An Austringers Worse Nightmare!!!

[GaryPCO]

Sorry guys not nice but as you americans know it happens!!!
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*edit changed the link so the video could be displayed without erm dodgy stuff around it ha ha

[Taffwall]

terrible vid. a few electric wires on my permission. im dreading it.

mores to the point. you just got me in big trouble with the mrs:roll: . she just walked in and saw the pop up with all them naked chick and went mad:oops:
thinks ive been watching porn again:supz:

[Taffwall]

perhaps i should have thought my answer through before opening my mouth.
when she asked what the hell i was doing i replied-

WATCHING SOME BIRD GETTING ROASTED:!:

[SakerYZF]

perhaps i should have thought my answer through before opening my mouth.
when she asked what the hell i was doing i replied-

WATCHING SOME BIRD GETTING ROASTED:!:

LOL.... !!

Shame about the vid man... real bad luck:-(

[Talon]

seen this clip before i have the dvd its, hawking the gos ,
bloody shame.

hey taffwall what do you mean you mrs thinks your watching porn (AGAIN )?

so you have been at it before lol:yawinkle:

[Taffwall]

oops. did i just say that on a public forum:wink:
oh what the hell, she's gone to bed now, im in the spare room again, which by no coincidence houses a tv/video combi and a modest stash of chick flicks:supz:

[Graham Stuart]

perhaps i should have thought my answer through before opening my mouth.
when she asked what the hell i was doing i replied-

WATCHING SOME BIRD GETTING ROASTED:!:

Classic mate:yawinkle:

My FHH did the same years ago when i got to her she got up had a shake and flew to my fist, but i think her brain was cooked as she turned mentle after that:twisted:

[Claire]

sorry guys but because of the content of the rest of the site I have moved it to 18+ we dint want the little ones visiting that page lol



edit* cut out the rest of the site and edited the first post so it can now go back for all to see

[GaryPCO]

no worries claire i did think afterwards,wasnt the bird getting cooked but the rest of the stuff on the website that worryed me,i only logged on this morning to try and get it moved,well done good modding....:wink:

[Joey]

is that a hh my mate lukes fhh did the same hit two wire and hit the deck 5 minutes later she woke up and was back to normal the vet said now we call her sparky lol




joey

[Matt]

i had a female haris get an ark of elec in to her wing it bunt a tiny kole in her secondard and in her deck . she **** her self but was fine i feed hger up and gave her a week of . im sure she was sore as hell as iv been electricuted myself and every muscle spasoms and contracts at once.
i think if there are power transformers then just dont let the bird from the fist and move away .
it realy isnt worth it.
all the best

[NGuruve]

flip that sucks i would probbly cry if that hapened to me

[Accipter-Gentilis]

its so easy its scary,never had it happen to me but have heard of it happening one survived and one got smoked.:evil:

[Tasha55403]

I haven't watched the vid-I've seen two great birds die that way and I don't need to see it again:cry: At the infamous Garden City, Kansas NAFA meet a couple years ago Reppa (first year passage MRT at the time) got mildly electrocuted. I had just let him go and he went up to land on top of an insulator-nothing scary about that, right? Wrong. I actually had my back turned to walk into the brush when I heard one of our friend's groan and swear. I turned around and my bird was making a shallow glide to the ground. I walked over to him and picked him up-he wouldn't hop up to Greg's fist (he was closer). He definitely wasn't feeling very good. The leather bewit of his legmount transmitter was scorched and he had a scorch mark on his leg where the transmitter touched him, but we never found another mark on him. We were lucky to have someone prepared with. She gave him a shot of something and some pedialyte dipped tidbits and he got to rest in the hotel room for a couple days. Since he seemed ok, so I took him out the last day of the meet (FAR from any poles whatsoever) and we had some fabulous flying on pheasants and rabbits-he did catch a bunny, too:supz:
I think something like 14 birds died of electrocution at that meet. Some friends later went back to that area to hunt and lost another bird to electrocution. Plus, a girl that lost her first redtail (we lent her our transmitter) at that meet had her bird die from electrocution on the same pole someone's bird had died on during the meet. Our friends that went back to hunt there found it and took off it's equipment and returned it to her (in a very roundabout way-it's probably the most well-traveled equipment in the US:rolleyes: ) We did get our transmitter back, it just needed a new antenna and the contacts cleaned. The bird probably chewed the antenna off the first night out since they couldn't find a signal the next morning. Garden City may have some awesome hawkin, but you wouldn't find me hunting there unless there wasn't a pole in sight for miles.

[Joey]

whao 14 bird was that in the same few days



joey

[Joey]

after 1 bird dying i would of called of the meeting and traveled somewhere else or home



joey

[Tasha55403]

whao 14 bird was that in the same few days



joey

Yes, all in one week at the NAFA meet in November, 2004. I think 4 or 5 other birds got killed by other means (eagles, ferruginous, etc). It was a rough meet, I doubt we'll ever go back there for a meet again it was so bad, though the people were great.

[Joey]

well its the way the world goes round id never go there again i hate flying my bird on this bit of permission cos its got a few electric lines goin over the fields but the woods is ok nothing goin across it but she has landed on the line before but it was ok cos she wasnt touching the two and 110,000 volts run through it and she wouldnt of even be ashes i have seen a few racing pigeons hit them and explode and when i found them they were in half or wings blow clean off



joey

[Tasha55403]

after 1 bird dying i would of called of the meeting and traveled somewhere else or home



joey

It's a bit hard to move +400 falconers in the middle of a field meet. There just aren't that many hotels that can accomodate all of us with a weathering yard. Not to mention it's several hours drive at least to another city the size that would have enough hotels to house everyone and good luck them having the ROOM for them at a moment's notice. It just wouldn't have been feasible. After the first couple days or so, everyone knew of the risk of electrocution. There was something about the way they were wiring the poles out there that was just death on birds. I mean, my bird just barely touched the top of an insulator and pole with his jesses/transmitter-he didn't touch anything else that would be obviously dangerous like a can or even two wires. After that he generally wouldn't land on top of the insulators, even though that's his preference-done it hundreds of times before he got zapped. He would buzz them like he was going to land, then pitch up and go elsewhere as if he suddenly remembered getting shocked. He still does that, actually, though every now and then he'll still land on one.

[Joey]

well between a live bird and a dead one i would of just got off but thats me my bird before anything thats the way it is



joey

[Tasha55403]

Once it was known there was a problem we didn't fly where we didn't think it was safe. When we flew Reppa there were NO cans or anything suspicious looking in the area. There shouldn't have been any risk where we flew him. At that point we didn't realize just how bad things were out there. When we flew him on the last day there were no poles anywhere, just one small, old windmill for him to perch on-it was fun:) He had some great flights on pheasants and bunnies. It was hilarious watching him bounce off the russian thistle (?), but he managed to catch a bunny anyways:)
Even if we did decide to completely not fly the birds we wouldn't have gone home. The NAFA meet is our one chance of the year to see falconers from all across the country/world (and generally an 8 or 9 hour drive at the least). You hunt during the day and socialize at night. It's my favorite trip of the year-it just can't be beat. You don't just pack up and leave because a bird dies. It's a tragedy, but you go on and enjoy the meet. Going home wouldn't bring the bird back. There's risk every time you let your bird go. If you hunt your bird hard there's a very good chance something will happen eventually, but that's what falconry IS-hunting. Anything less is petkeeping, and to be perfectly honest if I couldn't hunt a bird I wouldn't keep it. It just doesn't do anything for me. You simply have to weigh the risks and do everything you can to minimize them. Once the risk of electrocution was known at the NAFA meet I didn't fly anywhere I thought there was a risk. I still got bit, but who could've predicted something as innocent as an insulator should be would be dangerous? And when I flew him after that there was no chance he would get zapped because there were no poles for him to get zapped on. We were lucky at the beginning of the meet (before we knew the risk) when I flew him. By sheer chance we flew in another area that didn't have poles, just some high hay bales. That was another fantastic day. For that one day of his life he worked well with a LARGE crowd. He had some phenomenal flights. He went down almost at the feet of a friend who had come all the way from Alaska and just missed a hen pheasant AND a rabbit! He also nearly had a cock pheasant from a hovering flight in front of the crowd. We all thought he was mousing till the rooster took off. Dang I love that bird!

[AngelJakki]

A friend of mine was flying his male harris. The wind picked up and took him straight across the field into the next and as he came over the brow of the hill he saw a flash of light and his bird fall out of the sky. He ran over and thought he was gone he carried him home and left him quiet and he pulled through the next day and has a scar on the side of his head. So even if they are not on your permission could still be a hazard.

Such a shame to see any animal go that way.

[Taffwall]

first post off the thread that was merged to this one


ive recently been told that a huge danger to a bop when flying it free is electric wires/pilons. i know a man who has had 3 fried over the years. why is it that wild birds can sit on these wires and live to tell the tale but the second your bop goes near 1 it gets zapped?
(prob been covered before but cant find it)

[BuzzBee]

ive recently been told that a huge danger to a bop when flying it free is electric wires/pilons. i know a man who has had 3 fried over the years. why is it that wild birds can sit on these wires and live to tell the tale but the second your bop goes near 1 it gets zapped?
(prob been covered before but cant find it)

Because you have to touch 2 of the wires to get shocked or the bit in the middle where they all join. Guess their just lucky like some of are Bop when they land on them. Hope this helps.
loz

[AngelJakki]

Its something to do with the metal we put on our birds on the anklets and bell and telemetry maybe.

[GoodFooter]

I thought they had to be earthed to get electrocuted

[Taffwall]

Because you have to touch 2 of the wires to get shocked or the bit in the middle where they all join. Guess their just lucky like some of are Bop when they land on them. Hope this helps.
loz

ive spoken to a falconer who told me this wasnt true as he lost his bird as it landed on 1 wire. he saw the electricity arc from the wire to the bop a split second before it landed?

[Paddy1]

I thought they had to be earthed to get electrocuted


no mate as i beleve if you tough both together its a gonna mate no matter who or what you are same as railway tracks

[Tasha55403]

For one thing-telemetry and jesses create more chance they'll touch something they shouldn't and ground things out. Seen birds wild and falconry, land on things they shouldn't many times. But three times out of those many they got electrocuted right in front of me. Two birds died instantly.
Many wild birds DO get electrocuted, but it isn't noticed as much. It's just another dead bird-ignored and eaten by the scavengers.

[Taffwall]

Its something to do with the metal we put on our birds on the anklets and bell and telemetry maybe.


that could make a lot of sense.

[Paddy1]

ive spoken to a falconer who told me this wasnt true as he lost his bird as it landed on 1 wire. he saw the electricity arc from the wire to the bop a split second before it landed?

suppose could be arcing across to the bells or telem then

[Berkut]

Taffwall,
I have had 3 falcons electrocuted in this way over the years and it is horrendous.
I had a lovely black gyr/pere female.She was a great gull hawk and some do-gooder chased her off a gull,whereby she landed on some overhead wires and literally "popped". The idiot then took the gull to the vets.

[Barbary Boy]

Its something to do with the metal we put on our birds on the anklets and bell and telemetry maybe.
could this be something to do with why the eagle owl bred in yorkshire got fried? is there a case to stop ringing! i think so, but not just for this reason.

[Harris]

One of the problems is that our birds have a much bigger wingspans than most birds that park on pilons so theres a greater chance of them touching 2 wires and frying :lol:

[GoodFooter]

no mate as i beleve if you tough both together its a gonna mate no matter who or what you are same as railway tracks
how comes i can grab my electric fence when wearing wellies and hardly a shock...did it bare foot and scared the living daylights out of me!!!!

[BuzzBee]

ive spoken to a falconer who told me this wasnt true as he lost his bird as it landed on 1 wire. he saw the electricity arc from the wire to the bop a split second before it landed?

The Falconers i know have said it has to touch two wires otherwise how do you explain a sparrow for example sitting there perfectly happy and then so do the other birds. But when ares fly up there they get shocked with their wings out? Just what ive seen and been told.
Loz

[Taffwall]

Taffwall,
I have had 3 falcons electrocuted in this way over the years and it is horrendous.
I had a lovely black gyr/pere female.She was a great gull hawk and some do-gooder chased her off a gull,whereby she landed on some overhead wires and literally "popped". The idiot then took the gull to the vets.


that must have been horrendous. bet you wanted to strangle them. the do gooder would have had to take himself to hospital before the vets if it was my bird!
( joking im not encouraging violence)

[Harris]

how comes i can grab my electric fence when wearing wellies and hardly a shock...did it bare foot and scared the living daylights out of me!!!!


Thats because the wellies insulate you from the ground, so that the current cant go to earth. but I wouldn't try it on railway lines :lol:

[BuzzBee]

how comes i can grab my electric fence when wearing wellies and hardly a shock...did it bare foot and scared the living daylights out of me!!!!

Doesnt rubber conduct electricity?

[Berkut]

how comes i can grab my electric fence when wearing wellies and hardly a shock...did it bare foot and scared the living daylights out of me!!!!
I once peed on an electric fence by mistake and I didn,t have wellies on.
Not pleasant.

[Tasha55403]

Not very well.

[Harris]

Doesnt rubber conduct electricity?


No it insulates!!

[GoodFooter]

Thats because the wellies insulate you from the ground, so that the current cant go to earth. but I wouldn't try it on railway lines :lol:
well if that is the case it is about being earthed ...isnt it? wellies insulate ie not earthed....bare foot earthed and fried!

[Paddy1]

how comes i can grab my electric fence when wearing wellies and hardly a shock...did it bare foot and scared the living daylights out of me!!!!

if you touch two live wires that have stupid amount of volts running through the they have to be earthed somewhere i suppose (actually isnt it the ampage that does the damage not the voltage?)

[Accipter-Gentilis]

gary pco posted a small vid clip of pylons/electric cable shock to B.O.P look at his profile and find threads started by him you will see the consiquences i must add its horrific hth

[Kevin Massey]

I've merged these two threads cos they are virtualy the same

[Accipter-Gentilis]

:oops:
too late

[Blaze]

A friend of mines male harris got a belt of a pilon...it fell to the floor like a brick would...he ran over thinking that it was game over but as he approached rico came round and flew off into a tree.....a little while later he came down to the fist!...a bit shaken but made a full recovery!

[Taffwall]

The Falconers i know have said it has to touch two wires otherwise how do you explain a sparrow for example sitting there perfectly happy and then so do the other birds. But when ares fly up there they get shocked with their wings out? Just what ive seen and been told.
Loz


i dont know how you explain it. anyone out there with a masters in physics who can help.
the man i know who had his bird electrocuted showed me the place. there were only 2 wires on the pole. the harris went to land on 1 and got fried. didnt go anywhere near the second wire

[Hobby]

I have read with interest the quest by Morley Nelson in America to have the electric overhead cables altered or provide a perch over the wires to prevent birds being electrocuted,this was caused by the wings touching both wires at the same time.

[Harris]

well if that is the case it is about being earthed ...isnt it? wellies insulate ie not earthed....bare foot earthed and fried!

Correct.

[GoodFooter]

if you touch two live wires that have stupid amount of volts running through the they have to be earthed somewhere i suppose (actually isnt it the ampage that does the damage not the voltage?)
I think so but voltage is like the pressure at which it is forced through.

[Harris]

i dont know how you explain it. anyone out there with a masters in physics who can help.
the man i know who had his bird electrocuted showed me the place. there were only 2 wires on the pole. the harris went to land on 1 and got fried. didnt go anywhere near the second wire

Was there anything near that it could have touched that could cause it to earth?

[Harris]

I think so but voltage is like the pressure at which it is forced through.


Think of a river flowing under a bridge, Voltage is the amount of water that passes under the bridge in a given time, ampage is the amount of canoes that pass under the bridge at the same time. the more canoes the higher the amps :yawinkle:

[GoodFooter]

the priniple is the same when sky diving if you get hung up on power line your OK unless someone tries to rescue you with a ladder!!

[Paddy1]

I think so but voltage is like the pressure at which it is forced through.

ye but isnt it ampage that does the damage ie voltage gives you the belt ut ampage fries you ? i think ive got it the right way ound long time since i done science at school lol

[Taffwall]

I have read with interest the quest by Morley Nelson in America to have the electric overhead cables altered or provide a perch over the wires to prevent birds being electrocuted,this was caused by the wings touching both wires at the same time.

the man im talking about had a 6 yr battle with the electric company before they gave in and actually insulated the wires with a plastic coating about 2-3 ft either side of the wooden pole. in most cases this would do the trick as i asume most bop are attracted to the pole area as it is usually the highest vantage point around and attractive therefor to sit on?

[Paddy1]

Was there anything near that it could have touched that could cause it to earth?

if it arcs across i dont suppose it matters its gotta be earthed some where along the line anyway

[Harris]

ye but isnt it ampage that does the damage ie voltage gives you the belt ut ampage fries you ? i think ive got it the right way ound long time since i done science at school lol


Yes mate the higher the ampage the greater the damage, Voltage is only the force at which the amps are delivered.

[Harris]

if it arcs across i dont suppose it matters its gotta be earthed some where along the line anyway

You wont get an arc on a normal powerline due to the insulation, even if thats broken down the voltage would need to be silly high to cause an arc.

[GoodFooter]

Think of a river flowing under a bridge, Voltage is the amount of water that passes under the bridge in a given time, ampage is the amount of canoes that pass under the bridge at the same time. the more canoes the higher the amps :yawinkle:
isnt it more like water flowing through a pipe ......volts are the pressure and amps the volume???? with voltage times the ampage giving the power ( wattage ???? or am I way off and should I stick to canoes:confused:

[Taffwall]

Was there anything near that it could have touched that could cause it to earth?

there was nothing ,except the other wire, within metres. i think if the voltage/amps is strong enough the electricity can arc a considerable distance.
im really at a loss to explain, but it happened.
why does this happen to bop and not wild birds is the question. i think as others have said , it must be something to do with the metals we put on our bop. but again i am just guessing

[Harris]

isnt it more like water flowing through a pipe ......volts are the pressure and amps the volume???? with voltage times the ampage giving the power ( wattage ???? or am I way off and should I stick to canoes:confused:


Close, the volume would be Watts ie, Volts times amps = watts

watts divided by volts = amps
watts divded by amps = volts

But I agree Canoeing is much more fun :lol:

[Harris]

there was nothing ,except the other wire, within metres. i think if the voltage/amps is strong enough the electricity can arc a considerable distance.
im really at a loss to explain, but it happened.
why does this happen to bop and not wild birds is the question. i think as others have said , it must be something to do with the metals we put on our bop. but again i am just guessing


I honestly Don't know mate, there would have to be a lot of voltage to arc though! i cant see how the metal on the bird would have an effect if the power can't earth! So like you am at a loss to explain that one mate

[GregMik]

isnt it more like water flowing through a pipe ......volts are the pressure and amps the volume???? with voltage times the ampage giving the power ( wattage ???? or am I way off and should I stick to canoes:confused:

Goodfooter,
You are exactly right.

Buzzbee,
Rubber insulates.

there was nothing ,except the other wire, within metres. i think if the voltage/amps is strong enough the electricity can arc a considerable distance.
im really at a loss to explain, but it happened.
why does this happen to bop and not wild birds is the question. i think as others have said , it must be something to do with the metals we put on our bop. but again i am just guessing

There is a grounding wire on every pole. This is for lightning. If the bird gets close to this or touches it while sitting on the Hot wire they will be fried. If it was a two wire system, one is the neutral and the other is the hot. There are two ways back to the power plant. One is thru the neutral the other is thru the ground. Both will work but the neutral has less resistance.

Greg

[JayHawk]

taffwall is right in what he's saying the chap he's on about told me the same and i have seen the insulation that the leccy boardhas since fitted on the poles around his flying area, when it all kicked off some time ago he consulted nick fox who had had similar problam he's told me that nick fox was very helpful and that as soon as the leccy board started ringing him and not the other way around he had them by the bo*&ok@s and thats what happened... he told me that to this day they don't really know why it happened weather it was the eyelets,bells or telem that caused the arcing they just don't know.........i have seen the leccy boards insulating work since though

jay

[Harris]

taffwall is right in what he's saying the chap he's on about told me the same and i have seen the insulation that the leccy boardhas since fitted on the poles around his flying area, when it all kicked off some time ago he consulted nick fox who had had similar problam he's told me that nick fox was very helpful and that as soon as the leccy board started ringing him and not the other way around he had them by the bo*&ok@s and thats what happened... he told me that to this day they don't really know why it happened weather it was the eyelets,bells or telem that caused the arcing they just don't know.........i have seen the leccy boards insulating work since though

jay

I take it they covered thier A**e then Jay, and double insulated the whole thing?