Falco peregrinus ernesti

[Java Falconer]

Hi guys,

This is my first Peregrine, I'm sure he's ernesti subspecies. Do you think so?
I got him at 620 grams which means that it's a male right?

Having read some articles about training Peregrines, I kind of having difficulties in weight reduction. He doesn't seem to reduce his weight after 5 days of manning process. He's still at his (more or less) 620 grams everyday and making him so aggressive towards me eventhough he's already receiving tidbits in a calm condition, not to much bating, standing on my fist well, and could be stroked a little bit.
Any suggestion for reducing his weight so that the training could progressing quicker? He still refuse to hop on my fist for the tidbits, I guess it's because he's still fat.

Btw, anyone here would like to propose your best method of training a Peregrine to me? as there are so many method I've read and don't know which will come the best (still confused). I find it so different with training Kestrels. But, bigger birds means that the weight management is not tricky and I heard that Peregrine is easy to be trained. I hope that I could be succeeded in training him.

Thanks a lot!!!

His pics:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d174/ChinSil/My1stPeregrineFalcon_Immature_15.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d174/ChinSil/My1stPeregrineFalcon_Immature_14.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d174/ChinSil/My1stPeregrineFalcon_Immature_8.jpg

[Sprout]

I guess it's because he's still fat.



Don't guess!! Pinch his keel bone and assess for yourself - no one can give you accurate advice without knowing the condition he is in. You need to tell us if he is fat or sharp. A lot of the injured birds I have come across have been fairly close to what you would call a flying weight when they come in (fairly keen keel bone) but I don;t know how much affect the disease process has already had on their condition to bring the bird into captivity.

[Dude]

Agree with Carl, but u have a very nice bird there ;)

[PitBullOne]

nice bird,its in shadow but check the hood fits, be careful dont rush,good luck
you need a local falconer to help you

[BarbaryHawking06]

Hi there, the peregrine looks more like a female to me, 620 g would be a pretty big tiercel regarding the fact that the keel bone already is quite visible on the picture. Get its weight up would be my first advice.
Once its weight is up to the maximum, you can start conditioning it (you will reach the maximum by good feeding within 1 to 3 weeks)
Hope this helps

[BarbaryHawking06]

http://images.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://www5b.biglobe.ne.jp/~raptor/DSCN7827%2520copy_L.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www5b.biglobe.ne.jp/~raptor/gallery.htm&h=480&w=640&sz=44&hl=de&start=1&tbnid=WWq1CUP8HtiyRM:&tbnh=103&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dfalco%2Bperegrinus%2Bernesti%26svnum% 3D10%26hl%3Dde%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN

This are pics from a pergrinus ernesti: looks very different to me

[Alf]

Why hop him or jump to the fist why not just step him up? . I haven’t hoped or jumped any of my falcons to the fist in training all they need at this stage is to step up on the fist as it’s offered. If you think about it how many times does a lure trained peregrine jump or hop to the fist in free flight?
Anyway once your hawk becomes a little tamer it will be jumping up to your fist when you go to pick it up there really isn’t a need to jump a falcon like a peregrine to the fist in early training. Alf.


Hi guys,

This is my first Peregrine, I'm sure he's ernesti subspecies. Do you think so?
I got him at 620 grams which means that it's a male right?

Having read some articles about training Peregrines, I kind of having difficulties in weight reduction. He doesn't seem to reduce his weight after 5 days of manning process. He's still at his (more or less) 620 grams everyday and making him so aggressive towards me eventhough he's already receiving tidbits in a calm condition, not to much bating, standing on my fist well, and could be stroked a little bit.
Any suggestion for reducing his weight so that the training could progressing quicker? He still refuse to hop on my fist for the tidbits, I guess it's because he's still fat.

Btw, anyone here would like to propose your best method of training a Peregrine to me? as there are so many method I've read and don't know which will come the best (still confused). I find it so different with training Kestrels. But, bigger birds means that the weight management is not tricky and I heard that Peregrine is easy to be trained. I hope that I could be succeeded in training him.

Thanks a lot!!!

His pics:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d174/ChinSil/My1stPeregrineFalcon_Immature_15.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d174/ChinSil/My1stPeregrineFalcon_Immature_14.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d174/ChinSil/My1stPeregrineFalcon_Immature_8.jpg

[Java Falconer]

Thanks for the comments guys, I'll try to do my best in training him. Asking helps from local falconer is almost impossible here, as looks like I'm the only one who is practising falconry. I'm alone, therefore really need lots of advise.

Btw, I've seen those pictures before of F. p. ernesti and I felt the same. The birds in the pictures looks smaller and not well build. It is written in a hand book of raptors in Indonesia, there are only two subspecies live in Indonesia. The native one is the F. p. ernesti, while the other one is F. p. calidus which is migratory bird. Is it possible that mine is of calidus subspecies?

Regarding the weight, I also have read that for male, the weight is about 550-660 gr. While female is much heavier than that, that's why I considered it to be a male one.

Btw, the hood fits well, eventhough I should make the beak opening bigger.

Great thanks!

[Sprout]

What happened to your peregrine? Noticed your signature has changed too.

[Java Falconer]

What happened to your peregrine? Noticed your signature has changed too.

I just lost her recently.

Anyway, I can't use her though. So, I can just let her go. Not so much regret.

Accipiter will definitely be the best raptor for falconry here. Not so many plain country for flying falcons. But, maybe little falcon like Kestrel will do. Besides, quarry for Pere is not abundant here. I just realized that flying big falcons is not that easy.

Sparrowhawk is the best for me.

Thanks Sprout, I never thought you would ask me that.

[Brian Sullivan]

I have some pictures and information about (Falco Peregrinus Ernesti) if you would like to take a look at them. I also have a link where is some fine photographs of Ernesti and Peregrinator. There is some variation but, the head and back are black with highlights of Purple even in immature plumage. The Fijian Peregrine (Falco Peregrinus Nesiotes) is close in back and head color but, Ernesti's is the darkest of them all. Ernesti varies in breast marking and the central area of this subspeices has the darkest form.

The bird that you have pictured appears to be a bird that travel from the North. There will be no question if you obtain Ernesti. This appears to be a wintering bird and not one from your local race. There is mashes in the Philippines where many Northern Peregrines winter and have been documented and photographed.

[BFG]

CUT HIM DOWN HE WILL SOON GET THE IDEA :cool: :grin:

[Brian Sullivan]

Have you thought about ringing flights on Fruit Bats?? :D

[Dude]

good one :D

[Arie291]

hey i've got a falcon too but i'm not sure about the sex male/female. my falcon is moluccan kestrel (falco moluccensis) it has 275 gram weight i don't know is it overweight or not. here's the picture
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j158/s2w291/HoodBeforePaint.jpg

[HallBeck]

Interesting hood - or is it a turban?! :)

[Arie291]

Which one? my hood or javan_falconer's hood? if my hood, that's my first handmade hood and i put on my 2nd moluccan kestrel