Clover Honey

[Puzo]

Some people use Clover Honey to promote feather growth during the moult. But is there any scientific evidence that it really works? What is the magic ingedient, apart from glucose? Are there any other folk remedies that people have found efficatious to birds of prey?

[GregMik]

Are you talking feather growth or feather molt?

Greg

[Puzo]

Moult! It never occured to me that there was any difference but I see your point.

[Turumti]

I use clover honey mixed with the egg yolk of freeranging hens, and I dip strips of pigeon meat in that batter and give it to my birds. They do seem to drop their feathers faster and push out the new ones quickly.

Here is the recipe: 1/4 teaspoon of clover honey to one egg yolk, add the honey to the yolk whip it well with a fork, put it in strips of pigeon meat 1/4" x 1/4" x 1" (for small birds) and 1/4" x 1/4" x 2" (for large birds). Let the meat soak up the batter for about 30 mins, and then feed your birds.

After the birds have eaten, wash their beaks clean and also clean up any spilt batter from their feathers with a damp tissue.

Young sparrows, desert rats and specially fattened wild caught quail also speed up the moult and improve the quality of the feathers. (The quail are fattened by feeding them grain which has been soaked in unsalted butter).

[GameHawker]

This year I have moulted a friends peregrine for him, his falcon was moulting really well and mine not started a friend mentioned using clover honey with in 3 days of using it she had dropped two sets of primaries and 2 sets of secondaries. She over took my buddy's falcon and is at least 3 weeks a head. that is proof for me sorry no scientific evidence.

Carl

[GregMik]

Look here.....

http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=16362



Greg

[Miguel]

What's clover honey? Just plain honey? :roll:

[Puzo]

The bee hives are put out in clover meadows. The resulting honey is opaque & crystaline similar to heather honey. As oposed to the usual clear golden honey which is usualy blended from various different kinds.

[Miguel]

Hum... now I have to find what a clover is. I'll have to look on a english / portuguese dictionary...

Thanks!! :wink:

[Miguel]

Oh... I got it!! Had a look on babelfish. I'll try to get that honey, for a couple of rehab birds I got, let's see if it works better then thyroid!!

Thanks again

[Puzo]

Hum... now I have to find what a clover is. I'll have to look on a english / portuguese dictionary...

Thanks!! :wink:
It's of the genus trifolium [three leaved] similar to vetch. Once commonly used as a food plant for cattle.

[Roberto Carlos]

Already I saw 2 topics honey and thyroid very interesting
I like to contribute an option even more simply is a homeopathy
any drugstore prepares her the formula is the following one in the mold:

Calcareous phosphoric
calcareous carbonic
selenium
wing concentration 6ch or sixth power
For birds of up to 1 kg three lobes a day

for fractures or strong blows
calcareous phosphoric c
alcareous carbonic
arnica and marigold
equal concentration

I leave the photos of before and after

Regards

[Dave G]

i used honey last year never made any difference to moulting out my hawk still didnt finish till oct and went down for moult feb ???

[Puzo]

i used honey last year never made any difference to moulting out my hawk still didnt finish till oct and went down for moult feb ???

I used it on a female peregrine & it seemed to work wonders. I'll definitely use it again this year on all my birds.

[Hacker]

You can always have it on toast whilst waiting for your bird to moult, that way you will enjoy it whether it works or not.:lol::rolleyes:

[Mary Quite Contrary]

The bee hives are put out in clover meadows. The resulting honey is opaque & crystaline similar to heather honey. As oposed to the usual clear golden honey which is usualy blended from various different kinds.


Clover honey is a naturally set honey. The crystals become set very quick just like Oil seed rape honey. Blended honeys are managed to either stay runny or set. A term called seding is used when making runny honey hard.

Heather does not set and will stay in this state unless it is blended or seeded. HH is the only honey that is thrioxpotic which means it is like non drip gloss paint and will not move until it is strirred but remains unset.

You can use any honey to moult your bird

[Mary Quite Contrary]

Some people use Clover Honey to promote feather growth during the moult. But is there any scientific evidence that it really works? What is the magic ingedient, apart from glucose?

Mainly Frutose in the honey and some glucose

[Goose]

Funny coincidence, I was talking to LSD1 (Les) the other night. He told me about the merits of clover honey, so I went out and bought some. I used it on my GyrxPrairie for the first time yesterday morning....and blow me down ....checked her this morning and there on the floor is is the first secondary.....spooky or what? :mrgreen:

[Roberto Carlos]

the formula is the following one in the mold:

Calcareous phosphoric
calcareous carbonic
selenium
wing concentration 6ch or sixth power
For birds of up to 1 kg three lobes a day

for fractures or strong blows
calcareous phosphoric c
alcareous carbonic
arnica and marigold
equal concentration

I leave the photos of before and after

Regards

Here other photos of a cooper rehabilitates
in 70 days saw change
Regards

[HawkEagle]

Already I saw 2 topics honey and thyroid very interesting
I like to contribute an option even more simply is a homeopathy
any drugstore prepares her the formula is the following one in the mold:

Calcareous phosphoric
calcareous carbonic
selenium
wing concentration 6ch or sixth power
For birds of up to 1 kg three lobes a day

for fractures or strong blows
calcareous phosphoric c
alcareous carbonic
arnica and marigold
equal concentration

I leave the photos of before and after

Regards

Sorry out of topic but what bird is this?

[Puzo]

Sorry out of topic but what bird is this?

Coopers hawk. It looks as if someone's clipped it's wing!

[HawkEagle]

Coopers hawk. It looks as if someone's clipped it's wing!

I am talking about the white one, is that too cooper hawk?

[Roberto Carlos]

Leucopternis albicollis
I do not find the photo of after
already the owner of the bird send my.
A bird difficult to handle, psychotic and without memory,
very fast, size harris or red .super loco:snakeman:.
ultimate challenge

[Kizzy]

hi to you all i have been keeping birds for some years now and only this year decided to trial two birds one using honey and one without, the one without has lost to date three feathers in total, the one with honey has lost fourteen feathers, both birds eat the samefood type and roughly the same quantity not that scientific but a bit of a difference.

[JoHo]

Just a few of my rambling thoughts.

Reason for a 1st year bird feather being weaker than older birds if that they have to grow them all at once, so any nutrients have to be devided to all the feathers.

Reason why a bird only shed a few feathers at a time is so that all the resources can be put to growing that or those few feathers. If your bird drops loads of feathers at once that advantage is lost, hence the natural time scale for moulting birds.


Those who have used honey... how do you find the quality of the feather?

Lastly... and this is neither here nor there.... it is not natural for a bird of prey to eat honey... so how does it affect the rest of the bird???

Like I said just a few rambling thoughts.

Johann

[Stu Bailey]

Never used it, never will...

I just let nature take its corse..

Atb..

[Graham Stuart]

Never used it, never will...

I just let nature take its corse..

Atb..

Same here never felt the need...Graham

[Puzo]

Just a few of my rambling thoughts.

Reason for a 1st year bird feather being weaker than older birds if that they have to grow them all at once, so any nutrients have to be devided to all the feathers.

Reason why a bird only shed a few feathers at a time is so that all the resources can be put to growing that or those few feathers. If your bird drops loads of feathers at once that advantage is lost, hence the natural time scale for moulting birds.


Those who have used honey... how do you find the quality of the feather?

Lastly... and this is neither here nor there.... it is not natural for a bird of prey to eat honey... so how does it affect the rest of the bird???

Like I said just a few rambling thoughts.

Johann

If a bird dropped all it's feathers at once it would, like a duck during eclipse, be unable to fly at all. A hawk needs to be able to replace it's feathers, without impairing it's flying ability

I haven't found feathers moulted whilst using clover honey, to be any different to those grown without using honey.

It's not natural for a hawk to eat copius amounts of day old chicks year round either. But they don't seemto suffer any harm from doing so. It's not as though they're being forced to injest large amounts of honey. Less than a quater of a teaspoon 2 or 3 times per week, smeared onto the food.

[PenelopeP]

Same here regarding the feather quaility. Never noticed any difference, and certainly didnt make them weaker in any way.

Jo