IFF Club

[Barbary Boy]

just read terries post about the fair/festival, i didnt realise we are classed as the worlds biggest club with 4500 members? awsome. so is there not a case for making us a legit club with a membership fee, mission statement and merchandise etc? no i am not taking the **** as everyone knows how i feel about clubs, this could be a real oppertunity here. thoughts please?

[Pitbull]

I think it will need a members only part of the forum. But a good idea. especially when it comes to insurance. But I think to many believe it should be free.
I would be happy to pay a subsciption fee for a private membership,

[FlameHairedFalconer]

This is something we have considered before.

If anyone can suggest a way of this club operating, inc voting of committee, collection of subs etc, post your answers here!

FHF

[HawkMan69UK]

4500 members ...wish some more would post then8-)

[Barbary Boy]

its fantastic that you get all this for nowt, but we have a rare oppertunity here with so many members it could be a viable option though for those who are interested only! others just carry on like before?it could even be financially viable for the owners of this site to do it commercially? have you seen the plight of the bfc website for example? poor to say the least and rarely updated!

[Pitbull]

This has been discussed before when donations were the thing. Theres alot that were saying why pay if its a open forum, so this is where a closed private forum will be needed. Probably have to be regional also. Then events like the festival, the different regions can get together.

[PhilZack01]

just read terries post about the fair/festival, i didnt realise we are classed as the worlds biggest club with 4500 members? awsome. so is there not a case for making us a legit club with a membership fee, mission statement and merchandise etc? no i am not taking the **** as everyone knows how i feel about clubs, this could be a real oppertunity here. thoughts please?

Thought you joining the BFC m8!!!!!!:rolleyes: :goodman: :yawinkle:

[MickeyDredd]

I believe the site owner did have big plans for operating a more "commercial" site but I think he has taken something of a back seat since last year.

Perhaps if he logs on we can get his view.

[Barbary Boy]

Thought you joining the BFC m8!!!!!!:rolleyes: :goodman: :yawinkle:

fortunatly for me i discovered how to donate to the hawk board? came close though! pheew? still bugs me that club members get cheaper registration though! WHY?

[Barbary Boy]

I believe the site owner did have big plans for operating a more "commercial" site but I think he has taken something of a back seat since last year.

Perhaps if he logs on we can get his view.

in light of possable new legislation. i think now is the time?

[Saker-Clive]

I think it could work; obviously the main forum would be the hub, then we would need area sections for local meets etc.

A seperate club members section just like the Club 18+; then there's the insurances to get sorted .......................................

[PhilZack01]

never understood that myself BB .as they dont contruibute to it so why?? when are you going to come to sunny berks for our gatherings? phil

[PhilZack01]

never understood that myself BB .as they dont contruibute to it so why?? when are you going to come to sunny berks for our gatherings? phil:supz:

[PhilZack01]

l think my computor has gone tits up !!!!!!

[Barbary Boy]

ill be treasurer, all membership subscriptions can be deposited into my camen island offshore account. ok?

[Leo 1]

I think it will need a members only part of the forum. But a good idea. especially when it comes to insurance. But I think to many believe it should be free.
I would be happy to pay a subsciption fee for a private membership,

but what abut the members ho carnet afford two pay for a private membership they wood lose contact to the people ho they chat to and wood be pushd out and ave u ever fort that this may be why we are the bigger grup because it is free i recon u wood lose a lot of members

[Barbary Boy]

i think with the forum allready up and running and with 4500 potential members the cost could be extremely affordable? dont you? and if people cant afford it. then its a bit like the p d s a why have a pedigree dog if you cant afford to pay the vets bills?

[Falconer1000]

I think it could work; obviously the main forum would be the hub, then we would need area sections for local meets etc.

A seperate club members section just like the Club 18+; then there's the insurances to get sorted .......................................

great idea, save me form starting the oha (oxfordshire hawking association)

[Pitbull]

but what abut the members ho carnet afford two pay for a private membership they wood lose contact to the people ho they chat to and wood be pushd out and ave u ever fort that this may be why we are the bigger grup because it is free i recon u wood lose a lot of members

normally it will all depend on what you want out of it. On private forums the sponsors or advertisers will give you a better deal on supplies, this can out way the normally small fee for the forum. If these forums didn't exist you would have by now (not personal) have spent probably over £100 on books alone. Make a few mistakes as a beginner which would be harder to rectify on your own. Just this alone is worth a fee probably to a private forum, which can also regulate who is who a bit better. But hopefully those that are willing to pay would be less likely to abuse what they have paid for. Also you tend to look after things better if you have had to pay for it.

[Pitbull]

i think with the forum allready up and running and with 4500 potential members the cost could be extremely affordable? dont you? and if people cant afford it. then its a bit like the p d s a why have a pedigree dog if you cant afford to pay the vets bills?

true.

[Barbary Boy]

so come on mods! what about it?

[Falconer1000]

is it worth putting it to a poll?

[Leo 1]

normally it will all depend on what you want out of it. On private forums the sponsors or advertisers will give you a better deal on supplies, this can out way the normally small fee for the forum. If these forums didn't exist you would have by now (not personal) have spent probably over £100 on books alone. Make a few mistakes as a beginner which would be harder to rectify on your own. Just this alone is worth a fee probably to a private forum, which can also regulate who is who a bit better. But hopefully those that are willing to pay would be less likely to abuse what they have paid for. Also you tend to look after things better if you have had to pay for it.

and i agre but it is my perant comp and i carnt get a back acaunt

[Saker-Clive]

The 'forum' would

a. have to vote on the committee for the main 'club'. Then chose and vote for local area reps. almost like sub. committee's/clubs.

With the amount of knoweledgeable members and already, groups, this would make a basis for the local clubs.

b. draw up (probably a standard letter of conduct) with regards the club.

c. treasury.........................the list goes on but we already have numerous amount of external club members which can help mould what is needed.

[Barbary Boy]

and i agre but it is my perant comp and i carnt get a back acaunt

ill pay for you m8? i promise, if it ever happens.

[Barbary Boy]

is it worth putting it to a poll?

YES! i think so.

[Leo 1]

i am geting sceard naw i dont whant two lose my best site but its not up two me:(

[Barbary Boy]

imagine the voice we could have? imagine the clout we would weild if we all joined forces?

[Saker-Clive]

i am geting sceard naw i dont whant two lose my best site but its not up two me:(

I don't think that the site as it is will change BUT through a sub section we could have an International Falconry Club.:supz:

[Barbary Boy]

i am geting sceard naw i dont whant two lose my best site but its not up two me:(

no one would lose the site! we would just be a formal group , a force to be listened to.

[Falconer1000]

imagine the voice we could have? imagine the clout we would weild if we all joined forces?

i think with the way falconry as a spot is going it is nessary

[Barbary Boy]

so lets do it? this is the 1st club ive ever had any enthusiasm for, so please dont let this huge opertunity get away?

[Leo 1]

ill pay for you m8? i promise, if it ever happens.

noting agensd u but i have heard that be for and as soon as it hapens i wood hear from eny one agen and ho wood whant me in a privet membersip people have don nothing but complayn abaut me on her but yet a gen ther is some verry good people on her

[Pitbull]

just read terries post about the fair/festival, i didnt realise we are classed as the worlds biggest club with 4500 members? awsome. so is there not a case for making us a legit club with a membership fee, mission statement and merchandise etc? no i am not taking the **** as everyone knows how i feel about clubs, this could be a real oppertunity here. thoughts please?


the only problem with this BB is I would hate to think what percentage of this 4500 members you would say are not really worth the title of falconer / austringer just bird keeper, but hey if it helps the numbers then lets get going.;) :lol:

[Paddy1]

so lets do it? this is the 1st club ive ever had any enthusiasm for, so please dont let this huge opertunity get away?



where is the poll bb maybe this is a numbers thing if enough of us vote yes them maybe admin wiil listen

[Barbary Boy]

the only problem with this BB is I would hate to think what percentage of this 4500 members you would say are not really worth the title of falconer / austringer just bird keeper, but hey if it helps the numbers then lets get going.;) :lol:

no different to any other "falconry" club i would guess m8?

[Pitbull]

no different to any other "falconry" club i would guess m8?


:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Venividevenatio]

This is something we have considered before.

If anyone can suggest a way of this club operating, inc voting of committee, collection of subs etc, post your answers here!

FHF

Perhaps with volunteers running another site as an experimental 'club', using a 'Monopoly Money' paid membership, non members and guests. Make believe benifits, online voting etc ??? This would start to show weaknesses and failures, and importantly strengths. Then when everything is more or less working, go live for real?

[Barbary Boy]

where is the poll bb maybe this is a numbers thing if enough of us vote yes them maybe admin wiil listen

i cant run a poll! im thick? someone else do it please.

[Barbary Boy]

Perhaps with volunteers running another site as an experimental 'club', using a 'Monopoly Money' paid membership, non members and guests. Make believe benifits, online voting etc ??? This would start to show weaknesses and failures, and importantly strengths. Then when everything is more or less working, go live for real?

WHAT?

[Leo 1]

no one would lose the site! we would just be a formal group , a force to be listened to.

so i wood still be abel two chat two avery one even the ones that have gon privet

[Saker-Clive]

One major difference would be the cost; with a considerable number as embers, the membership could be a pittance; there won't be any real overheads of hiring a venue for monthly meets so all monies would be going straight into the 'club' for what ever purposes, advertising etc.

'Meetings' would be held online, and there won't be the usual in normal clubs of peope not attending as 99% of the membership would be online anyway............................................ ..

[Barbary Boy]

youve sold it to me m8? lets go!

[Paddy1]

WHAT?




i tihnk only mods r the original thread starter can do it mate pm a mod :supz:

[Saker-Clive]

All those that are in outside clubs, how much is your annual membership.

When Southern Counties Raptor Club was running, the membership was £17 per anum or £25 for a family of 4...................................

[Falconer1000]

One major difference would be the cost; with a considerable number as embers, the membership could be a pittance; there won't be any real overheads of hiring a venue for monthly meets so all monies would be going straight into the 'club' for what ever purposes, advertising etc.

'Meetings' would be held online, and there won't be the usual in normal clubs of peope not attending as 99% of the membership would be online anyway............................................ ..


i think some things are done better person to person,
field meets on line might be a problem :)

[Saker-Clive]

i think some things are done better person to person,
field meets on line might be a problem :)

:supz: ..the local sections would hold their own regular field meets, as all that fly birds will have their own land. Plus as a club there are other options in getting flying land for the 'club'. I know, I've personally done it myself:supz:

[Leo 1]

and haw much r u thincking off charging for the mebership im not in any club but i wood love two be in one

[Dave Whitt]

Well I think it`s a brilliant idea, if 75% of the IFF members joined up we would have a hudge voice, I would pay to be a member in fact I will publically volonter my time and effort to help in any way I can.

[Venividevenatio]

WHAT?

Put another way, run a site as a testing ground, to iron out the problems.

[Barbary Boy]

Well I think it`s a brilliant idea, if 75% of the IFF members joined up we would have a hudge voice, I would pay to be a member in fact I will publically volonter my time and effort to help in any way I can.

likewise!

[Dave Whitt]

Do you think we are straying slightly off the subject lads, maybe we should start a new thread "who has the biggest dong" ? :)
Any way I still think the "International Falconry Club" is a great idea do you think we should start a poll on who would join ?
I have not seen any of the Mods post yet do you think they are holding back untill they have had a discussion ?

[Barbary Boy]

Do you think we are straying slightly off the subject lads, maybe we should start a new thread "who has the biggest dong" ? :)
Any way I still think the "International Falconry Club" is a great idea do you think we should start a poll on who would join ?
I have not seen any of the Mods post yet do you think they are holding back untill they have had a discussion ?

it would seem so? and by the way i have a very small "dong" but as my wife will tell you. a massive arse to ram it in with?

[Leo 1]

it would seem so? and by the way i have a very small "dong" but as my wife will tell you. a massive arse to ram it in with?

they are probley reading the thread to she if it is wirth puting up o pole

[Paddy1]

it would seem so? and by the way i have a very small "dong" but as my wife will tell you. a massive arse to ram it in with?



mate thats way to much info :rolleyes: :lol:

[Barbary Boy]

mate thats way to much info :rolleyes: :lol:

but its true?

[Kevin Massey]

There are loads of points made here that I am 100 % up for...Dont know if you all realize but the forum has closed down access a lot...But wanting to wet appetites of potential new members the forum was not closed down totally to non logged in members.

The membership list at the moment is over inflated for sure and that is being sorted all the time....

But a food for thought if every member had to pay a £3.00 subscription to the forum...I think the list would drop to 2500 ish members...but would increase on a more realistic level....but thats 2500 members @ £3 £7500 per year off that alone... just Imaging how much that would help the hawk board for instance:?: ....And in turn every one of us...(well in the uk anyhow)....

[Barbary Boy]

There are loads of points made here that I am 100 % up for...Dont know if you all realize but the forum has closed down access a lot...But wanting to wet appetites of potential new members the forum was not closed down totally to non logged in members.

The membership list at the moment is over inflated for sure and that is being sorted all the time....

But a food for thought if every member had to pay a £3.00 subscription to the forum...I think the list would drop to 2500 ish members...but would increase on a more realistic level....but thats 2500 members @ £3 £7500 per year off that alone... just Imaging how much that would help the hawk board for instance:?: ....And in turn every one of us...(well in the uk anyhow)....
so why not set up a iff fighting fund? and lets see what people give? all proceeds to the hawk board? and when we hand over a cheque for thousands of pounds lets see what they make of that? come on lets just do it? bet we could raise several thousand pounds! and contribute more than any other club , i bet!

[Dave Whitt]

There are loads of points made here that I am 100 % up for...Dont know if you all realize but the forum has closed down access a lot...But wanting to wet appetites of potential new members the forum was not closed down totally to non logged in members.

The membership list at the moment is over inflated for sure and that is being sorted all the time....

But a food for thought if every member had to pay a £3.00 subscription to the forum...I think the list would drop to 2500 ish members...but would increase on a more realistic level....but thats 2500 members @ £3 £7500 per year off that alone... just Imaging how much that would help the hawk board for instance:?: ....And in turn every one of us...(well in the uk anyhow)....

Your right Kev, I was thinking more along the lines of £5 each, I don`t think anyone could argue with paying that to be a member of what may turn out to be the biggest falconry club in the world.

[Leo 1]

dont no
ave a look at your frofile over the next few days mate and it will show you down in the bottom right corner under clubs you ate jioned to[/QUOTE]

what do the clubs do or shud i say what will i get out of it

[Paddy1]

would a poll not be a good idea as bb has stated ????

[Kevin Massey]

so why not set up a iff fighting fund? and lets see what people give? all proceeds to the hawk board? and when we hand over a cheque for thousands of pounds lets see what they make of that? come on lets just do it? bet we could raise several thousand pounds! and contribute more than any other club , i bet!

Ok .... but we have not a lot more of a voice on things like this as yourselves....however Im sure we can persue this....I am all behind this...Infact if sparrow cant do it via the forum as a donation link.... I can offer my own address and a place to forward any donations....as long as those that do post this makes it via recorded mail and post on a thread how much they have sent....

[Paddy1]

ave a look at your frofile over the next few days mate and it will show you down in the bottom right corner under clubs you ate jioned to

what do the clubs do or shud i say what will i get out of it[/quote]



jokes and what not mate

[GregMik]

Do you think we are straying slightly off the subject lads, maybe we should start a new thread "who has the biggest dong" ? :)
Any way I still think the "International Falconry Club" is a great idea do you think we should start a poll on who would join ?
I have not seen any of the Mods post yet do you think they are holding back untill they have had a discussion ?

Already had it....It died in commitee....

Greg

[Dave Whitt]

so why not set up a iff fighting fund? and lets see what people give? all proceeds to the hawk board? and when we hand over a cheque for thousands of pounds lets see what they make of that? come on lets just do it? bet we could raise several thousand pounds! and contribute more than any other club , i bet!


I`m sure we would we could, and if we sorted it out propally, we could make it very easy to pay, the club could have it`s own "Pay Pal" account meaning evreyone would be able to pay and all payments would be secure, insured, guaranteed etc etc.

[GregMik]

There are loads of points made here that I am 100 % up for...Dont know if you all realize but the forum has closed down access a lot...But wanting to wet appetites of potential new members the forum was not closed down totally to non logged in members.

The membership list at the moment is over inflated for sure and that is being sorted all the time....

But a food for thought if every member had to pay a £3.00 subscription to the forum...I think the list would drop to 2500 ish members...but would increase on a more realistic level....but thats 2500 members @ £3 £7500 per year off that alone... just Imaging how much that would help the hawk board for instance:?: ....And in turn every one of us...(well in the uk anyhow)....

The problem I see here, this is an international forum, are you going to give money to NAFA or any other members club also?

Greg

[Kevin Massey]

The problem I see here, this is an international forum, are you going to give money to NAFA or any other members club also?

Greg

I was thinking that as i wat typing...no direct answer there greg....although it could be deemed that a % goes to this and a % goes to that and a % goes to the other

[GregMik]

I think the forum should stay what it is .....a forum....


Greg

[Barbary Boy]

so we set it up as the campaign for british falconry. sponsered by the iff?

[Falconer1000]

The problem I see here, this is an international forum, are you going to give money to NAFA or any other members club also?

Greg


i can see what your saying the forum is international, but i for one would like to see a more physical approach, we are one of the biggest groups in the world. do we not have a responsibilty to our sport?

[GregMik]

i can see what your saying the forum is international, but i for one would like to see a more physical approach, we are one of the biggest groups in the world. do we not have a responsibilty to our sport?

Not as a group on the internet. You join a club to do your part.

Sorry but I see this place as an internet forum, nothing more. The clubs are where you should be putting your time and effort in to support your sport.

Greg

[Saker-Clive]

The problem I see here, this is an international forum, are you going to give money to NAFA or any other members club also?

Greg


As I put earlier, we would all have our 'local branches' and the US section could have their own monies for their bodies, as could any other country if there were enough members to support it.

[GregMik]

As I put earlier, we would all have our 'local branches' and the US section could have their own monies for their bodies, as could any other country if there were enough members to support it.

Sorry Clive,

I didn't read thru the whole thing yet.....

Greg

[Barbary Boy]

are there any really pressing issues in the states at the moment that are threatening falconry? i dont know, so as an international forum shouldnt we be focussing on were the problems are? and as far as i can see its the uk at the momment?

[Saker-Clive]

No worries, but the forum and name would just be the central focal point of the 'club'.
The UK side would have it's own sections within itself just like the States could but we would all function through the forum.

Well that's how I see it:rolleyes:

[Dave Whitt]

Yes we should give money to all the main falconry bodies, I personally do not know what NAFA does in the US equvilant to our Hawk Boad, or the BFC these are all things that would have to be discusses in time the first question is :-
1, How Many people are interested (really interested and would pay) in my experiance of events 50% of the people who say "I will come" or "Count me in" let you down.

and

2, Who is willing to help organise it / commit there time, effort, money and are wlling to be nagged by the wife for spending too much time doing it.
The Mods on the site spend a lot of time making the site run, sorting out problems etc and to the best of my knowledge they all do it for nothing so thanks to all of them but a project like this is not easy to set up and will take a lot of time and effort from like minded dedicated people, I for one am willing to put in whatever it takes because I think it would be benefit to falconry as a sport all over the world, from the sounds of it a few others are too so lets have a show of hands ......

[Falconer1000]

Not as a group on the internet. You join a club to do your part.

Sorry but I see this place as an internet forum, nothing more. The clubs are where you should be putting your time and effort in to support your sport.

Greg


for me at least all clubs near me are full of stuck up pratts,
and i'm sorry but i won't be a part of that weather it supports falconry or not
the goverment will never stop me i'll just move to america :)
but i would deffently support a forum club

[Falconer1000]

Yes we should give money to all the main falconry bodies, I personally do not know what NAFA does in the US equvilant to our Hawk Boad, or the BFC these are all things that would have to be discusses in time the first question is :-
1, How Many people are interested (really interested and would pay) in my experiance of events 50% of the people who say "I will come" or "Count me in" let you down.

and

2, Who is willing to help organise it / commit there time, effort, money and are wlling to be nagged by the wife for spending too much time doing it.
The Mods on the site spend a lot of time making the site run, sorting out problems etc and to the best of my knowledge they all do it for nothing so thanks to all of them but a project like this is not easy to set up and will take a lot of time and effort from like minded dedicated people, I for one am willing to put in whatever it takes because I think it would be benefit to falconry as a sport all over the world, from the sounds of it a few others are too so lets have a show of hands ......

too right,well said

[Barbary Boy]

i think weve heard it all! havent we? there seems to be enough interest so ? come on you site owners lets do it!

[Pitbull]

are there any really pressing issues in the states at the moment that are threatening falconry? i dont know, so as an international forum shouldnt we be focussing on were the problems are? and as far as i can see its the uk at the momment?

a bit like the festival, even those that are coming from abroad and spend their money at the festival, I believe the profits are put in the direction of the Hawk Board.

[Barbary Boy]

for me at least all clubs near me are full of stuck up pratts,
and i'm sorry but i won't be a part of that weather it supports falconry or not
the goverment will never stop me i'll just move to america :)
but i would deffently support a forum club

this is why ive never been a member of a club! but OUR club could be very different! the 1st ever cyber club . with no snobbery or ****? it will work if people support it? and i think they will!

[Dave Whitt]

this is why ive never been a member of a club! but OUR club could be very different! the 1st ever cyber club . with no snobbery or ****? it will work if people support it? and i think they will!

I agree, I`m also going to be bed now the wife is waiting for me :supz: so I will catch up in the morning.

[Pitbull]

with no snobbery !

are you planning on banning the gos hawkers.:lol: :lol:

[Murph]

4500 members ...wish some more would post then8-)

lol!:supz:

[Kevin Massey]

come on you site owners lets do it!

Monday morning I will sort out a po box and we can take it from there

[Barbary Boy]

a perfectly good response. so do i! i think a lot of people are guided here and are then to unsure about posting! this could be due to people like me? but i think its more to do with them looking at posts and thinking ."for gods sake"?

[Falconer1000]

are you planning on banning the gos hawkers.:lol: :lol:

easy now we've heard enough of gos hawks for one night,

bb for chairman ?

[Pitbull]

if things dont work out what happens with donations. I remember donating £10 from me and Jakki for tickets for a day out with neil and his eagles but that never went through, never got the refund though we were happy to have it transfered over too the forum. Or did it still go to the good cause.

[Gerry4292]

Please forgive me if someone has already said this, but I got as far as page 6 before several questions jumped into my mind,and before I lose them I need to get them written down.
(1) I am all for paying a membership fee but what will fee paying members get that they don't get now for free.
(2)will they get as a matter of course a mentor as part of their subscribtion,If they are new to falconrey.As it seems impossible to get one now without paying any fee's.
(3)would paying for membership make this forum an ellitist site,in which case people new to falconry like myself would not stand a dogs dick of a chance of getting help and advice from expierienced falconers.
(4)What would the sub's be used for i.e club meets ect.(very difficult given that members live all around the world)unless it includes flights / accomadation ect. Do you get were I'm going.
If I take out a membership with the RAC I know exactly what I'm getting,FULL COVERAGE for every enventuality.
Please don't think I'm shooting a good idea down to save a few quid,as I have already stated that I am happy to pay for a membership to this forum,as I belive that to truly understand a subject you need to get advice and help from people who know what they are doing.As can already be done without paying any fee.
So what benefit would paying a subscrition be to anyone ?????

[Barbary Boy]

all very valid points m8? but my dream wasnt to acctually get anything from it? just to raise a huge ammount of money for the hawk board fighting fund? to benefit us all long term!

[Falconer1000]

Please forgive me if someone has already said this, but I got as far as page 6 before several questions jumped into my mind,and before I lose them I need to get them written down.
(1) I am all for paying a membership fee but what will fee paying members get that they don't get now for free.
(2)will they get as a matter of course a mentor as part of their subscribtion,If they are new to falconrey.As it seems impossible to get one now without paying any fee's.
(3)would paying for membership make this forum an ellitist site,in which case people new to falconry like myself would not stand a dogs dick of a chance of getting help and advice from expierienced falconers.
(4)What would the sub's be used for i.e club meets ect.(very difficult given that members live all around the world)unless it includes flights / accomadation ect. Do you get were I'm going.
If I take out a membership with the RAC I know exactly what I'm getting,FULL COVERAGE for every enventuality.
Please don't think I'm shooting a good idea down to save a few quid,as I have already stated that I am happy to pay for a membership to this forum,as I belive that to truly understand a subject you need to get advice and help from people who know what they are doing.As can already be done without paying any fee.
So what benefit would paying a subscrition be to anyone ?????


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i would like to se a more organised approach to the forum, i like the idea of "local meets" but on a larger scale it's a chance for us all as a group to have a voice and make a difference to the sport in which we are all so passionate,

[Barbary Boy]

maybe i should just post the site to donate to the hawk board and let people do what they want?

[Pitbull]

maybe i should just post the site to donate to the hawk board and let people do what they want?


that would be good.

[Barbary Boy]

ill post it tommorrow? but its a france address ????

[MickeyDredd]

maybe i should just post the site to donate to the hawk board and let people do what they want?

I personally think it would be good for the IFF profile if any such fund-raise from IFF members was to be done on a co-ordinated basis.

[Pitbull]

I personally think it would be good for the IFF profile if any such fund-raise from IFF members was to be done on a co-ordinated basis.

a good point.

[GregMik]

Keith,

I have thaught a little about this. Don't get me wrong I am not trying to cut down a Noble idea. We(the mod and admin team)have discussed this, I went so far as talking to Terry Large on what would be needed to be recognised by the HB as a club.

I can see how everybody would like to see it form a club as we have excellent ppl on here. I just don't see how it would work logisticly when ppl are from all over the world.



You asked if falconry was threatened over here. Yes it is, all the time. I don't know if you have read or heard about the Sportsmans Alliance. It is allot like your countryside alliance. Here is the web site. http://www.ussportsmen.org/. Read that of an update on what is going on with the anti-hunting crowd. If you want to read a laod of garbage that is going to end our wild take over here read this: http://www.fws.gov/migratorybirds/issues/falconry/Draft%20Regulations%20EA.pdf That is the draft environemental assessment on the wild take of Raptors. They are using Scandinavian Data for most of thier biologic data. This document will be challenged by the anti's for this reason and a judge will put a moratorium on wild take untill the USFWS does thier own research. They will not do this because to do a population study on all raptors in the US would take millions of dollars and they are not going to spend the cash for 4250(the number of US Falconers) falconers. Oh and NAFA has really done nothing about this.

NAFA is the one that is spose to be watching what happens with the Laws and regs but they don't do a very good job on acting on anything.

[Falconer1000]

Keith,

I have thaught a little about this. Don't get me wrong I am not trying to cut down a Noble idea. We(the mod and admin team)have discussed this, I went so far as talking to Terry Large on what would be needed to be recognised by the HB as a club.

I can see how everybody would like to see it form a club as we have excellent ppl on here. I just don't see how it would work logisticly when ppl are from all over the world.



You asked if falconry was threatened over here. Yes it is, all the time. I don't know if you have read or heard about the Sportsmans Alliance. It is allot like your countryside alliance. Here is the web site. http://www.ussportsmen.org/. Read that of an update on what is going on with the anti-hunting crowd. If you want to read a laod of garbage that is going to end our wild take over here read this: http://www.fws.gov/migratorybirds/issues/falconry/Draft%20Regulations%20EA.pdf That is the draft environemental assessment on the wild take of Raptors. They are using Scandinavian Data for most of thier biologic data. This document will be challenged by the anti's for this reason and a judge will put a moratorium on wild take untill the USFWS does thier own research. They will not do this because to do a population study on all raptors in the US would take millions of dollars and they are not going to spend the cash for 4250(the number of US Falconers) falconers. Oh and NAFA has really done nothing about this.

NAFA is the one that is spose to be watching what happens with the Laws and regs but they don't do a very good job on acting on anything.

i alway's thought there were a fair few nafa members in GB?
any why not promote the iff to the us more?
form a us groug supporting your fight against legisation

[Ned]

thats it bedtime,night all.

[GregMik]

Lets get back to the topic at hand....


Ok enouph of the posting about Barbary boy.....It was a mistake and has been removed...Lets get back on topic please.


Greg

[Falconer1000]

Lets get back to the topic at hand....


Greg

agreed where were we?

[Venividevenatio]

I think the forum should stay what it is .....a forum....


Greg

That is exactly why I mooted the suggestion of running another site as a 'real time' experiment, to iron out the problems with elections, funding etc, This would leave the IFF in its current form and purpose, as a Forum for all falconry people of all countries.

If the experimental 'on line club' seemeed to work in the trial, it could go 'live,' and people could join if they so wished. That would resolve international issues over distribution of funds and lobbying re legislation. But like other clubs, members would be welcome from other countries, but as with other clubs also, they would not have full membership rights.

It is realy no different from the way NAFA has international members, except that it would be online.

I would envisage that 'on line' club members would spend most of their "internet falconry" time dipping in to the rough and tumble of the IFF, but subscribe to the 'on line' club to have a voice in political ares, much the same as existing traditional clubs currently perform.

So in reality, the IFF would still be a point of central focus, and the 'on line club' an optional satellite, unconnected to the IFF administrativly or financialy, except that it may share members????????

Complicated, yes, hence trialing it as a dummy first.

[Pete Kent]

I hope I don't sound like miserable old git but I don't think the forum can be a 'falconry club' in the sense of the usual meaning.

I'm a member of two falconry clubs, we have monthly meetings in each where we get together for a few beers, a laugh and a chat, we're breifed on what's going on by the commitee members. We also meet for organised 'club' field meets, have Christmas booze ups, and individual members field meets regularly.

I can't see how the forum can do any of this as we are so many and live so far apart.

A club by definition has an elected commitee, a meeting place, membership cards, members pay subs, shall I go on ?

As much as I enjoy it, I believe the forum is what it says it is, a forum.

Would be nice to arrange a big get together though at the 'Falconry Fair' or somewhere similar.

[Falconer1000]

I hope I don't sound like miserable old git but I don't think the forum can be a 'falconry club' in the sense of the usual meaning.

I'm a member of two falconry clubs, we have monthly meetings in each where we get together for a few beers, a laugh and a chat, we're breifed on what's going on by the commitee members. We also meet for organised 'club' field meets, have Christmas booze ups, and individual members field meets regularly.

I can't see how the forum can do any of this as we are so many and live so far apart.

A club by definition has an elected commitee, a meeting place, membership cards, members pay subs, shall I go on ?

As much as I enjoy it, I believe the forum is what it says it is, a forum.

Would be nice to arrange a big get together though at the 'Falconry Fair' or somewhere similar.


i think alot of these points have been descused in this opst and i think it could work not many clubs have a daily meeting like we do!
there are many different options avalible
as for us living so far apart your right but there are a fair few members locally to me which is why feild meets would be a fegional thing
not to mention the fact that fields meet's allready happen on this forum in one sence of another, i think the whole thing would be that bit more organised, were not talking about changing the forum just having a more structured approach for some of us the forum dosen't need to change at all

[Falconer1000]

think of it more as a car owners club, just cose you drive a porche dosen't mean you have to join the club but some ppl enjoy getting together
in person and meeting like minded people or as a united front having a voice

[Kentish Falconry]

Whilst I am all for us forming a proper club within the IFF it would take a lot of setting up to work properly.
If we could attract sufficient numbers to join and pay to use a designated area for club members only we could progress from there and set it up for you. We would need enough members to become a recognised club with DEFRA and become a Affiliated Club with the Hawk Board, This would mean we would achieve a number of things one being cheaper registration of new birds, we could also have a member sitting on the Hawk Board as a Club Representative etc.
If only half the current Members joined the Club this would still make us the largest Club in the UK imagine the clout we would have with the Hawk Board and UK Falconry in general, as a recognised Club all our members would have the chance to vote in the Hawk Board elections. So the Club Members and the open Forum would always be up to speed on what is happening with the Government etc.
We would have to find out how much the annual subscription to the Hawk Board would be as to be registered with the HB the club has to pay, I have a feeling it is around £5.00 per member so if we charged a nominal fee of £10 or even £15 per member then that would cover all the expenses plus we could pay something out of this to the Forum for the General upkeep.
How many of you would be willing to pay £15 a year to join the Club?
I will add a poll later if it is needed but it would not be worth it if only 10 members wanted to join.
Terry

[Leo 1]

Whilst I am all for us forming a proper club within the IFF it would take a lot of setting up to work properly.
If we could attract sufficient numbers to join and pay to use a designated area for club members only we could progress from there and set it up for you. We would need enough members to become a recognised club with DEFRA and become a Affiliated Club with the Hawk Board, This would mean we would achieve a number of things one being cheaper registration of new birds, we could also have a member sitting on the Hawk Board as a Club Representative etc.
If only half the current Members joined the Club this would still make us the largest Club in the UK imagine the clout we would have with the Hawk Board and UK Falconry in general, as a recognised Club all our members would have the chance to vote in the Hawk Board elections. So the Club Members and the open Forum would always be up to speed on what is happening with the Government etc.
We would have to find out how much the annual subscription to the Hawk Board would be as to be registered with the HB the club has to pay, I have a feeling it is around £5.00 per member so if we charged a nominal fee of £10 or even £15 per member then that would cover all the expenses plus we could pay something out of this to the Forum for the General upkeep.
How many of you would be willing to pay £15 a year to join the Club?
I will add a poll later if it is needed but it would not be worth it if only 10 members wanted to join.
Terry
i no this is going two sound stupid but i wood antbe abel two afford it i am unemployed and no bankk account and i carnt get one. but if i cude i defantl wood in

[Hawkmaster]

OK a new section and chapter is born!

The International Falconry Club Section will shortly be opened and all business and setting up will be handled from there.

http://falconryforum.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=181