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Bird_Dog
27-11-2006, 03:28 PM
Take a look at the xray of tiercel's leg. The duck (hen gadwall) was killed instantly - An explosion of guts and blood. The blow knocked out my bird. Thank God, he didn't hit one of the mallards instead - It would of killed him. It makes me wonder if we're putting our birds at risk by training them to fly high:(.

-- BIRD_DOG




Scooter
27-11-2006, 03:31 PM
sh88 man that looks like it hit with some impact.......hope he is ok

Agent D.
27-11-2006, 03:33 PM
dunno, if it helps there is a harris i knew that had a fracture there, vet put a bar down the length of the bone, pinned it, till it all fixed itself and it was fine 2-3 months later. infact the vet said it would be stronger then the other leg.......
so infact what a great argument for flying your bird even higher!!
interesting pics.

ChakChek
27-11-2006, 03:35 PM
**** me!! thats a nasty looking break!

all the best for you and your bird!

Pogger
27-11-2006, 03:36 PM
I sometimes wonder what the point of amazingly hugh pitches is. Espically if it increases the risk of a very dead or badly injured bird. Yes I know that if you hunt with a bird you take risks but you've got to draw the line somewhere.

I really hope your bird recovers well. I feel for you.

PaulWar3
27-11-2006, 03:44 PM
sure you were'nt hunting rhinos.
That looks a real nasty break.
Hope he makes a full recovery
best wishes

Paul

LongVVing
27-11-2006, 04:17 PM
**** that looks like a nasty break, the bone seems to have broken then split the lower part of the bone like an axe.
Did your vet say it was repairable - easy or hard?

I have a female who was strikes so hard I do worry about leg damage even with a lure. I always try a throw up when she catches to minimise the impact but dont have this control over live quarry.

At present shes only been up around the 100-200 feet mark.

I hope your bird fully recovers,

all the best,

Mark

Puzo
27-11-2006, 04:36 PM
That looks nasty the bone looks to be splintered in two. I hope it can be repaired. Let us know how he gets on.

Tim Laycock
27-11-2006, 04:41 PM
Food for thought BD 8-)

Hope he heals well and fast :yawinkle:

MitchellBrad
27-11-2006, 04:53 PM
Take a look at the xray of tiercel's leg. The duck (hen gadwall) was killed instantly - An explosion of guts and blood. The blow knocked out my bird. Thank God, he didn't hit one of the mallards instead - It would of killed him. It makes me wonder if we're putting our birds at risk by training them to fly high:(.

-- BIRD_DOG

I'm sorry that happened. Hope he heals well. Did you take him to Greg M? One of my birds hit a wire last year. She can be used as a breeder but will never be flown again.

In my opinion and take it for what it's worth. He made a mistake. It happens in the wild and it happens in captivity. I've seen youngsters stoop from high pitches and actually fly by the intended quarry. The only thing I can think is they were going too fast and pulled out instead of slowing down like they should have.

Again, I hope this has a happy ending.

Brad

sokol
27-11-2006, 05:03 PM
Poor bird and poor falconer!

I think to both of them!

Was the bird an eyas or a moulted one?

We often see some more agressivity with the youngs. They seems to find the limits of their capacities. Next seasons, they know how and what to hit!

Anyway, your problem is not finish but it would not take such a long time to recover.

I had one bird with a broken leg, we put a pin in and one month later she was perfect. She was a really good crow bird, and she still is!

Bird_Dog
27-11-2006, 06:38 PM
This was my oldest bird - seven-times intermewed. He spent the last two years on a breeder loan in Montana. His performance was just as good as before. On his first flight after the hiatus, he knocked down two blue-winged teal in one stoop. Brad ...Greg M. pinned it the best it could considering it was splintered into three pieces. He had internal bleeding as well, but the prognosis is good. To be perfect it might need a second surgery. I plan on pairing him with a female anatum and wanted to give him some flying time early in the season then put him up early for breeding. I have started peregrine tiercel to fly and a real nice gyr x Peregrine tiercel, too.

-- BIRD_DOG

MitchellBrad
27-11-2006, 06:58 PM
This was my oldest bird - seven-times intermewed. He spent the last two years on a breeder loan in Montana. His performance was just as good as before. On his first flight after the hiatus, he knocked down two blue-winged teal in one stoop. Brad ...Greg M. pinned it the best it could considering it was splintered into three pieces. He had internal bleeding as well, but the prognosis is good. To be perfect it might need a second surgery. I plan on pairing him with a female anatum and wanted to give him some flying time early in the season then put him up early for breeding. I have started peregrine tiercel to fly and a real nice gyr x Peregrine tiercel, too.

-- BIRD_DOG

Greg's a good vet, I now wish I'd sent Purdey to him. Either him or Tim. I do wish the bird a speedy recovery, at least he's in good hands.

You must have sent him to Kirk.

I had a tiercel peales do that well over a decade ago. He healed up and was a lousy breeder so I passed him on. His problem was he simply misjudged the quarry. I don't think he was 500' when it happened. I've also seen an intermewed passage prairie auger into the ground. We thought she'd broken her neck, she was stunned. That was only from a few hundred feet.

Good luck with the bird.

Brad

Mark Collins
27-11-2006, 07:21 PM
Take a look at the xray of tiercel's leg. The duck (hen gadwall) was killed instantly - An explosion of guts and blood. The blow knocked out my bird. Thank God, he didn't hit one of the mallards instead - It would of killed him. It makes me wonder if we're putting our birds at risk by training them to fly high:(.

-- BIRD_DOG

Hi bird dog thats one hell of a break, hope it mends ok, a female peregrine of mine a few years ago hit a rabbit fence chasing a partridge ,she missed it and when she came in he had a leg trailing, luckily a visit to the vets found it was a bad knock rather than a brake, after a 2 week rest she was back flying again , anyway best of luck hope he makes a speedy recovery, mark.

Sokoly
28-11-2006, 08:22 AM
I hope your bird will heal soon mate.This things happen and there is nothing we as falconers can do about it. It's on the part of falcons judgement of speed,break and hitting power.Sometimes even they might be wrong.
Wish a quick recovery to the bird.
Sokoly

Sprout
28-11-2006, 08:30 AM
dunno, if it helps there is a harris i knew that had a fracture there, vet put a bar down the length of the bone, pinned it, till it all fixed itself and it was fine 2-3 months later. infact the vet said it would be stronger then the other leg.......
so infact what a great argument for flying your bird even higher!!
interesting pics.

Unfortunately it is all too common in HH - being tethered too long!!!!

GaryPCO
28-11-2006, 08:53 AM
wish him all the best m8,just think nows the time to go to the goverment,i can see it now the six billion dollar longwing hel bust the hell outta ducks for fun and who knows you might even get a tv series or two from it!!!:supz:

good luck with him dude!!!;)