Tree rats

[BrianM]

bout a 3 weeks ago tosca had a go at a tree rat, no kill but she had a bite on her leg , which thankfull just was a loose scale , had her meds , and all was well, till tonight, first day with highly greased anklets on, within the hour shes lost the scale,,, blood ****ing from her , down to the vets we go,, new dressing, but shes out of action again for another 3 weeks,,,,,,,,,,,, touch n go with the meet guys

[Paddy1]

bout a 3 weeks ago tosca had a go at a tree rat, no kill but she had a bite on her leg , which thankfull just was a loose scale , had her meds , and all was well, till tonight, first day with highly greased anklets on, within the hour shes lost the scale,,, blood ****ing from her , down to the vets we go,, new dressing, but shes out of action again for another 3 weeks,,,,,,,,,,,, touch n go with the meet guys



sorry to hear that mate :cry:

[Sprout]

Bit worrying, would have expected an uncomplicated bite to have healed by now. If it was a simple wound that responded to antibiotics then it should have granulated over and healed fine by now, what did the vet say the reason was why it should haemorrhage again

[BrianM]

Bit worrying, would have expected an uncomplicated bite to have healed by now. If it was a simple wound that responded to antibiotics then it should have granulated over and healed fine by now, what did the vet say the reason was why it should haemorrhage again

it had healed over ,, it was kinda like a scab with us,,, ,, reason it burst was ME , too bloody quick with the anklets,, she bated and burst the new scale.. she has a light dressing on it, ive to take it off in the morning, and let it dry out if theres no more bleeding

[Sprout]

it had healed over ,, it was kinda like a scab with us,,, ,, reason it burst was ME , too bloody quick with the anklets,, she bated and burst the new scale

If it had scabbed that suggests it was healing underneath, granulation tissue does bleed well (good sign) but still would have expected it to have healed completely in that time

[BrianM]

bloody annoyed at myself, should have left her another week before taking her up again

[BrianM]

whats the chances of her being ready for a meet in 17 days karl????

[Sprout]

whats the chances of her being ready for a meet in 17 days karl????

Send me a pic. SHould be ok. I prefer to keep these wounds open rather than dress them and apply dermisol daily.

[BrianM]

lights are out for the night , but i will get you 1 tomorrow,,,,,,, thanks carl. i will remove the dressing first thing

[OutFlying]

Send me a pic. SHould be ok. I prefer to keep these wounds open rather than dress them and apply dermisol daily.

Does Fuciderm work the same ?

[Sprout]

lights are out for the night , but i will get you 1 tomorrow,,,,,,, thanks carl. i will remove the dressing first thing

Unless the dressing is granuflex - works well??? But if the bird tolerates dressing changes well then clean it up daily, apply dermisol then re-cover with granuflex

[Sprout]

Does Fuciderm work the same ?

NOooooo, contains steroid that inhibits healing. Birds cannot tolerate topical steroids at all well and even low doses for even short times can cause diabetes.

[OutFlying]

Why would a vet perscribed it for bite wounds then ?

Jim.

[Sprout]

Why would a vet perscribed it for bite wounds then ?

Jim.

Couldn't possibly comment, unless they weren't an avian vet who was unaware of birds susceptibility to diabetes. Some use fuciderm for bumblefoot to reduce inflammation but again has potential other undesirable side effects. Sure it wasn't fucidin??

[OutFlying]

Fuciderm carbomer gel.

[White Sea Eagle]

Woh can you use grunflex on birds too? I know its used regularly to heal wound in humans. Have to admit very good dressings hydrocolloids.

[BrianM]

for karl (sprout) its granulated over very well and is dry and cool to the touch

[Sprout]

Difficult to tell, give me a few more beers and the pictures might come more into focus:wink: ;)
Looking good, so long as there is no heat, the anti-biotics have cleared any infection and there is a healthy looking scab it should heal fine underneath.

[BrianM]

its not easy holding a bird with one had and taking picks with a ****e 10quid camera ,, lol but thanks karl,,, i know its selfish of me but id hate to miss my meet in a fortnight coz of it ,,, i will leave her anklets till the last moment ???

thanks karl

[Sprout]

You could also temporarily use extra wide anklets for the meet so there is less chance of rubbing up/down and removing the scab, removing the anklets when back home and free lofted again.

[BrianM]

will do ,, thanks

[Yeoman]

couple of years ago my gos got bit by one of thease by accident i choose not to hunt them. only a small nip but it lost me half a season .neil forbes prescribed marbocyl tablets antimicrobial they did the trick good luck
kev

[BrianM]

ive heard , vet wound powder is good for drying out cuts etc,,, whats your thoughts karl

[Mr_Colin]

couple of years ago my gos got bit by one of thease by accident i choose not to hunt them. only a small nip but it lost me half a season .neil forbes prescribed marbocyl tablets antimicrobial they did the trick good luck
kev

Same stuff my HH was one and out again after a couple of weeks rest. Although it was on the toe so no anklet to reopen the wound.

Hope all goes well Brian and we see you both in scotland. We can compare scars:lol:

[young falconer]

sorry to hear bout dat mate but as i can see its looks like its on the mend good luck m8 :supz:

[Sprout]

ive heard , vet wound powder is good for drying out cuts etc,,, whats your thoughts karl

Hate powders, prefer to keep the wound clean and fresh, if open infection can come out rather than be sealed in by powders. A dry wound isn't necessarily a healthy wound - an open wound heals by granulation, a very vascular layer that wants to be moist, that eventually is re-organised into scar tissue (this often occurs underneaths a scab).

[Tim Laycock]

I ran one over today, the wife nearly cried.
I couldnt stop laughing, that made it worse :lol:

[Sprout]

I ran one over today, the wife nearly cried.
I couldnt stop laughing, that made it worse :lol:

Years ago my best mate wrote his car off swerving to hit one!!!! That was funny

[Tim Laycock]

I only swerved a little to get it :supz:

The guy in front tried to miss it but clipped it anyway, as it was picking itself up I steamed in and did the job right :twisted:

[LSD1]

ive heard , vet wound powder is good for drying out cuts etc,,, whats your thoughts karl
hi ya i have used this powder not on bop but on my racing pigeonswhen they have hit wires and cut themselfs from front to back take a slice of their breast bone off and it done the trick with them so it should do it with bop too
:supz: :cool: :cool: :cool:

[Sprout]

hi ya i have used this powder not on bop but on my racing pigeonswhen they have hit wires and cut themselfs from front to back take a slice of their breast bone off and it done the trick with them so it should do it with bop too
:supz: :cool: :cool: :cool:

I personally find pigoens a completely different kettle of fish to raptors. First of all pigeon keepers tend to use all sorts of "prophylactic" antibiotics, antifungals, antiparasite, etc etc so any injury is already covered before it gets it!! Raptors tend to be cared for more on a one-to-one basis rather than a flock so individual wounds can be managed more selectively rather than covering it with wound powder then sticking it back with the rets of the flock. Not saying you do this LSD1 but just my take. I still don;t like wound powders, if it got better with it, it would have also got better without it!! I find powders only hinder the healing rather than promote it, although they can be ok to stem haemorrhage in an emergency situation.

[LSD1]

I personally find pigoens a completely different kettle of fish to raptors. First of all pigeon keepers tend to use all sorts of "prophylactic" antibiotics, antifungals, antiparasite, etc etc so any injury is already covered before it gets it!! Raptors tend to be cared for more on a one-to-one basis rather than a flock so individual wounds can be managed more selectively rather than covering it with wound powder then sticking it back with the rets of the flock. Not saying you do this LSD1 but just my take. I still don;t like wound powders, if it got better with it, it would have also got better without it!! I find powders only hinder the healing rather than promote it, although they can be ok to stem haemorrhage in an emergency situation.i know what your saying i myself do put the pigeon in a box on its own and some times after they have had about two days of the powder then i clean it up and where the skin has started to die i trim it off and if needed i stich it up i know some people just dispose of them but i have to give them a chance. I know its diffent for bop and im alway open and willing to learn more from other people as they may know more then myself
on the bop side of things:cool: :cool: :supz:

[Yeoman]

is the powder you use called cykatrin probably spelt it wrong