Rare white falcon

[QTR]

This is my first thread , I want to say hi to everyone here there is a groub of hunters from the gulf , they go every year to mangolya to trap limited falcons from the wild most of it are sakers and what is strange of that story is this year they traped a falcon that they never saw in there lifes and i will leave you with the pictures ;

http://www.jooodi.org/uploads/fcbfa9d0e5.jpg (http://www.jooodi.org)

http://www.jooodi.org/uploads/0646e42a31.jpg (http://www.jooodi.org)

thank you for looking at my thread ..

[Alf]

**** me I would hate to see the carnage if one of them won the lottery! It’s a little bit of a bloodbath mate. Do the goats get it if they get three numbers up? Alf.


This is my first thread , I want to say hi to everyone here there is a groub of hunters from the gulf , they go every year to mangolya to trap limited falcons from the wild most of it are sakers and what is strange of that story is this year they traped a falcon that they never saw in there lifes and i will leave you with the pictures ;

http://www.jooodi.org/uploads/fcbfa9d0e5.jpg (http://www.jooodi.org)

http://www.jooodi.org/uploads/0646e42a31.jpg (http://www.jooodi.org)

however this picture is talking about them celebrating after caught the rare falcon ;



thank you for looking at my thread ..

[Misty]

amazing falcon but is it my computer or is there something very odd about the photo of the bloodbath. If you look there is a secion on the left where you have half a man and the falcon appears on top of the ox or calf or whatever it is on the right but seems excessively large and doesn't have any legs :confused:
I'm sorry, I know we have different cultures but I find that extremely disturbing and upsetting.:(

[Jeremiah Johnson]

what is the dinner?

[Sirius]

Hi... Can you please explain the Hotlink hidden in these pictures?

Adi :-|

[Jeremiah Johnson]

amazing falcon but is it my computer or is there something very odd about the photo of the bloodbath. If you look there is a secion on the left where you have half a man and the falcon appears on top of the ox or calf or whatever it is on the right but seems excessively large and doesn't have any legs :confused:
I'm sorry, I know we have different cultures but I find that extremely disturbing and upsetting.:(

They are only preparing dinner until recently over here many meat animals were dispatched this way and probably still are

I dont see a problem do long as it wasnt wasted

[Kentish Falconry]

Hi Guy's I have known qtr, Abdulaziz, for many years and he is a really nice guy.
The bottom pic is a Montague of the Goat dieing in traditional Halal style, this is common in all Muslim countries, it even happens here in the UK within Muslim communities.
So please forgive him if you find this upsetting, it is a normal way of life for them and he would not put something on the Forum if he felt you would be offended.
Abdulaziz perhaps you might want to tell the members about your work at the Falcon Hospital and some of your hunting exploits in Iraq, Pakistan and other countries
Many thanks
Terry

[Java Falconer]

Perhaps it is a white mutation?

Maybe they slaughtered the goat as a way to thank to God for the white falcon.

Sorry if I'm wrong.

[Kentish Falconry]

I have removed the photo as I feel many of you will not like it

[Jeremiah Johnson]

If I was out there the only way I would be upset was if I didnt get a chunk to eat

[Kentish Falconry]

Hi... Can you please explain the Hotlink hidden in these pictures?

Adi :-|

The hot link is to an Arab site where the photo's originated from it's a bit like Photobucket I think

[QTR]

http://www.jooodi.org/uploads/b5323f0cf7.bmp (http://www.jooodi.org)

This another picture for the falcon so my question , what kind of falcon do you think is it saker or altay saker or pure gyr however its a passege falcon and the wight is 1300 g .

[1ABHawker]

Brilliant pictures qtr, after the goat gets slaughtered is it then eaten or left as an offering? not judging in anyway i am just interested in your customs!

[1ABHawker]

If I was out there the only way I would be upset was if I didnt get a chunk to eat

me too jeremiah , people are too quick to judge, can't see that goat suffered any more than something that has a raptor set on it then stabbed!

[OutHawkn]

Darn. I would like to have seen the picture your talking about. I find it offensive that everyone finds it offensive! Different cultures have different ways. I find that interesting and wouldn't it be a boring world if we all thought the same way?

OUTHAWKN

[Jeremiah Johnson]

me too jeremiah , people are too quick to judge, can't see that goat suffered any more than something that has a raptor set on it then stabbed!


That is one white bird !

well I would rather eat that than morrisons own brand stuffed with additives

[Kentish Falconry]

http://www.jooodi.org/uploads/b5323f0cf7.bmp (http://www.jooodi.org)

This another picture for the falcon so my question , what kind of falcon do you think is it saker or altay saker or pure gyr however its a passege falcon and the wight is 1300 kg .

Abdulaziz we have all seen this photo before and I know where it is and who has it at the moment but there is as always some doubt about the authenticity of the photo. I don't have the time to go to Kuwait to see if it is true or not.
The bird from where it was caught, weight, shape, etc is a white Altai Saker, it is not an Albino
Terry

[Kentish Falconry]

Here is the link to the last thread on this bird
Terry

http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=19662

[Graham Stuart]

hi terry i want to see that pic as i want upset lol:yawinkle:

[Alf]

Terry it never offended me I couldn’t give a toss if they ate it raw.
Just seems a funny way to celebrate to me that’s all.
Thought all that sacrifice stuff went out with the Bible?. Alf.


Hi Guy's I have known qtr, Abdulaziz, for many years and he is a really nice guy.
The bottom pic is a Montague of the Goat dieing in traditional Halal style, this is common in all Muslim countries, it even happens here in the UK within Muslim communities.
So please forgive him if you find this upsetting, it is a normal way of life for them and he would not put something on the Forum if he felt you would be offended.
Abdulaziz perhaps you might want to tell the members about your work at the Falcon Hospital and some of your hunting exploits in Iraq, Pakistan and other countries
Many thanks
Terry

[Hound]

http://www.jooodi.org/uploads/b5323f0cf7.bmp (http://www.jooodi.org)

This another picture for the falcon so my question , what kind of falcon do you think is it saker or altay saker or pure gyr however its a passege falcon and the wight is 1300 kg .

1300kg bloodt hell you would not want to have that sat on your fist:supz: :supz:
it is a very nice bird
as for the pics that were taken down i thought there was nothing wrong with them. its nice to see pics of other traditions from other countries

[1ABHawker]

**** me I would hate to see the carnage if one of them won the lottery! It’s a little bit of a bloodbath mate. Do the goats get it if they get three numbers up? Alf.

Alf you are a very funny man.

[Misty]

They are only preparing dinner until recently over here many meat animals were dispatched this way and probably still are

I dont see a problem do long as it wasnt wasted

I appreciate different cultures have different customs, I just found that one upsetting, and yes, we have some pretty disgusting customs in this country - namely the one where the builders wear their pants down round their ***** and burp and fart and wolf whistle. Yuk:roll: :roll:

[Misty]

Back to the bird. Is that really genuine.? That's one heck of a big bird! what would a bird like that sell for?? More than I could afford, I've no doubt.

[Java Falconer]

Okay, so it is not an albino, I can see it also from its brown colored eyes, not red.

I've never seen such a beautiful white falcon before. But, I believe that albino gene may also exist in falcons or raptors. Does anyone here have pictures of albino falcons or other raptors? I'm curious....

[RedNoseK9]

its ******
the second photo is photoshoped look slightly to the left of the falcons head the cloud abruptley ends and the sky colour is different so its fake

[Misty]

Terry, do you think this bird is for real or is it a wind-up :confused:

[Falconer1000]

I have removed the photo as I feel many of you will not like it

i didn't see it can you email it to me ? not that i'm sick in the head or anything:)

[Falconer1000]

I appreciate different cultures have different customs, I just found that one upsetting, and yes, we have some pretty disgusting customs in this country - namely the one where the builders wear their pants down round their ***** and burp and fart and wolf whistle. Yuk:roll: :roll:

i find that very offenceive, it's bottom burp not fa?t

[Freddie1]

Darn. I would like to have seen the picture your talking about. I find it offensive that everyone finds it offensive! Different cultures have different ways. I find that interesting and wouldn't it be a boring world if we all thought the same way?

OUTHAWKN

Same here m8 TERRY put them back on as some of us would be interested not offended as it is not every day you get to see how other people live!

[Kentish Falconry]

Ask qtr Abdulaziz to put it up again there was no way to save it and I deleted it sorry

[Jimmy]

QTR,
Please post the pic again for those of us that didn't see it.

[QTR]

Thank you for all the viewers , however the falcon is real and there is a program about it on tv and thank you terry for the right explain.

[Misty]

we will all want to see the t.v. program. when is it on and what channel?

[QTR]

Misty i wish i can but it has been prodcasted at a local chanel called al waha , sorry.

[Kentish Falconry]

Misty i wish i can but it has been prodcasted at a local chanel called al waha , sorry.

Salamun Alaikum my friend,

I was interviwed on that channel in 2005 had to have a translater though

Put the pic's up again Abdulazaiz and tell the Guys about your hunting in the Gulf region also your work at the Falcon Hospital so they can see who you are not a Sheikh more than a Sheikh
Ma salama
Terry

[HawkMom]

I think you have a leucistic phase Saker. (Leucistic is a white animal with normal eyes or 'points' (such as normal - talons beak). Some do keep the normal eyes yet the beak and talons are white. Red eyes are very undesiraable. The bird cannot handle the UV rays of the sun. The reason I say this is the pale color of the beak. A friend of mine caught a leucistic redtail two years ago. She has normal, brown eyes, but she is all white. Photo of her is on the NAFA website (www.n-a-f-a.org). Under member's photos.

You are a very lucky falconer.


Yes, I understand that animals are butchered this way. I also think that this is the way many animals are butchered in stockyards, to bleed them out. I'm not offended by the photo.

[QTR]

http://www.jooodi.org/uploads/dc542e80e9.jpg (http://www.jooodi.org)
Hi mates this is another picture for the falcon with the owner.

thanks with my regards.

[Kentish Falconry]

http://www.jooodi.org/uploads/dc542e80e9.jpg (http://www.jooodi.org)
Hi mates this is another picture for the falcon with the owner.

thanks with my regards.

Hi Abdulaziz.
The owner of this Falcon is HE Sheikh Nasser Sabah Al~Ahmed it is intended that the bird will be gifted to HH but at the moment he is content to keep it in his Majless
Now don't be shy tell the Guys a little about yourself they really do need to know who & what you are
Terry

[Sokoly]

This bird is a pearl of the nature. It is not albino because albinos have apsolutelly no pigment so the eyes would have been red if it was an albino.
This bird if used correctly can give a very interesting colour patterns in a different strains.It could be used as a basis for completely new colour pattern in falcons. Now I am speaking only colour, we don't know about her hunting abilities.
Good luck to the owner and use the bird in a smart purpose.
Sokoly

[Falcons7]

is this Abdul Aziz posting??



This is my first thread , I want to say hi to everyone here there is a groub of hunters from the gulf , they go every year to mangolya to trap limited falcons from the wild most of it are sakers and what is strange of that story is this year they traped a falcon that they never saw in there lifes and i will leave you with the pictures ;

http://www.jooodi.org/uploads/fcbfa9d0e5.jpg (http://www.jooodi.org)

http://www.jooodi.org/uploads/0646e42a31.jpg (http://www.jooodi.org)

thank you for looking at my thread ..

[Kentish Falconry]

is this Abdul Aziz posting??

Yes Jeff it is the man himself
Terry

[Jimmy]

Albinos can also have blue eyes........

[PitBullOne]

so interesting and educational, more like this,i know it is purley cosmetic, but i can feel the colour of my eyes changing.i want

[Kentish Falconry]

so interesting and educational, more like this,i know it is purley cosmetic, but i can feel the colour of my eyes changing.i want

Nice shade of green your eye's M8 lol

[Falconer1000]

dose the falcon have a name ?

[Kentish Falconry]

dose the falcon have a name ?

SNOWY PMSL

[Hound]

SNOWY PMSL

terry you owe a new key board. i just spat tea over it:supz: :supz:
james its called snow white:supz: :supz:

[QTR]

http://www.jooodi.org/uploads/8fe07599c2.jpg (http://www.jooodi.org)

Hi guys this another clear photo for the white falcon and someone told me that the bird is already hunted in morraco for hobara and he caught more than 10 hobara and he fly realy well. :)

with my regards.

[Nick B]

Hi,
Do you know where about in morocco she is.
Nick

[Falconer1000]

i hate to say it i know she is a falcon but look at the last picture dose she look like a racing pigeon to anyone else.
i'm not trying to be funny just at that angle and if you squint a bit

[DeadDogs]

i hate to say it i know she is a falcon but look at the last picture dose she look like a racing pigeon to anyone else.
i'm not trying to be funny just at that angle and if you squint a bit

More like a sea gull to me James....wish I had a flock of them though.!!

[QTR]

Hi
No I am very sorry really I don't know and I never been there .

[Hound]

i hate to say it i know she is a falcon but look at the last picture dose she look like a racing pigeon to anyone else.
i'm not trying to be funny just at that angle and if you squint a bit

james you been on the old speckled hen

[Falconer1000]

not yet but give me an hour and the posts might get really odd

[HawkMom]

I've just tried to look at the photos of the falcon again. The photos are not posting on my computer.:rolleyes: Can they be posted again?:wink: I was going to show them to my falconry friend. Thanks in advance.

[Nick B]

Hi. You can see the pics in this thread

http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=19662&highlight=white+falcon

if thi sdoesnt work type in white falcon in the search and go down untill you get to one titled can anyone identify this falcon
Hope it helps
Nick

[Stealth]

"Old Speckled Hen".........mmmmmmmmmmm......:rolleyes:

After a few of them, the picture looks like "Gandalf" on steriods:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[HawkMom]

From my previous post. I think the lucky falconers who trapped this bird trapped a 'Leucistic' saker. Leucistic is an 'incomplete' albinism. Leucistic animals often have normal 'points' (talons, nails hoofs) and blue or natural colored eyes. The best way to determine the species I think would be an examination by a taxonomist and blood/feather samples taken for DNA verification.

[QTR]

Hi guy's
Going back to my thread about white falcon, if you remeber the last time the falcon is in morroco hunting houbara so the latest news i resived about the white falcon is lost and they are serching for the bird.

http://www.m5zn.com/uploads/6e9209164b.bmp (http://www.m5zn.com)

All The Best
Aziz

[Altai]

Just out of interest, do you think any of the falcons lost in Morocco breed ?

I read somewhere recently that Sakers bred in Morocco, is this true?
Can anyone enlighten me.

I have spoken to trappers in Tunisia who said Sakers do cross the Med. into the north of Tunisia.

[PitBullOne]

sorry no time to post plane to catch

[HawkingSam]

This is my first thread , I want to say hi to everyone here there is a groub of hunters from the gulf , they go every year to mangolya to trap limited falcons from the wild most of it are sakers and what is strange of that story is this year they traped a falcon that they never saw in there lifes and i will leave you with the pictures ;

http://www.jooodi.org/uploads/fcbfa9d0e5.jpg (http://www.jooodi.org)

http://www.jooodi.org/uploads/0646e42a31.jpg (http://www.jooodi.org)

thank you for looking at my thread .. It's a evil dove.:twisted: lol :lol:

[Nick B]

hey qtr, any updates? did they manage to find the bird? also do alot of birds get lost on these trips because im for the moment looking after one that was lost and i wondered if it was common. Nick

[JMorrison222]

where is the pic ???? i dont see it at all .....

Bilal

[Nick B]

Hi, the pic can be seen on this post aswell.
http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=19662
hope it helps.
Nick

[AhmedQ8]

hey qtr, any updates? did they manage to find the bird? also do alot of birds get lost on these trips because im for the moment looking after one that was lost and i wondered if it was common. Nick

Yes it is very common to lost a bird on these trips , we lost to sakers in nagger this year .

sam Pepole sead they so the falcon on Algeria but not shuor .

[QTR]

QUOTE=NiCk B;475846]hey qtr, any updates? did they manage to find the bird? also do alot of birds get lost on these trips because im for the moment looking after one that was lost and i wondered if it was common. Nick[/QUOTE

Hi Nick
As far as I know they didn't find the falcon they search for it for two weeks.

All the Best
Aziz

[AhmedQ8]

last seen on human hand :rolleyes:

[QTR]

last seen on human hand :rolleyes:


Thanks ahmad for the nice photo which was taken during the hunting in morocco and the one carrying the falcon is the emir of Kuwait but this time I'll be talking about some thing which is we used to do it in the past before we use the telemetry,now I want you to conctrate in the red circle which is in the wing and I want you to have guess what is that?

http://upload.arb7.com/uploads/79bba5b987.bmp (http://upload.arb7.com)

All the best
Aziz

[Moritz]

wow, that is an amazing bird. who ever ownsit should breed with it. if you could pass the genes on the ofspring would be the best birds in the world.

thx for this briliant picture

moritz

[Altai]

Thanks ahmad for the nice photo which was taken during the hunting in morocco and the one carrying the falcon is the emir of Kuwait but this time I'll be talking about some thing which is we used to do it in the past before we use the telemetry,now I want you to conctrate in the red circle which is in the wing and I want you to have guess what is that?

http://upload.arb7.com/uploads/79bba5b987.bmp (http://upload.arb7.com)

All the best
Aziz

Tie some of the primaries together so the falcon can not go on the soar and get lost/migrate.

[QTR]

Tie some of the primaries together so the falcon can not go on the soar and get lost/migrate.

Thanks Dave for your reply, but to add more I think that this is the main reason why they lost the falcon in Morocco. Because it seems to me that the white falcon he let the prey to go away so he can catch it later on and this is a habit we found out in some passage wild falcons. Also I found out that some breeders in UK they use this technique for the breeding falcons to limit their movement.

All the best,
Aziz

[Nick B]

hi,
I was wondering whether any other birds were lost in the recent hunting trip to morocco and also other than the wild trapped birds such as the sakers where do they buy their birds from. Any specific breeders for houbara birds.
Thnx
Nick

[Turumti]

Many birds are lost hunting houbara, especially sakers, and particularly the good ones, because they often refuse to give up the chase even after a houbara has taken to the sky.

Once a friend's sakret that was lost at about 9:00am in the morning, was spotted by another party of hunters, bind to a houbara about 20 minutes later and 3 miles away.

Secondly sakers have an irrepressible urge to soar even if they go slightly overweight and if they find themselves a cooperative thermal. So for this reason they should be purged every ten days to a fortnight, especially in warm weather.

[QTR]

I just received in my email new photos for the white Saker during hunting in Morocco With the Emir of Kuwait before they last the Falcon .


http://www.q6r.com/up/uploads/d1eaa3a667.jpg (http://www.q6r.com/up)

http://www.m5zn.com/uploads/65140316a8.jpg

All the Best,
Aziz

[Alf]

Its not that white there’s a bit of red in it oops that’s blood! Pleased to see these white falcons are hunting and not just for photos or breeding. Alf.

I just received in my email new photos for the white Saker during hunting in Morocco With the Emir of Kuwait before the last the Falcon .


http://www.q6r.com/up/uploads/d1eaa3a667.jpg (http://www.q6r.com/up)

http://www.m5zn.com/uploads/65140316a8.jpg

All the Best,
Aziz

[QTR]

Its not that white there’s a bit of red in it oops that’s blood! Pleased to see these white falcons are hunting and not just for photos or breeding. Alf.

Hi Alf
That's for sure houbbara blood, and if any one had chance to hunt with this kind of falcons I think he will take it. Cheer,Aziz

[Hawkmaster]

So for this reason they should be purged every ten days to a fortnight, especially in warm weather.
What process is used to do this?

And QTR thanks for sharing this threads with us it is much appreciated.
Tell me more about the tied feathers in the red circle!;)

[John Dumbar]

Hello.
Finally did you find the white fellow or you just put some further photos made before the lose?
Regards.

[QTR]

What process is used to do this?

And QTR thanks for sharing this threads with us it is much appreciated.
Tell me more about the tied feathers in the red circle!;)

Basically to limit the falcon movement not to fly for long time and this an old methods been use in our area before we use telemetry for the some falcons only.Cheers,Aziz

[QTR]

Hello.
Finally do you found the white fellow or you just put some further photos made before the lose?
Regards.

Hi John
All those where taken during the hunting before the lost of the white falcon and another pictures to see.

http://www.m5zn.com/uploads/f676b87e5e.jpg

http://www.q6r.com/up/uploads/a0cc5a73f5.jpg (http://www.q6r.com/up)

With my regards,
Aziz

[John Dumbar]

Ask question to Aziz, you will soon receive many cracking photos:yawinkle: .
Simple rule:supz: .
Thank you very much.
Best Regards.

[QTR]

Ask question to Aziz, you will soon receive many cracking photos:yawinkle: .
Simple rule:supz: .
Thank you very much.
Best Regards.

Thanks John for you and any time :supz:

[QTR]

I'm just putting photo for the white Saker and this is the last photo I do have for white falcon , I'm hoping you like it.


http://www.q6r.com/up/uploads/b029b5a412.jpg (http://www.q6r.com/up)


With my regards,
Aziz

[Nick B]

Cracking photos Aziz. Thanks alot for sharing them.
Nick

[Java Falconer]

Does the white falcon hunt well like its normal relatives?

[QTR]

Cracking photos Aziz. Thanks alot for sharing them.
Nick

Thanks Nick do you still in Morocco.
Cheers,Aziz

[Nick B]

Yes I am, I am there at the moment. If you need anything from here fell free to ask.
Nick

[John Dumbar]

Great picture :supz: .
Thx and Regards.

[QTR]

Yes I am, I am there at the moment. If you need anything from here fell free to ask.
Nick

No thanks Nick that's very kind of you. cheers ,Aziz .:supz:

[QTR]

Great picture :supz: .
Thx and Regards.


My pleasure John. Cheers, Aziz