Who breeds the best?

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Who breeds the best Game and or Pursuit Peregrines in the UK? Your opinions please. (Please stick to personal experience rather than hearsay).

[Falconry Equipment International]

Well best Gamehawks I have had have been from from Ray turner HTH

[Venividevenatio]

I have bought from five different breeders, and I have not been disappointed with any of them.
Perhaps, because to some extent, I disregard the price, and consider reputation and traveling distance?

[Merger]

Bit of hard one K!! Believing that a small part will be, very much down to what hands there in , however over thirty years of captive breeding some breeders have tried to select , to a point certain traits in pairs, Alistar mcissock, does breed some heavy , cobby scottish peregrines, this shape does seem to produce, a slightly more bouyant bird, Martin jones, has splashed a little barbary, and brookie, along the way, that agian seems to aid bouyancy, stocky and streamlined, seems to be a suitable traight for pusuit falcons, of wich, Nick fox, and Peter gill, Terry Burden, and a few others, have tried there best to attain, but I fimly believe that much of this may only play a small part in the outcome, the rest down to the falconer, so if some breeders birds , end up in good hands, then a reputation will quickly build up, there are some great peregrines in the uk at the moment, so Im asumming that the gene pool we pick from, is probably very close, In the eighties we had a small pool of captive held peregrines to breed, some were later imported from eroupe, some were still taken from the wild, and toped up each year, as now, by wild disabled, a breeder has a diffucult job, finding out about his stock, once its left there property! but most of the breeders Ive mentioned, will try to find out how the birds got on, and what natural traits came thro, some breeders fly there own peregrines, so have at least a good grounding, the peregrines we fly, are not wild birds, as in the sense that Falconry is very maufactured, when flying falcons, unlike hawks! so the bird is destined to be rewarded, from good stock, or bad! All I ask of a breeder is for him to supply me with an untouched , feather perfect bird at the age I specify, for the price he wants! if the bird wont perfom, thats my fault not his, you can praise him for producing you with, what you started with, but you cant Bo**ock him for the finished article! but if it flys well, then you and your friends go back, for more, a less experienced falconer! would go to another breeder, next time...a bit long but you asked a deep question!! bearing in mind 70% of longwingers, fly hybrids!!

[TiercelJim]

good reply.

[Berkut]

The best gamehawk I ever flew came from Steve Moroney. The best gull hawk I ever flew came from him also, along with a number of others that were not far behind. I did also have a very good gull hawk from Mark Robb.
Overall I stick to falcons from Steve Moroney as he is the most genuine person I have ever dealt with.There is no bullshit and you know exactly where you stand.
Not taking anything away from other breeders though,just my personal experience.

[LadyHawk2006]

Great answer Merger, I agree with the following up from breeders on how a bird turns out, I work for a breeder but unfortunatly he does not religiously call to see how the bird has gotton on which is a shame for all the hours that my college and i put into the whole process of breeding and rearing, i would really like to know.

[CJTaylor]

Sometimes the smaller breeders who breed for the love and not ness to make a living are a good bet,unfortunatley the breeder iv buy from only breeds one clutch per season and prefers to keep anon, but he has a large pair of real dark scottish birds that are realy nurtured as he only breeds a couple,these being large tenaciousbirds, Ive read on this site a breeder claiming to breed peres parent reardsfemails 2lb 13oz males up to 1lb 12oz [so called flying weights] either ive led a very sheltered 20 years at this or as i suspect its utter bullshit, the bird providing its well reared and untouched will be very much as you make it.

[LogoPetes]

who is the best breeder to get a red tail of, i,m after a female red early next year want to get my name down

[Yeoman]

The best gamehawk I ever flew came from Steve Moroney. The best gull hawk I ever flew came from him also, along with a number of others that were not far behind. I did also have a very good gull hawk from Mark Robb.
Overall I stick to falcons from Steve Moroney as he is the most genuine person I have ever dealt with.There is no bullshit and you know exactly where you stand.
Not taking anything away from other breeders though,just my personal experience.

one of the best game hawks ive seen fly was bred by i think by steve moroney and flown by mick calvin called the bird hal seen him fly grouse on a number of occasions on micks moor
kev

[Merger]

who is the best breeder to get a red tail of, i,m after a female red early next year want to get my name downI wouldnt think your exactly spoiled for choice anymore,, a few years ago you couldnt give them away, then trends turned , I would say just hunt for a breeder,, theyl hardly be good or bad, and with so few bieng imported over the years, there wont be much of difference, I would just go for breeder that doesnt allow the young, to see him bringing food each day, and your halfway there!!

[LogoPetes]

his name comes up a lot where abouts does he live have you got his number what sort of price should i be paying

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

who is the best breeder to get a red tail of, i,m after a female red early next year want to get my name down

Off Topic!!!!

[Merger]

Off Topic!!!!Sorry K, please forgive me,, yes lets stick to the thread!!:oops:

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

LOL!:rolleyes: :roll:

[Merger]

Some fine peregrines of good wieght, and steady nature, were bred by Rob Kelly, on here, this year..game hawked so far.

[Dean]

If the bird is healthy,in perfect feather,it is entirely in your hands! Not blowing my own trumpet,but! A friend and i both purchased beautiful brothers offa michael moore several years ago,mine excellent,his very below par! Breeders are allowed credit for creating great gamehawks,yet are not always to blame for poor ones!:yawinkle:

[Gyr]

who is the best breeder to get a red tail of, i,m after a female red early next year want to get my name down

Try Ed Hopkins, Gwent Hawking Club, I flew one of his females some years ago, great bird, flew at 2lbs 12ozs.

[LogoPetes]

that sounds a like good size bird at flying weight just hat im looking 4

[Gyr]

his name comes up a lot where abouts does he live have you got his number what sort of price should i be paying
Hi He lives in Pontllanfraith Gwent South wales telephone no, 01495 231431. and i think you are looking at about £350, approx, But like i say, really good birds.

[LogoPetes]

cheers i will in touch

[Kentish Falconry]

Hi He lives in Pontllanfraith Gwent South wales telephone no, 01495 231431. and i think you are looking at about £350, approx, But like i say, really good birds.

£350 for a Female Peregrine at 2Lb 12ozs are you having a laugh M8 you can't poduce them at that price. This year alone I have laid out about £7,500 on Peregrines either proven hawks in the field or from proven bloodlines to suppliment my own lines, have I just flushed that money down the toilet?
Terry

[Merger]

How come Ks not boll**king, these, I think there still talking, RT terry!! :confused: and dont worry terry, the tide is turning, youl be well rewarded with your new stock!!

[PitBullOne]

female pere at 2/12for 350 pounds youre drunk you ****;
we fly a ray turner pere/gyr on game at 2/9 she is so consistent , normally not above 500ft ,but notthing gets away,her only vice was carrying partridge in the early days

[Gyr]

£350 for a Female Peregrine at 2Lb !2ozs are you having a laugh M8 you can't poduce them at that price. This year alone I have laid out about £7,500 on Peregrines either proven hawks in the field or from proven bloodlines to suppliment my own lines, have I just flushed that money down the toilet?
Terry
Sorry terry, but i thought this lad was talking about red tail hawks, better read again.

[SnakeHuts]

Take a look at one of own members Southowram falcons, great pursuit and gamehawks, great friendly service and advice all the way. You will never go wrong with one of these falcons.

[W Jenkins]

Try Ed Hopkins, Gwent Hawking Club, I flew one of his females some years ago, great bird, flew at 2lbs 12ozs.

Sorry i know it is off the topic but Ed Hopkins does in my opinion breed the best RT,S just now the one i have is a light morph phase beautiful temp and killing at 2lb 12 oz and at 2 years old(Again sorry but just replying to the above).

[Dean]

Take a look at one of own members Southowram falcons, great pursuit and gamehawks, great friendly service and advice all the way. You will never go wrong with one of these falcons.
you will if you dont know what you are doing!
:yawinkle:

[Merger]

you will if you dont know what you are doing!
:yawinkle: :lol: :roll: :supz:

[Gyr]

female pere at 2/12for 350 pounds youre drunk you ****;
we fly a ray turner pere/gyr on game at 2/9 she is so consistent , normally not above 500ft ,but notthing gets away,her only vice was carrying partridge in the early days
THe lad was asking about a femail redtail **** not a peregrine take more water with it mate, or get an eye test

[Kentish Falconry]

Sorry terry, but i thought this lad was talking about red tail hawks, better read again.

Sorry really knackered after driving back frm Bristol and the meeting today, so perhaps I miss read the post. I have some of the best bloodlines of Peregrines in my Chambers thanks to Colin Pass Julian Stephens and Mike Butterwoth and was begining to feel I had wasted a lot of cash.
Terry

[SnakeHuts]

Dean and merger,

fair comment ........

[Gyr]

Sorry really knackered after driving back frm Bristol and the meeting today, so perhaps I miss read the post. I have some of the best bloodlines of Peregrines in my Chambers thanks to Colin Pass Julian Stephens and Mike Butterwoth and was begining to feel I had wasted a lot of cash.
Terry

Apology accepted, I also have a very large female peregrine bred by Colin Pass and are well aware of the price of peregrines. I, too would have been dubious at £350 for a female peregrine!!

[StoopDoggyDogg]

hybrid tho! not a peregrine



one of the best game hawks ive seen fly was bred by i think by steve moroney and flown by mick calvin called the bird hal seen him fly grouse on a number of occasions on micks moor
kev

[Goshawker 20]

Hal was still an exceptional bird never the less and was a a shame about his untimley death was a pleasure to see that bird fly:)

All the best

Rob Speakman

[Berkut]

Hal was still an exceptional bird never the less and was a a shame about his untimley death was a pleasure to see that bird fly:)

All the best

Rob Speakman

Rob,
Mind you £25k compensation will have eased the pain.:yawinkle:

[Barbary Boy]

Who breeds the best Game and or Pursuit Peregrines in the UK? Your opinions please. (Please stick to personal experience rather than hearsay).

pure peregrines or subspecies? or peregrine hybreds?

[Barbary Boy]

Rob,
Mind you £25k compensation will have eased the pain.:yawinkle:

hee hee!!!

[Goshawker 20]

Im sure it helped mike sleep better neil:goodman:

All the best

Rob Speakman

[Red-Devil]

Bit of hard one K!! Believing that a small part will be, very much down to what hands there in , however over thirty years of captive breeding some breeders have tried to select , to a point certain traits in pairs, Alistar mcissock, does breed some heavy , cobby scottish peregrines, this shape does seem to produce, a slightly more bouyant bird, Martin jones, has splashed a little barbary, and brookie, along the way, that agian seems to aid bouyancy, stocky and streamlined, seems to be a suitable traight for pusuit falcons, of wich, Nick fox, and Peter gill, Terry Burden, and a few others, have tried there best to attain, but I fimly believe that much of this may only play a small part in the outcome, the rest down to the falconer, so if some breeders birds , end up in good hands, then a reputation will quickly build up, there are some great peregrines in the uk at the moment, so Im asumming that the gene pool we pick from, is probably very close, In the eighties we had a small pool of captive held peregrines to breed, some were later imported from eroupe, some were still taken from the wild, and toped up each year, as now, by wild disabled, a breeder has a diffucult job, finding out about his stock, once its left there property! but most of the breeders Ive mentioned, will try to find out how the birds got on, and what natural traits came thro, some breeders fly there own peregrines, so have at least a good grounding, the peregrines we fly, are not wild birds, as in the sense that Falconry is very maufactured, when flying falcons, unlike hawks! so the bird is destined to be rewarded, from good stock, or bad! All I ask of a breeder is for him to supply me with an untouched , feather perfect bird at the age I specify, for the price he wants! if the bird wont perfom, thats my fault not his, you can praise him for producing you with, what you started with, but you cant Bo**ock him for the finished article! but if it flys well, then you and your friends go back, for more, a less experienced falconer! would go to another breeder, next time...a bit long but you asked a deep question!! bearing in mind 70% of longwingers, fly hybrids!!

nick fox dont breed peregrines and mc kissocks are all interbred

[LongVVing]

Have bought a small number of falcons but I would certainly say that if you get a falcon from Colin Pass you wont go far wrong.

Mark

[Judd Casper]

Who breeds the best Game and or Pursuit Peregrines in the UK? Your opinions please. (Please stick to personal experience rather than hearsay).

It doesn't really matter to much who breeds the best hawks if the buyer hasn't the land the quarry and the know how even a hawk from the so called best line will turn out ****.Is it just human nature and arrogance that makes us think we can do better over twenty to thirty years than evalution and mother nature has done in a few million.I always buy my peregrines for looks and shape alone how they turn out in the field is up to me,I like small very dark coby falcons which mount like tiercels but still have the fire power of the larger falcons when it comes to large ducks and rooster pheasants.

Sam

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

With all due respect though Sam thats not the question I posed. Kind regards K

[Yeoman]

not sure, but i think steven frank breeds pure peregrines

[Matthew Patching]

The best gamehawk I ever flew came from Steve Moroney. The best gull hawk I ever flew came from him also, along with a number of others that were not far behind. I did also have a very good gull hawk from Mark Robb.
Overall I stick to falcons from Steve Moroney as he is the most genuine person I have ever dealt with.There is no bullshit and you know exactly where you stand.
Not taking anything away from other breeders though,just my personal experience.

I have to agree with you on the steve moroney bit. best pursuit falcon that I ever flew came from griff griffiths, a perexprarie that just wouldnt give up for a heart attack!

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

I asked about Peregrines Matt!!!! I dont know, redtails, hybrids it aint good enough. LOL

[Matthew Patching]

Sorry mate, the original question got lost with all the off topic talk that I had to read before I got to the end. If its peregrines then I will expand my unashamed promotion of steve moroney and say that the tercel that I had off of him a few years ago was a cracking rook hawk (and he was) but due to untimely death by barbed wire I cannot say how good he could have been!

back on topic guys! lol