are people happy with the price of there birds

[HawkMan69UK]

i posted some pics on another forum and someonne mentioned prices of goshawks crashing as low as harris hawks ........the reason behind this reasoning was its getting easier to breed through ai ...now this being my first year of breeding and counting cost profit this year is defenatly not an issue seeing as there is none ....so my point being are prices correct as its bloody hard work and time involved and any man or women your buying your eyass off deserves the money they ask...my break down of cost so far this year include :-
female £2000
male £1000
cameras £250
breeding pens £500
food so far quail £ 60
rat £ 50
mice £42

4000 ish so far another 4/5 weeks to go

other food duck /phesant /rabbit/beef purchased and caught plus chicks but not sure how many of gone through there has been other rats quail purchased but they have been expensive from a local supplyer so ill round that down to another £60
so no profit untill they breed next year time off work to watch the hawks to decide when they should go in.. time off when they pip /hatch. better not put a price on that 8-) this is not a dig at the member who posed the question i just like to know peoples opinions:!: :?:

[Sparrow Hawker]

I think these days you generally get what you pay for, i'd be happy paying top whack for quality birds (in the British UK market). So much work, time and effort and outlay goes into producing top quality birds and people should be prepared to pay for quality.

All The Best,

SH

[ACCIPITER-GENTILIS]

i agree with that:yawinkle:

[Kevin Massey]

i posted some pics on another forum and someonne mentioned prices of goshawks crashing as low as harris hawks

I cant see this ever being the case...i could understand price fluctuation based on how many are produced by all breeders per year.....in "Harder" breeding seasons when not so many are produced ...i could easy see prices soar aswell....

Im sure there are better members of the forum a bit more gen'd up than i am on this subject though

[Matt]

im happy with what iv paid in the past with all the birds i bought.
but i have a friend that has dumped a small fortune into the birds he breeds most being gos hes got some incredable bloodlines in his stock and breeds good big birds,
hes getting conserned at all the back garden breeders with imprints producing birds for the hell of it and flooding the market.
a guy with a female imprint has a mate who has a seamen doner and wala losts more imprint gosses.
im not sure the back garden breeders are to blame as comercial breeders do produce alot more as we all know
just look at this with a clear head anything that is common(want of a better word) is never expencive....

i realy dont think it will be to many more years before this is the case that a gosses is just above harris money ..


but hey is that a bad thing ? why should it be a financial thing to own and fly a gos.

also from more contact with goses more will be learned and great good can come from this ..

the glass is not half empty.


all the best

[Tim Laycock]

I dont think the price of goshawks will drop,

I do think the amount of surplus Goshawks is and will continue to rise :(

[OutFlying]

Many this year will be unsold at 9/10 weeks.

Jim.

[PeelsBells]

I find you get what you pay for ,just look around you when you go for your bird you can tell what people are like. With big breeders thats their buissness and make profit to suit. I think good look to everyone who breeds birds as its bloody hard work:rolleyes:
I find if you are willing to spend the money you tend to look after your investment:supz:

[W Jenkins]

Would agree with BB and Jim.

[Dean]

i posted some pics on another forum and someonne mentioned prices of goshawks crashing as low as harris hawks ........the reason behind this reasoning was its getting easier to breed through ai ...now this being my first year of breeding and counting cost profit this year is defenatly not an issue seeing as there is none ....so my point being are prices correct as its bloody hard work and time involved and any man or women your buying your eyass off deserves the money they ask...my break down of cost so far this year include :-
female £2000
male £1000
cameras £250
breeding pens £500
food so far quail £ 60
rat £ 50
mice £42

4000 ish so far another 4/5 weeks to go

other food duck /phesant /rabbit/beef purchased and caught plus chicks but not sure how many of gone through there has been other rats quail purchased but they have been expensive from a local supplyer so ill round that down to another £60
so no profit untill they breed next year time off work to watch the hawks to decide when they should go in.. time off when they pip /hatch. better not put a price on that 8-) this is not a dig at the member who posed the question i just like to know peoples opinions:!: :?:
Harris Hawks in my kneck of the woods often change hands for less than 100 pounds,several times a season to complete idiots.I payed 1200 pound for my first male in the late eightees,how i cared for it,treated him like gold and made precious rewards!HHs were once the best thing for falconers who wanted to try and nurse this birds unique attitude and temperement,now i fear they will be our final undoing,commoner than the bull terrier in the midlands! Dean

[Mac]

though they are getting cheaper i think goshawks are still overpriced, pure finnish or not in my honest opinion £2000 really is to much for a female goshawk.

some years ago i paid £1500 for "finnish" female and she had exactly the same temperament as a hungarian female i flew the season before but was much slower off the mark and £500 more expensive!!!

i personally dont believe in goshawk bloodlines for a second, back in the 1980's gosses were bred from anything that would get on and these mixed race crosses are only 3 generations back in some "finnish strains"! the very few who had genuine finnish birds(as opposed to large pale goshawks!) and could reproduce could be counted on one hand.

long may goshawks decrease in price!!!!!

[Tim Laycock]

long may goshawks decrease in price!!!!!

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Barney]

though they are getting cheaper i think goshawks are still overpriced, pure finnish or not in my honest opinion £2000 really is to much for a female goshawk.

some years ago i paid £1500 for "finnish" female and she had exactly the same temperament as a hungarian female i flew the season before but was much slower off the mark and £500 more expensive!!!

i personally dont believe in goshawk bloodlines for a second, back in the 1980's gosses were bred from anything that would get on and these mixed race crosses are only 3 generations back in some "finnish strains"! the very few who had genuine finnish birds(as opposed to large pale goshawks!) and could reproduce could be counted on one hand.

long may goshawks decrease in price!!!!!

Totaly agree mate, its the same as breeders trying to sell so called superior HH's, i wouldnt want neither as im an Owl Man lol:yawinkle: with a Kestrel

[SycoPaff]

though they are getting cheaper i think goshawks are still overpriced, pure finnish or not in my honest opinion £2000 really is to much for a female goshawk.

some years ago i paid £1500 for "finnish" female and she had exactly the same temperament as a hungarian female i flew the season before but was much slower off the mark and £500 more expensive!!!

i personally dont believe in goshawk bloodlines for a second, back in the 1980's gosses were bred from anything that would get on and these mixed race crosses are only 3 generations back in some "finnish strains"! the very few who had genuine finnish birds(as opposed to large pale goshawks!) and could reproduce could be counted on one hand.

long may goshawks decrease in price!!!!!
if i pure bird is advertised i ask for a family tree back to wild birds! especially with falcons! i was talking with my boss today and we agreed that hybridising has become so stupid that one day the pure bird will be a difficult thing to find!

eg. i.v heard of ferutails (RT/Ferruginous) POINTLESS!!! Goldie/RT (golden tailed beagle)WHY?????????? ****es me right off! there is no need for it! sorry for diverting the subject! carry on! lol

[PeregrinesUK]

To be honest i think all birds of prey are far to cheap!! I also believe you get what you pay for.... cheap birds = poor quality even if the 'bloodline' is sound (these cheap birds can only of been raised on ****)... The attitude of a number of breeders has been question because when talking to propspective buyer the first question they ask it how much.. followed by will you take.... its no wounder they get shirty with folk.. Mike

[Tim Laycock]

To be honest i think all birds of prey are far to cheap!! I also believe you get what you pay for.... cheap birds = poor quality even if the 'bloodline' is sound (these cheap birds can only of been raised on ****)... The attitude of a number of breeders has been question because when talking to propspective buyer the first question they ask it how much.. followed by will you take.... its no wounder they get shirty with folk.. Mike

Correct 8-)

[Shaun Byrne]

Within reason I dont care how much a bird costs.

For me its about the quality of my falconry and I therefore want quality birds. If that means paying a bit extra for a particular breeders birds then so be it, he gets a price he deserves and I get quality sport for 15 years or so.

[Barney]

So lets say you go to a chap's home and he has lovely mews cracking looking birds, 3rd generation from wild caught finnish or mexican HH and tells you he feeds them on quail, rat best of beef, with a big price tag , you buy the story and take the bird home, but he actually feeds them on doc's and he bought them from joe bloggs round the corner as they couldnt keep them, you only buy what the breeder is telling you your buying, in my opinion its what you put into the bird that determins what the final result will be...probaly talking **** again:yawinkle: .....graham

[Gosman_2]

Before this thread goes any further just remember that without people breeding gosses in the uk then the price of one would be a lot higher

[Shaun Byrne]

So lets say you go to a chap's home and he has lovely mews cracking looking birds, 3rd generation from wild caught finnish or mexican HH and tells you he feeds them on quail, rat best of beef, with a big price tag , you buy the story and take the bird home, but he actually feeds them on doc's and he bought them from joe bloggs round the corner as they couldnt keep them, you only buy what the breeder is telling you your buying, in my opinion its what you put into the bird that determins what the final result will be...probaly talking **** again:yawinkle: .....graham

There are plenty of breeders like that about mate but the falconry world is a small one and quality breeders birds will always be in demand. The breeders you describe soon disappear back under their stones.

[MickeyDredd]

I personally think that the price of Gosses will come down generally, mainly as a result of the increased knowledge of AI, although hopefully never to HH prices.

And the sooner those white ******s price drops the better ;)

[OutFlying]

MD,
Has anyone in the UK flown a good one ? Genuine question - as I would like to see one going well.

Jim.

[MickeyDredd]

MD,
Has anyone in the UK flown a good one ? Genuine question - as I would like to see one going well.

Jim.

I dont know but I can assure you I'm working on it ;) Off topic so I will post a pic on another thread to dispel the foot size myth!

The whole problem with this sub-species is that few have flown them, they are so expensive that anyone owning them is putting pairs together rather than flying them

[OutFlying]

Thanks for the reply

[Sparkes]

With such a large gap between prices of German and Finnish birds in England, how can you tell a real Finnish bird as opposed to a large pale German bird with regards to a purchase.. I believe that the article 10 doesn't actually stipulate wether the bird is Finnish or German or anything other than a Goshawk in fact?

? ? ?

[Barney]

With such a large gap between prices of German and Finnish birds in England, how can you tell a real Finnish bird as opposed to a large pale German bird with regards to a purchase.. I believe that the article 10 doesn't actually stipulate wether the bird is Finnish or German or anything other than a Goshawk in fact?

? ? ?
didnt i just say the very same thing mate:yawinkle:

[MickeyDredd]

Size and weight?

[Shaun Byrne]

With such a large gap between prices of German and Finnish birds in England, how can you tell a real Finnish bird as opposed to a large pale German bird with regards to a purchase.. I believe that the article 10 doesn't actually stipulate wether the bird is Finnish or German or anything other than a Goshawk in fact?

? ? ?

The only way to reduce the risk is to buy from a breeder with proven birds and pay the price he is asking, otherwise pay your money and take a bird from a lucky dip.

[Red-Devil]

Correct 8-)
i thought you were king of the barters ?

[Barbary Boy]

if its big its superior!
if its big and dark its scottish,
if its over 2lb 8oz its finnish,
it is what you want it to be?
people are so easily duped into beleiving what they want a bird to be,
a large finnish gos should be over 3lb so all of you out there claiming your flying a finnish at 2lb 9 ? your kidding yourselves! or youve been ripped off. peregrines can be big and dark from anywhere in the uk so dont think that your bird is "pure scottish" just because it looks like what you think it should! do's it really matter? there are very few breeders who can "PROVE" where there birds originated from. so buy a bird that you like the look of and be happy with it, size isnt every thing , as im allways telling my misses?

[OutFlying]

With such a large gap between prices of German and Finnish birds in England, how can you tell a real Finnish bird as opposed to a large pale German bird with regards to a purchase.. I believe that the article 10 doesn't actually stipulate wether the bird is Finnish or German or anything other than a Goshawk in fact?

? ? ?

It's quite easy really, have a look at the previous young or buy at chance and see what weight the males SUCCESSFULLY hunt at (in company :wink: ) not response weight but true hunting weight - not many German males at 1-12 +, infact none - imprint or parent reared.

A gosses weight can very enormously between different owners but males usually provide the best indication of the parent heritage.

Jim.

ps It seems funny to me how a few on the forum disregard the finnish bloodline but never seem to fly a male of true German, Czech, Hungarian or whatever descent - yes they might fly a female other than finnish or finnish cross but never a male - I wonder why this is ?

Jim.

[OutFlying]

if its big its superior!
if its big and dark its scottish,
if its over 2lb 8oz its finnish,
it is what you want it to be?
people are so easily duped into beleiving what they want a bird to be,
a large finnish gos should be over 3lb so all of you out there claiming your flying a finnish at 2lb 9 ? your kidding yourselves! or youve been ripped off. peregrines can be big and dark from anywhere in the uk so dont think that your bird is "pure scottish" just because it looks like what you think it should! do's it really matter? there are very few breeders who can "PROVE" where there birds originated from. so buy a bird that you like the look of and be happy with it, size isnt every thing , as im allways telling my misses?


3lb finnish female at true hunting weight parent reared - never seen one or know of any, do you ? Infact there isn't a breeder is this country that can guarantee a gos of this size first season.

Jim.

[Liam Hay]

3lb finnish female at true hunting weight parent reared - never seen one or know of any, do you ? Infact there isn't a breeder is this country that can guarantee a gos of this size first season.

Jim.

Agreed

Liam

[OutFlying]

Liam,
The largest I've seen are 2-14 parent reared - hardly flown but a few seasons in.

3-3 but an imprint with a few seasons under it's belt.

Jim.

[ACCIPITER-GENTILIS]

http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=4302

BIG GOS

[GaryPCO]

I dont think the price of goshawks will drop,

I do think the amount of surplus Goshawks is and will continue to rise :(
but surely tim if the surplus of goshawks rises then the market will either freeze or the price will drop,nobody wants to be stuck with young birds at the start of the new breeding season so the breeders will have to drop price to make room or knock surplus stock.....

[MickeyDredd]

http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=4302

BIG GOS

******, I was just about to paste that link :lol: :lol:

[ACCIPITER-GENTILIS]

:lol: :lol:

[Barbary Boy]

3lb finnish female at true hunting weight parent reared - never seen one or know of any, do you ?

Jim.
was talking about top weight? but i do know of a british falconer who bred and flew an imprint female gos at well over 3lb? and have known wild taken finnish birds to fly this weight as well, though not for a lot of years? the trouble is years ago when they were coming in weekly from finland people expected and got passage and haggarrd birds that flew at 2lb 12 to 2lb 15 on a regular basis. thats haggard and passage birds not eyasses and the occasional bird considerably larger, if they got one much smaller they thought they had been ripped off? so when i hear of guys talking about there finnish females flying at 2lb 8 i just smile inwardly to my self and wish for the good old days?

[OutFlying]

Agree with you there, the is certainly a great size difference with supposed "full finnish goshawks ;) " - I have a female on loan - bred by a respected breeder from a large natural pairing, she is only small but plenty big enough - just glad I didn't pay £2000 for her.

Jim.

[Barbary Boy]

there really are very few "true big" finnish goshawks out there these days? despite what people claim. the new generation of falconers have never seen a real , true, massive finnish gos! they have been told they have! they think they have! but they havent! pity.

[OutFlying]

there really are very few "true big" finnish goshawks out there these days? despite what people claim. the new generation of falconers have never seen a real , true, massive finnish gos! they have been told they have! they think they have! but they havent! pity.

A few years back I went on a field meet, someone turned up with a full finnish female flying at 2-14 + p/r - but not flown often so probably would have have higher. It looked like an eagle compared to everything else there.

Saw an imprint that flew at 3-3 in the field and in the breeding pen at a breeders - it was head and shoulders bigger than all the other females.

Jim.

[Onyx25]

3lb finnish female at true hunting weight parent reared - never seen one or know of any, do you ? Infact there isn't a breeder is this country that can guarantee a gos of this size first season.

Jim.
Don't want to go to war but you are definately wrong but they dfo won't be cheaper than £2000! And rightly so! IAs I have said many times on here dubious finish and crosses are gonna get cheaper but really good stock costs not that it really matters for flying as a 2.8 can do everything a 3.0 can but if you want size and colour/temperement etc of finns expect £2000

[OutFlying]

Don't want to go to war but you are definately wrong but they dfo won't be cheaper than £2000! And rightly so! IAs I have said many times on here dubious finish and crosses are gonna get cheaper but really good stock costs not that it really matters for flying as a 2.8 can do everything a 3.0 can but if you want size and colour/temperement etc of finns expect £2000

No need to go to war :lol: , I would be interested to know the name of the breeder that can guarantee first year female p/r goshawks hunting truely at 3lb - with first season being a main issue. No doubt they would be worth the asking price, I've seen some £2000 goshawks this year and they were small not saying there weren't good but for £2000 I'd expect a certain size.

Jim.

[Onyx25]

No need to go to war :lol: , I would be interested to know the name of the breeder that can guarantee first year female p/r goshawks hunting truely at 3lb - with first season being a main issue.

Jim.
Last young female pr was weak at 3.1 all sold this year but get in touch next season. I am hoping to breed off my big un next year can't promise the weight of her chicks but she is very big.

[OutFlying]

What weight were the males ?

Thanks Jim.

[Onyx25]

not sure mate never asked but will find out when I next speak with him.

[OutFlying]

Thanks,

[Bengal Hawk]

but surely tim if the surplus of goshawks rises then the market will either freeze or the price will drop,nobody wants to be stuck with young birds at the start of the new breeding season so the breeders will have to drop price to make room or knock surplus stock.....

thats a good thing, I dont see anything wrong with people trying to save a few bucks........if you got the money spend it it and if youre budget is tight whats wrong with a cheaper hawk? As long as the bird is fit and healthy i personally dont care how much it costs.......the market should fluctuate as per demand and supply.........basic economics

At the end of the day, if there are surpless birds then maybe the breeders should look into not producing so many and if they are going to produce many birds regardsless of what type, then the market will suffer and we can all have a different type of bird of prey without worrying about weather we can afford it or not...maybe some of us can even stop dreaming about owning a gos and actually have one.
just my opinion...

[Onyx25]

thats a good thing, I dont see anything wrong with people trying to save a few bucks........if you got the money spend it it and if youre budget is tight whats wrong with a cheaper hawk? As long as the bird is fit and healthy i personally dont care how much it costs.......the market should fluctuate as per demand and supply.........basic economics

At the end of the day, if there are surpless birds then maybe the breeders should look into not producing so many and if they are going to produce many birds regardsless of what type, then the market will suffer and we can all have a different type of bird of prey without worrying about weather we can afford it or not...maybe some of us can even stop dreaming about owning a gos and actually have one.
just my opinion...
Sorry mate just look at merlins people stopped buying people stopped breeding and now the price is frankly ridiculus and pretty much only get sold to breeders lanners are another prime example. I am not well off mainly due to my addiction (falconry) which comes at a cost to my bank balance! Seen this quote somewhere befor? 'life is too short to fly bad birds' so bloody true!

[Onyx25]

Thanks,
Not a prob mate. Be interrested to see how mine come out the mum tops out over 4lb and the males fat are 1 just over 2lb the other just under (but a bit prettier)

[OutFlying]

The males I've own previously p/r came out the aviary at 2-3 hard penned and went on to fly at around 1-14+ second season.

The imprint male flew at 1-15.

Jim.

[Takajo]

FYI: price of a Harris in Japan averages 2,000 Brit quid:rolleyes:

[Tim Laycock]

I have a Friend with a Finnish imprint female that kills @ 3lb 8 oz

Does not mean its any more Finnish than an imprint killing at 2lb 11 oz

There are a lot of sweeping statments in this game :rolleyes:

[GaryPCO]

I have a Friend with a Finnish imprint female that kills @ 3lb 8 oz

Does not mean its any more Finnish than an imprint killing at 2lb 11 oz

There are a lot of sweeping statments in this game :rolleyes:
ARE YOU SURE ITS A FINNISH TIM SOUNDS LIKE AN AMERICAN BRONZE TO ME BUD!!!:lol: :lol: :lol:

[M & J Raptors]

been flying gosses since 1988, never seen a pr female gos flown over 3lb, and i used to get about a bit in my younger days,:rolleyes:

seen many imprints over this weight. not all birds that came in from finland were large, infact the average weight was around 2lb 10 oz, pr, still the same today i would say.

[Onyx25]

been flying gosses since 1988, never seen a pr female gos flown over 3lb, and i used to get about a bit in my younger days,:rolleyes:

seen many imprints over this weight. not all birds that came in from finland were large, infact the average weight was around 2lb 10 oz, pr, still the same today i would say.
I bet youve seen a few more than I have was only 4 years old then!!lol But I have seen them fly at those weights pr with my own eyes granted mainly at pheasants but they exist. Agreed average birds 1.10 ish . Any way the point is how much is a large finn realy worth?

[M & J Raptors]

I bet youve seen a few more than I have was only 4 years old then!!lol But I have seen them fly at those weights pr with my own eyes granted mainly at pheasants but they exist. Agreed average birds 1.10 ish . Any way the point is how much is a large finn realy worth?



Hello ????

The price is only what people are willing to pay, back in the late eightees, early ninetees, finnish birds £500 males, £1000. females,

around 1996 all the top gos breeders agreed to push the price to males £1200 Females £2000 plus, i know someone who paid £2500 for a female,


also on field meets today we have some bull**** scales in the back of the van, just incase we need them.:wink:

[Falconer1000]

dose size really matter?


at the end of the day a £2000 finnish female in the wrong hands is worth nothing to no one, where as a £500 ger/fin male in experenced hands would be invaluable
my point is it dosn't matter where the bird came from it's what you do with it that counts. but that's just my opinon.

i do however think £2000 is ott i've never seen a ff at that price i thought the avarage price was between £1000 -£1500 and about £650 -£850 for a male.
it would be nice if there was some sort of guide price as there will always be someone trying to rip you off.

[M & J Raptors]

let me know where i can buy good quality fin females for a grand, ?

[Liam Hay]

yeah me 2 i'll have one:rolleyes:

[Harrisii]

Harris Hawks in my kneck of the woods often change hands for less than 100 pounds,several times a season to complete idiots. Dean

thats a shame. lots of birds are destroyed by complete novices who buy birds then house them in wee sheds etc and do not prepare properly.

but if you can get me a HH for under £100 then pm me.

[Falconer1000]

let me know where i can buy good quality fin females for a grand, ?


what is quality ? size/colour ? who cares as long as the bird is haelthy got a full set of feathers it will be capable of catching prey.

i oftern get asked "do you show your birds" i usally reply falconry isn't about showing off how good looking your bird is it's about how it preforms in the feild that counts.

have alook in the cage and avarie mag bound to be some in there keep your eye's open you might get lucky.
how much would u pay ?

[AmateurAustringer]

Showing Hawks and Falcons?

[FlameHairedFalconer]

Showing Hawks and Falcons?

I suppose to the non falconer, they might think we show them like budgies ??? :rolleyes:

[Jester]

i have been asked if i show Jester as well.


also been asked if it is ok to give him crisps :rolleyes:

[FlameHairedFalconer]

i have been asked if i show Jester as well.


also been asked if it is ok to give him crisps :rolleyes:

I thought EO's were partial to a few salt and vinegar crisps....oh no, sorry, thats day old chicks....my hearing aint what it used to be!! :lol: :lol: :rolleyes:

FHF

[GoodFooter]

Cost of a bird is 'relative'.
Relative to your income.... £2000 is alot to some one earning 10k per annum it is didaly squat to someone on 150k per annum
Relative to how long you keep the bird....£2000 for a bird you fly for 15 yrs is £133.33 per year or £2.56 per week..... but if you had it a year well!
Relative to your return.... if breeding £2000 if it breeds and returns you £3000 per annum well!!!
Relative to what others pay...£2000 isnt that much for the amount of pleasure and relative to other interests ( eg a horse or motorbike) but if your mate paid £1000 for exactly the same well!!!!!
Relative to other birds £2000 for a finish female may seem expensive relative to a f Harris but to a white Gyr or African hawk eagle well its bloody cheep!!
So cost is 'relative' to just about every thing!!!!!!

[M & J Raptors]

what is quality ? size/colour ? who cares as long as the bird is haelthy got a full set of feathers it will be capable of catching prey.

i oftern get asked "do you show your birds" i usally reply falconry isn't about showing off how good looking your bird is it's about how it preforms in the feild that counts.

have alook in the cage and avarie mag bound to be some in there keep your eye's open you might get lucky.
how much would u pay ?

i know quality when i see it, yet to see quality at the prices you quote,

[Tim Laycock]

yeah me 2 i'll have one:rolleyes:

I will have two 8-)

And on the same day I will bare my **** in Fosters Square :rolleyes: :lol:

[Onyx25]

what is quality ? size/colour ? who cares as long as the bird is haelthy got a full set of feathers it will be capable of catching prey.

i oftern get asked "do you show your birds" i usally reply falconry isn't about showing off how good looking your bird is it's about how it preforms in the feild that counts.

have alook in the cage and avarie mag bound to be some in there keep your eye's open you might get lucky.
how much would u pay ?
Quality IS a healthy bird bred from the best birds from the previous year not the worst and so on the same as wild birds! This often shows up with a youngster that is the correct size/colour/shape etc for the species of bird it is supposed to be which is to me a good looking example! With a finnish gos a large pale bird with short wings and a long tail that kills stuff! how often do you see photos of an ugly small wild gos?

[GoodFooter]

I've asked the question before and never really had a good answer so here goes again seeing as we have the 'pro finnish comittee' on line.....what makes a finnish female worth almost double the price a 'european' blood line????
other than supply & demand!!!

[OutFlying]

Probably future value as a breeding gos, not many takers for the smaller european males - so your breeding project wouldn't be as viable with the european females.

Also some people prefer to fly the finnish goshawk over the european - more demand higher price.

Jim.

[HawkMan69UK]

now arent you all glad i posed the question top posting.by me ...... now mick mia my pr female hunts most days in season at weights over 2 14 and on the odd occasion when i want to go out and maybe she has had abit much food the day before above 3 pound not often but on a few occasions she has been and hunted well and caught phesant ....recall a bit slow but hey you gotta get out there and try these things.....bul**** scales welcome.:lol: ......but i dont concider her a big bird just well ballanced muscle;)

[GoodFooter]

Probably future value as a breeding gos, not many takers for the smaller european males - so your breeding project wouldn't be as viable with the european females.

Also some people prefer to fly the finnish goshawk over the european - more demand higher price.

Jim.
Good answer ....I guess male euros arent that popular whereas fin males are good point.

Are finnish females that much different to fly than european females??? I have only seen german and german X finnish ( supposedly) what makes the Finnish female special from a flying point of view to demand that price difference

[OutFlying]

The ones I owned have been very very steady, even with equal manning and training compared to other types of goshawk they just seem to be a calmer goshawk.

Others say they are the faster over the longer distances, I know of 3 blokes who flew different types of female gosses over 3 seasons in the same company - the finnish was the fastest over the long distances at pheasant.

Jim.

[GoodFooter]

The ones I owned have been very very steady, even with equal manning and training compared to other types of goshawk they just seem to be a calmer goshawk.

Others say they are the faster over the longer distances, I know of 3 blokes who flew different types of female gosses over 3 seasons in the same company - the finnish was the fastest over the long distances at pheasant.

Jim.
Thanks
I think I need to try one first hand!!!! I like the calm concept but not to keen on the higher weight. I tiny calm female would do me a treat and then the price wouldnt even come into it!!!

[OutFlying]

Why not fly a finnish male then, cheaper than a euro female and plenty big enough for most quarry other than hares - much more stylish on gamebirds, they look like their going at WARP speed.

Jim.

[GoodFooter]

Why not fly a finnish male then, cheaper than a euro female and plenty big enough for most quarry other than hares - much more stylish on gamebirds, they look like their going at WARP speed.

Jim.
I think you are 100% spot on there!!!..... Rabbit hawking is my favorite branch of falconry ....dont know why everyone so far has said female... female....female. For me male everytime (more sporting I believe and isnt over till your hand is on the quarry) and a calm male Fin would suit me 100%.
I like your thought process.!!

[OutFlying]

All females are overkill on rabbits, they only need to put a foot on them and their goners - the males bounce off them and go again :lol: until getting a good hold, much better sport. Maybe don't fill the rabbit pot as good as a female but more enjoyable doing it.

Jim.

[M & J Raptors]

now arent you all glad i posed the question top posting.by me ...... now mick mia my pr female hunts most days in season at weights over 2 14 and on the odd occasion when i want to go out and maybe she has had abit much food the day before above 3 pound not often but on a few occasions she has been and hunted well and caught phesant ....recall a bit slow but hey you gotta get out there and try these things.....bul**** scales welcome.:lol: ......but i dont concider her a big bird just well ballanced muscle;)

Gary

I would know a 3lb plus fin female mate with my own eyes, without the bull**** scales,

[M & J Raptors]

I've asked the question before and never really had a good answer so here goes again seeing as we have the 'pro finnish comittee' on line.....what makes a finnish female worth almost double the price a 'european' blood line????
other than supply & demand!!!

suppose i am chairman of the commitee,:yawinkle:

fly one then only you will know the difference.

[Wightwings]

not read the whole thread Gary so forgive me if this a repeat, but i am one of the peeps worried that all of a sudden Gos prices are suddenly dropping.

personnaly i would STILL prefer to see HH's at £1500 ........restricted breeding and vetting before purchase.........alas tho i live in an ideal world:roll: ;)

[BrianM]

not read the whole thread Gary so forgive me if this a repeat, but i am one of the peeps worried that all of a sudden Gos prices are suddenly dropping.

personnaly i would STILL prefer to see HH's at £1500 ........restricted breeding and vetting before purchase.........alas tho i live in an ideal world:roll: ;)


nah chris ,, its cloud cookoo land ..lol,,,,, ps me too

[GoodFooter]

suppose i am chairman of the commitee,:yawinkle:

fly one then only you will know the difference.
love too if your offering!!!!
heard your name mentioned .....more than once:yawinkle:
tricky time right now just had my first kiddy but he will grow and I when the time is right I may just fly one of your finnish draggons yet!!!!and hope our paths will cross.

[Mary Quite Contrary]

Some interesting views and ideas.
Good thread

Good idea the BS scales

[Finnish]

let me know where i can buy good quality fin females for a grand, ?

No where.:rolleyes: :lol:

[Wightwings]

No where.:rolleyes: :lol:

give it 24 months..............

[Finnish]

O I lied of the breeder where I'm getting mine from...:finga:

[M & J Raptors]

give it 24 months..............

what price will german gosses be then ? :cry:

[OutFlying]

give it 24 months..............

This was said 3 or 4 years ago :lol:

[GoodFooter]

give it 24 months..............
a shame in my opinion..... but I wouldnt be surprised.....good old blighty seems to be heading the world on BOP breeding and could be a simple case of supply vs demand. Albidus could be where the money is next????

[Finnish]

This was said 3 or 4 years ago :lol:

And it will properly be carried on for that time...:D

[GoodFooter]

This was said 3 or 4 years ago :lol:
but is this simply because there still arent enough to satisfy falconers & breeders.... as soon as the falconer market is saturated what will breeders do??? we may just not be at saturation point yet???? seems to be more breeders now though.... doesnt there????
mind you seems to be a world market with bops these days who knows.....probably a cartel amongst finnish breeders and a good thing too!

[HawkMan69UK]

Gary

I would know a 3lb plus fin female mate with my own eyes, without the bull**** scales,
like i said mick only a few times but at her best a around the 2 14 mark ..i was chatting to gaz tonight he popped round to see the eyass..... and we were chatting about weights blah blah blah if i dropped mia down to 2 10 i think she would kill us both:D ........

[Wightwings]

This was said 3 or 4 years ago :lol:

i know Jim but 3 or 4 yrs ago it didnt happen....it is starting to now tho:roll: prices ARE dropping to levels not acceptable in my view and i also hear more and more peeps are going for a gos.....mark my words despite the breeding probs prices WILL drop further:roll: :mad:

[Finnish]

but is this simply because there still arent enough to satisfy falconers & breeders.... as soon as the falconer market is saturated what will breeders do??? we may just not be at saturation point yet???? seems to be more breeders now though.... doesnt there????

Yes but will it be saturated with the good stuff...:confused:

[OutFlying]

i know Jim but 3 or 4 yrs ago it didnt happen....it is starting to now tho:roll: prices ARE dropping to levels not acceptable in my view and i also hear more and more peeps are going for a gos.....mark my words despite the breeding probs prices WILL drop further:roll: :mad:

Chris,
Some breeders are still charging the same prices as in previous years - they can't meet the demand and have full order books, others offer cheaper gosses but struggle to sell them.

Jim.

[GoodFooter]

Yes but will it be saturated with the good stuff...:confused:
comes back to how do you know???? good breeders with top reputations will always be OK as you get people like me who will pay for reputation!!!!
edited''''' having said that a gos would last me donkeys years so surely the market has got to get saturated even with good ones??????

[M & J Raptors]

like i said mick only a few times but at her best a around the 2 14 mark ..i was chatting to gaz tonight he popped round to see the eyass..... and we were chatting about weights blah blah blah if i dropped mia down to 2 10 i think she would kill us both:D ........

Hi Gary

i think flying weight is down to the chap who puts the work in, many gosses do not reach true hunting weight due to lack of time and poor falconry skills,

just for the record, the best rabbit hawk i have flown was a 2lb 2oz female,

hows the gaz man. dude.;-)

[HawkMan69UK]

reputation has to start somewhere.... if you buy your birds from a breeder with a good reputation surly your birds have to good ......:?: :?:

[Wightwings]

Chris,
Some breeders are still charging the same prices as in previous years - they can't meet the demand and have full order books, others offer cheaper gosses but struggle to sell them.

Jim.

and long may this continue Jim. BUT this year i have heard of prices dropping the odd couple of hundred pound.....i admit im no line expert to know breeding lines but it does seem to me that there is a sudden availablity of cheaper birds...hope im wrong but i know im not saddly

is it down to weights???? seems birds are getting smaller also .hence prices "should" drop........????? you tell me

[HawkMan69UK]

Hi Gary

i think flying weight is down to the chap who puts the work in, many gosses do not reach true hunting weight due to lack of time and poor falconry skills,

just for the record, the best rabbit hawk i have flown was a 2lb 2oz female,

hows the gaz man. dude.;-) very true mate makes a difference if you hunt everyday or most days in the week like i do....thats why i dont mind fluctuating the weight ......im a laid back austringer no need to stress if it does come back you have to wait a bit longer:D :D 10 mins is far to long;) gaz is doing all right ....ill post a pic

[Reuben]

If you,re not happy with the price being asked by a breeder then go somewherw else.
Personally, I would be happy to pay top price from a top breeder as you.re also paying for the reputation that comes with their stock.
Reuben

[OutFlying]

AI - the reason for the glut, not bred to order but priced to sell but most people preorder the season before.

How much will the gos be worth in a pen at 14 weeks ?

Jim.

[HawkMan69UK]

http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=15552&stc=1&d=1150322614

[OutFlying]

A couple of happy chaps :supz:

[HawkMan69UK]

what about other bops would people pay more for a harris this size

http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=15553&stc=1&d=1150322749

[Blaze]

people like me who will pay for reputation!!!!

£20 and i will give you as much reputation as i can!....no probs! :lol: :lol: :lol:

On a serious note very good thread with some good debate :wink:

[Hacker]

http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=15552&stc=1&d=1150322614
Thats one mean looking F****r, you can tell by the way his specs are tilted on his face!!!!

[Big JoeJoe]

Thats one mean looking F****r, you can tell by the way his specs are tilted on his face!!!!

PMSL

Gaz are you related to Benny Hill lol????

Cheers BJJ

[Hacker]

BJJ, hows your Perexsaker coming on,obviously in moult but what did you manage to get with her in the end, and were you pleased with her performances.
Just asking as i pick one up from Terry on Monday.

[Big JoeJoe]

BJJ, hows your Perexsaker coming on,obviously in moult but what did you manage to get with her in the end, and were you pleased with her performances.
Just asking as i pick one up from Terry on Monday.

I have sent you a PM, but to answer your question H, yes very pleased got a drake mallard and a cock phes in the short time I had her, had some great flights but the best is yet to come.

Cheers Joe(sorry for going off thread)

[AmateurAustringer]

i also hear more and more peeps are going for a gos.....

Dont you think this will keep prices stable? Along with the mortality rate of hunting Goshawks?