Imprint Jack??

[MattSpar]

Out of interest, has anyone imprinted a Jack as a semen donor? My colleague and I are planning on producing, amongst other things, perlins. We have a stud tiercel and now, at last female merlins to imprint. We also have an imprint female peregrine and eyass Jacks ready for imprinting. Is it practical, or even possible to go about it the reverse way and inseminate a peregrine with semen from a Jack?

Any practical information gratefully received.

[Peregrine1]

Out of interest, has anyone imprinted a Jack as a semen donor? My colleague and I are planning on producing, amongst other things, perlins. We have a stud tiercel and now, at last female merlins to imprint. We also have an imprint female peregrine and eyass Jacks ready for imprinting. Is it practical, or even possible to go about it the reverse way and inseminate a peregrine with semen from a Jack?

Any practical information gratefully received.
I know of 2 imprinted Jacks both very good imprints but neither have gave semen yet, they are both 3. I suppose they can be breed and have Merlin into Peregrine. Though I am not sure if a Jack could produce enough semen quanity wise, regular enough anyway. And I bet the enviroment in a pere could be a bit harsh on Merlin Semen so you would have to put it in at the optimum time Plus you could be throwing away the chance to produce a female Peregrine so if its a commericail venture you would be making less and a good tiercel is only a little under the price of Perlin. I have found as well with breeding Perlins some tiercels semen seem to fare better and produce more viable eggs, and also get less abnormalitys. Once you get a compatible Pairing they are no different to hatch than pure Merlins. Good luck
Regards
Colin

[M & J Raptors]

We had viable semen from an imprint jack last week, looked good under scope, sadley all merlins have now completed egg laying,

[Peregrine1]

We had viable semen from an imprint jack last week, looked good under scope, sadley all merlins have now completed egg laying,
I have one still laying :o not long started to be honest .Do you reckon it could keep a laying pere in semen?
Regards
Colin

[M & J Raptors]

Yes the sample was good quantity and quality, i could have put the semen into a laying pere, but she was full of gyr semen at the time, and i have had enough this season.:-x

[Peregrine1]

Its been wierd here
Some Falcons came in earlier some latter, some just started christ I be feeding chicks at christmas :(
Regards
Colin

[MattSpar]

Right, that's all very informative, but what I want to know is, has anyone actually done it? Also, has anyone used imprints in the production of pure merlins?...........

[Peregrine1]

Right, that's all very informative, but what I want to know is, has anyone actually done it? Also, has anyone used imprints in the production of pure merlins?...........
As I said in my first post Merlin into Peregrine has been done.
Regards
Colin

[Peregrine1]

I I suppose they can be breed and have Merlin into Peregrine.
Regards
Colin
Missed it:o

[HawkMan69UK]

colin hows the perlins coming on:lol:

[Peregrine1]

colin hows the perlins coming on:lol:
Only eggs at the moment one finished laying, one just started.
Regards
Colin

[MattSpar]

Plus you could be throwing away the chance to produce a female Peregrine so if its a commericail venture you would be making less and a good tiercel is only a little under the price of Perlin.


No, it's not a commercial venture. Believe it or not, we're not the least bit interested in making money from it.

[M & J Raptors]

no reason why it cannot be done, the hardest part is getting semen from the Jack, insemanation of the females are easy.

[MattSpar]

no reason why it cannot be done, the hardest part is getting semen from the Jack, insemanation of the females are easy.


Yes, that's why I want to know if it's been done.

[Peregrine1]

No, it's not a commercial venture. Believe it or not, we're not the least bit interested in making money from it.
No problems then, give it a go.
Regards
Colin

[Merger]

Sorry guys, cant help on the ai seen as Ive never been into ai, but if its any help have had a few imprint jacks, that like muskets, went on to breed naturally, however flying them during the summer they would behave as large falcons, tail flicking, food passing, chupping, on ledges, so I asumme would donate, but if I remember it was quite late in the year.

[M & J Raptors]

Yes, that's why I want to know if it's been done.

not yet, but who knows, i would have thought it would be easier to breed pure with pairs, most breeders only use imprints females for hybrids, but next year we may be looking to produce pure merlins with Ai.

your original question was can imprint jacks produce semen, the answer to that is yes.

[LeighJauncey]

not yet, but who knows, i would have thought it would be easier to breed pure with pairs, most breeders only use imprints females for hybrids, but next year we may be looking to produce pure merlins with Ai.

your original question was can imprint jacks produce semen, the answer to that is yes.

I thought I'd read once that someone in the States had done it (Jack:Falcon) - I'm encouraged by your comments - I was just wondering if they might be a bit bigger than Tiercel:Merlin ones given the difference in egg size - I'm looking forward to trying it anyway.

[LeighJauncey]

What the hell is this "warn 0%"?

[Red-Devil]

What the hell is this "warn 0%"?
looks like your warning status

[LeighJauncey]

Yes but why me?

[Tim Laycock]

Right, that's all very informative, but what I want to know is, has anyone actually done it? Also, has anyone used imprints in the production of pure merlins?...........

As far as I am aware Tommy Graham of Northern Falconry is producing merlins from a pair of imprints.

[Red-Devil]

Yes but why me?
lol everyone has one and no one else can see ,your sign means good boy no trouble ,no warnings ,its a mod thing like teachers with detentions lol

[LeighJauncey]

On the rare occasions I give detentions I like to make sure every ****** knows about it!

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

On the rare occasions I give detentions I like to make sure every ****** knows about it!

Its been a lot of threads on this subject recently, one of them was a "public announcement" from the admin explaining the bars and why they are there.

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

A for answering your question Matt Spar, our friend have a seemen producing Jack (3 this year, produced first time last year), and so does another guy I know, I dont know of anyone who used the seemen to peregrines tough, and a friend to a friend has a crech reared female merlin who is a good imprint but does not stand as well as the full imp.
hope thats of any help??

[Red-Devil]

On the rare occasions I give detentions I like to make sure every ****** knows about it!
i was not having a pop leigh

[MattSpar]

i was not having a pop leigh

Don't worry Red Devil, he'll know that.

[LeighJauncey]

i was not having a pop leigh

I know - I just wanted to use a swear word to try and get my warning level off zero and not be a 'goody goody'!

[Red-Devil]

I know - I just wanted to use a swear word to try and get my warning level off zero and not be a 'goody goody'!
dont shoot the messanger

[LeighJauncey]

dont shoot the messanger

I might - it depends if they're nutritious enough to feed baby merlins otherwise it's probably not worth it.

[MattSpar]

I might - it depends if they're nutritious enough to feed baby merlins otherwise it's probably not worth it.

I can confidently say here that if LJ was stuck for food, He'd feed his own children to the merlins.

[SakerYZF]

haha fair enough:-P