The government's proposal to introduce road pricing

[TinyLoc UK]

Democracy in action? Pass it on before the Big Brother State becomes a reality...........


The government's proposal to introduce road pricing will mean you having to purchase a
tracking device for your car and paying a monthly bill to use it. The tracking device will
cost about £200 and in a recent study by the BBC, the lowest monthly bill was £28 for a
rural florist and £194 for a delivery driver. A non working Mum who used the car to take
the kids to school paid £86 in one month. On top of this massive increase in tax, you will
be tracked. Somebody will know where you are at all times. They will also know how fast
you have been going, so even if you accidentally creep over a speed limit in time you can
probably expect a Notice of Intended Prosecution with your monthly bill.

If you care about our freedom and stopping the constant bashing of the car driver, please
sign the petition on No 10's new website (link below) and pass this on to as many people
as possible.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/

[Murph]

Gos sorry mate i nicked your thread already from the other place ! but i quess it makes no odds as long as people sign up to it!

I did say it was you thas posted it!!

Murph

[TinyLoc UK]

Gos sorry mate i nicked your thread already from the other place ! but i quess it makes no odds as long as people sign up to it!

I did say it was you thas posted it!!

Murph


No worries Murph at least people are getting to hear about it m8

Good Hawking
Nick

[Murph]

Cheers mate thats what i thought and when i didnt see it on here i thought i would get it on!

Murph

[Misty]

i've signed. bloody goverment, stealth tax and big brother. guy fawkes knew what he was up to:twisted:

[Trappa]

Good thread. We really need to get rid of this government at this election.

[Murph]

Just adding to this again so maybe more will see it!:supz:

[Michaek]

any one thinking of putting BNP in parliment?

[Murph]

Hope everyone is taking the time to sign up to this!

[TinyLoc UK]

Please take the time to sign up to this!!

Remember Congestion Charges :evil: everbody said it would never happen :-x

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/

[Chip]

i have signed.

[TinyLoc UK]

Well done Gaz

[Killer Harris]

i ve just signed it .WHATS THIS GOVEMENT THINKING???????

[Misty]

81 members have read this so far ( not nearly enoguh)
how many have signed???
lethargy or what :roll:

[GregMik]

Wouldn't do much good for me to sign it....

Greg

[TinyLoc UK]

81 members have read this so far ( not nearly enoguh)
how many have signed???
lethargy or what :roll:

Thanks KH

Well said Sandy Thanks

Yes you'r right Greg but thanks for your Support, what would you guys do in the US

Not enough people objected to the Congestion charge in London so it was brought in where next Bristol / Swansea / Manchester.

We have to stand up and be counted or just give all our hard earned cash straight to the Government

[GregMik]

It would not work here. We are too paranoid about our privacy. Look at the stink the "Patriot Act" has brought up. The act allows the gov't to snoop on international communication without a warrant. Ppl were up in arms because US citizens could be snooped on.

Greg

[GregMik]

Just to add....This is what happens when you have the gov't run things. The more stuff the gov't runs the more the gov't tries to control the behaviours of the ppl under its thumb.
Greg

[Murph]

Both myself and wife have signed im not sure how many votes you can have from one house and i have emailed it to people i know but as im a billy no mates that wasnt many! Im supprised with how many people we have on the forum that this post hasnt had more visits!

Murph

[ChrisRobbo]

Signed.

[Misty]

Wouldn't do much good for me to sign it....

Greg

you never know greg - tony and george being such good bosom buddies I thought we already were the latest star on your flag - isn't the UK a part of America now?? :rolleyes:

[TinyLoc UK]

Just to add....This is what happens when you have the gov't run things. The more stuff the gov't runs the more the gov't tries to control the behaviours of the ppl under its thumb.
Greg

Yes Greg you are wright !!

Thanks to Everyone for signing the patrician if you have not signed yet please do so we have to stop yet another stealth Tax

Our Government has long forgotten that they have been given power by us.

Parliament is elected form the people by the people for the people, allegedly !

Nick

[Rossi_Hawker]

They can bu&&£r of with this **** , we pay road tax and what for?? roads are full of potholes anywhere you go and now they want to know where you are and when crikey why dont they just hire private eyes lol . hope this does not go through!!!! drew

[Matthew Patching]

Done!

[Misty]

Yes Greg you are wright !!

Our Government has long forgotten that they have been given power by us.

Parliament is elected form the people by the people for the people, allegedly !

Nick

do you think someone has forgotten to tell them that :roll:

[TinyLoc UK]

Well done Matt

We have got to stop this or suffer the consequences

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/

Nick

[Mikey]

any one thinking of putting BNP in parliment?

Already ducking,but yes ...ME.Alas whoever gets voted in will be just the same!!

[Biff]

also signed:evil:

[Misty]

keep those signatures coming guys :supz:

[Murph]

No other country would sit by and take this **** all the time!

[BlueBoy]

if this bill gets in we can look forward to mass unemployment and the price of everything apart from houses going up, who's going to take a trip to the seaside, or some other place if your going to get an extra bill for £100, for gods sake Blair ...... off now :evil:

[Murph]

:supz:

[SeagulBasher]

only just seen this one
but i've signed:supz:

[Freddie1]

b-llocks to blair but can any of the others do any better i think not:confused:
still have signed
steve

[Richard]

Always been a labour fan, but theres alot of silly things going about. Maybe its time for a change?

[Mikey]

Always been a labour fan, but theres alot of silly things going about. Maybe its time for a change?

B.N.P

[Mikey]

Or a civil war!!!!!!

[Sprout]

I've voted.
This country is getting ridiculous - says a lot when it pays more to be unemployed and claiming benefits rather than work your ass off to better yourself and work into a profession.
I work for a private company that works out of a PDSA centre - when leaving in the morning it is embarassing that the worst car in the car park is mine!!! The other day there were 2 mercedes, a BMW and a brand new Dodge 4X4!! and these are people too poor to pay for vet fees and are on government assistance!!!!!????????????? Oh, and my taxes pay for it:twisted: :twisted:

[Misty]

I've voted.
This country is getting ridiculous - says a lot when it pays more to be unemployed and claiming benefits rather than work your ass off to better yourself and work into a profession.
I work for a private company that works out of a PDSA centre - when leaving in the morning it is embarassing that the worst car in the car park is mine!!! The other day there were 2 mercedes, a BMW and a brand new Dodge 4X4!! and these are people too poor to pay for vet fees and are on government assistance!!!!!????????????? Oh, and my taxes pay for it:twisted: :twisted:

my taxes also. I wholeheartedly agree with you. This is a ridiculous country to live in. It seems the more you work and save the more you are penalised. If you are 16 and pregnant you are financially better off than anyone in work.

[XiaTeal'c]

I've just signed the petition, thinking as I did so of all the possible uses for them sending me an email I've then got to reply to before they'll accept my signing.... it is going to get scarier before things get any better. We've got a lot to worry about, if we let the wee tinkies grind us down. Don't pay anything the government asks for, and we'll find suddenly the whole country going on strike, all of it's own accord. But don't you think some weasly little government spy is reading all these messages of ours, logging us down as potentials? We're not giving you our taxes and fines, Mr Minister, unless you clean up this mess you've got us all into. And shut the gates, please, before we talk. This is Britain. The one that made an Empire, remember? Before it lost its bottle and starting brown-nosing the wrong Bush.

[GregMik]

What the heck does Bush have to do with your country trying to take your liberties away?:twisted:

It is the liberal socialists that want to control your lives that are doing this to you. Bush happens to believe in Liberty and is working against those same liberals, albeit in the US, that you just signed the petition to fight against.

Greg

[Speedy Ste]

All I am going to say into this matter is.........Blair is nothing but a BIG EARED ******!!!!!:supz: :supz: :supz:

[Misty]

What the heck does Bush have to do with your country trying to take your liberties away?:twisted:

It is the liberal socialists that want to control your lives that are doing this to you. Bush happens to believe in Liberty and is working against those same liberals, albeit in the US, that you just signed the petition to fight against.

Greg

Greg
I don't think it is Bush that the british people have a gripe with. It is the fact that Blair spends all his time brown-nosing Bush when he should be back here sorting out our own problems. Blair is a major problem over here but sadly there doesn't seem to be anyone decent to take over from him. heaven help us when brown gets in:roll:
Anyone on this forum want to stand for prime minister. I will vote for you:rolleyes:

[Jester]

All I am going to say into this matter is.........Blair is nothing but a BIG EARED ******!!!!!:supz: :supz: :supz:


you missed out lying, self serving,cheating etc.etc.

[Michaek]

Log on to BNP even if its just for a browse, to many think its all right wing natzi wanabees but if one was to look deeper those people would find a very democratic and respectfull party whose sole aim is to protect the british people and there lives.


www.bnp.org.uk/

[TinyLoc UK]

We are running out of time

The government's proposal to introduce road pricing will mean you having to purchase a
tracking device for your car and paying a monthly bill to use it.
The tracking device will cost will you about £200 and in a recent study by the BBC, the lowest monthly bill was £28 for a
rural florist and £194 for a delivery driver. A non working Mum who used the car to take
the kids to school paid £86 in one month. On top of this massive increase in tax, you will
be tracked. Somebody will know where you are at all times. They will also know how fast you have been going,
so even if you accidentally creep over a speed limit in time you can
probably expect a Notice of Intended Prosecution with your monthly bill.

If you care about our freedom and stopping the constant bashing of the car driver, please
sign the petition on No 10's new website (link below) and pass this on to as many people
as possible.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/

Deadline to sign up by: 20 February 2007 – Signatures: 642,587


Please sign up today or we will all suffer the consequences, this will happen unless we all stand up and be counted.

Nick

[Rex06]

i don't understand fully whats going on (i'm dutch)
is the goverment trying to get a law that you have to hang tracking devices on you're car ? or am i just reading wrong ?

[Misty]

how many have signed this, can we have a poll to see how many are concerned and how many are sticking their heads up their own ****

[Misty]

i don't understand fully whats going on (i'm dutch)
is the goverment trying to get a law that you have to hang tracking devices on you're car ? or am i just reading wrong ?

you're reading correct, this will also enable the goverment to charge us yet another stealth tax :evil:

[Beaujest]

Democracy in action? Pass it on before the Big Brother State becomes a reality...........


The government's proposal to introduce road pricing will mean you having to purchase a
tracking device for your car and paying a monthly bill to use it. The tracking device will
cost about £200 and in a recent study by the BBC, the lowest monthly bill was £28 for a
rural florist and £194 for a delivery driver. A non working Mum who used the car to take
the kids to school paid £86 in one month. On top of this massive increase in tax, you will
be tracked. Somebody will know where you are at all times. They will also know how fast
you have been going, so even if you accidentally creep over a speed limit in time you can
probably expect a Notice of Intended Prosecution with your monthly bill.

If you care about our freedom and stopping the constant bashing of the car driver, please
sign the petition on No 10's new website (link below) and pass this on to as many people
as possible.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/

Thanks for the heads up Nick.I have signed the petition and forwarded it to my whole address book.This seems to be one of many evils this government has come up with.We will have to make sure they definately do not get in next time.:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[TinyLoc UK]

Well done Colin



If you care about our freedom and stopping the constant bashing of the car driver, please
sign the petition on No 10's new website (link below) and pass this on to as many people
as possible.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/

Deadline to sign up by: 20 February 2007 – Signatures: 646,637

Nick

[StaceyW]

Both husband and i have signed!

[TinyLoc UK]

Both husband and i have signed!

Well Done Stacey :supz:

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/

Deadline to sign up by: 20 February 2007 – Signatures: 646,903 @ 10.25 am 04 02 2007

Nick

[Hhaawwkkeerr]

I am quite happy to sign and will.However will it make any difference?If the present Government want to do it,who will stop them?.It is,after all,a great way of raising more cash.Look at the protest marches against hospitals being closed,fox hunting,et al,did that make any difference?
Surely the only way to change things is to change the Government! We must rid this country of the cancer that is Tony B-liar and his cronies.So please remember that come the next polling day.

[TinyLoc UK]

I am quite happy to sign and will.
Well Done :supz:

However will it make any difference?If the present Government want to do it,who will stop them?.It is,after all,a great way of raising more cash.Look at the protest marches against hospitals being closed,fox hunting,et al,did that make any difference?

I understand where you are coming from
But we managed to stop the ban on tail docking for working dogs

They have forgotten that they were elected from the people by the people to represent the people
Not to control us and monitor our every move.

We have to stand up and be counted or the government will run all over us

We are already more heavily taxed than any other EU country it has to stop

Surely the only way to change things is to change the Government! We must rid this country of the cancer that is Tony B-liar and his cronies.So please remember that come the next polling day.

Yes you are right but that could take a wile.

So get voting

Nick

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/

Deadline to sign up by: 20 February 2007 – Signatures: 647,089
11 am 04/02/07

[Rex06]

can belgiums vote to :yawinkle: 8-) ?
well seems a stupid idee to me to.

[TinyLoc UK]

can belgiums vote to :yawinkle: 8-) ?
well seems a stupid idee to me to.

Thanks for your support Peter :supz:

I do not think so but please try :yawinkle:

Nick

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/

Deadline to sign up by: 20 February 2007 – Signatures: 648,590 @ 3.57 pm Update Signatures: 650,000 @ 7.50 pm

04/02/06 well done keep signing the petition

[Murph]

I like to just add a bit to this post form time to time to bring it back to the top of the page!:supz:

[Derry Shaw]

I've signed up and forwarded it to all contacts in my email account. Whilst we are on the subject of labour and their stupid legislation ideas, what about the proposal to charge higher road tax to 4x4 owners. Where is the logic in that? my freelander is 2.0ltr diesal and I often see 6.0ltr V12 BMW's when driving in london, nobody bloody moans about them.:evil:

[Misty]

I'm with you on that one. For those who need a 4X4 and those in countryside living there should be excemptions. The sloane rangers don't care if the price goes up as they can afford it. On ce more it is the little guy who needs this who gets canned. Typical bloody goverment, thinks with their a**es.

[GregMik]

I thought the Liberal Party was for the little guy?

Greg

[Misty]

sadly, although we have a choice of parties, we don't have any real leaders. They come and go with nothing to say in the meantime. Most people don't even know who the liberal leader is now, not many know who the conservative leader is. What we need is a charasmatic leader who is going to govern this country for the people of this country. In my dreams i think:roll:

[Murph]

I've signed up and forwarded it to all contacts in my email account. Whilst we are on the subject of labour and their stupid legislation ideas, what about the proposal to charge higher road tax to 4x4 owners. Where is the logic in that? my freelander is 2.0ltr diesal and I often see 6.0ltr V12 BMW's when driving in london, nobody bloody moans about them.:evil:

Its a load of rubbish this idea that 4x4 should pay more as we do anyway! we use more fuel so we pay more tax anyway!! this party has tried to say we are the green party and we will change things for the better! and with each idea and the heart of it is how much more money they can make!

I was going to go on a rant but whats the point just the more people sign this the better.

In france they have brought out a smoking ban in public. But its made no difference and when interviewed a french fella said "In france if we dont like a law we ignor it!!" If everyone refused to have these bloody things fitted they would have to dump it!

[TinyLoc UK]

Well done everyone thanks for your support :supz: :supz:



We have 658,322 Signatures at 1.00pm 5/2/07



Deadline to sign up by: 20 February 2007



http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/







Nick

[TinyLoc UK]

Its a load of rubbish this idea that 4x4 should pay more as we do anyway! we use more fuel so we pay more tax anyway!! this party has tried to say we are the green party and we will change things for the better! and with each idea and the heart of it is how much more money they can make!

I was going to go on a rant but whats the point just the more people sign this the better.

In france they have brought out a smoking ban in public. But its made no difference and when interviewed a french fella said "In france if we dont like a law we ignor it!!" If everyone refused to have these bloody things fitted they would have to dump it!

Hey Murph
Why don't you start your own, Stop Taxing 4x4's petittiion I will sign it

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/

Nick

[Misty]

so will I :supz:

[Habicht]

I have e-mailed everyone at work, so should hopefully have another 120 signatures by the end of the day.:D

[TinyLoc UK]

Thanks well done Habicht :supz: :supz:




http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/

[Hhaawwkkeerr]

I thought the Liberal Party was for the little guy?

Greg

Greg,
The Liberals are a little known political party that always comes third in any election.The present party in power is the " New Labour " party.They have tried to fool everyone into thinking that they are all touchy feely,and that they actually worry about the citizens of this island.That is all Bull of course!
You are correct in thinking that they have their roots in the factories and shipyards and coal mining towns.However after NINE years in power,it has become a case of "Bu##er the little man,I'll line my own pockets and look after number one"
PS - I am not a fan of Tony B-Liar!

[Misty]

Greg,
The Liberals are a little known political party that always comes third in any election.The present party in power is the " New Labour " party.They have tried to fool everyone into thinking that they are all touchy feely,and that they actually worry about the citizens of this island.That is all Bull of course!
You are correct in thinking that they have their roots in the factories and shipyards and coal mining towns.However after NINE years in power,it has become a case of "Bu##er the little man,I'll line my own pockets and look after number one"
PS - I am not a fan of Tony B-Liar!

is anyone:confused:

[StormHawker]

Tony Blairs Britain ,what a joke! 10 years of destroying this country and still in power.

[TinyLoc UK]

But did you sign it Garyi ?

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/


Signatures: 650,000 @ 7.50 pm 04/02/06


Signatures: 666,766 @ 7.14 pm 05/02/07

16,766 sig's in a day

well done keep signing the petition

Nick

[TinyLoc UK]

Deadline to sign up by: 20 February 2007 – Signatures: 706,057 @7.35 PM 6/02/07



http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/



well done keep signing the petition

Nick

[TinyLoc UK]

Deadline to sign up by: 20 February 2007 – Signatures: 789,201 @ 7.30pm 7/02/07


http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/



well done keep signing the petition

Nick
__________________

[Murph]

Lets all keep up the good work passing this to everyone we know!:supz:

[TinyLoc UK]

Lets all keep up the good work passing this to everyone we know!:supz:

Well said Murph :supz:



Deadline to sign up by: 20 February 2007 – Signatures: 875,584 @ 7.50 08/02/07

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/


Sorry to keep on guy's but it is important to stop this happening

Nick

[Misty]

those signatures are going up and up. fantastic
keep it up everyone :supz:

[Saker-Clive]

Submitted by Peter Roberts – Deadline to sign up by: 20 February 2007 – Signatures: 924,789

I've just signed.......................how many have several email accounts under different names?;-)

[TinyLoc UK]

Well done everyone and Clive :supz: :supz: Keep signing



Deadline to sign up by: 20 February 2007 – Signatures: 976,660 @ 6.52 09/02/07


http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/

[Hhaawwkkeerr]

I am quite happy to sign and will.However will it make any difference?If the present Government want to do it,who will stop them?.It is,after all,a great way of raising more cash.Look at the protest marches against hospitals being closed,fox hunting,et al,did that make any difference?
Surely the only way to change things is to change the Government! We must rid this country of the cancer that is Tony B-liar and his cronies.So please remember that come the next polling day.

I hate to say "I told you so"...........
But from what I hear this morning,despite the numbers signing(nearly 1 million)the Government are saying that they will ignore the petition and go ahead with their plans.So what next?
Don't bother writing to Bliar,he is on the way out and has no authority or control.
Use your power at the polling booth.

[TinyLoc UK]

hhaawwkkeerr

Please share with us all the source of your information

Nick

[Hhaawwkkeerr]

hhaawwkkeerr

Please share with us all the source of your information

Nick

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1250978,00.html
and also the Telegraph on line,bbc news web site.


According to The Times newspaper, the online poll received 92,000 signatures on Wednesday alone - thought to be a record for a day.

The paper says the Transport Secretary Douglas Alexander had agreed the number of signatries showed a strength of feeling among motorists.

But he said it would not deter him from commissioning large-scale road-pricing trials.

[TinyLoc UK]

Drivers Reject Road Levy
Updated: 18:03, Saturday February 10, 2007

More than one million motorists have signed an online petition objecting to nationwide congestion charges.

The huge numbers opposing plans to extend the scheme already running in London is particularly embarrassing to the Government - because it is posted on the No 10 website.

The petition calls on ministers to "scrap the vehicle tracking and road-pricing policy" and was intended as an experiment in internet democracy.

According to The Times newspaper, the online poll received 92,000 signatures on Wednesday alone - thought to be a record for a day.

The paper says the Transport Secretary Douglas Alexander had agreed the number of signatries showed a strength of feeling among motorists.

But he said it would not deter him from commissioning large-scale road-pricing trials.

No firm decision has yet been made on whether to introduce a national scheme, but Mr Alexander said regional trials would start in five years' time.


This just shows the contempt that the Goverment has for the man in the street
they have forgotten that we the people Voted them in and we will Vote them out !!

Deadline to sign up by: 20 February 2007 – Signatures: 1,040,325 10 Feb @ 7.42 pm

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/

Well Done Keep Signing they can't ignore us !

Nick

[Misty]

keep this thread in the forefront. everybody must sign and send the petition to all in their address book :supz:

[Jeremiah Johnson]

I wonder how seriously any thing can be taken when some one puts up a pettition asking the prime minister to stand on his head and juglle ice cream:)

[TinyLoc UK]

Jez if you have signed well done :supz: or do you agree with road pricing !

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/

Nick

[Jeremiah Johnson]

have registered but email at home (I am at work ) will sign it though

looked through some of the other petitions lot of anti hunting ones including one against flushing with dogs for BOP's

[TinyLoc UK]

Well done Jez :supz:

Please pass the link on.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/

Nick

[Hhaawwkkeerr]

Got this from the GMTV site.

It does contradict itself,with the first line saying "MPs are to revolt over plans............" But later in the same article it says;

"But ministers vowed to press ahead with their plan, insisting it would control congestion and cut greenhouse gases."


(C+P) Should the government scrap plans for a road charging scheme? Email us your thoughts
MPs are to revolt over plans for a spy-in-the-sky road tax as a petition calling for it to be scrapped has reached one million signatures.

Former Transport Minister John Spellar is poised to lead the battle to block the controversial scheme to use satellite technology to charge motorists for every mile they drive.

Petition attracts attention

The petition was started three months ago, posted on the Downing Street website, and has reached 1,038,657 signatures, making it one of the biggest displays of public protest in modern history.

Advert: article continues below ∨
But ministers vowed to press ahead with their plan, insisting it would control congestion and cut greenhouse gases.

Work will begin this year on pilot local schemes to charge motorists up to 1.28p a mile during the rush hour. If it is successful, a national scheme will follow.

Tax on urban life

Mr Spellar said that since the early schemes would affect people living in big cities, they would effectively become a tax on urban life.

"Urban areas will pay more, because the congestion charging will be in urban areas, while rural areas benefit," he said.

"It is very unlikely that hard-working families will welcome being heavily taxed for going to work, especially as they already pay the highest fuel duty in Europe.

End of quote.



So lets wait and see what rubbish they come up with today.

[Misty]

[QUOTE=hhaawwkkeerr;473591]

"It is very unlikely that hard-working families will welcome being heavily taxed for going to work, especially as they already pay the highest fuel duty in Europe.

End of quote.



Well, that's okay. Tony doesn't want us working anyway, isn't that why he pays everyone to have babies at 16, gives them a house and pays them to stay at home = it keeps people off the roads, they don't need to go to work:roll:

[Sprout]

[QUOTE=hhaawwkkeerr;473591]

"It is very unlikely that hard-working families will welcome being heavily taxed for going to work, especially as they already pay the highest fuel duty in Europe.

End of quote.



Well, that's okay. Tony doesn't want us working anyway, isn't that why he pays everyone to have babies at 16, gives them a house and pays them to stay at home = it keeps people off the roads, they don't need to go to work:roll:

Agree, says something when it pays to be unemployed and living off benefits. I work out of a PDSA centre - when I leave in the morning you should see the cars!! In the last week there has been a Hummer, a Bentley and several BMW's!!! These are people on council tax benefits as they are so poor they can't afford to pay the full amount!!!! Wonder if they'd get discount on the road charging scheme too????