completely parent reared peregrines ?

[Falconry Equipment International]

Hi I suppose this is one really for the mor eexperineced breeders such as Brad/terry & sarah/ MArk but has anyone on here had completely parent reared peregrines ( apart from obviously fitting DEFRA rings), ie no input apart from this and of course feeding them? I have a a pair on eggs for 1st time reckon due to hatch sometime around 26th May ( 1st egg noticed 26th April) ~ 3rd June( saw 3 eggs but incubation by both tiercel and Falcon already well under way by then) would appreciate any sensible input and all the possible pitfalls (I am fairly well read on most aspects & of course seen all the videos etc but most or all seem to involve human intervention and I understand the reasoning for this, But I am not in a position to do this and also I feel it imoprtant to allow the pair to do their own thing as it is 1st year they have been together) I hope this makes sense apprecited any help ...... the expecant surrogate father !

[Barry]

Julian,

This is the only way I have ever reared peregrines and it does seem to produce the most even minded silent birds, but they will break your heart. They tip eggs out, they eat chicks, and a good scare like a cat or buzzard near by has them leaving the nest so fast that they drag eggs or chicks out of the nest.

However when you take them it is an incredible joy and makes up for all the past losses.

I go in to ring at nine days to ring the chicks and the birds don't see anyone again until I take them. The aviary is total daylight seclusion. I know many people don't like daylight seclusion anymore but it works for me and the birds are wonderful.

Barry.

[Falconry Equipment International]

Thanks barry any more folk that can give me input ??

[Merger]

Dont know if its of any help to you, but as Barry says things can go wrong ,that you wont somtimes notice, due to lacl of interferance!, I now put, male ring on first, followed by female ring, on same leg, with a small piece of masting tape holding, the two,, Reason, one year I kicked open the door at ten weeks, chased a female around with a landing net, caught her up, brought into mews, gave her to a friend, to hold, then noticed blood all over my hand, no I had not been bitten,, the female ring, had at some point during development, slid over the knee joint, and the upper part of the leg, had grown into the ring,, a bit like old barbed wire, on an oak tree!!! while chasing the bird about, it had oppened up, about one inch!, anyway , the ring was removed at the vets, up to the bone, but luckily no tendon damage,, and three weeks later the leg was perfect,, but what a **** start!!! and these were checked twice a day, on cameras, just didnt notice anything wrong, but as barry says, its a real buzz, when you take them out.....

[Barbary Boy]

what makes you so sure they are fertile? i allways pull the 1st clutch even off 1st time breeders and have allways got a second clutch, never had a problem returning 1st clutch chicks to parents and find the 10 days of hand rearing has no bad side effects on the young when caught up and trained. put the larger ring on 1st then the smaller ring, i allso find i can return young up to 12 days old without problems this means that rings will stay on better, 1st time breeders may stuggle with hatching and rearing young for the 1st time older more experienced pairs are not such a worry. good luck.

[Red-Devil]

Hi I suppose this is one really for the mor eexperineced breeders such as Brad/terry & sarah/ MArk but has anyone on here had completely parent reared peregrines ( apart from obviously fitting DEFRA rings), ie no input apart from this and of course feeding them? I have a a pair on eggs for 1st time reckon due to hatch sometime around 26th May ( 1st egg noticed 26th April) ~ 3rd June( saw 3 eggs but incubation by both tiercel and Falcon already well under way by then) would appreciate any sensible input and all the possible pitfalls (I am fairly well read on most aspects & of course seen all the videos etc but most or all seem to involve human intervention and I understand the reasoning for this, But I am not in a position to do this and also I feel it imoprtant to allow the pair to do their own thing as it is 1st year they have been together) I hope this makes sense apprecited any help ...... the expecant surrogate father !
what help you looking for ,just keep fingers crossed at 9 days fit rings ,i done mine yesturday ,fingers crossed again ,thats it

[Natch]

what young were fitting rings to natch

[Altai]

If returning older chicks keep an eye on the amount of food the parents feed to them. Some birds try to feed the quantities that they would to a newly hatched chick. It is as if they are pre programmed and it takes them a little time to catch on.

[Falconry Equipment International]

what makes you so sure they are fertile? i allways pull the 1st clutch even off 1st time breeders and have allways got a second clutch, never had a problem returning 1st clutch chicks to parents and find the 10 days of hand rearing has no bad side effects on the young when caught up and trained. put the larger ring on 1st then the smaller ring, i allso find i can return young up to 12 days old without problems this means that rings will stay on better, 1st time breeders may stuggle with hatching and rearing young for the 1st time older more experienced pairs are not such a worry. good luck.
Not at all sure they are fertile Bboy & of course will only find out when & if anything hatches or goes well past expected hatch dates BTW tiercel is 7 & falcon is 3

[Falconry Equipment International]

If returning older chicks keep an eye on the amount of food the parents feed to them. Some birds try to feed the quantities that they would to a newly hatched chick. It is as if they are pre programmed and it takes them a little time to catch on.
not sure what you mean here, , I don't intend to remove the chicks ( if the eggs are fertile and hatch) apart from ringinging them does that make sense?

[Altai]

what makes you so sure they are fertile? i allways pull the 1st clutch even off 1st time breeders and have allways got a second clutch, never had a problem returning 1st clutch chicks to parents and find the 10 days of hand rearing has no bad side effects on the young when caught up and trained. put the larger ring on 1st then the smaller ring, i allso find i can return young up to 12 days old without problems this means that rings will stay on better, 1st time breeders may stuggle with hatching and rearing young for the 1st time older more experienced pairs are not such a worry. good luck.

Sorrymy comments should have gone with this info.

[Altai]

not sure what you mean here, , I don't intend to remove the chicks ( if the eggs are fertile and hatch) apart from ringinging them does that make sense?

Getting old and confused!!!!!

[Falconry Equipment International]

:rolleyes: :lol: :lol:

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

Personally I would recomend you to take them on pip, (put dummys with the parents) hatch them in a incubator rear them inside untill a few days old and put them back, or you are more or less guaranteed to loose them....
BUt I can understand you want to try it, but you are very likely to end up with dead chicks, expecially if they are proper pure peregrinus, the larger kind.

[Falconry Equipment International]

Hi ATFHB, where would I get dummies to replace them?

[Falcon911]

Hi ATFHB, where would I get dummies to replace them?

Coloured Bantam eggs will do.

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

Hi ATFHB, where would I get dummies to replace them?

Sorry for not replying, been so busy with the falcon babys and im not on here that often, yes, redish colored bantam eggs will do, or any kind of small falcon eggs, pere, lanner etc. if you have a breeder with infertile eggs close by?

[Falcon911]

Sorry for not replying, been so busy with the falcon babys and im not on here that often, yes, redish colored bantam eggs will do, or any kind of small falcon eggs, pere, lanner etc. if you have a breeder with infertile eggs close by?

I have plenty of spare infertile eggs this year......

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

I have plenty of spare infertile eggs this year......

you are not alone........................

[Falconry Equipment International]

hmm than sounds ominous!:roll:

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

What does ominous mean?

[MickeyDredd]

Basically it means not a very good outlook or forecast, impending doom :rolleyes:

[Falconry Equipment International]

sorry Sara, I tend to come out with longer words than neccessary, an unusual trait of my dyslexia , beleive it or not the more complex the word the easier I find it to spell it ( with the exception of neccessary!:rolleyes: :roll: )