spar chicks

[wallacemlb]

can anyone explain why my friends 10 day old spar chicks have started what looks like there legs going behind there wings and there mouths are open, have been feeding well uptill now 3 are ok and the other 3 have giving cause to worry with the above problem still feeding but there appetite is not very good:

[Dean]

can anyone explain why my friends 10 day old spar chicks have started what looks like there legs going behind there wings and there mouths are open, have been feeding well uptill now 3 are ok and the other 3 have giving cause to worry with the above problem still feeding but there appetite is not very good:
What has he been feeding the sparrowhawks and how often?

[Sprout]

Any pics of what they're doing?

[Alf]

Are they off the heat?

can anyone explain why my friends 10 day old spar chicks have started what looks like there legs going behind there wings and there mouths are open, have been feeding well uptill now 3 are ok and the other 3 have giving cause to worry with the above problem still feeding but there appetite is not very good:

[wallacemlb]

still on heat fed every four hours and i believe he is feeding best beef minced to them i personally would have used minced quail no there is no photos of them

[SSL]

The diets terrible. :evil: How can people be so stupid.. :evil:

[MattSpar]

Wrong diet, and they should be off heat by now.

[Talon]

the best thing to do with best minced beef is make burgers with,totaly unsuitable for young birds especialy spars.
try quail a lot better.

[Sprout]

Agreed, VERY VERY poor diet, probably cause of symptoms!!!!!!!! Need calcium and rest of nutrients ASAP

[Joey]

we use on my mentors spars mince wood pigeon calcium tablets mixed in crushed of course and when they get older the same stuff but on a carcase and we make a spar mix minced woodpigeon quial ox heart rats from food suppliers and cant remeber got the recipy in me book somewhere but the birds there is never nothing wrong with them and are in top health



joey

[OutFlying]

It's amazing that the guy can hatch successfully 6 eggs, but not know the diet required.



Jim.

[Sprout]

we use on my mentors spars mince wood pigeon calcium tablets mixed in crushed of course and when they get older the same stuff but on a carcase and we make a spar mix minced woodpigeon quial ox heart rats from food suppliers and cant remeber got the recipy in me book somewhere but the birds there is never nothing wrong with them and are in top health



joey
Whats wrong with minced quail/DOC/rat????? Why bother adding supplement if the diet is whole?

[Sprout]

It's amazing that the guy can hatch successfully 6 eggs, but not know the diet required.

Put them back in the nest ;)

Jim.
:supz: :supz: Agreed, someone who can beed spars but not have a clue of diet?????????????????

[Gosman_2]

get some zocal-D and a probiotic with multyvitamines,if u havent any rat quail or DOC shoot some sparrows or starlings mince them up well add a few drops of zocal-d and sprinkle a pinch of the probiotic feed little but often this might save them from the ****ing agonsing death that the are about to have

[MattSpar]

If they're 10 days old and in the state they seem to be, it's too late surely?

[Sprout]

If they're 10 days old and in the state they seem to be, it's too late surely?
Bones of rubber???? Very possibly too late but always worth a try

[Tim Laycock]

Cooked Spars, fed on *****!

Might as well have fed them dog ****!

Im not even gonna start :roll:

[Talon]

Cooked Spars, fed on *****!

Might as well have fed them dog ****!

Im not even gonna start :roll:

agreed Bb.
but what i carnt make out he must know what hes feeding the adult birds on ?so to get firtile eggs out of them and hatch they must be on a farely decent diet i would of thought,so why not feed the young birds on similar diet.as the adult birds but minced or chopped very fine.its just common sense i would of thought.to a person capable of breeding spars in the first place.?

[Big JoeJoe]

agreed Bb.
but what i carnt make out he must know what hes feeding the adult birds on ?so to get firtile eggs out of them and hatch they must be on a farely decent diet i would of thought,so why not feed the young birds on similar diet.as the adult birds but minced or chopped very fine.its just common sense i would of thought.to a person capable of breeding spars in the first place.?

Has he got adult birds or has he robbed the chicks from a nest???? or the eggs and hatched em ????, I got a suspicious mind and things like this then my mind gives out sus thoughts straght away.

Cheers Joe

[Alf]

Looks like it! To late for one or two but he could help things if he places then individualy in a small blow so they cant move so they don’t splay there legs any more than they have. Personally I think there fu”%ed, NEVER MIND THERE IS PLENTY MORE WHERE THEY CAME FROM? ****es me off but what can you do.:evil:


Cooked Spars, fed on *****!

Might as well have fed them dog ****!

Im not even gonna start :roll:

[Dean]

still on heat fed every four hours and i believe he is feeding best beef minced to them i personally would have used minced quail no there is no photos of them
This guys a nutter,they shouldnt be on the heat a ten days,they have calcium deficiency,I can guarentee their slices are tarry brown and none will survive,I even doubt hes bred them if the diet of the so called parents are similar to the so called offspring!

[wallacemlb]

just like to say thanks very much for all of the positive advice over this i will pass your information onto him as i agree also with what you are saying
thanks alot

[Talon]

Has he got adult birds or has he robbed the chicks from a nest???? or the eggs and hatched em ????, I got a suspicious mind and things like this then my mind gives out sus thoughts straght away.

Cheers Joe


you could have a point there joe.???

[Hardcore Hawker]

More than one pair if he has six fertile eggs im with big joe theiving scumbag if you ask me. I would love to take a spar from the wild ( under license of course ) fly it through the hardest part of its life then cut equipment off and release in the spring but we are not allowed i know of areas with spars nests but would not risk being banned from keeping BOP if caught its people like this muppet that will prevent licenses being issued again. I hope im wrong but this is very fishy if you ask me.

[GoodFooter]

The chap may have more than one breeding pair ???
MIND YOU DOESNT SEEM TO DESERVE THEM but we are getting this story secong hand!

[Sparrow Hawker]

As has been said calcium is a very important requirement for all young birds not just spars, they need it to help with devlopment of bones etc. Spars are very sceptible to ricketts this is very likely what there suffering from.

Best way to get calcium into the diet for young birds, is to use a hand mincer, firstly skin and gut the quails, rats, mice, pigeons etc the guts and skin can be thrown away. The food items can then be put through a mincer bone and all.

All The Best,

SH

[OutFlying]

Sounds odd to us all. Something is a miss somewhere.

[GoodFooter]

Sounds odd to us all. Something is a miss somewhere.
VERY .....ignoring any emotional attachments to BOP....to have a £1000 of BOPs and not know what to feed . ....suspicious to own any animal and not know how to manage it ( heat food etc) odd.:confused:

[MattSpar]

Whoa everyone... It's quite possible to have six eyasses of the same age from one pair you know. I've done it in the past. In fact I once had seven. You just replace the eggs with dummies, or pull them, and don't incubate till the sixth , or in my case, seventh is laid.

This chap may be guilty of feeding his eyasses a bad diet, but to accuse him of nest robbing with no evidence....

Evidence gentlemen, you need evidence.

[GoodFooter]

Whoa everyone... It's quite possible to have six eyasses of the same age from one pair you know. I've done it in the past. In fact I once had seven. You just replace the eggs with dummies, or pull them, and don't incubate till the sixth , or in my case, seventh is laid.

This chap may be guilty of feeding his eyasses a bad diet, but to accuse him of nest robbing with no evidence....

Evidence gentlemen, you need evidence.
your suggestion may also explain why some have gone downhill faster than others..... 6-7 eggs laid in sucession would put high demands on the female and likely to cause nutritonally depletion in the latter ones.

[SSL]

Rather stupid the way this is going on a public forum, with ones own so willing to come to this conclusion no wonder the RSPB do.


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[MattSpar]

your suggestion may also explain why some have gone downhill faster than others..... 6-7 eggs laid in sucession would put high demands on the female and likely to cause nutritonally depletion in the latter ones.

I'd have to disagree. Six or seven eggs for a spar isn't exactly exceptional. There's no reason, provided the adults get a proper diet, why this should happen. I once had a spar that laid three clutches of seven, six, and six. All the eggs hatched, and all the eyasses were just fine.

[GoodFooter]

I'd have to disagree. Six or seven eggs for a spar isn't exactly exceptional. There's no reason, provided the adults get a proper diet, why this should happen. I once had a spar that laid three clutches of seven, six, and six. All the eggs hatched, and all the eyasses were just fine.
If the young are being fed beef do you really think the adults are getting a proper diet???? if they were fed beef there would almost certainly be a calcium deficiency. All speculation...........just very odd that some one would have so many spar chicks and no know how to feed them.....I that still stands

[MattSpar]

If the young are being fed beef do you really think the adults are getting a proper diet???? if they were fed beef there would almost certainly be a calcium deficiency. All speculation......and all from the initial point I made to say there was nothing to suggest these were wild taken.....just very odd that some one would have so many spar chicks and no know how to feed them.....I that still stands

Ah yes, I was just pointing out, apropos of nothing in particular, that spars can produce numerous offsping with no ill effects. Of course a beef diet will lead to problems.