1st bop

[buzzbee]

Was curious on peoples opinion of how long you should be in Falconry for before getting your 1st bop?

[Tooker]

As long as it takes to be confident on your own and build up a network of phd falconry friends :)

[Liam Hay]

just a question but how can u BE IN FALCONRY without a bird, what r u a spectator but that means ur in falconry,

i'm sorry but the level of question that have been lately asked are not the best

Liam

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just a question but how can u BE IN FALCONRY without a bird, what r u a spectator but that means ur in falconry,

i'm sorry but the level of question that have been lately asked are not the best

Liam

well said liam:yawinkle:
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[Jackson]

how long should you be interested in falconry i think it was supposed to read i.e. how long should you spend researching, getting involved with others etc before you take the plunge and get one yourself - you dont have to have a bop to be in falconry!

id say long enought to be confident about what you are oing -training handling feeding etc

[AmateurAustringer]

- you dont have to have a bop to be in falconry!

Do you need to have one to be a Falconer :confused:

[Jackson]

Do you need to have one to be a Falconer :confused:

lol yes cos a falconer flys falconry lol! but to be into the sport you just need a centre, people to go out hunting with and an interest in the sport!

[AmateurAustringer]

lol yes cos a falconer flys falconry lol! but to be into the sport you just need a centre, people to go out hunting with and an interest in the sport!

Ok I would say this person has a passing interest in Falconry and enjoys watching other peoples hawks fly.

I read sometime ago about proposed titles... Raptor keepers would be called Falconers and "Falconers" i.e those that hunt quarry in its natural state with a trained bird or prey would be called Field-Falconers... :confused:

To me to be 'in Falconry' you must be a Falconer.

Otherwise I could say I'm in the World Cup as I watch England on the T.V?

Going back to the original question... as has been said... when you're ready no one can give an exact timescale, person A might take 3 years to pick up what person B does in 2 months.

[buzzbee]

just a question but how can u BE IN FALCONRY without a bird, what r u a spectator but that means ur in falconry,

i'm sorry but the level of question that have been lately asked are not the best

Liam

Very easily. I work with bop and train them but as yet do own them. I apolgise if my questions aint at your level!:twisted:

[Dean]

lol yes cos a falconer flys falconry lol! but to be into the sport you just need a centre, people to go out hunting with and an interest in the sport!
Not me,my first kestrel used to sit on the washing line pole,waiting for my mom to go to work so I could wag it and get back,used to knick my sisters mitten as a glove,was once worried that it needed some fluid,tried it with a plum,its first flight was on a creance,hanging in the wind like a kite!!!!How lucky these beginners are now!!! Dean.

[buzzbee]

I do not have a passing interest in Falconry. I cannot see myself doing anything else and it will be what im going to do for the rest of my life.

[AmateurAustringer]

I do not have a passing interest in Falconry. I cannot see myself doing anything else and it will be what im going to do for the rest of my life.

:roll: For heavens sake... it wasn't directed at you it was in reply to Jackson (editted to correct posters name) post (thats why I quoted her). Do you actually pay attention or just take everything everyone says as a personal attack at you ?

[buzzbee]

:roll: For heavens sake... it wasn't directed at you it was in reply to Amazons post (thats why I quoted her). Do you actually pay attention or just take everything everyone says as a personal attack at you ?

I didnt suggest is was directed at me! I was stating thats its what i want to do mostly in a reply to Kanati. Trust me i know what a personal attack is and i could give out worse.lol.

[AmateurAustringer]

I didnt suggest is was directed at me! I was stating thats its what i want to do mostly in a reply to Kanati. Trust me i know what a personal attack is and i could give out worse.lol.

Can I suggest you stay on thread to avoid confusion then? Kanati hasnt posted on this thread?

[buzzbee]

Can I suggest you stay on thread to avoid confusion then? Kanati hasnt posted on this thread?

Soz kinda confused myself there aswell.:confused:

[Liam Hay]

Very easily. I work with bop and train them but as yet do own them. I apolgise if my questions aint at your level!:twisted:

Yes but BOP at a centre is not FALCONRY, and as 4 questions at my level, is this a question 4 anyones level i think not!


Liam

[buzzbee]

Yes but BOP at a centre is not FALCONRY, and as 4 questions at my level, is this a question 4 anyones level i think not!


Liam

A s mentioned on another thread because you dont own a bop doesnt mean your not a Falconer/austringer. I fly them, train, hunt and feed them. So i think/know i am a Falconer. Not a greatly experienced one but one all the same. And the end of the day its a question that i asked and im getting bad rep for it!

[Liam Hay]

A s mentioned on another thread because you dont own a bop doesnt mean your not a Falconer/austringer. I fly them, train, hunt and feed them. So i think/know i am a Falconer. Not a greatly experienced one but one all the same. And the end of the day its a question that i asked and im getting bad rep for it!

Well what do u expect it is a poor question,
question to u have u trained a Falcon from start to finish and caught game regular with one? if not i don't see how u can call urself a Falconer,
Or maybe u have trained a Hawk (generalised term for gos,spar,red,HH) from start to finish and caught game regular with it, if not ur not a austringer!
I love how ppl say i'm this and that but in all fairness seems to me u just handle BOP at a centre, thats nothing to do with Falconry!

Liam

[buzzbee]

[QUOTE=PCHay]Well what do u expect it is a poor question,
question to u have u trained a Falcon from start to finish and caught game regular with one? if not i don't see how u can call urself a Falconer,
Or maybe u have trained a Hawk (generalised term for gos,spar,red,HH) from start to finish and caught game regular with it, if not ur not a austringer!
I love how ppl say i'm this and that but in all fairness seems to me u just handle BOP at a centre, thats nothing to do with Falconry!

Falcon we dont hunt with. TRAIN FLY YES( this i believe is what makes up alot of Falconry.Trained hhs and a rt. It would be a bit pointles calling myself a Falconer/austringer if all i did was coo over them. I know what is classed in the catagory of Hawks hence why the rts in there. And yes now i am rather peed off:twisted:

[Liam Hay]

Sorry i did'nt quite understand that post, i got ur rather peed off is this cause i'm right and ur not a Falconer/Austringer rather a BOP handler.

Liam

Ps u did'nt answer either of my questions!

[buzzbee]

Sorry i did'nt quite understand that post, i got ur rather peed off is this cause i'm right and ur not a Falconer/Austringer rather a BOP handler.

Liam

Ps u did'nt answer either of my questions!

Try reading it again! NO your not right! Ive trained bop i wouldnt class myself as a handler!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dean]

Sorry i did'nt quite understand that post, i got ur rather peed off is this cause i'm right and ur not a Falconer/Austringer rather a BOP handler.

Liam

Ps u did'nt answer either of my questions!
Give this guy a break,he asked a legit question,he just didnt word it right!If he wants a bird it doesnt matter how long hes had an interest,at least hes handled birds before he gets his own,more than can be said for most,me included! Go get a redtail son and do some stuff!! Dean

[buzzbee]

Thanks

[Liam Hay]

Give this guy a break,he asked a legit question,he just didnt word it right!If he wants a bird it doesnt matter how long hes had an interest,at least hes handled birds before he gets his own,more than can be said for most,me included! Go get a redtail son and do some stuff!! Dean

Y does it matter that he has handled BOP b4 getting his own, will this make him a better Falconer in the long run?
I love the fact ppl say and make this history for them selves saying i am this that and the other.
Just for ur info Buzzbee i used to be a Falconer, i flew a peregrine.
I am a austringer at the moment though,

Liam

[buzzbee]

[QUOTE=PCHay]Y does it matter that he has handled BOP b4 getting his own, will this make him a better Falconer in the long run?
I love the fact ppl say and make this history for them selves saying i am this that and the other.
Just for ur info Buzzbee i used to be a Falconer, i flew a peregrine.
I am a austringer at the moment though,

****** TRAINED BOP NOT JUST HANDLED! I dont know how good ill be in the future but ill still be here training flying and hunting. If you read my pro details about myself. That isnt gonna change anytime soon.

[Liam Hay]

Ok Buzzbee what u trained and to what standard

Liam

[buzzbee]

[QUOTE=PCHay]just a question but how can u BE IN FALCONRY without a bird, what r u a spectator but that means ur in falconry,

I beleive you didnt answer my question

[Dean]

Y does it matter that he has handled BOP b4 getting his own, will this make him a better Falconer in the long run?
I love the fact ppl say and make this history for them selves saying i am this that and the other.
Just for ur info Buzzbee i used to be a Falconer, i flew a peregrine.
I am a austringer at the moment though,

Liam
It may not make him a better falconer in the long haul,it will give him a better start,he obviously knows how to retrieve a bating hawk to the glove(Fresh hawk)turn the hand downwards absorbing the bate,how much jess to give,he may even have learnt how to hood a falcon,swing a lure for persuit falcons etc etc,a good start in my book for the aspiring to be...... Dean

[Liam Hay]

What question, ur initial question, sorry did'nt think it was an appropriate question to give an answer to!

Liam

[buzzbee]

Ok Buzzbee what u trained and to what standard

Liam

Just trained a mrt now hunts rabbit. Retrained a mhh hunts pheasant and maggy. Training a Barn owl and a eeo at the moment. The barn just being flown without a creance and hovering over mouse lure. Eeo flying 15ft to glove on a creance. What standard was your pere up to?

[buzzbee]

What question, ur initial question, sorry did'nt think it was an appropriate question to give an answer to!

Liam

I was asking opinions own experience etc. I think it was a perfectly apropiate question to ask. Btw i know it varys from falconer to falconer and from austringer to austringer.

[Liam Hay]

It may not make him a better falconer in the long haul,it will give him a better start,he obviously knows how to retrieve a bating hawk to the glove(Fresh hawk)turn the hand downwards absorbing the bate,how much jess to give,he may even have learnt how to hood a falcon,swing a lure for persuit falcons etc etc,a good start in my book for the aspiring to be...... Dean

A better start to do what? most of what u have explained in my book won't give any better a start i presume u mean a BOP could and would be trained quicker! Does that really make a difference and if so what birds does that apply to?

[buzzbee]

It may not make him a better falconer in the long haul,it will give him a better start,he obviously knows how to retrieve a bating hawk to the glove(Fresh hawk)turn the hand downwards absorbing the bate,how much jess to give,he may even have learnt how to hood a falcon,swing a lure for persuit falcons etc etc,a good start in my book for the aspiring to be...... Dean

Learning lure swinging at the mo hooded peres and hybrid falcons.

[Liam Hay]

So y did'nt ur question say:

What are pepoles opinions on how much knowledge should be assetained b4 getting there own BOP, do ppl believe it best if a course attended, club joined, having a mentor or just reading books?

Own experience before getting your BOP would be greatly appreciated,

[buzzbee]

[QUOTE=PCHay]So y did'nt ur question say:

Exactly my question.Im not going around asking people how i should phrase a thread. Didnt understand the last part of your question.

[Dean]

A better start to do what? most of what u have explained in my book won't give any better a start i presume u mean a BOP could and would be trained quicker! Does that really make a difference and if so what birds does that apply to?
Are you all the ticket?Whats the first thing you do when aquiring a fresh hawk/falcon!Sir you say you were a falconer and flew a peregrine,may I ask at what quarry?Yes it does make a difference how long it takes to train a young falcon,you do not want to miss your window of natural oppertunity! Dean

[Defender]

Was curious on peoples opinion of how long you should be in Falconry for before getting your 1st bop?how long is a piece of string ?

[buzzbee]

how long is a piece of string ?

I know this one. Depends how long you want it :supz:

[Liam Hay]

Are you all the ticket?Whats the first thing you do when aquiring a fresh hawk/falcon!Sir you say you were a falconer and flew a peregrine,may I ask at what quarry?Yes it does make a difference how long it takes to train a young falcon,you do not want to miss your window of natural oppertunity! Dean

LOL, u really think that any peregrine u get and train in the correct time leaving u open to ur window of natural oppurtunity will catch corvids!!!! Give me a break i have trained a few Peregrines no matter how well u train it if it aint in the birds breeding or bloodlines it aint gonna catch crows etc.
Oh and to ur question what is the first thing i do when i get a new hawk/falcon why fit its anklets, bells and tail mount, don't u?

Now i ask u oh great one u tell me what u think, and no HH not being Falconry does not come in to it.

Liam

[buzzbee]

PChay,

Is there anyone you do like on this forum?

[Liam Hay]

PChay,

Is there anyone you do like on this forum?

Yes Buzzbee I like u;)

[FlameHairedFalconer]

Yes Buzzbee I like u;)

Oh ******! My sides!! :lol: :lol: :lol:


FHF

[buzzbee]

Yes Buzzbee I like u;)

Thats scary :lol:

[Liam Hay]

Thats scary :lol:

;)lol

[Cyclone]

how long is a piece of string ?
if you measure from the middle to the end and times it by 2 you have the answer
cyclone

[Cyclone]

Yes Buzzbee I like u;)
quality mate! :lol: :lol:
cyclone

[buzzbee]

if you measure from the middle to the end and times it by 2 you have the answer
cyclone

Cyclone, shush :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Matty]

Was curious on peoples opinion of how long you should be in Falconry for before getting your 1st bop?

your question is clear enough, if you don't feel the need to nit pick

i was very lucky when i started out
my mentor arranged for me, a loaned fhh to train and fly
i ended up flying/hunting her for two seasons
on my third season i flew a rescued mrt
as you can imagine i felt more than confident, when i got my own fhh
ive flown her for the past five seasons and hope to fly her and her offspring for many more to come
i don't think i could have had a better start than that

in answer to your question, a full season atleast with a mentor and hands on
experience (that preferably would mean housing the bird yourself as well)
it worked for me
hope this is the kind of response you were looking for
all the best matty

[buzzbee]

Thanks matty exactly what i was looking for.

[Ker-strel]

Give this guy a break,he asked a legit question,he just didnt word it right!If he wants a bird it doesnt matter how long hes had an interest,at least hes handled birds before he gets his own,more than can be said for most,me included! Go get a redtail son and do some stuff!! Dean


agreed,i dnt understand y everyone has to giv ppl so much hassle,it makes you sceard to post incase you get the greef for it, and no one can learn anything off here if everyone is pussy-footing around wat they rly wanna say