my pere/saker falcon

[Grovsey]

i have been flying her at 2-2 top weight is 2-8 ,at her flying weight i can get easy 20 stoops on the lure,now then when i am out hunting her on covids i get out off the van ,strike the braces and as soon as she see's the crows she tightens up great and off she goes but once she gets about 40yrds away she seems to give up and turn round to come back to me.is she becoming lure bound or could it be a weight issue with her.if she is becoming lure bound how can i stop her from doing this.she is in her 3rd season guys
cheers
ian

[Grey_Squirrel_Hawker]

as is my understanding (as ive asked if it can be done) a bird will make a good lure bird or a good hunting bird, its difficult to get a bird to do both.

bring her weight down a wee bit and if you have access to a larson trap, feed her on a fresh warm crow

[Jack]

[QUOTE=Grovsey;420154]i have been flying her at 2-2 top weight is 2-8 ,at her flying weight i can get easy 20 stoops on the lure,now then when i am out hunting her on covids i get out off the van ,strike the braces and as soon as she see's the crows she tightens up great and off she goes but once she gets about 40yrds away she seems to give up and turn round to come back to me.is she becoming lure bound or could it be a weight issue with her.if she is becoming lure bound how can i stop her from doing this.she is in her 3rd season guys
cheers
ian]

An imprint will lie to you. they will tell you they are ready when they are not. I feel that she is probably a bit too high yet. Not much, but just enough to allow her to become intimidated by the Corvids. Crows I am assuming? Anyway, they are large birds, and in a group they make all sorts of noise and posturing, and this can very easily intimidate a falcon. You might try by easing her weight on down until she either commits to them or she shows to have become weakened by it. I don't think that is the case however. Just don't start starving her down, just short feed her until she drops about 10 grams and see from there. If she shows to be more into it, you might need to drop her another 10 grams. If you do it that way you will not injure her.

Jack

[Agent D.]

i'm assuming an imprint?

[Agent D.]

what if anything does she get on the lure when she comes back? do you fly her again or end session?

[Grovsey]

i'm assuming an imprint?

she is a pr

[Grovsey]

what if anything does she get on the lure when she comes back? do you fly her again or end session?

i have mainly ended the season i am new to falcons so advise taken guys

[Agent D.]

one thing that may work coinsided with a reduction in weight...

when she comes back bring her in to an empty lure (or minimal food on it ie chick leg) the only pick her up for minimal food if any. hood up give it half an hour or so. then try and slip again.
- seems as though the falcon is being rewarded for flying out turning round and commming back. and is seemingly very good at it.:D
i think you need to break this sequence up, so she gets her reward for catching or if she is unlucky on the lure for a belting chase.
so slight reduction in weight to up appetite and fix her on the black stuff, it sounds as though she is half there and knows to chase them. stop rewarding her for giving up and comming back, hood her up for pathetic efforts and try again later.

alternatively work on confidence boosting training. tweaked rook on string etc let her belt it and feed well off it. make sure she realises that this is the only way to get food, if she doesn't go for the rook- no food given. try and phase out swung lure work and only use it as a recall?
have a play for a few days and keep us posted. all the best dave.

[MattSpar]

You say this is her third season.

What happened in the other two?

[Grovsey]

You say this is her third season.

What happened in the other two?

i have only had her 4 months the lad who had her before me said she was amazing on crow and flew her at no higher than 2-0,that seems a lot off a bird that is 2-8 fat ,so i started her off as a new bird ect

[Grovsey]

one thing that may work coinsided with a reduction in weight...

when she comes back bring her in to an empty lure (or minimal food on it ie chick leg) the only pick her up for minimal food if any. hood up give it half an hour or so. then try and slip again.
- seems as though the falcon is being rewarded for flying out turning round and commming back. and is seemingly very good at it.:D
i think you need to break this sequence up, so she gets her reward for catching or if she is unlucky on the lure for a belting chase.
so slight reduction in weight to up appetite and fix her on the black stuff, it sounds as though she is half there and knows to chase them. stop rewarding her for giving up and comming back, hood her up for pathetic efforts and try again later.

alternatively work on confidence boosting training. tweaked rook on string etc let her belt it and feed well off it. make sure she realises that this is the only way to get food, if she doesn't go for the rook- no food given. try and phase out swung lure work and only use it as a recall?
have a play for a few days and keep us posted. all the best dave.

makes alot off sence m8 will do and will let you know
regards
ian

[Hacker]

Why are you flying her at 2.2 when the guy you got her from said 2.0 was her optimum killing weight?
That is approx 9.5% heavier than she has been killing at!

[MattSpar]

If what you say is correct, then she can't be too low. That's IF, mind you. It's dangerous for anyone on the forum just to say, "She's too high. Drop her weight," without having seen her. Only you can decide which way she should go.

My own peregrine/saker takes rooks, crows and herring gulls well, but she has to be flown decidedly keen.

[Grovsey]

Why are you flying her at 2.2 when the guy you got her from said 2.0 was her optimum killing weight?
That is approx 9.5% heavier than she has been killing at!

am i not right in thinking that you should fly your bird as heavy as poss as long as she is chasing and killing.i know she is not bang on yet but shouldn't it be a case off take the weight off slowly as she may fly at a different weight this season,plus i dont know the guy personnally and she may not be telling tails ect,he said he flew her from 1-12 to 2-0 now with a top weight off 2-8 that one hell off a drop to 1-12 you not think

[Hacker]

My perexsakers fat weight was 2lb 7ozs and she was flying at 1lb 14ozs at start of season and now she is back into the swing of things she is up to around the 1lb 15 1/2 to 2lb mark and she is killing like an exocet missile.
Any higher and she just has a look around, finds a target but does not commit even if she gives chase.
Motivation!

[Eznugud]

Personally I would stop giving her slips at crows for at least 7 to 10 days and get her stooping hard to the lure.
Before I give my falcon a slip at a crow it needs to be doing a hell of a lot more that 20 stoops, I have my falcons doing 100+ stoops in 3 or 4 bouts per training session before I even think about showing them a crow.
{they don’t get a lot of down time between bouts, 3 or 4 mins max}

If your 100% sure that her top weight is 2-8 taking her down to 2-0 if not going to hurt her.
From what you have said she is doing I would say it’s a mix of fitness and weight and only you can find that balance, you have the advantage of knowing what she killed crows at last season {would he have any reason to lie about it?} so all you need to work on his the fitness.

[Agent D.]

am i not right in thinking that you should fly your bird as heavy as poss as long as she is chasing and killing.i know she is not bang on yet but shouldn't it be a case off take the weight off slowly as she may fly at a different weight this season,plus i dont know the guy personnally and she may not be telling tails ect,he said he flew her from 1-12 to 2-0 now with a top weight off 2-8 that one hell off a drop to 1-12 you not think

might come as a bit of a head fk for you but i'd say get all this weight nonsence out of you head. clear brain of last years\this years\oh but she's had a moult nonsence\ all the he said she said bulshy.
right.
you've got the bird flying and respondant to lure so you can get it back. therefore you must know what amount of food puts your bird over (holds her steady for flying same time next day)
right. start training;
what do you want it to do? chase rooks, present dead rook in field at 15 yrds, tweaked on a string, preped at the weight of food thatputs bird over. if it nails it let it eat all food on the rook small step up and end session.
if it is too slow out of hood\ arses about feed 1/4 of put over and end session.
day2. same; hopefully it'll be nailing rook, same senario, same options for the falcon.
day 3. same again, till its absolutely nailing the lure\rook.
day 4. when its 100% out of hood and nailing rook get weight from bird and try and hold this weight for a god slip.
day 5 slip. reward on the falcons merits if it kills stuff it and give it a day\2 off. if it chases well and is unlucky recall and feed a bit extra. try again tomorrow. but keep as near to the out the hood and 100% nails the lure weight. and you should have success within a few days. if not feed up on a good session then start again???
will probably get slated for this but it works to get them going.
what i'm trying to say is stop wondering why the hawk isn't going for it on last season\suggested weights. train it then find its weight.
best o lck