smoking hi lux surf

[clive]

please can someone help me as i have a hilux surf which is smoking , i've tried the ball bearing in the egr valve but still it smokes, when i excellerate

[Paddy1]

i take it its a deisel turbo and what colour smoke mate

[MickeyDredd]

is it the 2.5 or 3 litre?

[Talon]

ive heard of smoking grass.but turf.:wink: is it any good lol

[clive]

i take it its a deisel turbo and what colour smoke mate
it is td and the smoke is black

[clive]

is it the 2.5 or 3 litre?
it is the 2.4

[Paddy1]

whats it like first thing in the morning mte and does it do it all day or does it clear up ?

[MickeyDredd]

Clive

I know sod all about engines but I do know that the 2.4 has a bad reputation for blowing heads - dont know if the smoke is a sign of this about to happen.

MD

[Paddy1]

[QUOTE=Talon]ive heard of smoking grass.but turf.:wink: is it any good lol



wouldnt recmend it mate it tastes like s**t lol

[Tim Laycock]

it is the 2.4

My condolences :cry:

[Paddy1]

Clive

I know sod all about engines but I do know that the 2.4 has a bad reputation for blowing heads - dont know if the smoke is a sign of this about to happen.

MD



good ews is doesnt sound like the head as the smoke would be white ,black smoke indcates oil contamination in one of the cylinders or worst case senario the turbo could be worn

[clive]

whats it like first thing in the morning mte and does it do it all day or does it clear up ?
smokes the same all day really m8

[Paddy1]

smokes the same all day really m8



and using oil ?

[clive]

good ews is doesnt sound like the head as the smoke would be white ,black smoke indcates oil contamination in one of the cylinders or worst case senario the turbo could be worn
i the heads bin done and ive bin told that if the turbo's worn the smoke wud be blue

[clive]

and using oil ?
not using oil

[Paddy1]

i the heads bin done and ive bin told that if the turbo's worn the smoke wud be blue


one way to test the turbo mate take of the pipe and see if their is any play in the shaft mate if their is then you should be able to get it reconditioned

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

sounds like it could have a cracked cylinder to me try a compression test

[Paddy1]

not using oil


s it really bad black smoke ?

[Tim Laycock]

good ews is doesnt sound like the head as the smoke would be white ,black smoke indcates oil contamination in one of the cylinders or worst case senario the turbo could be worn

It most certainly does sound like the head :!:

An oilway through the head gasket being blown into a cylinder is a very likley cause of this smoke!!!

Its only white smoke if a waterway is blown :rolleyes:

Turbo oil seals is a less likely but still possible cause of the smoke

[Paddy1]

sounds like it could have a cracked cylinder to me try a compression test


worst case scenrio yes but if he, has just had the head done they should have done that before anythng . just out of curiousity why was the head done ?

[Tim Laycock]

wasnt quick enough with the reply :oops:

Smoking but not drinking oil is a bit of an enigma! :rolleyes:

[clive]

worst case scenrio yes but if he, has just had the head done they should have done that before anythng . just out of curiousity why was the head done ?
not sure y the ed as bin done bought the car 4-5 weeks ago and its just passed m.o.t

[MickeyDredd]

worst case scenrio yes but if he, has just had the head done they should have done that before anythng . just out of curiousity why was the head done ?

Cos its a 2.4!! :lol:

[Paddy1]

wasnt quick enough with the reply :oops:

Smoking but not drinking oil is a bit of an enigma! :rolleyes:



could just be one of thos dirty deisel thing lol apart rom reconing the whole engine not alot you can do ,
could a number of reasons ie oil rings cracked block pretty much anything

[Paddy1]

not sure y the ed as bin done bought the car 4-5 weeks ago and its just passed m.o.t



emmisions cant be that high then so wouldnt worry about it to much if you are get it to a garage and like k said get it compression tested and do a head test

[clive]

could just be one of thos dirty deisel thing lol apart rom reconing the whole engine not alot you can do ,
could a number of reasons ie oil rings cracked block pretty much anything
not losing any power though
:confused:

[clive]

emmisions cant be that high then so wouldnt worry about it to much if you are get it to a garage and like k said get it compression tested and do a head test
gonna change oil filter and oil and fuel filter tomoz maybe injecters dirty

[Paddy1]

not losing any power though
:confused:


its the aliens then mate apart from running a few test,s on it im a black just keep n eye on the water and oil mate any sign of loss of either then get it to a garage

[clive]

its the aliens then mate apart from running a few test,s on it im a black just keep n eye on the water and oil mate any sign of loss of either then get it to a garage
cheers m8y

[GregMik]

How is the power? Did you loose a bunch? If you have lost power the waste gate could be bad. Or the waste gate controller. When this happens the fuel is getting dumped into the engine but there is not enough air to burn all the fuel so it comes out black.

Greg

[Paddy1]

gonna change oil filter and oil and fuel filter tomoz maybe injecters dirty


when you do the oil change mate look for a metalicy colouring to the oil if their is good luck if it was anything to do with the fueling side it would be white/blue smoke mate

[clive]

How is the power? Did you loose a bunch? If you have lost power the waste gate could be bad. Or the waste gate controller. When this happens the fuel is getting dumped into the engine but there is not enough air to burn all the fuel so it comes out black.

Greg
not losing power m8 at all

[Jiff]

when was the last time the car was serviced? does it run ok apart from the smoke? burning oil is a possible cause, oil can be burned by various means some serious some not so serious, however if you have no idea of the last service, change the air filter fuel filter and fuel pre filter if one is fitted, can you smell oil in the exhaust fumes or pipe, has this just started to happen? try and give me some more details and i'll try and point you in the right direction but without actualy seeing the vehicle it's difficult,

[Paddy1]

when was the last time the car was serviced? does it run ok apart from the smoke? burning oil is a possible cause, oil can be burned by various means some serious some not so serious, however if you have no idea of the last service, change the air filter fuel filter and fuel pre filter if one is fitted, can you smell oil in the exhaust fumes or pipe, has this just started to happen? try and give me some more details and i'll try and point you in the right direction but without actualy seeing the vehicle it's difficult,



its a weird one mate not losing oil or water ,no loss of power either :confused:

[clive]

when was the last time the car was serviced? does it run ok apart from the smoke? burning oil is a possible cause, oil can be burned by various means some serious some not so serious, however if you have no idea of the last service, change the air filter fuel filter and fuel pre filter if one is fitted, can you smell oil in the exhaust fumes or pipe, has this just started to happen? try and give me some more details and i'll try and point you in the right direction but without actualy seeing the vehicle it's difficult,
hi m8 ive change the air filter and im changing all filters and oil tomozwhen rear window open a slight smell of fumes are detected. ad the car 4-5 wks and noticed it wk or so later

[clive]

when you do the oil change mate look for a metalicy colouring to the oil if their is good luck if it was anything to do with the fueling side it would be white/blue smoke mate
nar its defo black smoke m8

[Paddy1]

nar its defo black smoke m8like i say mate check out the colour of the oil tommorow and let us now mate without seeing it and running a few test im pretty stumped mate

[F.Red Tail]

White smoke--- air in your system or water
blue smoke--- oil in the system
black smoke--- deisel in your system mate

sounds like a dirty injector to me mate...... :supz:

[Craigy Boy]

turbos gone mate all diesels smok like s**t when they go

[Paddy1]

turbos gone mate all diesels smok like s**t when they go

cant be no loss of power

[clive]

like i say mate check out the colour of the oil tommorow and let us now mate without seeing it and running a few test im pretty stumped mate
will do m8y thanx

[clive]

turbos gone mate all diesels smok like s**t when they go
no loss of power m8 im horseing it and its doin over 85 .was told to horse it in drive 2 and it wud clear it but no smoke at all in that gear

[F.Red Tail]

my surf blows black smoke when under load but all deisels do as it is un burnt fuel.... could also be a faulty sensor at the rear of your pump which is a denso electronic pump.... can you hear any ticking or knocking coming from your injectors mate??? :supz:

[clive]

my surf blows black smoke when under load but all deisels do as it is un burnt fuel.... could also be a faulty sensor at the rear of your pump which is a denso electronic pump.... can you hear any ticking or knocking coming from your injectors mate??? :supz:
not as far as i no

[F.Red Tail]

dont worry about your turbo passing a little oil mate as long as it is not noisy.. and if it was knacked it wouldnt pull worth a **** mate and if you dont believe me .. next to your air box mounted on the side of it is a sensor for your turbo with a black tube coming from it .. pull the tube off and drive it then you will know how sluggish it is without your turbo lol...... :supz:

[clive]

dont worry about your turbo passing a little oil mate as long as it is not noisy.. and if it was knacked it wouldnt pull worth a **** mate and if you dont believe me .. next to your air box mounted on the side of it is a sensor for your turbo with a black tube coming from it .. pull the tube off and drive it then you will know how sluggish it is without your turbo lol...... :supz:
defo not turbo m8 runs 2 well

[Paddy1]

dont worry about your turbo passing a little oil mate as long as it is not noisy.. and if it was knacked it wouldnt pull worth a **** mate and if you dont believe me .. next to your air box mounted on the side of it is a sensor for your turbo with a black tube coming from it .. pull the tube off and drive it then you will know how sluggish it is without your turbo lol...... :supz:


just thought run some millers through the feul system if it that then it will clear it pretty quick but i dont think its an injector tho

[clive]

just thought run some millers through the feul system if it that then it will clear it pretty quick but i dont think its an injector tho
ok but ive put stop smoke into fuel tank yesterday

[F.Red Tail]

just thought run some millers through the feul system if it that then it will clear it pretty quick but i dont think its an injector tho

i know what your saying mate but if there is a little dirt in one it wont spray the mist of fuel properly and just drip it onto the cylinder which in effect is like flooding (getting too much fuel) so it would burn it out the exhaust as black smoke..... :supz:

[Paddy1]

i know what your saying mate but if there is a little dirt in one it wont spray the mist of fuel properly and just drip it onto the cylinder which in effect is like flooding (getting too much fuel) so it would burn it out the exhaust as black smoke..... :supz:


yes but wouldnt do it constantly only 1st thing in the morning or when left stood for ages as it would burn of the excess deisel pretty quickly nd run like a bag of doo doo as t would be like running on three cylinders if it had a blocked injector

[F.Red Tail]

if you are taking the injectors out .. good luck as they are a real pain in the ass mate .. you will need to strip a few bits off to get to then including your heater plus system :-| :-| .. not funny ... :rolleyes:

[clive]

i know what your saying mate but if there is a little dirt in one it wont spray the mist of fuel properly and just drip it onto the cylinder which in effect is like flooding (getting too much fuel) so it would burn it out the exhaust as black smoke..... :supz:
well i was told that so i need to take injecters out and get pressure checked then or is there a cleaner good enough to do this without takin injecters out

[F.Red Tail]

first of all how BLACK and smoky is it ????

[Paddy1]

well i was told that so i need to take injecters out and get pressure checked then or is there a cleaner good enough to do this without takin injecters out

millers mate run it until nearly empty then put it in and run it for a bit then you will see some smoke if its cloged up

[clive]

first of all how BLACK and smoky is it ????
well when under pressure and goin up hill cars at the back have to back off but its not all the time when turbo is on

[clive]

millers mate run it until nearly empty then put it in and run it for a bit then you will see some smoke if its cloged up
ok m8y

[F.Red Tail]

well when under pressure and goin up hill cars at the back have to back off but its not all the time when turbo is on

right my guess is the smoke is more a grey colour than black... and your turbo is passing a little oil as your turbo has to work harder under load (mine does the same mate).... but hey i could be wrong it has been known lol.... let us know when you find out ... ... take the pipe from your turbo to air filter off and it will have a bit of oil in it no doubt.. :supz:

[clive]

right my guess is the smoke is more a grey colour than black... and your turbo is passing a little oil as your turbo has to work harder under load (mine does the same mate).... but hey i could be wrong it has been known lol.... let us know when you find out ... ... take the pipe from your turbo to air filter off and it will have a bit of oil in it no doubt.. :supz:
cheers m8y will do the pipe thing tomoz

[Paddy1]

cheers m8y will do the pipe thing tomoz


dont run it with the pipe of tho as it will run as lean as hell over heat and the bang bye bye engine

[clive]

dont run it with the pipe of tho as it will run as lean as hell over heat and the bang bye bye engine
rite o pal lol:yawinkle:

[Pogue Mahone]

any sludge stuff on ya oil filler cap or in ya coolent tank

[clive]

any sludge stuff on ya oil filler cap or in ya coolent tank
no m8 checked other day

[Pogue Mahone]

dont think its the head then so thats got to be a big plus probably something small

[mat]

is it an import.if it is try capping the valve that refeeds exhaust emissions it looks like a little flying saucer all jap cars have one to meet the legal requirements out there.its common in mitsubishi.you get a lot of black smoke and some power loss

[clive]

dont think its the head then so thats got to be a big plus probably something small
hoping so

[clive]

is it an import.if it is try capping the valve that refeeds exhaust emissions it looks like a little flying saucer all jap cars have one to meet the legal requirements out there.its common in mitsubishi.you get a lot of black smoke and some power loss
if this is the egr valve then ive already done that pal

[mat]

thats the one mate took me some time to work it out :)

[clive]

thats the one mate took me some time to work it out :)
yer put the ball bearing in it last week its not as bad but i think it cud b better

[Turumti]

Clive,

You might like to post your queries here. There is quite a wealth of information about Toyota diesels on this forum.

http://offroadpakistan.com/forums/viewforum.php?id=8

[MadSpringer]

You may want to look here too!

http://www.yotasurf.co.uk/forums/index.php

Cheers

[North East Harris Hawker]

no contamination, no loss of oil. a clean air filter....this smacks of a dirty fuel filter or a choked sediment bowl.
I had exactly the same fault on my discovery, it smoked like hell when under acceleration. swap the main filter (make sure you either bleed it correctly or fill the filter with clean diesel prior to fitting)
get a bottle of diesel redex in your fuel tank as well for good measure:wink:
start with the simple stuff first i say!