what gear do i need

[Paddy1]

hi all as you know im new to this (falconry that is) just wondering what gear i need ?
ive got gauntlet, couple of swivels, hunting jesses,feild jesses, and a leash ,
only bought them so i could to do everything one handed, ive got coming weighing scales, hunting bag ,going to make a bow perch (could do with some dimensions ) and ive got to make the mews (again dimensions and designs wuld be great anything else anybody can think of would be a great help




thanks jay falconry:supz:

[Beaujest]

The knowledge to use them all properly

[Cobra]

The knowledge to use them all properly

Thats the most sensible peice of advice I have heard in a long time!
Chris

[Paddy1]

The knowledge to use them all properly



thats why i joined the forum 1 to meet people in the sport and to learn how to do it right , i dont see the point otherwise ,

[Juzzer]

you can buy beginners kits for all hawks,there is a member on the forum that could supply you with it.
hth

[Dave G]

you could do with a good book ? a telemetry system ,bells,dummie bunnie,lure pad and a mentor ;)

[Paddy1]

you could do with a good book ? a telemetry system ,bells,dummie bunnie,lure pad and a mentor ;)




ive read training bop by jemima parry jones (what good book that is) bout five times going to see big joe during the week and i know i need a mentor
(any offers would be great lol)

[OutFlying]

go along to the Cheshire Hawking Club, meets at Lymn second tuesday of the month.

Jim

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

I would reckomend not buying Kits. Ive yet to be impressed buy one and there normally maketed buy lower end of the quality suppliers. Start as you mean to go on buy quality, get quality advice and stick preferably to one source. I say this as falconers have varying methods not all of which are compatable with each other.

[Kanati]

hi all as you know im new to this (falconry that is) just wondering what gear i need ?
ive got gauntlet, couple of swivels, hunting jesses,feild jesses, and a leash ,
only bought them so i could to do everything one handed, ive got coming weighing scales, hunting bag ,going to make a bow perch (could do with some dimensions ) and ive got to make the mews (again dimensions and designs wuld be great anything else anybody can think of would be a great help




thanks jay falconry:supz:

buy/make a lure (both types) and practice with it... its somthing that you can do before you get your hawk that makes you feel good and is great fun...but if you do it where people can see you dont be surprised if they are always looking up for the hawk :-P ..and then what do you do!!?? pretend you do have one and its lost...or tell the onlookers that you dont actually have one yet? :-| (I would lie through my teeth;) )

get a vet who knows what they are on about...(not as easy as you might think)

get a hood...they are especially useful when taking the hawk to the vet.

buy a freezer for the food as its cheaper in bulk.

buy the food before the hawk.

buy some germolene liquid skin for you (cairful it stings like a b*#tard!), and a full first aid kit for the hawk..silver nitrate pen...some more of that germolene etc (theres a few web sites that list what you should have...(or ask the vet)

some vitamins for the hawk, and some emergancy drungs for the time your hawk suddenly becomes sick and needs a quick pick me up. also a seringe and a crop tube.

when you make your perch i would advise the use of astro turf. For no better reason then the hawks seem to like it better then anything else.

thats all i can think of at the mo...have fun mate.

[Paddy1]

I would reckomend not buying Kits. Ive yet to be impressed buy one and there normally maketed buy lower end of the quality suppliers. Start as you mean to go on buy quality, get quality advice and stick preferably to one source. I say this as falconers have varying methods not all of which are compatable with each other.



thats the hard part finding someone wh knows wht they are doing to teach me the right way and thats why im asking q rather than jump in with both feet and f***k up a decent bop with inexpeirience

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Keep going and you'll get there mate. Just use your common sense and put yourself about. Cheshire hawking club should be your next point of call.

[Paddy1]

Keep going and you'll get there mate. Just use your common sense and put yourself about. Cheshire hawking club should be your next point of call.



where abouts in w yorkshire are you mate ,as for the keep going i intend to learn new things everyay (on here ) nd in the real world , and thats why i want to meet as many poeple as pos (lik m dear old grandad said knowledge is great but expierence is better
think thats right pmsl

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Near Wakefield.

[Paddy1]

Near Wakefield.

yeh i know where you are mate

[Harrisii]

hi paddy,
first thing i would get now mate is more reading material. its often said falconry cannot be learned from a book and i go along with this notion to an extent however plenty of reading can be a gateway to much more knowledge and understanding of what you require and what you will need.
there are many good books out there for beginners, here are a few.

falconry for beginners: lee william harris
falconry art and practice,: emma ford
falconry basics: tony hall.
the harris hawk: lee william harris.

another thing which you will need mate is plenty of cash.

get a lot more than you will need. ie: 2 swivels will never be enough. these could be lost within 1/2 an hour.
have more than 1 set of scales. just incase.
have a few gloves.
at least 2 bow perches, indoor and outdoor.
rabbit lures, feathered swing lure.
bells of the right size,
closing tool for eyelets,
a waistcoat is a good inclusion.
a first aid kit for you and BOP.
buy some good leather and make your own equipment, ie: jesses, anklets.
(most books ive mentioned tell you how to do this).
plenty of leashes.
telemetry is a must, not cheap at £350. (app').
a chest freezer for your hawk food.

the list goes on and on. hope this helps a little mate.
good luck with it, you will get the help you need here.
best wishes.

[Paddy1]

thanks again everybody for the input going to start prepping the mews area next weekend hopefully if it stops raining that is lol

[Kanati]

do some research on what books are good (there is a old thread on here somewhere) I cant agree on the reading material you have just been suggested...Lee William Harris - the harris hawk?... Please dont buy it!

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

I PMd him the same advice on the books buy Mr William Harris.

[Harrisii]

do some research on what books are good (there is a old thread on here somewhere) I cant agree on the reading material you have just been suggested...Lee William Harris - the harris hawk?... Please dont buy it!


guess you dont like that book then K and kanati???

i thought it was not a bad read.
still, 3 out of 4 aint bad then....
perhaps is you suggested some yourself rather than slagging others suggestions paddy may find it more constructive and usefull.

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

guess you dont like that book then K and kanati???

i thought it was not a bad read.
still, 3 out of 4 aint bad then....
perhaps is you suggested some yourself rather than slagging others suggestions paddy may find it more constructive and usefull.
I did I gave him a load of titles via pm rather then bringing it up on the open forum. I would say that giving a beginner advice against a title that is inferior is not as you would say 'slagging', but constructive critisism. No swipe at you mate its just thta there are better and more concise treatise out there for the tiro. Regards Karl

[Harrisii]

I did I gave him a load of titles via pm rather then bringing it up on the open forum. I would say that giving a beginner advice against a title that is inferior is not as you would say 'slagging', but constructive critisism. No swipe at you mate its just thta there are better and more concise treatise out there for the tiro. Regards Karl

there are a lot of people who may benefit from these titles K.
its a forum, please share it. it could help others. thats what we are here for.
i suggested Mr L. W. Harris' books as they are basic and straight forward, exactly what i felt paddy would benefit from being a beginer and with limited knowledge. these, i felt would give him a more basic and broad knowledge of terminology and equipment needed which is what he was asking about.

i could have suggested more thorugh books but this i feel would not have helped him at this time.

[Kanati]

guess you dont like that book then K and kanati???

i thought it was not a bad read.
still, 3 out of 4 aint bad then....
perhaps is you suggested some yourself rather than slagging others suggestions paddy may find it more constructive and usefull.

I didnt suggest any, because there is loads of stuff on here about books...i thought it would be just as easy for paddy to look for the old threads...but ok.

ok mate...3 out of 4 :lol: i will give you the benefit of the doubt with LW harris other book...i didnt bother with it because i read the harris hawk one first, and that was enough for me.:-|

its not that i thought it was bad...i just though that it wasnt that good and i just wish i hadnt payed for it! and i have only read it once...which to me says that its not that good. (at least not as good as the competition)

there are far better books to part with your cash for. (ones that you will read again and again) Dr Fox Understanding birds of prey. and i like martin hollinshead books too. (all of them) but particularly the complete rabbit and hare hawk. i like JPjones books too...but mostly because shes funny the way she comes across as an angry school mistress. Emma Ford - falconry art and practice is also very good.

[Harrisii]

Emma Ford - falconry art and practice is also very good.

whooo, i mentioned that one,
got something right. lol. :goodman:

[Paddy1]

yep i will agree with jp jones book i have the training bops ive had it about a week and read it 3times and still picking up tips from it as for strict headteacher i agree with that aswell its like you darnt get anything wrong lol

[Kanati]

there are a lot of people who may benefit from these titles K.
its a forum, please share it. it could help others. thats what we are here for.
i suggested Mr L. W. Harris' books as they are basic and straight forward, exactly what i felt paddy would benefit from being a beginer and with limited knowledge. these, i felt would give him a more basic and broad knowledge of terminology and equipment needed which is what he was asking about.

i could have suggested more thorugh books but this i feel would not have helped him at this time.

I hope not to sound too harsh... but you are only really going to benefit from this book if you dont buy any others!..its better then not getting a book at all and better then getting a very old one that teaches things that are now realised as wrong, but if you but that book and any other uptodate one, then its going to be found wanting.

[Kanati]

i love a good debate :supz: ... so long as everyone stays friends after :roll:

[Paddy1]

i love a good debate :supz: ... so long as everyone stays friends after :roll:



i will agree with that so ar the books ive gt any good then or not lol

training bop jp jones
the modern falcner diana durham walters ?

[Kanati]

i will agree with that so ar the books ive gt any good then or not lol

training bop jp jones
the modern falcner diana durham walters ?

i dont know what books you have mate...i must have missed it:rolleyes: tell me again

[Paddy1]

i dont know what books you have mate...i must have missed it:rolleyes: tell me again



training bops by jemima parry-jones and the modern falconer by diana durham-walters

[Harrisii]

I hope not to sound too harsh... but you are only really going to benefit from this book if you dont buy any others!..its better then not getting a book at all and better then getting a very old one that teaches things that are now realised as wrong, but if you but that book and any other uptodate one, then its going to be found wanting.

i take it you mean "harris hawks" L.W.H.

yes its not an in depth training manual. it is a basic book with all the equipment needed and terminology used and something which i felt Paddy would enjoy reading. something he could pick things up from.
you dont feel the same, evidently.
i enjoyed reading the book, you didnt.
i learned some things, you didnt.

i still think he would enjoy it, you dont.
diference of opinions.

the thing is we both know there are better books about. there are more in depth books with more indepth subjects. but would these suit a beginer who wants to learn the "basics" of the sport, not to be bamboozled with the more intricate aspects of the sport.

and there was me thinking i was doing a good turn.

[Kanati]

training bops by jemima parry-jones and the modern falconer by diana durham-walters


i like the JPJones book. its a good one to have when you know nothing and want to know about training them etc but no much good once you pass that and want to get out hunting...but its funny.

i have not read the other book you have.

[Harrisii]

i will agree with that so ar the books ive gt any good then or not lol

training bop jp jones
the modern falcner diana durham walters ?

the JPJ book is a good one.
falconry art and practice is a good book which will compliment the above.

DDW book you can stick to the back of the shelf for the time being Paddy.
(its more about trianing and hunting falcons and breeding.)
the harris hawk, LWH, is definately better than the above one, by DDW.
its more suitable. pmsl.

[Paddy1]

sorted thanks peeps :supz:

[Kanati]

i take it you mean "harris hawks" L.W.H.

yes its not an in depth training manual. it is a basic book with all the equipment needed and terminology used and something which i felt Paddy would enjoy reading. something he could pick things up from.
you dont feel the same, evidently.
i enjoyed reading the book, you didnt.
i learned some things, you didnt.

i still think he would enjoy it, you dont.
diference of opinions.

the thing is we both know there are better books about. there are more in depth books with more indepth subjects. but would these suit a beginer who wants to learn the "basics" of the sport, not to be bamboozled with the more intricate aspects of the sport.

and there was me thinking i was doing a good turn.

its not the depth... its the..um... content and the quality. Its got a lot of the same stuff as the others but its jsut lacking that certain somthing. Its really hard to explain.

there is one extra thing that made me feel empty about that book, and its not fair to put it down because of it...but right at the end of writing a book about harris hawks and saying how the are good for this that and the other and how nice they are and how much fun etc etc. he says.."next season Im going to fly a Gos again. and goes on to put the harris down camparing it to the gos

of all the boks i ahve read, i have never heard of that. Dr Fox doesnt end with ..and im not going rook hawking next season

Martin holinshead doesnt end with im not going rabbit hawking with my female harris next season.

Its jsut wrong. hes writen a book for beginners about the harris and then ends with somthing that makes you wonder why he bothered.

but i think thats another debate :oops:

[Harrisii]

that clearly knocked the stuffing out of you kanati mate. lol.

can you at least see why i recomended this book to a beginer??
because its basic and teaches those with limited knowledge of the the first year harris.

i am sorry i brought it up. i am sorry it has scarred you Kanati, i will tell Lee when i see him next and i will personally refund your £22 for you.

hope you have amore productive read next time round. pmsl.

[Kanati]

that clearly knocked the stuffing out of you kanati mate. lol.

can you at least see why i recomended this book to a beginer??
because its basic and teaches those with limited knowledge of the the first year harris.

i am sorry i brought it up. i am sorry it has scarred you Kanati, i will tell Lee when i see him next and i will personally refund your £22 for you.

hope you have amore productive read next time round. pmsl.

:lol: i can see why mate, but i would advice getting emmas book instead.
Do you know him? :P now i feel like a tit. ha ha! im not trying to slate him or his book. i just think theres better. we are not going to agree on this are we!?!? Maybe i am scarred by the ending...but theres no need for a refund...someone might want to borrow it...and i can save them £22 :wink:

thaks Harrisii....you have livened up my evening:supz:

[Venividevenatio]

I would reckomend not buying Kits. Ive yet to be impressed buy one and there normally maketed buy lower end of the quality suppliers. Start as you mean to go on buy quality, get quality advice and stick preferably to one source. I say this as falconers have varying methods not all of which are compatable with each other.


Now that IS a sound piece of advice.

[Harrisii]

:lol: i can see why mate, but i would advice getting emmas book instead.
Do you know him? now i feel like a tit. ha ha! im not trying to slate him or his book. i just think theres better. we are not going to agree on this are we!?!? Maybe i am scarred by the ending...but theres no need for a refund...someone might want to borrow it...and i can save them £22 :wink:

thaks Harrisii....you have livened up my evening

glad you can see my reasons mate. thats made me smile.
and i think we do agree mate, there are better books, starting with art and practice.

but no Kanati, i dont know him. but you know, after reading his book, i feel like ive known him all my life. pmsl.

cheers Kanati, good banter mate.:goodman:

[Harrisii]

Originally Posted by K
I would reckomend not buying Kits. Ive yet to be impressed buy one and there normally maketed buy lower end of the quality suppliers. Start as you mean to go on buy quality, get quality advice and stick preferably to one source. I say this as falconers have varying methods not all of which are compatable with each other.

Now that IS a sound piece of advice.

ye know i agree with this as ive seen some nasty ones.
but i didnt want to get into a ding dong with someone.

my luck.

[Pitbull]

hi all as you know im new to this (falconry that is) just wondering what gear i need ?
ive got gauntlet, couple of swivels, hunting jesses,feild jesses, and a leash ,
only bought them so i could to do everything one handed, ive got coming weighing scales, hunting bag ,going to make a bow perch (could do with some dimensions ) and ive got to make the mews (again dimensions and designs wuld be great anything else anybody can think of would be a great help




thanks jay falconry:supz:



philip glasiers Falconry and Hawking.

[Kanati]

Originally Posted by K
I would reckomend not buying Kits. Ive yet to be impressed buy one and there normally maketed buy lower end of the quality suppliers. Start as you mean to go on buy quality, get quality advice and stick preferably to one source. I say this as falconers have varying methods not all of which are compatable with each other.



ye know i agree with this as ive seen some nasty ones.
but i didnt want to get into a ding dong with someone.

my luck.


What are you talking about Harrisii???! Kits are the best things to get! :wink: pmsl

[Harrisii]

What are you talking about Harrisii???! Kits are the best things to get! :wink: pmsl

oh no, i cant get it right can I.
pmsl.