when?

[Daniel.ONeill]

im getting a mhh at the end of june, my first bird, i have the perfect open conryside to fly a lanner, and i wanted to learn a bit from a harris before i moved on, how long should i keep the harris before i get a lanner instead or as well as the hh, also, would that be cruel to the hh. i thought the bop wouldnt mind being sold on as lond as the new owner was good?

[Shaun Byrne]

F.F.S.:roll: :roll:

[Daniel.ONeill]

im getting a mhh soon, i wanted to know how long i should keep the hh before i go onto a lanner because i have conryside that will do justice to a lanner. also would it upset the hh going to a new owner?

[Ben C]

Dan.....Keep the Harris hunting for the length of its natural life....18 to 20 years.

Hawka.......not much to add to that. :yawinkle:

[Sprout]

Poor attitude, if you think you have enough skills to train a HH then get the Lanner - I think it is completely the wrong mentality to want one bird to "practice" on before getting rid to get another, there are enough HH out here as it is, why should someone want your second hand one??? So what hapens if you can't re-home it, is it destined to spend the rest of its life in an aviary because you are flying your Lanner. If you want a Lanner, get one, don;t get a HH and let it suffer in the long run because you don;t really want it.

[Daniel.ONeill]

i just wanted to know wheather i should get the lanner as well?

[Paddy1]

im getting a mhh at the end of june, my first bird, i have the perfect open conryside to fly a lanner, and i wanted to learn a bit from a harris before i moved on, how long should i keep the harris before i get a lanner instead or as well as the hh, also, would that be cruel to the hh. i thought the bop wouldnt mind being sold on as lond as the new owner was good?


mate only get a hh if you intend to keep it and fly often its not fir on the bid to be bought nd then passed on willy nilly

[Sprout]

i just wanted to know wheather i should get the lanner as well?
First bird??? NO, learn on one bird, do a good job first. Don't run before you can walk - one new eyass is more than enough for anyone at one time.

[Ben C]

Just get the one animal and work with that for as long as it is alive....simple. :supz: :supz: :supz: :supz:

[Daniel.ONeill]

no no no, i meant learn with the harris for 5-6 years then get a lanner as well and fly them both, i intend to make centre near oxford as the closest centre at the mo is in warwick

[Sprout]

no no no, i meant learn with the harris for 5-6 years then get a lanner as well and fly them both, i intend to make centre near oxford as the closest centre at the mo is in warwick
WALK BEFORE YOU RUN

[Ben C]

no no no, i meant learn with the harris for 5-6 years then get a lanner as well and fly them both, i intend to make centre near oxford as the closest centre at the mo is in warwick


Ask yourself why there is no centre near you???? Perhaps they have all closed because no one wanted one..............you may lose all your cash and become homeless if you did it. I would just stick to the HH for the time being......its a lot safer.

[Matty]

Ask yourself why there is no centre near you???? Perhaps they have all closed because no one wanted one..............you may lose all your cash and become homeless if you did it. I would just stick to the HH for the time being......its a lot safer.


yep one bird is plenty enough
unless you dont need to work for a living

[Shaun Byrne]

Daniel, I have just noticed your age so my first post was maybe a little harsh.

Read and take in what everyone on this thread is telling you. If you have land and quarry that suits a longwing then why get a Hawk and vice-versa?

Apart from the problems you are going to face with juggling school and flying a bird during the winter months you should try and fly any bird in your care to its FULL potential and in godd style, not just use it as a cheap, throw away training aid.

[Matthew Patching]

You Intend to open a centre near oxford. Are you real? You havnt even got your first bird and you think that you can run a centre and educate the public on matters that you obviously know nothing about. In your original message you mentioned getting rid of the HH and moving on to a lanner then because you get a slatting you change tack and say you will keep the HH and fly it for 5-6 years then get the lanner. If you want a lanner then dont get the HH, you will never do him justice anyway, as you will always be thinking well Im gonna get a lanner soon anyway.

[Ben C]

Matt.....the lad is 14 mate.

[FlameHairedFalconer]

Matt - Daniel is 14 and I am sure his wish to open a centre is part of his youthful enthusiasm for falconry. Its not really fair of us to step on his dreams (leave that to his parents/teachers, mine certainly did - hard!) After all, one day, he may just manage to do it!! (we'll leave him to find out about business plans, bank loans and bankrupcy!) Who are we to judge his future 10 years hence?

Daniel - It is best to walk before you can run - you have years and years of falconry experience to come, theres no need to rush anything!

FHF

[Matthew Patching]

Matt - Daniel is 14 and I am sure his wish to open a centre is part of his youthful enthusiasm for falconry. Its not really fair of us to step on his dreams (leave that to his parents/teachers, mine certainly did - hard!) After all, one day, he may just manage to do it!! (we'll leave him to find out about business plans, bank loans and bankrupcy!) Who are we to judge his future 10 years hence?



FHF

FHF 14 or 44 deosnt realy matter, I tell it like it is, BOP are not toys they are not fishing rods they are not PSPs they are living breathing organisms and deserve treating as such. that is just my opinion.

At 14 I was already going to the pub! and getting wasted with my mates but I NEVER treated my birds like disposable items.

[FlameHairedFalconer]

FHF 14 or 44 deosnt realy matter, I tell it like it is, BOP are not toys they are not fishing rods they are not PSPs they are living breathing organisms and deserve treating as such. that is just my opinion.

At 14 I was already going to the pub! and getting wasted with my mates but I NEVER treated my birds like disposable items.

And I suppose you never gave out the wrong impression on an internet forum at 14 either....give the child a break Matt.

FHF

[Matthew Patching]

When I was 14 they didnt have internet forums where I could give out 'the wrong impression' I learnt falconry the hard way, By going out with other falconers and being general dogs body, I still never treated any bird like a disposable object. maybe its societys fault but all kids treat everything like disposables these days (my own included) and this is a thing that I am trying to stop. deosnt matter what it is a living animal is not a throw away Item. I still own my first bird although he resides in a breeding chamber with a female, at a freinds house, where he and the female rear countless HH chicks for the guy and dont those CBs make good parents.

[FlameHairedFalconer]

When I was 14 they didnt have internet forums where I could give out 'the wrong impression'

Exactly Matt - the point I was trying to make.

I too learnt falconry the 'hard way' as you put it. Doesnt mean that everyone has to or will do, or that they will be poor falconers because they dont. There is nothing wrong with Daniels youthful enthusiasm, which is no doubt tempered due to the replies he has had here, and has thus been a learning experience for him.

FHF

[Daniel.ONeill]

i didnt mean start a centre now, firstly i know i havent got enough experience to start one now and secondly i had no intension of starting a centre unltil im far older, and for gods sake it was only a question, you could have just said" stay with the hh" and i would have done, i just thaught that bop didnt really respect their handler, and wouldnt mind going to another owner. But now that youve said it i dont mind. il stay with the hh.
but you really need to calm down, if i was certain that i was gonna get a lanner straight away i wouldnt have asked the question.and who are you to say i cant make a centre??!

[Harris]

and who are you to say i cant make a centre??!

Good for you mate!! I hope you go on to open the biggest and best centre in the country!!

Some people here should be ashamed of themselves for the replies given to this Lad! Think before you post!! :evil:

[Jackson]

daniel - walk before you can run!!!

if you want a lanner then go for it - dont waste a perfectly good hh!!! but at your age (14) then maybe rethink!!
if you realy want the hh then do it but if you want it to prcatice on type thing then to get rid of it for a lanner theres little point getting the hh! if all you want is the lanner at the end of the day then you may want to wait a little as they require a lot of time(as do hh to an extent)!!!!

people often jump to conclusions on here lol so if you look past the slagging (some which maybe unintentional) then youll find your answer!!

setting up a centre was once my dream around 5 years ago but since ive been working at one ive witnessed the dedication needed - sacrficing holidays for example!! it wont pay you much and it is very expensive (insurance, food, vet bills, etc etc)!! its a great dream to have but trust me it is very hard!!!!!!

what experiance do you have??
are there any mentors near you??
if you can join a club!!! theyre great for when you need help and socially too
visit as many centres, shows as possible
and get a job (or money) - you cant expect to keep a bird without money - its cost me an arm and a leg so far and im still not got evrything!!!

all the best

sarah

p.s. dont expect to start a thread with little background on yourself like this and not get slagging!!

[Daniel.ONeill]

ive decided that i dont really want a lanner,i prefer the more gregarious bird, maybe il get another bird when i own my own home

[Daniel.ONeill]

but that dosnt change my centre idea one bit

[FlameHairedFalconer]

but that dosnt change my centre idea one bit

Good for you Daniel :yawinkle:

FHF

[Jackson]

but that dosnt change my centre idea one bit

good!! i look forward ti visiting it in the future!!!;)

good luck with the hh then!!

al the best

[Fires59]

but that dosnt change my centre idea one bit


get all the help and experience you can mate and then when you are older you can decide wether you can open a centre with you no harm in having dreams at the end of the day nothing is impossible sometimes improbable:)

[Zam]

I find this is always a tricky one.

You are just starting out in falconry. You read all the books etc - but nothing beats hands-on with your own bird. Now comes the predicament.

Do you stick with one bird for the rest of it's natural life? Do you "learn" with one - say, a Harris - then move onto another - maybe a Lanner?

I noted, Daniel, you say you didn't think BoP "respected" the falconer. Maybe you meant "loved" or "cared for" - they certainly should respect the falconer. They should see you as the essential partner in their hunting life. You hunt together. As one. They must respect you. Just as you must respect them.

Personally, I prefer to stay with my original birds. I fly two - both of whom I have owned/trained etc from the start. Their different flying requirements mean they compliment each other. One prefers strong winds and cold days - the other prefers gentle winds. No matter what the weather (unless it's peeing down) one or the other always goes out!!

I certainly feel that the longer you fly a particular bird, the more seasons you have together, the more you can learn from each other - therefore the better you both get!!

Just my opinion. Good luck with your bird, Daniel. But please, try to see her as a life-long partner, rather than a Ford Escort - something to be traded in as soon as you're done with her.

[The New Kid]

Matt... When you were 14, they barely had bloody tv's :P

Dude, i'd definately onl start out with one bird - and try and keep that bird for as long as possible, hopefuly its entire life. As people have said, theres no point getting a bird just to think "oh, i'll pass it on when I get my new bird"... saying that sounds like "it doesnt matter if I screw up on this one, im getting a new one anyway". Its not the way it works... you should concentrate wholly on one bird until you can definately handle another. if you want to fly falcons, start with a falcon instead of a harris. As long as you do your homework well, I can't see why you shouldnt :)

Good luck man :D

Greg