point will be made when I can get hold of Sparrow to delete every post and also the banner.

There are several lesson to be learnt here:

To all of you that think this is about money
Everyone that said I am in bed with the sponsors
Each person thinking the sponsors run the forumThink again!

Sieg Heil :!: :twisted:

ok your the boss, but for the sake of all the mere mortals on here that can learn from such a bloke as john, why not take him back on after a wrist slap. its easy to lose someone like him. at the detriment of a good site it will be the forums loss. delete posts others can and have learnt from. why. do you thing yarak will care the only one it will help is you with an ego boost. be a man. not that it bothers me that much but i have seen this situation before and its a slippery slope. its hard to bite the bullet but a real man can do it.

[PeregrinesUK]

all the idiots on here that bang on day and night about total BS then should we remove them too and only keep John and people that want to talk falconry?

This is why you warning system is a excellent idea its fair and simple.. Johns a great loss but just dont get all this rubbish thats surrounds anyone wanting to leave its a personal choice ..

[Liam Hay]

To Annie its nice of u to imply that blackbird sits upon a pedastal now he is a mod, but i guarantee he is far more resourceful and pasionate about Falconry than 99.9% on here and won't put up with rubbish, As for John been banned i hav'nt seen the thread that must imply all but John is no loss to the forum the real loss is the great Falconers on here that don't post cause of all the bull and ********, John is probably a great Falconer but there is no loss i can see!

[Annie]

As I said I am waiting for Sparrow and I will refund his £220 and his sponsor money he received 3 minutes after I posted the ban.

Maybe I should just close the whole site down.

There is far too much ******** and moaning going on and therefore as you say defeating the object of having it.

If John is such a well respected and valuble source in falconry info why did you not all treat him this way? If the site needs him and not all the idiots on here that bang on day and night about total BS then should we remove them too and only keep John and people that want to talk falconry?

So lets get this straight.............You say if John wants to come back that's fine.......BUT you are now going wipe out all trace of him ever being here???
How does that work then??

[Hawkmaster]

Firstly I am not a real man.
Secondly, ego, this goes far deeper than that mate.

This forum needs to close and let someone else go start one where people will talk falconry and help each other.

[Annie]

To Annie its nice of u to imply that blackbird sits upon a pedastal now he is a mod, but i guarantee he is far more resourceful and pasionate about Falconry than 99.9% on here and won't put up with rubbish, As for John been banned i hav'nt seen the thread that must imply all but John is no loss to the forum the real loss is the great Falconers on here that don't post cause of all the bull and ********, John is probably a great Falconer but there is no loss i can see!

Well you wouldn't would you being blackbirds buddy and all.........

Because of whats happened today I quite understand why good falconers don't bother......But I think John was brave to come on here and wade through all the ******** and bullshit to give help to others don't you??

If you can't see aloss to the forum with John not being here then you are obviously biased against him..........

[Sharandys]

John is probably a great Falconer but there is no loss i can see![/QUOTE]

Should of gone to SpecSavers !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Liam Hay]

Well you wouldn't would you being blackbirds buddy and all.........

Because of whats happened today I quite understand why good falconers don't bother......But I think John was brave to come on here and wade through all the ******** and bullshit to give help to others don't you??

If you can't see aloss to the forum with John not being here then you are obviously biased against him..........

firstly y would i biased against John i have no need, never met him, never really spoke to him and give him loads of rep points agreeing with stuff he said,

What has me been Blackbirds buddy have to do with me disagreeing with u, i never met HM but believe him to b passionate about his sport and so give him support on what he chooses,

Yet again a person been in Falconry 2 mins has major views as u have, i simply recognise some of the best Falconers in the country r on here and don't post because half wits who know nowt argue with them, need i say more, also plz clarify y john is brave posting and been active on here?

[Liam Hay]

John is probably a great Falconer but there is no loss i can see!

Should of gone to SpecSavers !!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]

LOL i can see now all the newbies idolise him:roll:

[Annie]

This is why you warning system is a excellent idea its fair and simple.. Johns a great loss but just dont get all this rubbish thats surrounds anyone wanting to leave its a personal choice ..

But the point is if John wanted to leave voluntarily as has been suggested by HM then why does he want to delete all posts by John and has banned him for life?.........is John supposedly wanting to leave voluntarily as HM says, such a kick in the teeth that HM feels ****ed off enough to take revenge by wiping out all trace of John ever being here??? That doesn't ring true does it?

If someone leaves voluntarily should they not be allowed to ever return?

[Annie]

firstly y would i biased against John i have no need, never met him, never really spoke to him and give him loads of rep points agreeing with stuff he said,

What has me been Blackbirds buddy have to do with me disagreeing with u, i never met HM but believe him to b passionate about his sport and so give him support on what he chooses,

Yet again a person been in Falconry 2 mins has major views as u have, i simply recognise some of the best Falconers in the country r on here and don't post because half wits who know nowt argue with them, need i say more, also plz clarify y john is brave posting and been active on here?

Because he is willing to put up with the ******** and bullshit to help others...........

[Hawkmaster]

Annie get your Gun:lol:

[Liam Hay]

Because he is willing to put up with the ******** and bullshit to help others...........

And thats being brave, brave is a big word in my vocabulary i would not use it that frivilantly

[Annie]

Annie get your Gun:lol:

Glad you find it all so funny Paul...............

[Sharandys]

Should of gone to SpecSavers !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL i can see now all the newbies idolise him:roll:[/QUOTE]



Absolutely...... :heart:

[Annie]

And thats being brave, brave is a big word in my vocabulary i would not use it that frivilantly

You see that's the problem with this forum, you make such a big thing out of one word.............Ok he was willing to put up with **** and all to help others..........now if you would like to comment on the word **** be my guest because obviously no matter what word is used you will find fault.........

[Hawkmaster]

It is don't you think?

Grown-ups that love the same thing arguing and carrying on worse than kids?

EVERYONE one is to blame, including me!

Should we see how much can come out of this that is positive?

Will there be anything?

How can we do it?

Idiots need not reply . . .

[Claire]

You see that's the problem with this forum, you make such a big thing out of one word.............Ok he was willing to put up with **** and all to help others..........now if you would like to comment on the word **** be my guest because obviously no matter what word is used you will find fault.........
annie i dont think you are doing him any favours here. you make it sound like he got nothing in return from the forum, he did he promoted his business and earnt himself a good reputation on here, has he had courses booked from the iff?

[Annie]

It is don't you think?

Grown-ups that love the same thing arguing and carrying on worse than kids?

EVERYONE one is to blame, including me!

Should we see how much can come out of this that is positive?

Will there be anything?

How can we do it?

Idiots need not reply . . .

Ok here you are then......Why not do something positve and contact John by phone or e-mail and talk to him about your reasons for making a point over banning him ( or as you put it Voluntary leaving)........that would take the emphasis off this forum wouldn't it?

I'm sure John would be man enough to accept a call if you were man enough to make it............
Now that would be a positive move........unless you have no desire for John to return?

[PDF]

Should we see how much can come out of this that is positive?

Following all the fuss last week about the warning system, that was my starting point for my post this morning - I was hoping to see how we could create something positive that suited everybody.

[Hawkmaster]

or as you put it Voluntary leavingWhere did I mention those words?

[Annie]

Where did I mention those words?

oh dear....words again...ok opting out""

[Annie]

So about being positive and giving John a ring is that on the agenda?

I think if you did people would view you in a different light.......I would for one.........

[Wightwings]

So about being positive and giving John a ring is that on the agenda?

I think if you did people would view you in a different light.......I would for one.........

blummin eck annie talk about a dog with bone.......move on and give some input into some of the falconry threads...:yawinkle: :wink:

[Hawkmaster]

oh dear....words again...ok opting out""Here is your answer you were looking for:
If your easy answer is for people to opt out of the forum then please OPT me out mateSo that was my answer and so I did.

BTW way I am not here to be viewed in a different light. I personally do not care if people like me or not, I do what I do and that is it.

John is more than welcome to call he knows that, I am sure.

[Wightwings]

so now you have it perhaps this thread can be locked.....:roll: :rolleyes:

[Saker-Mad]

so now you have it perhaps this thread can be locked.....:roll: :rolleyes:

I agree with you there.

[Hawkmaster]

This is a call for Harris, he started the thread.
Or does anyone that may be offended within this thread or site or universe wish to comment first?

[Harris]

I think this has gone on long enough now. everybody has got their point accross, and hopefully everyone has calmed down a little. and hopefully Paul you will see that people think passionately enough about this site to care about how it is run. If nobody cared enough to post on this thread then that would be very sad. we will all miss John, and he will be a great loss to the forum, but lets all learn from this and move forward. Please close this thread now and lets all get back to what we all do and love and that is Falconry.

[Tim Laycock]

Also John would never want to be a Mod on this site and put himself on a pedastal like blackbird seems to have done.......



I dont put myself on any kind of pedestal, I leave that up to other people. :finga:

Im too busy putting out fires and telling people how it realy is!

Because I dont coat **** with sugar to make it taste nice, I make myself a target for your type, but that suits me
down to the ground :supz:

[Kevin Massey]

blummin eck annie talk about a dog with bone.......move on and give some input into some of the falconry threads...:yawinkle: :wink:

:supz: :supz:

[Kevin Massey]

Hi Kev, I don't want to drag you into this, as I think you are one of the best mods on here! However I have made a complaint to Paul and Tim about Tim adding comments to my Yarak thread after it was closed! As I told Tim I understand his reasons in defending himself with his last post, but he should have done it via PM! As far as I am am concerned a closed thread should be a closed thread and not reopened by a moderator unless the originator, who in this case is me, has concented to it, especially as I asked for the thread to be closed in an attempt to stop the dissharmony on the forum. At the end of the day, when John "left" the forum, one of his gripes was that he was unable to defend himself on a thread as it had been closed! therefore I beleive that this could be seen as double standards on the forum, and may lead to more problems! I have asked Tim to remove his last post and have also brought this to the attention of Paul, However I have so far had no responce from either. my reason for this PM to you, is that I noticed that you have also added a comment, and I don't want you to be dragged in to any row over this issue.

Cheers Simon

simon....

the thread for mods still gives all the same reply icons etc as an open thread....i had made the responce while reading through the page...it was'nt till after i hit the submit and it reapeared i realised the thread was closed....

if you want i can remove my reply ....

kev
Hi Kev, Please don't think I was having a go at you for posting on the thread, and there's no need to remove your reply. It's just that with Tim adding another comment in his usual manner to the thread, I was worried that this might cause some people on here to start with the ******** again about one rule for one etc.....

But thanks for your reply.

Simon
simon some times we are doomed if we and doomed if we dont bud,

i would have removed it before...but then you will have all the where are the posts gone crew kicking off:roll: ...

with insite what i should have done is send you a pm straight away

kev

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