Looking for a 4X4

[Harris]

Ok, in a couple of months I am going to be in the market for a 4x4, originaly I was going to get a Discovery, but after having a good chat yesterday with a friend who owns one, he said that although he hasn't had many problems with his, he wouldn't buy another one as it can be a bit hit or miss. He recommended an Isuzu Trooper as apparently they are extremely reliable. Anybody got one or know anything about them?

Also this is the spec I need for a 4X4 so feel free to make other suggestions.

5 door, LWB, Diesel (GOOD ECONOMY) leather, aircon, elec windows, 7 seats would be usefull, cheap to maintain! and with a budget of around 7K tops. Also needs to have a bit of comfy inside to keep the sparring partner happy! :lol:

[Accipter-Gentilis]

you will get a nice shogun for that price m8,and comfy too but i do like the trooper they are nice 4x4 but the shogun has everything.

[Harris]

you will get a nice shogun for that price m8,and comfy too but i do like the trooper they are nice 4x4 but the shogun has everything.


I thought of a Shogun, there's a garage near me that sells loads of them, all grey imports I think, trouble is thay all got those multi coloured 2 tone bodies with stripes down the side (if you know what I mean) which I think looks *****! what are they like to the Gallon, s thats gonna be the cruncher?

[Accipter-Gentilis]

i no what you mean about two tone body colour:rolleyes:

MPG not sure but you can veggy oil it,surely a lot cheaper.

just go for the defender m8 you wont go wrong 110 station wagon i love them but there not made for comfort:wink:

[Harris]

just go for the defender m8 you wont go wrong 110 station wagon

I would if I wanted a Divorce! :lol:

[BrianM]

yup had a new shogun,( donkey of a car ) got a new jeep grand cherokee,,no good off road,,so i bought a 1992 90 defender,, best car for shooting , falconry ive ever had,,,, wife likes the jeep for around town ,coz of the leather, toys etc, but i love my defender but she wont go in it,,,

[Accipter-Gentilis]

PMSL :twisted:

[SSL]

If you dont like the import Shoguns (which i can understand) buy a UK one.

Mines the 2.8 (being a UK car) and I get around 25-30 MPG, and I have a heavy right foot.

Great off road as you can see... :supz:

[Harris]

That look much better! and she does seem to cope with those sand ripples quiet well to :lol:

Economy is the big thing, but then if I was that worried I would buy a smart car :rolleyes: But I have to get more than the 18 to the Gallon that I get from my Beemer. I may even consider an LPG Conversion.

[MadSpringer]

Have a look at a Toyota Hilux Surf!

http://www.yotasurf.co.uk/

Go for a 3rd Gen 3.0 TD, I get 30mpg out of mine, best motor I've had and would not hesitate at having another. No problem with parts and you get a lot of motor for your money.


Cheers

[BrianM]

yes that model of shogun is far superior to the newer one that i had for off road work

[SSL]

That look much better! and she does seem to cope with those sand ripples quiet well to :lol:

Economy is the big thing, but then if I was that worried I would buy a smart car :rolleyes: But I have to get more than the 18 to the Gallon that I get from my Beemer. I may even consider an LPG Conversion.

She does...:yawinkle:

You'll beat that with a diesel... If you converted a petrol car, would the cost of convertion save you anything in the long run?

[Harris]

She does...:yawinkle:

You'll beat that with a diesel... If you converted a petrol car, would the cost of convertion save you anything in the long run?

Probably not to be honest, good point:supz:

[Harris]

Have a look at a Toyota Hilux Surf!

http://www.yotasurf.co.uk/

Go for a 3rd Gen 3.0 TD, I get 30mpg out of mine, best motor I've had and would not hesitate at having another. No problem with parts and you get a lot of motor for your money.


Cheers

Just had a look mate, the ones in those pics look a bit flashy for my liking, I'm not into graphics and chrome, but I'm sure if I saw a plain one it could be an option. Cheers

[BrianM]

get a defender then ,, deffo not flashy ,, lol

[Harris]

get a defender then ,, deffo not flashy ,, lol


I'd love to but can't afford the 4x4 and a divorce! :lol:

[AngelJakki]

I'd love to but can't afford the 4x4 and a divorce! :lol:

Get a defender 110. Without a doubt an all rounder. I have one you can still get all the other bits you just pay less for your car and change it to your speck.

I am working on mine at the mo when finished will be smart leather interior, front and back high back seats, tinted rear windows, side runners and flip paint (still deciding on colours) to make it abit more girly but loads of room for birds, dogs and kids 11 seater. The after sales market for these are amazing so you make the limits.

Just past its mot need a pipe welding £75 not bad for 16yrs old.

I have to put my hand up and say I am biased as I love landies and have wanted one all my life since I was a little girl. I :heart: them.

[MadSpringer]

Just had a look mate, the ones in those pics look a bit flashy for my liking, I'm not into graphics and chrome, but I'm sure if I saw a plain one it could be an option. Cheers

Thats what I got, one with no gastly graphics, it also has no wide body kit on it so they are about if you look!

Cheers

[Saker-Clive]

How about a Tata Safari................................not many about, Indian made, big, luxurious (leather interior, a/c etc. £15k new.

A lot of car for the money; a tad under-powered only being 2l but I've never got stuck and infact I've towed my mates Defender before now. On average I get between 3-400 on a fill up, (hold 60l, usually refil with 45l).

dealers in your area http://www.tatasales.com/tata_GB_en/static/node11831.html

They also do pick-ups. You should get a good 2nd hand one for £7k. possibly even an 02.

the box in the back is a 2' cube that I occaisionally use for the birds.

[Harris]

Get a defender 110. Without a doubt an all rounder. I have one you can still get all the other bits you just pay less for your car and change it to your speck.

I am working on mine at the mo when finished will be smart leather interior, front and back high back seats, tinted rear windows, side runners and flip paint (still deciding on colours) to make it abit more girly but loads of room for birds, dogs and kids 11 seater. The after sales market for these are amazing so you make the limits.

Just past its mot need a pipe welding £75 not bad for 16yrs old.

I have to put my hand up and say I am biased as I love landies and have wanted one all my life since I was a little girl. I :heart: them.


Does it have Aircon? :yawinkle:

[AngelJakki]

Does it have Aircon? :yawinkle:

Yeah it has to huge vents at the front what more aircon could you need :lol: I've never had to open the windows yet to keep cool with them.

[North East Harris Hawker]

sounds like you want a toyota land cruiser....
not sure if they do a diesel tho:roll:

[Joey]

get ya self one of these monsters lol 40 foot drop on to ins nose and nothing the ultimate off roader but the missus wont like it lol but you can replace her with a newer model lol


joey

[Taffwall]

have you considered a subaru forester or legacy outback. more like an estate to look at but quality cars. superb handling and depending on engine size, good mph.
look on e-bay for any car- good bargains to be had.with 7g you could find almost anything.

[Berkut]

I have a short wheelbase shogun commercial on lease that I am looking to sell or sub-lease.It is black on an 04 plate.
I will post a pic tonight if you like.
It also has a new set of BFG all terrains fitted.

[KevGem1]

iam driving a 3.1 td trooper at the moment it seems to be very realiable nice to drive and pretty good off road between 25+30 to the gallon.i had a 2.5 tdi discovery before the trooper and to be honest id rather have the trooper.

ps with 7k you would get a cracker but stay away from the 3.0 troopers iv heard the engine are not to good. the 3.1 engine is far better hope this helps KEV. ;-)

[Berkut]

sounds like you want a toyota land cruiser....
not sure if they do a diesel tho:roll:
They do it in diesel.I have one but it has not seen wet grass yet.:grin: :yawinkle:

[Harris]

iam driving a 3.1 td trooper at the moment it seems to be very realiable nice to drive and pretty good off road between 25+30 to the gallon.i had a 2.5 tdi discovery before the trooper and to be honest id rather have the trooper.

ps with 7k you would get a cracker but stay away from the 3.0 troopers iv heard the engine are not to good. the 3.1 engine is far better hope this helps KEV. ;-)

Cheers mate that echos what my mate said yesterday, he loves his disco but wouldn't buy another one as he wants a trooper.

Thanks as well to everyone who has made suggestions:lol: well except 1 or 2 :roll:

[BlackHawke]

i like the mitsubushi warriors, with a enclosed rear, loadsa space n stylish design

[Hacker]

I have had a few 4x4`s in my time including a 3.1td Trooper but to get 30mpg out of it you would have to be rolling down a hill with the keys out of it.
You will not get good consumption from any of the large 4x4`s as it is physically impossible to propel a large,heavy 4x4 with the aerodynamics of a brick through the air on a thimble of juice.
You will average 25mpg with most of the 2.2 -2.8 diesel brigade and the downwards with anything larger.
We drove a 4.2ltr landcruiser to Cologne many a time and would only get about 18mpg, disco`s 25-28 and Range rovers about 14-18mpg.
The question is do you really need a full blown capable 4x4 or something that has 4x4 capability when the going gets a bit muddy?
As said earlier Subaru make good motors, diesel Freelanders, do not touch a petrol one with a barge pole.
The choice is yours, pick wisely!

[Harris]

Cheers mate! Anyone got any comments about this I just found on ebay, it caught my eye, not sure about the mileage though, how long do these things run for?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MITSUBISHI-SHOGUN-2-8TD-GLS-LWB-AUTO-7-Seat-DIESEL-4x4_W0QQitemZ290000655922QQcategoryZ18230QQrdZ1QQc mdZViewItem

[Accipter-Gentilis]

it looks tidy but 6 owners:shock: sensible mileage for year too

[Harris]

it looks tidy but 6 owners:shock: sensible mileage for year too

I agree, looks stunning, apart from the ding on the back bumper! but yes 6 owners :-|

[Accipter-Gentilis]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2004-LAND-ROVER-DEFENDER-90-TD5-XS-BLUE-L-K-LOW-MILES_W0QQitemZ4652705873QQihZ002QQcategoryZ29748Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Harris]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2004-LAND-ROVER-DEFENDER-90-TD5-XS-BLUE-L-K-LOW-MILES_W0QQitemZ4652705873QQihZ002QQcategoryZ29748Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Now you avin a laugh! :lol: :lol:

[AndyYounger]

At least with that shogun you will have plenty of change.
i am in the motortrade and have sold these vehicles for years.

i would not buy a 3.0 trooper and at that money i would opt for a 2.8 shogun or idealy a 3.0 diesel landcruiser colorado! and with all of them if you get 22mpg you will be doing well. its only the disco that really gets better fuel consomption. they are also a lot cheaper to maintain.

[Harris]

At least with that shogun you will have plenty of change.
i am in the motortrade and have sold these vehicles for years.

i would not buy a 3.0 trooper and at that money i would opt for a 2.8 shogun or idealy a 3.0 diesel landcruiser colorado! and with all of them if you get 22mpg you will be doing well. its only the disco that really gets better fuel consomption. they are also a lot cheaper to maintain.


Cheers Andy a disco was my first choice, whats your opinion on the diesels?

Also what could I get for my money?

Cheers Simon

[TinyLoc UK]

I currently run a an old 3.9 V8 Range Rover which I had converted to LPG
which costs me 0.41p per litre on a run I can average 28 miles per Gallon.I have had it for four years and only had to replaced a Battery, it is very easy to service with minimum of tools.

[SSL]

I currently run a an old 3.9 V8 Range Rover which I had converted to LPG
which costs me 0.41p per litre on a run I can average 28 miles per Gallon.I have had it for four years and only had to replaced a Battery, it is very easy to service with minimum of tools.

When does the duty freeze end on LPG?

[xshadowstorm]

what about a nissan torrano 2.7 good alround 4x4 28 mpg

[Blaze]

Just my opinion......but if you are going to be using it off road quite alot i would personally get a manual and ignore the auto's!.....specially in really boggy conditions and thats out of my own experiance!...

Adam

[Tooker]

Thought you guys would be environmentalists!!! Think of all this needless greenhouse gas emission?!
put a cadge on the back of your push bike with a hole so you can errect an umbrella if it rains.

[Harris]

Thought you guys would be environmentalists!!! Think of all this needless greenhouse gas emission?!
put a cadge on the back of your push bike with a hole so you can errect an umbrella if it rains.


Mate if you can carry, my mrs, and 3 kids plus my dog and the infinate amount of sh*t I carry around in the car, on a cadge then you got the job!! :lol:

[North East Harris Hawker]

INTERESTING SOME OF THE MILEAGE QUOTES, DISCOS 25-28 OOops!
that must be cross country? mine has just over 200,000 miles on it and i thought i was getting around 33-35 mpg turns out its nearer 38 mpg :supz:
thats doing between 60 and 65mph on a good run.

some may say thats too slow, but the main reason for a 4wd off roader is not speed.
If you wanna go fast..really fast, buy a motorbike !

[BrianM]

you know it makes sense

[Harris]

Looks more impressive like this!

[BrianM]

Looks more impressive like this!
## damn never thought of that lol

[Kentish Falconry]

you know it makes sense

Is that a HH I spy driveing your Motor Brian ???????
:lol: :lol:

[BrianM]

no mate shes only got a provisional license

[Hacker]

Just my opinion......but if you are going to be using it off road quite alot i would personally get a manual and ignore the auto's!.....specially in really boggy conditions and thats out of my own experiance!...

Adam
Off road an auto is a better gearbox if used correctly, ie selecting 1st lock up for downhill descents.
We always used auto`s in the racers, more reliable, kept your hands on the wheel, usefull at approx speeds of up to a 100mph off road!
When driving through rivers or other standing water you will not stall if you hit a submerged object which in turn could lead to hydraulicking the engine with water.
Very expensive.

[Lurcer]

Ok, in a couple of months I am going to be in the market for a 4x4, originaly I was going to get a Discovery, but after having a good chat yesterday with a friend who owns one, he said that although he hasn't had many problems with his, he wouldn't buy another one as it can be a bit hit or miss. He recommended an Isuzu Trooper as apparently they are extremely reliable. Anybody got one or know anything about them?

Also this is the spec I need for a 4X4 so feel free to make other suggestions.

5 door, LWB, Diesel (GOOD ECONOMY) leather, aircon, elec windows, 7 seats would be usefull, cheap to maintain! and with a budget of around 7K tops. Also needs to have a bit of comfy inside to keep the sparring partner happy! :lol:
get a honda crv, great on the rode, good enough off road, and stacks of room... ideal

[Harris]

get a honda crv, great on the rode, good enough off road, and stacks of room... ideal

Noy until they do a 7 seater Diesel mate, they do look nice though.

Looks like we are going for a 2 year old Diesel Shogun Elagance, like this one.

[Lurcer]

very nice mate, looks tidy enough!!

[Harris]

Yup! I should point out tho thats not the one I'm buying, can't afford it for a month or so, but will be looking for one just like it :lol:

[OutFlying]

I see the 7k budget has been exceeded :lol:

[Blaze]

Just a touch!...:lol:

[SSL]

I see the 7k budget has been exceeded :lol:

In fine style... :roll:

[Harris]

I see the 7k budget has been exceeded :lol:

7K budget! What 7K budget:lol:

:oops: I sort of doubled it and added a bit for good measure! :lol:

[Hacker]

They have really ballsed up the styling on the shogun, looks like a bloody hippo.
To many shiny bits for offroading and i can see the interior is extremly hardwearing.
You had better get a good leather cleaner to remove the hawk guano m8!
Still you will look the part at Tesco`s:lol:

[Harris]

They have really ballsed up the styling on the shogun, looks like a bloody hippo.
To many shiny bits for offroading and i can see the interior is extremly hardwearing.
You had better get a good leather cleaner to remove the hawk guano m8!
Still you will look the part at Tesco`s:lol:

Don't blame me mate! I would have settled for 15yr old 110, But you know what women are like :roll: Especially as she's been spoilt for the last few years being Chauffeured around in brand new 530 Sport. But learnt my lesson there as I've lost over 30K on it in 4 years :evil:

[Hacker]

You had better ask Stu to make you one of those hawk boxes or she will go potty when you come back with it mucky, both in and out:supz:

[BrianM]

thats the model i had ,, spent more time being pulled out of fields by the farmer that anything else,, and that was with grabber tyes on,,,

[SSL]

They have really ballsed up the styling on the shogun,

I agree, in the last ten years they've got it wrong styling wise... While Land Rover seem to be getting the looks department sorted.

Makes me laugh though apparently the warranty is void on a brand new Landcruiser if you take it off road?:oops:

[Harris]

I agree, in the last ten years they've got it wrong styling wise... While Land Rover seem to be getting the looks department sorted.

Makes me laugh though apparently the warranty is void on a brand new Landcruiser if you take it off road?:oops:

I have to disagree with the landy comment steve, I personally think they start with a box, then sharpen up the corners to make it a bit boxier then stick a wheel on each corner and a landrover badge on the back :lol:

I do agree that they do the job though, but I ain't gonna be climbing mountains in my shogun, as I don't own a Falcon :lol:

[SSL]

I have to disagree with the landy comment steve, I personally think they start with a box, then sharpen up the corners to make it a bit boxier then stick a wheel on each corner and a landrover badge on the back :lol:

I do agree that they do the job though, but I ain't gonna be climbing mountains in my shogun, as I don't own a Falcon :lol:

I meant Discos and Ranger Rovers, the proper landies as you say.. :lol:

[Harris]

I meant Discos and Ranger Rovers, the proper landies as you say.. :lol:

oh, well in that case the newer ones are quiet nice but still lack that certain something in my opinion, maybe its because they haven't really changed the design in around 20 years. But they do still manage to look classy to be fair.