Kangaroo

[buzzbee]

When i get my bird i want it to have the best anklets jess etc. Am i right in thinking that Kangaroo leather is the best? How much would this cost if so? If i am wrong any other suggestions please?

[Jackson]

i think, kangeroo is pretty good. from what ive been shown, its strong and soft. if you look on westwealds falconry supplies website theyll have some prices im sure! kangeroo is definately top leather!

[Paddy1]

falconry farications cant remember how much but quite cheap

[Liam Hay]

i don't like kangaroo personally, u will find some leather just as good alot cheaper, kangaroo if u don't keep it to it an go hard and cause injuries,

Liam

[buzzbee]

ta:supz:

[Jackson]

i don't like kangaroo personally, u will find some leather just as good alot cheaper, kangaroo if u don't keep it to it an go hard and cause injuries,

Liam

what do you use instead just out of interst?

[Harris]

i think, kangeroo is pretty good. from what ive been shown, its strong and soft. if you look on westwealds falconry supplies website theyll have some prices im sure! kangeroo is definately top leather!

I but lots of kit of Westweald, Brian is a really nice guy and very helpfull!

[Jackson]

I but lots of kit of Westweald, Brian is a really nice guy and very helpfull!

yup me too!! got me first glove there!! never bought his leatehr though but i nknow someone who got some and it was really nice!!

[buzzbee]

i don't like kangaroo personally, u will find some leather just as good alot cheaper, kangaroo if u don't keep it to it an go hard and cause injuries,

Liam

I was going to use neatsfoot on it. As i think its the best stuff to use?

[Hacker]

Try looking at your site sponsors!!!!!!!!!!!

[Liam Hay]

what do you use instead just out of interst?

I have leather to last me a life time, just simple cow hide in different thickness and strength

Liam

[Harris]

yup me too!! got me first glove there!! never bought his leatehr though but i nknow someone who got some and it was really nice!!

I recently bought one of his Deer skin gloves, its top quality am very happy with it :lol:

[buzzbee]

didnt think of that:roll:

[Jackson]

I have leather to last me a life time, just simple cow hide in different thickness and strength

Liam

mm nice! how soft is it??

[Liam Hay]

very far softer than kangaroo

[buzzbee]

****** my fingers hurting ( s**** the thoughts lads:lol: ) Been on comp all day and everyones replyed to me threads for once im so happy!
Even with PChay likin me lol :) :lol: :D

[Claire]

just be aware you dont want anything chrome tanned (shiny) as it makes the leather easy to tear, you want veg tanned, we used calf skin at the centre for most of the birds and only used kangaroo for the tinys merlin and kestrels etc

[buzzbee]

just be aware you dont want anything chrome tanned (shiny) as it makes the leather easy to tear, you want veg tanned, we used calf skin at the centre for most of the birds and only used kangaroo for the tinys merlin and kestrels etc

Any average prices?

[Claire]

no idea on how much veg tan calf costs I do use kangaroo on my kes and pay around £30 for a whole hide (which tends to have unusable weak spots) on ebay

[buzzbee]

no idea on how much veg tan calf costs I do use kangaroo on my kes and pay around £30 for a whole hide (which tends to have unusable weak spots) on ebay

Thanks

[Wilfred]

I solely use kangaroo leather. All the leather i have originates from ebay. Amazin oz. Who is also a site sponsor here. He delivers top quality. And is some great supplier.

[OutFlying]

bought a couple of hides off him, good to deal with and a fast service.

Jim.

[AngelJakki]

I've just had a hide of him and it is top grade. better than any other I have seen. 1.4mm thick and consistent lovely going to get some chrome of him hopefuly to make a glove or 2.

[Venividevenatio]

i don't like kangaroo personally, u will find some leather just as good alot cheaper, kangaroo if u don't keep it to it an go hard and cause injuries,

Liam

I have leather to last me a life time, just simple cow hide in different thickness and strength

Liam

QUOTE=PCHay] very far softer than kangaroo[/QUOTE]




AT LAST, someone that doesn't see kangaroo as the be all, saviour of leather for all falconry uses!!!
It is the tanning and currying that is important, more so, than the type of animal it comes from.

[Harris]

[/QUOTE]

It is the tanning and currying that is important, [/QUOTE]

Youv'e obviously eaten at my local takeaway! :lol:

[Altai]

The best jess leather I ever saw was some oil tanned dog skin.
The late John Haywood (artist and falconer) used it 35 years ago to make traditional jesses.
It was only about 1.5mm but was very strong (I was told that was because it lacked sweat pores!!!?).

I had a used one of these jesses as a key fob for about ten years.

[HUNTER]

Being my last entry to the forum to answer your question kangaroo leather is the strongest leather the the world for its size i mean the length and width of the animal.The reason it will become stiff is because you should rub leather cream on the article which is made from the leather.It has a high tension level and at the same time it is soft enough so your bird has complete comfort.Also it is used all over the world for shoeing because people with feet problems can walk a 100percent better because the leather moves to make room for the toes at the same time suport the anckles.And the price is not expensive if you know where to buy it i hope as my last message i have helped Hunter:supz:

[Matthew Patching]

I prefer calf skin for anklets, but kangaroo for jesses on birds upto the size of a female HH, but then switch to calf for the jess aswell. reason being kangaroo stretches and becomes loose even after you have stretched and greased it.

[buzzbee]

Cheers for the ideas everyone.

[buzzbee]

Hunter,im confused do you mean it was your last message and you wouldnt be on again? Or it was your last message and from then on you would just be veiwing?:confused:

[HUNTER]

To answer your question i am dissapointed that i cant legally hunt with a bird and being the first forum i ever joined i am under the belief if you are not a falconry owner you could not be a part of the forum.Since i joined the forum it has helped me understand the law of hunting more.And i still dont agree falconry should be against the law in this country.Buzzbee do you realize in this country of mt they slill drag dead kangarooes behind a car in the bush and every 200meters or so they put a poison waxed tablet down pour milk on it then come back the next day for dead foxes they also at the same time kill alot of the bird life all of this waste of killing harmless animals just for foxes.And people say hunting with a bird is crule.Thats what i do not understand.And thats the sort of person i am if i have a veiw i say it just like what i said about kangaroo skins that is true and believe me if you shop around you can buy for 7 dollars a foot and thats for top grade and nobody worry i am not trying to sell it my living was football and now its industral factory building and selling. Hunter:cool:

[buzzbee]

You dont have to be actively involved in Falconry to be on this forum. Just have an interest in Birds of Prey. If i have offended you in this thread i apologise. But a main reason for using this forum is to ask questions and voice opinions. I am not going to say i support Kangaroo hunting as i dont. But the fact is what is better for my bird?
loz

[HUNTER]

nMate you have helped me not offended me.As i have stated before i thought i had to be purchasing a hunting bird to be a member i find the forum very intresting and prestented well in format.It is not your folt it is against the law in Australia .I FIST WITNESSED an example of falconry years ago when i went to the UK years ago and that is really where the dream came from.Also it great you dont like killing kangaroos and to an extent i agree.The reason why i shoot them is because i would go broke feeding the cattle if i did not cull them and i get DPI Tags for them which mean it is controled .And i have to say every piece of the kangaroo is not wasted Hunter:supz:

[buzzbee]

nMate you have helped me not offended me.As i have stated before i thought i had to be purchasing a hunting bird to be a member i find the forum very intresting and prestented well in format.It is not your folt it is against the law in Australia .I FIST WITNESSED an example of falconry years ago when i went to the UK years ago and that is really where the dream came from.Also it great you dont like killing kangaroos and to an extent i agree.The reason why i shoot them is because i would go broke feeding the cattle if i did not cull them and i get DPI Tags for them which mean it is controled .And i have to say every piece of the kangaroo is not wasted Hunter:supz:

Well you defo dont have to. Yeah its really informative with a few laughs along the way. I can understand why you have to do just id never dream of doing it myself. Are you planning on getting a bird yourself?

[HUNTER]

Well you defo dont have to. Yeah its really informative with a few laughs along the way. I can understand why you have to do just id never dream of doing it myself. Are you planning on getting a bird yourself?
If i were to be caught with a hunting bird the **** would hit the fan.But if i could i would and that is for sure .The Doctor i am under told me to retire that why i am trying to put thing in place at a 100miles an hour.T HATS WHY I WAS IN SUCH A RUSH ABOUT A GOOD HUNTING BIRD.Is their anything stopping me having one and not hunt. :supz:

[buzzbee]

Good points there. Which bird would you like to have?

[HUNTER]

Good points there. Which bird would you like to have?
Is it true that the right bird can take down a fox:oops:

[buzzbee]

Is it true that the right bird can take down a fox:oops:

An Eagle. Didnt understand your question to good but took a guess :D

[Jiff]

back onto leather, i have loads of roo leather, i baught it as i thaught that was the stuff to have, but to be honnest i like thicker soft leather for anklets, i've made jesses from roo leather, i need to use it for something, i grease it well and leave it in the box untill i need it, i've had no problems with it going hard but i find it tends to twist,so after a while instead of a 12mm wide jess i have a jess that resembles a piece of string,

[buzzbee]

back onto leather, i have loads of roo leather, i baught it as i thaught that was the stuff to have, but to be honnest i like thicker soft leather for anklets, i've made jesses from roo leather, i need to use it for something, i grease it well and leave it in the box untill i need it, i've had no problems with it going hard but i find it tends to twist,so after a while instead of a 12mm wide jess i have a jess that resembles a piece of string,

So not to brill then ? lol. What type of leather grease do you use?

[Jiff]

cocholine mate,but i find it only realy works well if you apply it liberaly well before the leather is to be used, as soon as i get leather (and new gloves) i apply the grease and put it away untill needed.

[buzzbee]

cocholine mate,but i find it only realy works well if you apply it liberaly well before the leather is to be used, as soon as i get leather (and new gloves) i apply the grease and put it away untill needed.

Hrm. I would do it bit differently. Greasing jess and anklets when ive cut them. The leather ive practised on this is what i have done. Ever used neatsfoot?

[AmateurAustringer]

I prefer calf skin for anklets, but kangaroo for jesses on birds upto the size of a female HH, but then switch to calf for the jess aswell. reason being kangaroo stretches and becomes loose even after you have stretched and greased it.

Which way do you cut along the grain Matt?

[AmateurAustringer]

Ever used neatsfoot?

It stinks use Ko-Chi (sp?)

[DeathFromAbove]

Personally I much preffer Kangaroo leather, it's proven to be strong and least stretchy whilst also being most durable and strong, perfect for falconry equipment use. Sure you may have to grease it up with a bit of ko-cho-line once in a while but that to me is just general husbandry and should be part of the whole trust around the feet thing between falconer and bird.

[buzzbee]

It stinks use Ko-Chi (sp?)

Never thought so. Ill give the other stuff ago though

[Gary F]

no idea on how much veg tan calf costs I do use kangaroo on my kes and pay around £30 for a whole hide (which tends to have unusable weak spots) on ebay
hi claire ,,can you think who on ebay you got your kangaroo from,was it hi ya mel?
thinking of getting some off him myself,
ty gary

[Claire]

it was amazing oz who is also a forum sponser

[HUNTER]

An Eagle. Didnt understand your question to good but took a guess :D
On my farm i have a problem with foxes i will not lay posion down for them that a bad act.I cant shot them all because their is yust to many and hard to hunt that is why i asked the question can a large hunting bird bring down a fox with out being hurt Hunter:supz:

[HUNTER]

Never thought so. Ill give the other stuff ago though
Mate i am not trying to tell you what to do .But please try a cream called Lacol or Sarba cream just apply the cream on the leather and it helps the leather breath again and it will bring the natural color back into the item of leather you can buy it from most hobby leather shops and that cream is the best on the market Hunter:grin:

[HUNTER]

no idea on how much veg tan calf costs I do use kangaroo on my kes and pay around £30 for a whole hide (which tends to have unusable weak spots) on ebay
For my to bob veg taned skins are the best and should have antymould treated into the skin while being taned.Also buying kangaroo skins can be a bit dicey unless you buy them for example a person who sponsores the forum .Because when you said the skin has week spots that means the skin has not been totally trimed after tanning because they the dealer is paid by the foot or by the meter so they dont trim around the flanks and legs properly.So buy of somebody who places addes on this site.And calf hide in Australia is worth around 5 dollars a foot and it is not the best the best calf skins in the world come from the UK .And roo skin is 7 dollars a foot that is AUS Dollars:supz:

[Claire]

For my to bob veg taned skins are the best and should have antymould treated into the skin while being taned.Also buying kangaroo skins can be a bit dicey unless you buy them for example a person who sponsores the forum .Because when you said the skin has week spots that means the skin has not been totally trimed after tanning because they the dealer is paid by the foot or by the meter so they dont trim around the flanks and legs properly.So buy of somebody who places addes on this site.And calf hide in Australia is worth around 5 dollars a foot and it is not the best the best calf skins in the world come from the UK .And roo skin is 7 dollars a foot that is AUS Dollars:supz:
I was buying whole hide not by the meter, and bidding on ebay, there was very little unusable leather where it was trimmed but it is leather and any scars on the animal appear as weak spots in the leather, there was only really one of these but it is important that people know what to look for in leather and not to use scarred areas and also which way to cut the leather when making jesses

[buzzbee]

On my farm i have a problem with foxes i will not lay posion down for them that a bad act.I cant shot them all because their is yust to many and hard to hunt that is why i asked the question can a large hunting bird bring down a fox with out being hurt Hunter:supz:

Defo an Eagle. A goldy probably would be easier to get hold of?

[buzzbee]

Mate i am not trying to tell you what to do .But please try a cream called Lacol or Sarba cream just apply the cream on the leather and it helps the leather breath again and it will bring the natural color back into the item of leather you can buy it from most hobby leather shops and that cream is the best on the market Hunter:grin:

Hey, i asked for advice and youve givin it to me. Ill try and get some when ive got time to.:supz:

[HUNTER]

I was buying whole hide not by the meter, and bidding on ebay, there was very little unusable leather where it was trimmed but it is leather and any scars on the animal appear as weak spots in the leather, there was only really one of these but it is important that people know what to look for in leather and not to use scarred areas and also which way to cut the leather when making jesses
You are right about the scarring on the skins and we have a great deal of problems with tick marks and barb wire markes as well as fighting marks on kangaroo skins.In Australia most people who have to buy skins buy them from Western Australia because they seem to have less scarring.And the tanneries left in Australia mostly buy cow hide from the UK.And then sell them on in Australia.And i find cutting leather with the grain instead of against the grain stop the tearing

[HUNTER]

Hey, i asked for advice and youve givin it to me. Ill try and get some when ive got time to.:supz:
A man i became friendes with about 30years ago used to tell me when you have hawks flying on your land you wont have problems with foxes.He came from Germany is that right.

[buzzbee]

A man i became friendes with about 30years ago used to tell me when you have hawks flying on your land you wont have problems with foxes.He came from Germany is that right.

I dont think so i cant imagine a fox staying away for example a Harris pos a female though. If you had acouple of eagles flying around that would be a different matter because 1 eagle = dead fox/s.:lol:
Added- mind you could vary in Germany as never been there.

[HUNTER]

I dont think so i cant imagine a fox staying away for example a Harris pos a female though. If you had acouple of eagles flying around that would be a different matter because 1 eagle = dead fox/s.:lol:
Added- mind you could vary in Germany as never been there.
The reasoning behind that was if the foxes saw an eagle or to they would stay away from your property.Also i might be in luck i had a bloke contact me and say he has some friends if i want to view them so at the end of the week i am going up home to Brisbane and checking it out.:supz:

[buzzbee]

The reasoning behind that was if the foxes saw an eagle or to they would stay away from your property.Also i might be in luck i had a bloke contact me and say he has some friends if i want to view them so at the end of the week i am going up home to Brisbane and checking it out.:supz:

I wouldnt have thought so.But give it ago mate. Good luck:supz:

[HUNTER]

:supz: Anything is worth a try as long as i learn how to do it the right way.I wont harm any creature that i have in my care and if this GUY is not full of it i will make shore i have every bit of advice i can get.AND THIS FORUM IS GOOD FOR THAT FOR EXAMPLE SOMEONE OM THR FORUM SUGGESTED I BUY CERTAIN BOOKS TO READ WHICH I DID AND THEY HAVE HELPED I KNOW IT IS NOT LIKE THE REAL THING BUT THAT WILL COME WITH THE RIGHT TIME HUNTER:supz:

[buzzbee]

Like i said mate if you really want to and think its a good idea go for it:D

[Ermoro]

An Information ...

A .9mm Kangaroo leather is good to craft Hood and jesses for a male lanner (550gr)?

I've read that some of you abitually use kangaroo leather with 1.2 1.3mm thickness, they surely have better resistance but is strictly necessary for the medium/small birds too?

Sorry again fr my awful english

Daniele

[HUNTER]

An Information ...

A .9mm Kangaroo leather is good to craft Hood and jesses for a male lanner (550gr)?

I've read that some of you abitually use kangaroo leather with 1.2 1.3mm thickness, they surely have better resistance but is strictly necessary for the medium/small birds too?

Sorry again fr my awful english

Daniele
9mm kangaroo leather is just as good the only reason the leather is different thickiness is because when they put the skin into the shaving machine that is what states the thickness and yes the back of the skins are buffed but that addes to a fraction coming of the thickness as someone else said on the forum it is in the tanning best veg tanning and buy your leather off one of the sponsores off the forum then you wont be ripped off.