Flying a Gyr/Merlin

[Gyr]

Can anybody give me advice on flying this hybrid as I hope to be flying a male next season

[Mark Collins]

Can anybody give me advice on flying this hybrid as I hope to be flying a male next season

Hi gyr, flew a cast, good few seasons ago , 2 females , lovely birds very fast , check is a big problem what part of the country are you ? i took them on quite late in the year , got them loose , stooped them to a small gull lure , then kited them up 2 about a 1000 ft , got them really fit ready for entering at blackheaded gulls hopefully, 1 went down with cocci, this set me back a bit carried on with the single , the problem i had was entering , anything flying is fair game to these falcons they really are that quick , every time i slipped at gulls if there was a pigeon in site she would chase it , caught 5 over about 10 days , the other bird i lost of the kite , brand new transmiter never saw her again , with careful entering they would be awesome , but like i say check is a big factor, the breeder of these birds had good success with this hybred at gulls but would catch pigeons in between gulls, if you have no check brilliant but if you have a big woodpigeon population it could be trouble, one of mine was slipped at gulls, she took them on went up with them a feral pigeon went past she switched and caught it easy further down the valley , picked her up of it before she could brake in , no reward gave her 30 mins to calm down , i took 20, then slipped her again , same bloody thing happend again, real shame as its a super hybred , and at gulls they would excell its keeping them on them and being completly focused, give it a go it ,was a real learning curve for me , good luck , mark.

[Merger]

Hi , Ive flown a female for 5 seasons, called, Merger, primarily on partrigde, but quite a few wood pigeons were also taken, and truthfully this was by far the best flying spectacle, she take them in passage flight , overhall them in seconds, and quickly drive them into woodland cover wich I would then track her back, superb sport, an old falconer, now dead, Charles Hawkins fisher, lived just up the road from me now, and apparently used to fly pigeon only, with his tircels, nowdays there simply check, but any falconer on here may only admitt to themselves,, that any bird, falcon, chasing any pigeon, is always a great visual spectacle!! sadly its just how far the flight ends up, that prevents it from a falconry flights point of view,, I would assume that most gyrlins, would fly down the pigeon very early on, you need to keep these little guys interested,from very early on, they have the attention span, of a knat! hence copious ammounts of partridge for mine, never lost her, for more than twenty mins, for five years!!!Just be aware of cocciodosis, and aspergilus, as these guys suffer from both, but build up immunety, with age......

[Dave Whitt]

Excellent little falcons, I have imprinted a tiercel this year bred by Mick Cane, kite trained him, he now waits on at between 800 and 1000 feet he climb`es faster than any falcon I have ever seen, I entered him on Partridge which he is very sucsessfull at he completley ignores check, which is actually proving to be a problem as I have tried him on magpies and he ignores them however he will stoop Lark, Snipe and other small birds well worth flying.

[Merger]

Hi dave, yep on wedding my gyrlin, to partridge, she really wouldnt fly anything else, unless it was weak, and had an uncanny way of knowing this, but this is a cross between the two most quick thinking falcons in the world i suppose!! mine very rarely waited on on , all direct pursuit, and very very fast! I did however over 5 seasons, come to realise that she was a bit of an overkill, as a hybred, and found it difficult to produce a sporting flight!! ,, if this makes sence,, sort of a reason to hybridise,, and a reason to not!!!! the wood pigeon flights were very spectacular, another chance , I would take off my purist head! and manufacture flights on pigeons, with a purpose....

[Gyr]

Great advice, thanks all, much appreciated. Was a little bit worried about this hybrid as I have flown a female perlin for three years and had some good sport, but obviously the gyr/merlin is a different ball game altogether but sounds very exciting, can't wait to get started. I live in the Vale of Glamorgan and have mixed quarry, such as magpie, jackdaws, pidgeon and some partridge. The area is fairly open with some good deep valleys which afforded good sport with the perlin and hopefully the gyr/merlin will prove the same. The perlin was easy to mann and train and became fit very quickly. How does the gyr/merlin compare in this way?

[Merger]

Mine was a hissing, spitting ball of fury,,, for three days!!! then ate, and become the complete opposite!! was flying free very quickly, a male or female should be mint at magpies! I fly mainly on keepered ground, no maggis here! jackdaws also, I would if I were you, or had my chance again, fly as many varied quarry as soon as possiable, rather than wed it, I like wed birds but this is one hybrid that has so much to show! that there wasted if you only fly them at one quarry,, because they get so, so good at it..

[Richard]

Has anyone got any pictures of their birds?

What sort of weights are the males and females flying at?

[Gyr]

Mine was a hissing, spitting ball of fury,,, for three days!!! then ate, and become the complete opposite!! was flying free very quickly, a male or female should be mint at magpies! I fly mainly on keepered ground, no maggis here! jackdaws also, I would if I were you, or had my chance again, fly as many varied quarry as soon as possiable, rather than wed it, I like wed birds but this is one hybrid that has so much to show! that there wasted if you only fly them at one quarry,, because they get so, so good at it..

Thanks merger, What would you consider the smallest quarry to fly? These hibrids really sound the business

[Merger]

Never had the male I had long enough to find out so cant really comment, on a male,my female was to big for blackbirds, snipe, larks, never tried starling! but tried the other three, as I said I can only comment on what I know, some others may know more..

[Gyr]

Has anyone got any pictures of their birds?

What sort of weights are the males and females flying at?


Hi Tistel, Have been told that the males fly between 12 & 14 oz and females 1 lb,2oz to 1lb, 3oz approx! that is the info i'vebeen given so far.

[Gyr]

Never had the male I had long enough to find out so cant really comment, on a male,my female was to big for blackbirds, snipe, larks, never tried starling! but tried the other three, as I said I can only comment on what I know, some others may know more..


Thanks mate, great info. Cant wait to try this little falcon!!!

[Dave Whitt]

Male weight 385g

[Dave Whitt]

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[Gyr]

And another

Cheers Dave, great pics, nice looking falcon.

[Dave Whitt]

Hi dave, yep on wedding my gyrlin, to partridge, she really wouldnt fly anything else, unless it was weak, and had an uncanny way of knowing this, but this is a cross between the two most quick thinking falcons in the world i suppose!! mine very rarely waited on on , all direct pursuit, and very very fast! I did however over 5 seasons, come to realise that she was a bit of an overkill, as a hybred, and found it difficult to produce a sporting flight!! ,, if this makes sence,, sort of a reason to hybridise,, and a reason to not!!!! the wood pigeon flights were very spectacular, another chance , I would take off my purist head! and manufacture flights on pigeons, with a purpose....

I`v had a similar problem with mine he finds partridge so easy to catch, he does not seem to put in any effort for anything else, if he stoops larks or snipe and misses he gives up then after two or three misses he just does`nt bother stooping at them, however he is still in his first season and I will correct this minor fault early next season.

[Merger]

There were a few pics of my female on here, on birds for sale, a few months back, dont know if there still around, I cant post them again, may be a couple on my old website, ancient-art-falconry.co.uk in mature plumage.In immature, she looked exactly the same as Daves male! but got whiter every year..

[Gyr]

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Hi dave,
can you say who the breeder of the bird you posted on the site was?

[SakerYZF]

Mark you say you flew at gulls?! Only the smaller black heads? I'd be a little wary of their small size and herring gulls? plus i'd imagine it would be a walk over for them?

Who breeds them , i didn't think it was an easy hybird to produce?

I was offerd a Gyr/pere/merlin a few months back for £250, supposed to be dynamite on jackdaws, wish i'd said yes now!

Chris.

[Merger]

Mark you say you flew at gulls?! Only the smaller black heads? I'd be a little wary of their small size and herring gulls? plus i'd imagine it would be a walk over for them?

Who breeds them , i didn't think it was an easy hybird to produce?

I was offerd a Gyr/pere/merlin a few months back for £250, supposed to be dynamite on jackdaws, wish i'd said yes now!

Chris.You should of bit his hand off, I have seen one of these fly,just amazing!!!

[SakerYZF]

***** ... i knew it , the second i walked away i'd live to regreat it .

They sound ideal for our area , very few pigeons and huge amounts of jackdaws and magpies.

Price wise im guessing they ain't cheep though?

[Dave Whitt]

Hi dave,
can you say who the breeder of the bird you posted on the site was?

Mick Kane (AKA Billy Casper)
www.mjraptors.co.uk

[Peregrine1]

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Cracking pics!!
Regards
Colin

[NICKYC]

about time you bred these colin

[Peregrine1]

about time you bred these colin

I thought about it last season. And to be honest heard varying reports about them. And I was heavily booked up for Perlins for last season, and again already for 2007. But I will have a go at a few this season if the Merlin's produce a few eggs.
Regards
Colin

[Cyclone]

whats the prices for these birds just out of interest?
cheers cyclone

[Mark Collins]

Hi , you may have seen my thread about gyr,merlins, there was some discussion about flying them at pigeons as check could be a problem, i once flew a perlin this way , she started waiting on but wasnt very patient , caught 2 thrushes and a couple of small birds , seem to be going well and then one day i flushed a young woodpigeon and she flew it down and caught it , after this if i didnt flush for her she would chase pigeons in the distance , i am out every day and as i have to beet formyself this became a problem , so i started flying her at pigeons[wood], i live in very open country and would try to get above them feeding on big rape fields , as i walked towards them and they got up she would give chase a combination of stooping and tailchasing, if she got her foot to one she would put the burners on and fly it down , the pigeons nearly always went for cover, it really is great fun and very exiting she would follow into the thickest cover and i started wearing real thick camo,trousers to crawl in and retrieve her, she had 100 in her 1st season , also killing 10 partridges, a jackdow, and a weasol of all things , i once had 10 kills in a week, this may sound excessive but once they get going they are so aggressive , but its not without its problems , she got very good at it and if she didnt kill the bird you slipped her at she would go over the next hill and kill , towards the end i was tracking her after every slip and it began to loose its appeal , i passed her on to a guy that wanted to fly her in a cast , last time i spoke to him she had caught a woody and a fieldfare , they are super birds but if flown in this way you have got to have open country , cheers , mark.

[Pete Smith]

Hi Mark,
I had similar issues when flying a female Perlin [imprint] at a whole range of stuff including Pigeons....Pigeons are bad news in the long run. You will create a "very" confident falcon, the problem is recovering her from Pigeon lofts, outside toilets, work shops....and a whole load of other "unusual places". This bird was kite trained but lacked the control I was after. The male Barbary I trained this year was subjected to a new Kite training program and has prooved to be totally relaible and focused, is only going to 400-500ft at present, will work on bigger pitch for start of next season. I have a book out next season which has an extensive section on kite training and getting the best from these "Micro-falcons"

All the best Pete.

[TiercelJim]

hi pete,what quarry are you taking with your barbary?
jim

[Black Hawk]

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:prayer: hes beutiful!

[Black Hawk]

what would be a full list of what these birds catch, please

[Black Hawk]

hi im only putting a reply on here sos it will get to top of recent list and someone will answer it. im qwite hopeful some one can help...

[OutFlying]

Male gyr/merlin

[Black Hawk]

theyre all gr8

[Pete Smith]

Hi Jim,
He's had a few Greys, have recently have switched to Snipe...had a few strong flights but none in the bag yet.
Pete.

[TiercelJim]

hi pete what method do you use for snipe and whens your book coming out?.
Atb,jim

[Mark Collins]

Mark you say you flew at gulls?! Only the smaller black heads? I'd be a little wary of their small size and herring gulls? plus i'd imagine it would be a walk over for them?

Who breeds them , i didn't think it was an easy hybird to produce?

I was offerd a Gyr/pere/merlin a few months back for £250, supposed to be dynamite on jackdaws, wish i'd said yes now!

Chris.

Hi , saker yzf, herring gulls are much to big , blackheaded are ideal , john edwards bred the birds i had this was about 5 yrs ago, john caught quite a few but like i said in a recent thread check is a big problem , i had to much check were i fly as its all arable and with a falcon thats not focused its a recipe for disaster, this was before i started on the landfill site and gulls became readily available , its a shame i didnt have them after i started on the landfill,things may have worked out a lot differant, cheers , mark.

[Pete Smith]

Hi Jim,
The books out May 2007...[All being well], ref the Snipe no miracle approach. Best on calmer days, a slow cautious dog helps, as does a decent pitch and perfect position. Basically most successful flights I've seen have had the Snipe taken easily on the re-flush...once they bail the re-flush is pretty weak providing a easier target. Getting them to bail takes some doing though, I guess that's part of the attraction.
Pete.

[Gyr]

whats the prices for these birds just out of interest?
cheers cyclone

I have been quoted £800 for male and £1200 for a female

[Gyr]

hi im only putting a reply on here sos it will get to top of recent list and someone will answer it. im qwite hopeful some one can help...

Look at previous replies for a full list of what they are capable of. I am hoping to fly at magpie, jackdaw, partridge and maybe snipe in this area.

[Perlin]

Hi Jim,
The books out May 2007...[All being well], ref the Snipe no miracle approach. Best on calmer days, a slow cautious dog helps, as does a decent pitch and perfect position. Basically most successful flights I've seen have had the Snipe taken easily on the re-flush...once they bail the re-flush is pretty weak providing a easier target. Getting them to bail takes some doing though, I guess that's part of the attraction.
Pete.I fly snipe all the time,on the moores of lancashire,with male perlin,as for saying on the re flush snipe are easely taken I think you are talking about JACKSNIPE.JACKS are protected,but the perlin does not know this.I have had a few common its not easy,but its one of the best forms of falconry.cheers ,forgot to mention,I use abrittany pointer with the perlin.You are right on wot you say about pitch and position of the falcon,and having asteady dog.My bird as flown common many a time from good pitch,and if it misses on the stoop,the common snipe is up up and away with the falcon after it,going to great heights and distance,infact they are just dots in the sky,having to watch with binos,never once seeing a common snipe show its arse,ecuse me for my french.Its my falcon that calls it a loss in the end,and my bird is fit ,and as plenty of bottle.jacks adifferent ball game.cheers

[StoopDoggyDogg]

Hi
I agree with you about the jackies they are dead easy to catch and put in readily. Personally i never reflushed commons deliberately unless my bird was back up to its original pitch when it first stooped. Otherwise i think you are training your bird that it gets success at lower heights which is a big problem because they can catch them in level flight unless the snipe starts gaining height then it will beat the perlin every time.
Last season i saw a friends perlin catch on occasions common snipe from less than 100 feet pitches by doing a mini stoop behind the snipe then pumping hard after it and binding to it in the air. I've also seen it do the same at partridge, it seems to accelerate after the initial stoop??
Interestingly of the 4 good perlins that ive seen regulary fly over a few seasons this bird is the lowest flying by far and is the only one which i have seen bind to common snipe in level flight, i dont mean a bind at the bottom of the stoop, this bird chases them round and round then binds. More interestingly this is the only kite trained perlin of the four and it was kited extensively to 1500feet up until christmas in its first season. Maybe the kite training had made it that powerful that it has learnt through real hunting situations and success that it doesn't need a good pitch ?????? My perlin in his second season was making upwards of 500feet pitches and would pull off a snipe very quickly if he didn't make contact with it or unless he was right up its arse and forced it in cover, as far as i can remember he only ever bound to one common and that was at the very bottom of a stoop.

Have you seen many snipe this year ???


Steve






I fly snipe all the time,on the moores of lancashire,with male perlin,as for saying on the re flush snipe are easely taken I think you are talking about JACKSNIPE.JACKS are protected,but the perlin does not know this.I have had a few common its not easy,but its one of the best forms of falconry.cheers ,forgot to mention,I use abrittany pointer with the perlin.You are right on wot you say about pitch and position of the falcon,and having asteady dog.My bird as flown common many a time from good pitch,and if it misses on the stoop,the common snipe is up up and away with the falcon after it,going to great heights and distance,infact they are just dots in the sky,having to watch with binos,never once seeing a common snipe show its arse,ecuse me for my french.Its my falcon that calls it a loss in the end,and my bird is fit ,and as plenty of bottle.jacks adifferent ball game.cheers

[Perlin]

Hi
I agree with you about the jackies they are dead easy to catch and put in readily. Personally i never reflushed commons deliberately unless my bird was back up to its original pitch when it first stooped. Otherwise i think you are training your bird that it gets success at lower heights which is a big problem because they can catch them in level flight unless the snipe starts gaining height then it will beat the perlin every time.
Last season i saw a friends perlin catch on occasions common snipe from less than 100 feet pitches by doing a mini stoop behind the snipe then pumping hard after it and binding to it in the air. I've also seen it do the same at partridge, it seems to accelerate after the initial stoop??
Interestingly of the 4 good perlins that ive seen regulary fly over a few seasons this bird is the lowest flying by far and is the only one which i have seen bind to common snipe in level flight, i dont mean a bind at the bottom of the stoop, this bird chases them round and round then binds. More interestingly this is the only kite trained perlin of the four and it was kited extensively to 1500feet up until christmas in its first season. Maybe the kite training had made it that powerful that it has learnt through real hunting situations and success that it doesn't need a good pitch ?????? My perlin in his second season was making upwards of 500feet pitches and would pull off a snipe very quickly if he didn't make contact with it or unless he was right up its arse and forced it in cover, as far as i can remember he only ever bound to one common and that was at the very bottom of a stoop.

Have you seen many snipe this year ???


Stevehiya steve,seen quite a lot of snipe this season,and flown a few,.but this last 4 weeks with the bad weather only been able to fly about 4/5 trips on moors.its strange round here sometimes you goout get some flights,and sometimes its quiet.but one thing is for certain the common snipe when flushed go zigzaging all the way up, unless the perlin nails it first.cheers chris.A PERLIN FOR ME.

[Perlin]

hiya steve,seen quite a lot of snipe this season,and flown a few,had 4 snipe,and 17 varius kills.but this last 4 weeks with the bad weather only been able to fly about 4/5 trips on moors.its strange round here sometimes you goout get some flights,and sometimes its quiet.but one thing is for certain the common snipe when flushed go zigzaging all the way up, unless the perlin nails it first.cheers chris.A PERLIN FOR ME.

ps.who bred your perlin,is it male or female.cheers

[TimDog80]

if one of you experienced long wing flyer could answer this question as im finding these smaller longwings quite appealing, with regards to magpies how do they respond when the falcon is released if they ar in a tree a 100 or so yards out will they sit tight giving the bird chance to mount until you can get there to flush it or will it just bail out and try and put distance between them selves and the falcon as soon as the falcon is released?? as this would be the kind of longwing flying to suit where i am

[Gyr]

Hi Tim, whilst flying my perlin I found that most of the magpies flown made it into cover, but if you can get to it in time and if the perlin is waiting on (great) so then you can re-flush. The only problem being it is not so simple as it sounds as any long-winger will tell you! I was probably lucky in that I have plenty of magpies where I fly and found them well away from cover and the perlin could outfly them quite easily. Fortunately for me as well was the advantage of deep valleys where magpies were out feeding well away from any cover so that i could get the perlin waiting on first and then walk to the edge by this time she would be well placed, and caught more than her fair share, she also caught jackdaws like this but it was a bit more aerial and sometimes the flight would go on for some time. hope this will be of some use tim, i am no expert and this was the first time to try a perlin, but she went on to take a wide variety of quarry they really are Great

[TimDog80]

thanks cerri, so i take it the way to engineer the flight would be to spot a magpie in a tree/bush etc then head off and slip the bird out of sight of the magpie then head towards the magpie once the falcon is up and airborn as i take it the magpie will sit tight once the bird is up in the air above it:?:

[StoopDoggyDogg]

My perlin was bred by C.Southern and is a male imprint. i sold him this season, which was his 4th to a lad from yorkshire called kieran. He's on this forum but i've not heard nowt off him. I would like to know how the bird is doing if anyone knows him.
If i got another perlin i would possibly get a female and fly it off the fist but i would definately not imprint another. i see no benefits whatsoever from imprinting only negatives. Imprints do not take bigger quarry and are not more aggressive hunters. My imprint perlin was loathe to take big stuff but my mates parent reared bird was taking magpies and redleg partridge for fun.


Steve



ps.who bred your perlin,is it male or female.cheers

[Gyr]

thats what i was doing tim, i know its not easy in this area, my mates perlin would even go in cover after them. in the second season i was getting some good flights with partridge i had a new bit of ground with a few coveys on and it was much more organised. but they seem to go mad on magpie, no matter how far away they were, watch out for pigeon, or you could be in for a long treck, starlings too were good sport.

[TimDog80]

cheers cerri!! well good luck with yours next year:supz: decided to go for a new receiver in the new year so im deliberating whether to go down the falcon route after all mate:D dont hve to worry about getting a small transmitter though i got one as good as new:yawinkle: :lol:

[Gyr]

My perlin was bred by C.Southern and is a male imprint. i sold him this season, which was his 4th to a lad from yorkshire called kieran. He's on this forum but i've not heard nowt off him. I would like to know how the bird is doing if anyone knows him.
If i got another perlin i would possibly get a female and fly it off the fist but i would definately not imprint another. i see no benefits whatsoever from imprinting only negatives. Imprints do not take bigger quarry and are not more aggressive hunters. My imprint perlin was loathe to take big stuff but my mates parent reared bird was taking magpies and redleg partridge for fun.


Steve
Good point mate, mine was a female bred by colin pass, she took a few pheasant poults, she was p/r and would take on most things

[StoopDoggyDogg]

Flying at magpies is very hard work and you have to be young, fit and highly motivated. Unless maybe if your flying off the fist in open land devoid of cover (which i have never witnessed). Magpies will sit tight in a tree line or bush when your perlin is above and it is very difficult to flush them, especially if you have flown at them before. They will wait for an opportune moment to go for it when your bird is out of posistion and will usually turn back to cover if they see the perlin heading there way. I'd say to fly at them as your main quarry species is a big ask, you will definately need helpers (beaters).
I tried using a fishing catapult full of pea gravel firing directly at magpies and they wudn't budge, i ended up hurling sticks at them and still they would hop around the bushes. But early in the season when the maggies were a bit naive they flushed clean, but they soon learn the spoiling tactics. I've caught about 3 with my male, but it was too much like hard work for me and preferred hedgerows and snipe also i'd have to drop his weight to get him to do magpies which isn't the best thing to be doing with a waiting on small gamehawk. My female pumped a magpie down off the fist once when she was supposed to be waiting on for snipe, it was like a super high speed goshawk flight, in the future i'd like to have a go at blackheaded gulls with a female perlin, because gulls don't make for cover and there's **** loads of them about.


steve





if one of you experienced long wing flyer could answer this question as im finding these smaller longwings quite appealing, with regards to magpies how do they respond when the falcon is released if they ar in a tree a 100 or so yards out will they sit tight giving the bird chance to mount until you can get there to flush it or will it just bail out and try and put distance between them selves and the falcon as soon as the falcon is released?? as this would be the kind of longwing flying to suit where i am

[Gyr]

Good luck, tim but you will have your name down early, i think colin pass still breeds them.

[Gyr]

Flying at magpies is very hard work and you have to be young, fit and highly motivated. Unless maybe if your flying off the fist in open land devoid of cover (which i have never witnessed). Magpies will sit tight in a tree line or bush when your perlin is above and it is very difficult to flush them, especially if you have flown at them before. They will wait for an opportune moment to go for it when your bird is out of posistion and will usually turn back to cover if they see the perlin heading there way. I'd say to fly at them as your main quarry species is a big ask, you will definately need helpers (beaters).
I tried using a fishing catapult full of pea gravel firing directly at magpies and they wudn't budge, i ended up hurling sticks at them and still they would hop around the bushes. But early in the season when the maggies were a bit naive they flushed clean, but they soon learn the spoiling tactics. I've caught about 3 with my male, but it was too much like hard work for me and preferred hedgerows and snipe also i'd have to drop his weight to get him to do magpies which isn't the best thing to be doing with a waiting on small gamehawk. My female pumped a magpie down off the fist once when she was supposed to be waiting on for snipe, it was like a super high speed goshawk flight, in the future i'd like to have a go at blackheaded gulls with a female perlin, because gulls don't make for cover and there's **** loads of them about.


steve
Fully agree mate ,i am an old git 58 and found them very hard work

[TimDog80]

Flying at magpies is very hard work and you have to be young, fit and highly motivated. Unless maybe if your flying off the fist in open land devoid of cover (which i have never witnessed). Magpies will sit tight in a tree line or bush when your perlin is above and it is very difficult to flush them, especially if you have flown at them before. They will wait for an opportune moment to go for it when your bird is out of posistion and will usually turn back to cover if they see the perlin heading there way. I'd say to fly at them as your main quarry species is a big ask, you will definately need helpers (beaters).
I tried using a fishing catapult full of pea gravel firing directly at magpies and they wudn't budge, i ended up hurling sticks at them and still they would hop around the bushes. But early in the season when the maggies were a bit naive they flushed clean, but they soon learn the spoiling tactics. I've caught about 3 with my male, but it was too much like hard work for me and preferred hedgerows and snipe also i'd have to drop his weight to get him to do magpies which isn't the best thing to be doing with a waiting on small gamehawk. My female pumped a magpie down off the fist once when she was supposed to be waiting on for snipe, it was like a super high speed goshawk flight, in the future i'd like to have a go at blackheaded gulls with a female perlin, because gulls don't make for cover and there's **** loads of them about.


steve

very imformative thanks, i live by the sea side so gulls could be another avenue to look at, cheers tim:D

[TimDog80]

Good luck, tim but you will have your name down early, i think colin pass still breeds them.

cheers cerri, well see ill have to spoil the misses over xmas then tell her how much its gonna cost:yawinkle:

[Gyr]

Dont worry mate, worth every penny

[Perlin]

My perlin was bred by C.Southern and is a male imprint. i sold him this season, which was his 4th to a lad from yorkshire called kieran. He's on this forum but i've not heard nowt off him. I would like to know how the bird is doing if anyone knows him.
If i got another perlin i would possibly get a female and fly it off the fist but i would definately not imprint another. i see no benefits whatsoever from imprinting only negatives. Imprints do not take bigger quarry and are not more aggressive hunters. My imprint perlin was loathe to take big stuff but my mates parent reared bird was taking magpies and redleg partridge for fun.


Stevesdd,my male perlin is off chris southern,and is in is 4th season,must have got them the same time,mines parent reard,hes taken magpies,waiting on,and flushing them,takes them quite easly,not great sport for me.he also took a grey partridge,had a bit of atusle with it,has refused to fly them since.but were i fly there is not a great deal of them.snipe is the best.cheers

[Kevin Massey]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/mass2k5/pic3.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/mass2k5/pic2.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/mass2k5/pic1.jpg

[TimDog80]

STUNNING:supz: yours mass:?:

[Turumti]

Thats one good looking bird there.

[Gyr]

:rolleyes: http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/mass2k5/pic3.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/mass2k5/pic2.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/mass2k5/pic1.jpg

Fantastic photos, that is one handsome bird. Could you just clarify male or female. I am hoping to get a male next season. Also interested in flying weights. Cheers

[LanczSpringer]

Great photos!!

What are the flights on gulls like?

[Hacker]

STUNNING:supz: yours mass:?:

I do believe they are pic`s of Mergers gyrlin that he used to have.
I was nearly tempted to buy it when it went up for sale, a very accomplished bird.

[Merger]

Thanks, kev,, This is merger, last one bred by falcon mews I think! flew almost exclusevly on partridge, with just a few various caught in her second season , flew her for five seasons, took over 400, head of grey partridge, and some very spectacular wood pigeons! sold to a member on here for £800, and is now flying up in yorkshire somewere, she flew at 1Ib 3oz,, and taught me a lot about falcon behaviour, in elite hybrids, these pocket rockets have to be seen to be beleived!! without doubt, the most forward thinking falcon, I have ever handled....