Harris x Redtail

[Isis]

I know this will cause WHY? and THERE IS NO POINT? answers but is there anyone breeding them?

[Redtail Hawk]

hope not

[Isis]

Have read about them in an old falconers mag and was curious to see if anyone bred them

[Intek Hosting]

No offence intended and I'm a newby so dont pay too much attention, Forget the bodies, do you really want to mix those two brains? What kind of temprament you hoping its going to have??

[Joey]

am not goin to say much but there was another thread like this and i got hung drawn and quatered on it lol and there is no use having on there just the same as the birds they come from and no point in breeding these types of hybreds




joey

[Isis]

just a thought, all led from an article i read in a falconers mag

[Jackson]

i was curious about this as well in fact i started a thread on it a while back!
but i came to the conclusion that the two were not a good mix! people gave many good reasons for this!
i think some one acidentaly bred them

[Andy Cunningham]

am not goin to say much but there was another thread like this and i got hung drawn and quatered on it lol and there is no use having on there just the same as the birds they come from and no point in breeding these types of hybreds




joeyspoken like a true expert

[Joey]

i wish i was mate i really do





joey

[SSL]

I know this will cause WHY? and THERE IS NO POINT? answers but is there anyone breeding them?

Yes. Theres also people on this forum who fly them, if the idiotss backed off with "WHATS THE POINT" etc they might even tell us about them and then we might learn something... just a thought... (and not an intended dig at you Harry)

[GoodFooter]

Yes. Theres also people on this forum who fly them, if the idiotss backed off with "WHATS THE POINT" etc they might even tell us about them and then we might learn something... just a thought... (and not an intended dig at you Harry)
Well spoken!!!
I for two reasons would be interested in hearing how these birds perform form someone who has flown them... not the 100's of people who condem them without actually having any experience of them what so ever!!!

My reasons are two fold , firstly curiousity and secondly scientifically. Hybridisation (or heterosis) leading to 'hybrid vigour' is all about producing a result better than logically expected which generally only shows in the first cross. for example in chickens pure bred 1 may lay 200 eggs/year pure bred 2 may lay 200eggs/year cross them and logically... 200eggs per year but no 220 eggs! cross the hybrid again and still 220 eggs. It works in falcons so why not in hawks...or buzzard... and no one seems to kick up about falcon hybrids or eagle crosses ( steppe x golden).
Whether your adding more intelligence, larger feet, more speed I and many others wont know until the people flying them tell us.... so dont shoot them down ( well until they have had their say!!!):D

[GregMik]

Moved out of General Falconry Talk.........

[Matty]

even if only once, i'd like to see the intelligence of a harris
wrapped up in the plummage of redtail

[OutFlying]

With all this talk and need to produce a bigger, better and faster flying hybrid hawk why not just breed slower, smaller hybrid quarry ? This way the balance between the two (quarry and hunter) can be further eroded.

Jim.

[GoodFooter]

With all this talk and need to produce a bigger, better and faster flying hybrid hawk why not just breed slower, smaller hybrid quarry ? This way the balance between the two (quarry and hunter) can be further eroded.

Jim.
Take your point......but the broadwings in particular are nothing like as fast as the true hawks so where is the harm in injecting a little extra go in them!!! a faster easier to manage broadwing cross bird would possibly breach the gap between relatively laid back broadwings and hyper accipiters....
Besides what about hybrid falcons???? arent they so popular because of their consistant good performance??? some people still prefer pure bred falcons but hybrids have a truely massive following.

[Tony15]

well said!!

[Ben C]

Goodfooter:

How would crossing a RT with a HH make it faster??? HH don't need to go any faster as rabbits run a lot slower anyway, I can't see the attraction of catching a Rabbit in 10ft....I prefer a lot longer chase.

Apart from which, crossing an accipiter with a HH would water down the speed of the gos and may even change the soaring ability of the HH.


However having said all that I was pretty sure a RTxHH breeder was in either this years or lasts IBR. :supz: :supz: :supz:

[Takajo]

Black Kite/Harris' was an interesting site in Understanding the BOP

[GoodFooter]

Goodfooter:

How would crossing a RT with a HH make it faster??? HH don't need to go any faster as rabbits run a lot slower anyway, I can't see the attraction of catching a Rabbit in 10ft....I prefer a lot longer chase.

Apart from which, crossing an accipiter with a HH would water down the speed of the gos and may even change the soaring ability of the HH.


However having said all that I was pretty sure a RTxHH breeder was in either this years or lasts IBR. :supz: :supz: :supz:
Like I said origionally it is heterosis.... a result greater than expected from the combination of the 2. answers the first bit..... and giving longer slips the second.... if you slip from further rather than dropping on to bunnies even a Gos takes more than 10 yards!!!!!!
As for the last you got it ....may... is the operative word!!! you dont know until it is tried..........It may put some brain into the gos..... it may put some slope soaring ability into the Gos and still get them to return! It may give a relaxed attitude bird with the flying ability of a Gos.....so on so on
Speed is some thing a lot of people do want.... it allows the gos to catch partridge & pheasant & mallard in Flight!!!! rather than on the ground and is surely why so many people aspire to fly a Gos (well).
There are many people who dont have the time to man a Gos (or the ability) so they fly a Harris and many of them do so well..... It is a huge jump from a harris to a Gos so something inbetween in both ability and temprement cant be a bad thing...can it?

[NGuruve]

yes libertys raptor and reptile centre in the new forest have a pair that breed and its no AI i have only seen the female and she had huge feet and was very very aggressive but i was told so dont hold me to this that she was a amazing hunter and would go for everything and everything :supz::)

[GoodFooter]

Back to the thread.....what has the harris x Rt to offer? Take a female could it make a really usefull hare bird???? Brains of the harris, persistance of the harris, strength of the RT , weight of the RT would it slope soar?? I dont know but I am sure some one out there has one....... so enlighten us.
( and no Ben I dont want one havent seen a hare since leaving northants! would like to hear about one though!)

[Kevin Massey]

Yes. Theres also people on this forum who fly them, if the idiotss backed off with "WHATS THE POINT" etc they might even tell us about them and then we might learn something... just a thought... (and not an intended dig at you Harry)

Is there anyone on the forum flying one at the moment...and can you offer any first hand experiances with them?

[Parabuteo.de]

Black Kite/Harris' was an interesting site in Understanding the BOP

There is something in the Book from Nick Fox about this?
What page?

Claas

[Ben C]

Like I said origionally it is heterosis.... a result greater than expected from the combination of the 2. answers the first bit..... and giving longer slips the second.... if you slip from further rather than dropping on to bunnies even a Gos takes more than 10 yards!!!!!!
As for the last you got it ....may... is the operative word!!! you dont know until it is tried..........It may put some brain into the gos..... it may put some slope soaring ability into the Gos and still get them to return! It may give a relaxed attitude bird with the flying ability of a Gos.....so on so on
Speed is some thing a lot of people do want.... it allows the gos to catch partridge & pheasant & mallard in Flight!!!! rather than on the ground and is surely why so many people aspire to fly a Gos (well).
There are many people who dont have the time to man a Gos (or the ability) so they fly a Harris and many of them do so well..... It is a huge jump from a harris to a Gos so something inbetween in both ability and temprement cant be a bad thing...can it?


Much to question and answer in that one Goodfooter!!!

(and I only gave 10 foot as an example mate....:yawinkle: )


But my fundamental question to you is this. If it does not occur in the 'natural' world, why on earth should we create a hybrid to make the transition from HH to Gos easier???? Seems a little bit un-ethical if you ask me.....creating sub-species just to cope with humans inability to sort their skills out!

After all this game we play has been around for 1000's of years so why change it to suit. It's like asking Ray Mears to use matches......:cool:

[Adam Barrett]

It may put some brain into the gos.....


i dont have much experience only been out several times with a gos-but what more brain power is needed? the gos has the brain to do its job? why would it need more?

cheers
Atb

Adam

[OutFlying]

Maybe some people need help with the crossword when out hunting - all this talk of more brain power, "if it has time to think then it's flying to slow" :wink:

Jim

[Kevin Massey]

i dont have much experience only been out several times with a gos-but what more brain power is needed? the gos has the brain to do its job? why would it need more?

cheers
Atb

Adam

this has been said before....and i feel correct:supz:

[Kevin Massey]

"if it has time to think then it's flying to slow" :wink:

Jim

:supz: :lol:

[GoodFooter]

Why brain power.... so many people I know will only fly their Gos off the fist. why? is it the cooperation or reliance on the falconer is less with the Gos? The versatility of the harris has got to be to do with its brain power my harris was certainly more 'intelligent' or certainly had more learning caperbilities than my gos.
So would no one want a more versatile gos.....& brain power was only one of the possible attributes mentioned...... having more brain power wouldnt necessarily slow reactions..... the point still stands you dont know until it is tried.
What if speed is watered down compared to a Gos..... it may still be sped up compared to a Harris? So it may be a similar to a supercharged Harris.
And it is not all about speed if the temprement is even mid way between the two well who will benefit..... the hundreds who cant cope with a hyper gos but aspire to fly one!!!
Frankenstein yes ( gyr/ peregrine perlin steppe/golden need I go on)

[GoodFooter]

Much to question and answer in that one Goodfooter!!!

(and I only gave 10 foot as an example mate....:yawinkle: )


But my fundamental question to you is this. If it does not occur in the 'natural' world, why on earth should we create a hybrid to make the transition from HH to Gos easier???? Seems a little bit un-ethical if you ask me.....creating sub-species just to cope with humans inability to sort their skills out!

After all this game we play has been around for 1000's of years so why change it to suit. It's like asking Ray Mears to use matches......:cool:
well best not have a dog, ferret or any domestic animal come to think of it then most of which were hybridised ( dont think that is spelt correctly) at some stage!!!!

[Ben C]

And it is not all about speed if the temprement is even mid way between the two well who will benefit..... the hundreds who cant cope with a hyper gos but aspire to fly one!!!





****** the lot of em...the lazy friggers.........its all about hard work, if they can't do either one of the 'pure' breeds justice why water the mix.......not on your nelly!!!!!!!!!!

If they can't make the jump let them fall.........NOW THATS EVOLUTIONARY THEORY!!! :rolleyes: :supz: :supz: :goodman:

[GoodFooter]

and for anyone who doesnt want a more chilled gos then why imprint them ( natural is it?)

[Ben C]

I would imagine an imprint is used for many other different reasons, not just a calm temprement (in fact I imagine those who imprint have had a PR before!)

And as far as I can tell.......an imprint is far from LAID BACK. A screaming nightmare of monumental proportions is the general picture I get!!! Not only that the ones I have seen have been a bit weird......Ros the Gos twatted my foot for NO reason at all!!!

[GoodFooter]

****** the lot of em...the lazy friggers.........its all about hard work, if they can't do either one of the 'pure' breeds justice why water the mix.......not on your nelly!!!!!!!!!!

If they can't make the jump let them fall.........NOW THATS EVOLUTIONARY THEORY!!! :rolleyes: :supz:
I Agree why 'water it' LETS IMPROVE IT:twisted:

[Ben C]

Spoken like a true mad geneticist.........:yawinkle:

[Ben C]

I must say that I am not opposed to hybrids per se, but well.............well you know what I mean Goodfooter!

Falcons on the other hand are a different matter....................................

[OutFlying]

and for anyone who doesnt want a more chilled gos then why imprint them ( natural is it?)

If a more chilled gos is your reason for imprinting - then that person doesn't have the skills to fly a gos to it's potential - imprinting is a whole different ball game than making a steady gos.


A steady gos isn't the same as an imprint - and also hyper goshawk is a myth - if done then easier than a harris hawk.

Jim.

[Tim Laycock]

If a more chilled gos is your reason for imprinting - then that person doesn't have the skills to fly a gos to it's potential - imprinting is a whole different ball game than making a steady gos.


A steady gos isn't the same as an imprint - and also hyper goshawk is a myth - if done then easier than a harris hawk.

Jim.

The sound of the nail being firmly struck upon the head :supz:

[GoodFooter]

If a more chilled gos is your reason for imprinting - then that person doesn't have the skills to fly a gos to it's potential - imprinting is a whole different ball game than making a steady gos.


A steady gos isn't the same as an imprint - and also hyper goshawk is a myth - if done then easier than a harris hawk.

Jim.
So what is the reason for imprinting...... (ignoring AI breeding) if it isnt to obtain a bird which is more relaxed in the presence of humans( ie more chilled) I have yet to see an imprinted bird which had any real benefit over a PR reared one, other than its lack of fear of humans and higher flying weight..... but if imprinted incorrectly or mis managed results in a very unbalenced bird indeed. Hunting wise cant say I had any complaints about my PR reared one... do those flying imprints think they are better hunters ( read the article by Mick Kane who seemed to think so).... but manning wise in initial training took alot more thought than my harris who though a superb hunter was far more relaxed in human presence from day one. Food and positive reinforcement was all important for the gos not nearly as much so for the harris.
So if imprinting isnt to produce a bird more relaxed in human presence what is the purpose when with time and forethought PR reared Gosses are so good albeit they, in my opinion, do need more time manning to keep them steady than the aforementiond harris?:?:

[Andy Cunningham]

yes libertys raptor and reptile centre in the new forest have a pair that breed and its no AI i have only seen the female and she had huge feet and was very very aggressive but i was told so dont hold me to this that she was a amazing hunter and would go for everything and everything :supz::) well i dont know about that but she aint bad,:D

[OutFlying]

So what is the reason for imprinting...... (ignoring AI breeding) if it isnt to obtain a bird which is more relaxed in the presence of humans( ie more chilled) I have yet to see an imprinted bird which had any real benefit over a PR reared one, other than its lack of fear of humans and higher flying weight..... but if imprinted incorrectly or mis managed results in a very unbalenced bird indeed. Hunting wise cant say I had any complaints about my PR reared one... do those flying imprints think they are better hunters ( read the article by Mick Kane who seemed to think so).... but manning wise in initial training took alot more thought than my harris who though a superb hunter was far more relaxed in human presence from day one. Food and positive reinforcement was all important for the gos not nearly as much so for the harris.
So if imprinting isnt to produce a bird more relaxed in human presence what is the purpose when with time and forethought PR reared Gosses are so good albeit they, in my opinion, do need more time manning to keep them steady than the aforementiond harris?:?:


imprint = blank canvas

[GoodFooter]

imprint = blank canvas
I guess so......but judging by many peoples imprints I dont think they know what they are painting!!!

[Andy Cunningham]

Is there anyone on the forum flying one at the moment...and can you offer any first hand experiances with them?.hello mass , we talked at the fair remember ,we were pitched next to you lot under the parachute.you into'd me to pc hay, jo jo ,blackbird and a few others, ye'h there alright mate,quick, v,quick.and smart ,darren 74 ,flys has flown his in a cast with a female goss and umpteen harrises, does a lot from the fist, and is very successful, it works over ferrets ,and is braver than it is big,and got kicked of his 1st hare at 1lb 9 , it hasnt put him off , they done alright up at malham ,when invited up with some of the yorky lot.Mine flys at 1,12 (and is an imprint)took me 11 days to enter him from when i picked him up, and he's ok too. , there great soarers if given the chance and very responsive , wing shape is different to either parent bird, so the wing loadin also must be different .head shape is not quite the same seems to have the width of the harris and the lenth of a red, wich is bit of a sht when you wanna guess size a hood ,when your out buying.quite gentle in general ,but every now and then you get a glimpse of something lets say not so gentle ,they dont forget and they rarely forgive ,there bit head strong at times and i remember you saying at at the fair you wernt sure .well nor am i .but if i dont give it a fair crack ,i never will. good to hear from you mate hope you well

[GoodFooter]

.hello mass , we talked at the fair remember ,we were pitched next to you lot under the parachute.you into'd me to pc hay, jo jo ,blackbird and a few others, ye'h there alright mate,quick, v,quick.and smart ,darren 74 ,flys has flown his in a cast with a female goss and umpteen harrises, does a lot from the fist, and is very successful, it works over ferrets ,and is braver than it is big,and got kicked of his 1st hare at 1lb 9 , it hasnt put him off , they done alright up at malham ,when invited up with some of the yorky lot.Mine flys at 1,12 (and is an imprint)took me 11 days to enter him from when i picked him up, and he's ok too. , there great soarers if given the chance and very responsive , wing shape is different to either parent bird, so the wing loadin also must be different .head shape is not quite the same seems to have the width of the harris and the lenth of a red, wich is bit of a sht when you wanna guess size a hood ,when your out buying.quite gentle in general ,but every now and then you get a glimpse of something lets say not so gentle ,they dont forget and they rarely forgive ,there bit head strong at times and i remember you saying at at the fair you wernt sure .well nor am i .but if i dont give it a fair crack ,i never will. good to hear from you mate hope you well
Thats more like it!!!! any pics????:grin:

[SSL]

What about Soaring AC, tell em about that! :yawinkle:

People up here in Yorkshire still speak of the mythical mongrel that jumps off cliffs with bunnies and holds on all the way down... :supz:

Steve.

[OutFlying]

I guess so......but judging by many peoples imprints I dont think they know what they are painting!!!

Didn't say they were easy :lol: , and aren't to everyones tastes.

Jim.

[GoodFooter]

Didn't say they were easy :lol: , and aren't to everyones tastes.

Jim.
I havent suggested they are, neither are many PR reared birds... Just I think many who have imprinted may not have the knowledge nor the skill to produce the result that they are hoping for ..... and in some cases dont even know what it is they are hoping for!
Other than for breeding I assumed most who imprinted did so to produce a calmer tamer bird which in no way affects it hunting prowess..... may be I'm wrong???? (whilst my understanding is that is is far far more difficult for the majority of the working population to imprint a hawk well.... than to train a PR bird to a 'good' standard.)
Rob

[Andy Cunningham]

What about Soaring AC, tell em about that! :yawinkle:

People up here in Yorkshire still speak of the mythical mongrel that jumps off cliffs with bunnies and holds on all the way down... :supz:

Steve. yep good soarers, stay directly above me while i beat with a stick no telemtry no dogs ferret or nowt 1 long whistle back to the glove, 2 short for come back overhead ,but hey steve i thought that was the norm till i came up north:supz: (sorry i could't resist it ) as for the off the cliff flight up your way, i often think that if you described it to your mate over a jar ,they would turn round and say yeh right and you tell more lies than a cheap watch , so i do just that and dont talk about it. but i dont tell people that he used snatch my hat go up on the soar and keep droping it and diving for it either or that if he had a funny 5 minites while were out,and i had walked off quite away he'd fly past and clout me with his wings or snatch at me at times this here is where the harris's somwhat playful nature and the reds heavyhandidness can be a bit rough.got a few soaring bits of film, i dont know how to put pics up i'l send one to you steve if you want to stick it up,think ive got one of darrens bird jinx ,(o'l cliff jumper.) and i'l pop outback and take one of trouble in a min,

[Coedhirion]

Andy...Don't rave about em too much, they will all want one ;-) :lol:

[SSL]

Hi AC,

I was very impressed with the video I saw of Freaky soaring and the obidience whislt up, a credit to you.

Wished I'd been in Darrens group when Jinx pulled that one off.

Some pics

AC's Freaky, AC's Trouble and Jinx (Darren74's Hybrid)

[Coedhirion]

Recon Freaky is a real cool name :lol: :rolleyes:

just waitin to see the real thing, role on late summer ;-)

[Andy Cunningham]

Recon Freaky is a real cool name :lol: :rolleyes:

just waitin to see the real thing, role on late summer ;-)
careful what you wish for!

[Takajo]

There is something in the Book from Nick Fox about this?
What page?

Claas
OOps. Sorry. Eigentlich that was a Coopers/Harris mix, not a kite.

[GoodFooter]

Thanks for the pictures......now that looks like a truely useful bird and for once presented perfectly on a nice bow and in great condition A credit to you all!!!!
Keep the progess & pics coming!!!!

[Andy Cunningham]

Thanks for the pictures......now that looks like a truely useful bird and for once presented perfectly on a nice bow and in great condition A credit to you all!!!!
Keep the progess & pics coming!!!! thanks ,.its just the norm .as for the looks they can be deceiving ,but look at darrens jinx in the bottom photo . his feet are big and so thick in comparison to his weight of 1,9oz he's like a little dart with a bigger punch, as for the perch i made it last week, thats what happens when youve to much time on your hands.

[GoodFooter]

thanks ,.its just the norm .as for the looks they can be deceiving ,but look at darrens jinx in the bottom photo . his feet are big and so thick in comparison to his weight of 1,9oz he's like a little dart with a bigger punch, as for the perch i made it last week, thats what happens when youve to much time on your hands.
It may well be the norm for you but far too many times on this forum people put up pictures of tatty birds on appauling perches...with a barage of excuses afterwards!!!! These pictures set the example of how birds should look on good equipment and A1 condition!!! Bravo!:D

[PBUNICINCTUS]

I will go out on a limb after flying both for over thirty years and say why would you want to ruin a good Harris anyway!

[PBUNICINCTUS]

The sad part is you don't always get the good trait's now do you?

[PBUNICINCTUS]

Ther are people here in the US crossing Merlins with Gyrs and getting beautiful male peregrine sized birds,why not get a male peregrine and be done with it. I highly doubt the cross is so much greater if in fact it is?

[Andy Cunningham]

I will go out on a limb after flying both for over thirty years and say why would you want to ruin a good Harris anyway! well ive only been doing it for 20 something years ,and maybe im still curious ,and i would have said ,"dilute a redtail, you see already we can tell from our exchange that we think along different lines.

[Andy Cunningham]

The sad part is you don't always get the good trait's now do you?.No thats right you dont .but i can encourage the traits i want ,and hopefully turn anything else to a plus rather than a minus

[SSL]

Ther are people here in the US crossing Merlins with Gyrs and getting beautiful male peregrine sized birds,why not get a male peregrine and be done with it. I highly doubt the cross is so much greater if in fact it is?

There are people doing it here too and infact someone on the forum who flew one.

The hybrid does appeal to me although I've only heard about it off the fist on Partridge... does it do anything a Spar wont?

[Tim Laycock]

There are people doing it here too and infact someone on the forum who flew one.

The hybrid does appeal to me although I've only heard about it off the fist on Partridge... does it do anything a Spar wont?

Goes further thats about it, not a trait that would appeal to me

[Nige]

Yes i know someone is breading them and i know of two that Hunt well. One took a drake in flight and that was something good to see. One has just been picked up will be ready for next season so howabout some good comments and maybee one of those guys might start to tell us more. Then you wont be condeming what you havn't seen. Even flew with my FMhh

[Nige]

Thought i'd add a picture off harris red that flew with my fmhh

[PBUNICINCTUS]

Isn't that whats great about being free to have different opinions? Don't get me wrong, if I had to live on what a bird could provide and I was allowed one bird it would be a REDTAIL!

[Andy Cunningham]

Isn't that whats great about being free to have different opinions? Don't get me wrong, if I had to live on what a bird could provide and I was allowed one bird it would be a REDTAIL!,ME TOO, everytime,without a shaddow of a doubt

[PlantBreeder]

I cannot see any reason why you should not try any cross you fancy, O.K.,
some may prove to be poor, but some may not. Fact is you don't know 'till
you try.

I am a little amused by the 'nature knows best' brigade, they forget that
every domestic animal and every farmed crop has been developed by a
countless number of generations of selective breeding.

As a breeder of fruit trees, I had to laugh at a 'organic expert' who said they
insist on 'natural foods', at the time they were eating a Bramley Apple pie !
I pointed out that every Bramley in the world is a clone from the original
polypoid mutant, I was rather hoping he would choke to death, but no such luck.

[Magee]

a reds foot for squirrel but the temprement of a harris:)

[SakerJack]

I am flying such a bird, she flies at 1290 grms. She does not fly like a GOS so forget that, she flies like a RTail but with shorter wings and a very long tail and in my opinion is quicker more like a harris, but I do slope soar her, she has incredible foot size and strength AND SHE CAN WITHSTAND OUR BRUTAL WINTERS, she is calm like both a HH and RT,,
In my mind a perfect hawk for me the quarry I hunt and the conditions I have here in Canada.

[GoodFooter]

I am flying such a bird, she flies at 1290 grms. She does not fly like a GOS so forget that, she flies like a RTail but with shorter wings and a very long tail and in my opinion is quicker more like a harris, but I do slope soar her, she has incredible foot size and strength AND SHE CAN WITHSTAND OUR BRUTAL WINTERS, she is calm like both a HH and RT,,
In my mind a perfect hawk for me the quarry I hunt and the conditions I have here in Canada.

Nice looking bird, Ken, what do you hunt with her? ....she is quite different in colour to what I have seen before stunning is that her adult plumage

[SakerJack]

Nice looking bird, Ken, what do you hunt with her? ....she is quite different in colour to what I have seen before stunning is that her adult plumage

Mainly Whitetailed Jackrabbits, she has taken smaller cottontails as well. She is a West Coast Harlan Redtail x Harris hybrid, hence the black color and that is adult plumage.

[Kat67]

Mainly Whitetailed Jackrabbits, she has taken smaller cottontails as well. She is a West Coast Harlan Redtail x Harris hybrid, hence the black color and that is adult plumage.

Shes very nice:heart: Can I trouble you for any pics you have of her front facing and in her juvenile plummage too please

[SakerJack]

Shes very nice:heart: Can I trouble you for any pics you have of her front facing and in her juvenile plummage too please

Here is the breeder with her in immature plumage

[SakerJack]

Last one

[Kat67]

Nice.. I was expecting a more pronounced difference but its quite subtle isnt it.
Ty for posting those, I do like her very much:yawinkle:

[PlantBreeder]

Just a quick question,

Are Harris x Redtail fertile or sterile ?

[Salty]

I am flying such a bird, she flies at 1290 grms. She does not fly like a GOS so forget that, she flies like a RTail but with shorter wings and a very long tail and in my opinion is quicker more like a harris, but I do slope soar her, she has incredible foot size and strength AND SHE CAN WITHSTAND OUR BRUTAL WINTERS, she is calm like both a HH and RT,,
In my mind a perfect hawk for me the quarry I hunt and the conditions I have here in Canada.well done mate thanks for the pic ,[put some more plllleeeeaaaaasssssseeeeeeeee]nice looking bird there mate salty:supz::supz:

[Salty]

well done mate thanks for the pic ,[put some more plllleeeeaaaaasssssseeeeeeeee]nice looking bird there mate salty:supz::supz:

sorry mate av just noticed youve put more on thanks again :supz::supz:

[Andy Cunningham]

Just a quick question,

Are Harris x Redtail fertile or sterile ? plantbreeder , i dont know ,cant see any reason why they shouldn't be .

[SakerJack]

Just a quick question,

Are Harris x Redtail fertile or sterile ?

I hope so and most say they should be.

[SilverLeapers]

Certainly different!....must mess with the heads of the local bird watchers!:lol: Notice anything different about her (other than still alive without frozen limbs and toes)? You mention she flies like a RT (but with shorter wings)...anything else you can comment on?

Cheers;
Bill

[SakerJack]

Certainly different!....must mess with the heads of the local bird watchers!:lol: Notice anything different about her (other than still alive without frozen limbs and toes)? You mention she flies like a RT (but with shorter wings)...anything else you can comment on?

Cheers;
Bill

Hey Bill, HMM,, I have never flown a Harris, when I said she flies like a rtail I guess I really meant she is more built like a red, don't think there are too many 1600grm fat Harris Hawks around.. She has the feet and build like a tail but has shorter wings this makes the long tail look longer..I started soaring her last year certainly not high though maybe 150 ft, off a small embankment, very flat here but she does not look like a red soaring, she crashes thru trees great and would likely make a great squirel hawk and with the shorter wings she seems quicker than the reds I flew but really hard to guage BUT she has a very powerful grip

[Greg]

She's better looking than a HH as well!

I am flying such a bird, she flies at 1290 grms. She does not fly like a GOS so forget that, she flies like a RTail but with shorter wings and a very long tail and in my opinion is quicker more like a harris, but I do slope soar her, she has incredible foot size and strength AND SHE CAN WITHSTAND OUR BRUTAL WINTERS, she is calm like both a HH and RT,,
In my mind a perfect hawk for me the quarry I hunt and the conditions I have here in Canada.

[HelenG]

Shes very nice:heart: Can I trouble you for any pics you have of her front facing and in her juvenile plummage too please

Here is a pic of Ken's birds sister that I used to work with. Its a pretty good shot of her head, not counting the mohawk!

[SakerJack]

Helen what happend to her?

[HelenG]

Helen what happend to her?
What do you mean? The mohawk? Nothing, just the wind blowing in the wrong direction.
The "used to" work with her? I'm not working there anymore!!
Marc-Andre still has her, she's still alive and kicking, and mean as ever!

[SakerJack]

What do you mean? The mohawk? Nothing, just the wind blowing in the wrong direction.
The "used to" work with her? I'm not working there anymore!!
Marc-Andre still has her, she's still alive and kicking, and mean as ever!

Sorry I thought maybe something had happened to her.

[HelenG]

Sorry I thought maybe something had happened to her.
I can see how that could be interpreted! Sorry!!!